We need your suggestions on a matter

[4-ever-young]

While discussing the matter of unbanning SoMe1 the topic came up about the way we should go about accpeting an apology is that the banned member should send an e-mail apologising for what he/she has done and promises not to do it again..


Stated clearly in the English Sabla RULES (http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=6201)

IF a Member is ban, he/she would not come back to the sabla Unless he/she mails the admin asking for unbaning and promising not to break any of the sabla Rules.


Some members feel that it is something that they wouldnt do...so we would like to know what u think would be fair and what would be the appropriate action a member would take to be unbanned??

[Najah]

Well This is unfair,
If members think that saying sorry and apologizing about something you did wrong is about self-esteem or something they cant do! then am sorry to say that a very weakness in the personality itself...
And IF you moderatores decided to unban Some1 then you otmatically should unban allllllllll the members that were been banned since sabla was created,Simply because noone is better then the other. Some1 did a mistake as well as poiliticman as well as the others so they should be treated equally! And i dont see any harm in saying sorrrrrry!!!!!!!!!!

And by the way if that will happen then please take that rule of the list and there will be no bunning nor no warnings! simply!

Who didnt like it......I dont care.....but as an opinion,It wont be fare if it took an action just with Some1!

The apropriate thing is to say simply that you wont do it again.And keep ur word!
p.s.

[4-ever-young]

Najah u got me wrong i was not talking about some1 situation in particular but in general is in ..for example if u were banned would u e-mail the admin and tell him you are sorry and wont do it again....or do u think it is not a fair thing to do...

I am only trying to get different ideas as to how to go about this...as some members say they if they were banned it would really be hard from them to apologise so i am trying to find out how many of u feel the same way..

This topic is nothing to do with SoMe1

[IceTea]

Ok this is my opinion:

1. A member get banned.
2. The member will be banned for a period of 1 to 3 months (we can agree on the period).
3. After above period over, Admin will unbanned the member automatically and send him email to notify him/her that he/she now unbanned and can join the sabla again.
4. The member account will be active for 1 or 2 months, if the member didn't participate during this period he/she will be banned again.
5. If the member wants to join again, he/she needs to send email to Admin to request for unbanned.

[4-ever-young]

T-Ice thank you for ur input..just one thing...about point no 4 The member account will be active for 1 or 2 months, if the member didn't participate during this period he/she will be banned again why will the member be banned again??

[IceTea]

Always-young :) u are welcome.

About point 4. The member will be banned again as a punishment cuz he/she didn't bother about the decision to unbanned him/her and instead the member ignore the +ve step taken to bring him/her back.

[4-ever-young]

then maybe that is a choice a members has after being banned..as to come back or not...it is not complusory to come back after being banned...!!

but let us see what the others think

[IceTea]

I agree its the member choice to come back or not but also this a banned member and we don't want to make the process that easy to avoide taking it as a practice and repeat it again and again.

Anyway lets see others opinion about it.

[Arabian Princess]

Personaly, I like Ice tea opinion. It sound offical. But lets see what other members think.

[IceTea]

Thanx AP and I hope this opinion gets full support from Admin and all members.

[X-press]

Originally posted by IceTea

4. The member account will be active for 1 or 2 months, if the member didn't participate during this period he/she will be banned again.

Good idea Icy in general. As for #4, I don't see the raison to ban again a member just because he doesn't participate. Once he or she is unbanned, it should remain this way.

Now, to make thing easier and to have everyone's input into this BANNING ISSUE,... what do you think of having an "ALL MEMBERS VOTES" via a Poll, so together we can decide if a particular member should or not be banned after a specific incident?

This is again, just a suggestion to make everyone happy and to be fair.

[Thug4Life]

well as usual ma Favorite Icy has his own nice ideas....However....Dont u guys notice that members didnt contribute to this...Nor they complained about the rules (except for one!)...I dont mean to say that its Not good or I dont care....BUT majority rule should be accounted here....to open a poll about it...is Good BUT we need them to contribute and formulate that rule with us...(IF they see its not fine!)...just like Icy did!....Other wise...I just see that we r bringing to our self un neccessary headache!....So I will watch and see....and I hope that ,more members will contribute to such an issue Other wise...I aint for it at all!

