Nigerian Man to be stoned for rape of 9 year old

[Talius Brute]

Hmmmmmmm, this ones abit trickier




A Nigerian man is to be stoned to death after he refused to appeal against his conviction by an Islamic court of the rape of a nine-year-old girl.
An official in Jigawa state, Usman Dutse, speaking in an interview with the French news agency AFP, said that the man had confessed to the crime, and had refused an offer to allow him to appeal.

The official did not say when the sentence would be carried out.

He said that the governor of Jigawa, Ibrahim Turaki, would not intervene in the case.

The Nigerian federal government regards the application of Sharia law in 12 mainly Muslim states in Nigera as unconstitutional, but has so far not acted against its use.

No-one has yet been stoned to death in Nigeria under Sharia law.

[Wanderer]

How so?

This example clearly has a victim - a 9 year old girl.

[Talius Brute]

I mean I kind of agree with this punishment, but what does the Quran say about rape? Nothing as far as I can tell, but that doesn't mean that you can just make up your own laws, especially if all law must be from Allah.

[Wanderer]

You could stone them both, just in case SHE caused him to do it or ... in case she enjoyed it.

[Talius Brute]

Or just stone you instead.

[Syed]

Wanderer:- You could stone them both, just in case SHE caused him to do it or ... in case she enjoyed it.

Tell me something, DO U KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ISLAMIC JURISPUDANCE, or are U just shooting in the dark???

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by Syed
Tell me something, DO U KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ISLAMIC JURISPUDANCE, or are U just shooting in the dark???

There's a difference ?

[Syed]

Sone one once said... "A nod for a wise and a rod for a fool"... Now, don't we know which one U deserve???

I suggest before posting, you get your facts straightened out, don't post just for the heck of it..

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by Syed
Sone one once said... "A nod for a wise and a rod for a fool"... Now, don't we know which one U deserve???

I suggest before posting, you get your facts straightened out, don't post just for the heck of it..

Syed, you sound a bit effete.

Are you a sniveling, inbred, mongrel who relies on his mama to log him onto the computer? Just wondering, haha.

What I deserve? I suggest you offer your rod to a homo, I'm not the least bit interested in your "fool" rod.


Anything else ?

Oh, and stick to the subject. Let's have no more indiscriminate "rod" offerings to heteros.

[Syed]

Wanderer

I must say, you chose a nick that suits perfectly with the personality you have, a suggestion, you should have chosen the nick.. WANDERER mind for urself, that would have been better...

Now, thank you for all the compliments, and I am just amazed at ur intelect that in two or three posts, you found out how my MAMA logs in for me, now I should eb embaressed, RIGHT???

As for the Rod deal, perverted mind, like obviously ur's, could come up with this PERVERTED ROD joke.. When I used rod, I used it in the sense of a beating stick...

Now, you want to stick to the subject, fine with me, but, mind U, I would not tolarate any humor towards my Religion...

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Originally posted by Syed
Tell me something, DO U KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ISLAMIC JURISPUDANCE, or are U just shooting in the dark???
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There's a difference ?

If you, in your immature mind can not debate on a serious note, I suggest you move onto some kids channel, other wise STAY SERIOUS and debate..

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by Syed
Wanderer

Now, you want to stick to the subject, fine with me, but, mind U, I would not tolarate any humor towards my Religion...



I'm so happy that it's fine with you, but no one cares what you will tolerate. Are you someone important ? Ask me if I care.


There is NO single entity called Islamic jurisprudence

"ISLAMIC JURISPRUDENCE

The jurisprudence of the Sunnis differs from that of the Shi'ites even in the fundamentals upon which the law is based. Yet unless and until the fundamentals are understood and endorsed by both parties, and until there is a favorable response to this from the religious institutions of both sides, it would be useless to waste time dealing with issues of a minor or secondary nature.
In fact, it is not merely in the fundamentals of jurisprudence that there are differences, but also, and more importantly, in the fun- damental articles of faith of each party, even in their deepest roots and origins."

Shi'ism: An Exposition and Refutation of the Sources... - 21 JUL 95


So why don't you add to the discussion in some manner other than your chest beating, cause i'm not impressed.

[Syed]

Well, I am happy to see that for the first time, you have raised a good point... I can only wish you had raised this point earlier...

As far as proving my point in a Cheast Beating way, I never intended to do that, and never would want to do it... But calling my self a muslim, I think its my right to stop any one from making humor out of a topic, which is a sensative topic to me...

Now regarding this issue, as in another post, I have mentioned an event that took place... I would copy it over here for you

Six persons, accused of adultery, were produced before the then caliph, Umar bin Khattab. At once he sentenced them to flogging, each of them with a hundred stripes. When Ali pointed out to him that his judgement was in contravention of the divine law, Umar requested him to give his own judgement.
Ali said:
Execute the first.
Stone to death the second.
Punish the third with a hundred stripes.
Punish the fourth with fifty stripes. Warn the fifth and set him free.
Set the sixth free without any penalty.
All wondered as to why Ali gave a different verdict for each of the 6 persons tried for the same crime.
Ali explained:
The first is a dhimmi, a disbeliever under the protection of the Muslim state, who committed the crime of adultery with a believing woman, and having violated the law of Islam has ceased to be a dhimmi, therefore he must be executed.
The second is a married man whose punishment is stoning to death.
The third is to be flogged with a hundred stripes because he is a bachelor.
The fourth is a slave, so fifty stripes is his punishment .
The fifth has only been warned because he was caught in the crime inadvertently.
The sixth is insane, so the law cannot be applied on him.
Then Umar said:
"Had there not been Ali, Umar would have perished."

Now you answer me, Is Imam Ali (A.S) not the city of the gate of Prophets' (P.B.U.H&F) knowledge.... If Hadrath Umar can accept his verdict, then there should be no issue of ruling in this case between Shia and Sunni...

[Wanderer]

What about the other 6 adulterers, what happened to them ?

Or was this 3 goups of 2, or 2 groups of 3 adulterers ?

Why would Allah in His mercy permit a slave to be punished for a crime over which, he (the slave) by the very nature of his position is society as an unwilling servant, had questionable control over ?

That is, what if an Islamic woman forced her slave man to be with her ? Is not his duty to obey his master as it is your duty to obey your Sultan/Prince/King ?

[Syed]

Are you serious???? What are you talking about??? Did you even read the incidence, or just read the first two and last two lines???

"What about the other 6 adulterers, what happened to them ?

Or was this 3 goups of 2, or 2 groups of 3 adulterers ?"

READ THE INCIDENCE... ITS TALKING ABOUT SIX PEOPLE, NOT 12..


"Why would Allah in His mercy permit a slave to be punished for a crime over which, he (the slave) by the very nature of his position is society as an unwilling servant, had questionable control over ?

That is, what if an Islamic woman forced her slave man to be with her ? Is not his duty to obey his master as it is your duty to obey your Sultan/Prince/King ?"

Now bud, I suppose its time you reserch about Islam.. Islam tells you to, with respect, deny your parents if they ask you to do something which is considered illegal in Islam.. Now remember, I said "WITH RESPECT" towards your parents....

Another example: According to your theory, Hazrat Bilal Habashi (RA) made a big mistake by defying his masters and accepting Islam?? Is that right??

Another example: I do not remember the refrence, but I have heard that Hazrat Abu Bakr told people that if I do something wrong, you can any time come and correct me.. SO now answer me, if the calip can be corrected and help responsible for his decission, why can't a slave...

I suggest you get your facts straightened out about Islam... Its a beautiful religion, but at the same time its a very logical religion.. Once you would start researching about it,, you would realise how lucky you are to be muslim, and that is when you become a real muslim... I am not saying that I am a scholar, I would not even call myself a very learned person, but I am making an effort to understand Islam... If you need anyhelp, I would be more than honoured to provide help in anyway possible..

Peace be onto you..

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by Syed
Are you serious???? What are you talking about??? Did you even read the incidence, or just read the first two and last two lines???

READ THE INCIDENCE... ITS TALKING ABOUT SIX PEOPLE, NOT 12..



You read it. It's talking about 6 men. I was hoping that there'd also be 6 women too, otherwise you're talking about homosexual stuff again. That's kinda freaking me out.



Thank you for your offer of help to understand Islam. That is kind of you. I am not a very good candidate for conversion, but I do enjoy learning.

[shamsery]

Mr. Wanderer,
If a lady is raped by man and during the prosecution the man found guilty, naturally he will be punished. Do you expect that the unfortunate lady should be punished too?