[Thug4Life]

by the way x press....sometimes we dont have time to wait for members approval about a ban or a warning u know that better than I do...what I mean that....I would go for members to evaluate a ban BUT not to Cause a ban!...through my experinace here I knew some members that played around and caused alot of trouble....We Should act fast....as for such....Am still to this:
Banning a member doesnt happen untill after giving that member many chances...notices...the rule says 3 warnings...BUT honestly we dont do that....we Give chances MOre than 3....we show patience.....But if a specific Important rule is violated (such as Offending The prophet or exposing other members personal information to the public without the agreement of that member...Do we need to negotiate with all the members about it????)....Think about this please....
Banning a member is very restricted and I dont think that members have a problem with such issue...BUT what I do think is that they had a problem (well 1 had a problem) with the e mail appology Thing....I Think this is something totaly different!...

[FaHaD]

actually ur idea ice tea is great, but don't u think teh period of 3 month is sufficient to lose a member ...it is long.

actually i will go to x-press idea but with some comments:
if any member desobeys teh rules, he/she gets a ban.. and then regarding unbann we take members vote which won't be by using poll so we know who voted.. to avoid new members votes who just enter to vote for their friend.

[Thug4Life]

and that can be done (fahad) only if members see its required....The floor will be open indeed....
But still we need more members opinion about this....
with alot of thanx to the above participants

[Orion]

Mods and their God-mentallity... whatever happened to human logic and reasoning, someone (and i mean anyone) apologized you let them back in... if they keep on doin it ban them perm.

Why the great debate?

[Thug4Life]

Originally posted by Orion
Mods and their God-mentallity... whatever happened to human logic and reasoning, someone (and i mean anyone) apologized you let them back in... if they keep on doin it ban them perm.

Why the great debate?
so u r against changing that rule?

[X-press]

My post here is only a suggestion, which doesn't have to be applicable.

Thugy, I do understand your opinion. As it seems some members don't come back to apologize to the Admin, it might be because they don't agree of the raison behind their ban.

I wanted, not only the moderators, but the members to give their opinion prior to an evident ban, even if it takes only one day. If we don't use a poll, we can also simply open a thread.

If the soon-to-be banned member read that (poll or) thread, he or she might accept that indeed a mistake was committed, and might more easily agree to apologize for it <----this goes back to the original topic of 4-eva thread here ;)

Let's hear what the other members think...

[IceTea]

Guys I can see that some of you like my proposals with minor exceptions, I have made some changes to the original proposal:

1. A member get banned **

2. The member will be banned for a period of 1 month.

3. After above period over, Admin will unbanned the member automatically and send him email to notify him/her that he/she now unbanned and can join the sabla again.

4. If same member banned again (2nd time), the period in point 2 will be 1.5 month and then point 3 will be followed as above.

5. If same member banned for the 3rd time his/her account will be deleted without warning.


** Ofcourse the banned will take place in either 2 cases:
1. After receiving 3 warnings.
2. After breaking major sabla rules.

What do you think about it, lets discuss it and give your comments.

[4-ever-young]

I thank you Tice to see so much from u here...though this was meant for all the memebrs to share thier ideas but i am disappointed that none have

[Dr N]

Well I find ice T's idea very logical, except for #4. The problem with apologizing to the admin might be because either the member is too embarassed to say something and so would prefer to just leave,or because this member still believes that he/she didn't do anything wrong to apologize for!
I don't agree though with taking the member's opinion in banning a member, this would only lead to chaos and you'll probably end up with nothing, except for members fighting over whether to ban a person or not, and I guess this is the moderators jobs and I believe that they can assess a situation and come up with the best solution.
The warnings before the ban are good, but why not contact the member and explain to him/her the mistake, discuss the issue, without making a big fuss about it.
So ice T's idea is good, otherwise, just stick to the old way!

[mimosa]

I think it's important to remember that moderators (voluntarily) help to run the Sabla.....they don't own it. This forum is made up of its members. But that's a separate issue.

As for banning members for 'bad' behaviour, the first criterion should really be that a member (or members) have complained. If there is no victim, there is no crime! If it's simply a matter of a moderator noticing something which appears to be inappropriate or against the spirit or rules of the Sabla, a private word should really be enough.....or even a warning.

But from time to time, a member will be so unco-operative and detrimental to the forum, that a ban is called for. In this case (and I can't believe I'm saying this lol), Ice Tea's proposal seems quite sensible. But I would adjust it slightly. A month's ban is a long time, and ever-longer bans do not make the point any more effectively. I would suggest that if someone is banned, then it is for a week or a fortnight or even a month, and as Teabag said, the ban is lifted after that time automatically: Grovelling to the Administrator doesn't really help anyone to 'see the error of their ways'. If someone has to be banned again after that, then perhaps it should be permanent (although anyone can come back if they want to, as long as they don't give their identity away!)