translations

[Mr Tickle]

Is it fair to say that 20 professional translators would probably come up with a number of different versions if they all looked at the same Arabic text?

ie marginally different words or phrases?

[Talius Brute]

sounds fair to me.

[Orion]

ditto

[Mr Tickle]

I assume it is also fair to say that we can apply the same point to the exact meaning in modern English of ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek words?

[Talius Brute]

I dunno, it's all getting a bit complicated now, isn't it.

Sounds fair enough though.

have you been employing teams of translators and are unhappy with their work?

[Orion]

I have a sneaky suspicion I know where you're going with this Mr P...

[Mr Tickle]

I am seeking to enlighten our friends as to why there are different translations of the Bible

To find the exact meaning in modern English of the ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek terms, phrases, and sentences is very challenging. Sometimes the original words have no exact counterpart in English, so several English words may be required to reproduce the precise meaning. And English is constantly changing, as some of our words take on new meanings. For example, the word "gay" means something quite different today than it meant fifty years ago.

This helps to explain why there is so much variation in the English translations. English is, after all, not a fixed, dead language. It is alive and constantly changing.

[Orion]

Originally posted by mr pinnochio
I am seeking to enlighten our friends as to why there are different translations of the Bible...


Knew it... just knew it.

[Mr Tickle]

in the same way as there are different translations of the Koran

[Arabian Princess]

Exactly Mr Pino, you said it "translations of the Quran".

BUt the Quran in Arabic is the original one, people refer to it when they need guidence and if any translation meant something different from the orginal text in Quran, then it shouldnt be used.

Plus, the interpretation of the Quran came from teh prophet himself. He gudied his followers what certain verses refer to and what they mean.

[Mr Tickle]

the prophet did not order a book be made of all his sayings

the revelations were given to him over a 20 year period

it wasn't until many years after his death that the first Koran was created

this leaves a lot of room for error

there are many different interpretations by Islamic scholars today

[Talius Brute]

How can someone guide something that is written 20 years after their death?

[Mr Tickle]

the hadiths (or traditions or guides) were written about up to 200 years later

[Talius Brute]

really, astonishing, so they are just later interpretations intended to politicise Islam?

[Mr Tickle]

indeed

the interpretation of the hadiths and the decision as to which were real or not was made by man

under no divine guidance

[Talius Brute]

shun the word that is false

[Arabian Princess]

Nice, So Scholar Shiekh Mr Pino and TB agreed that the hadith and Quran and two things that are not be used because they were written years after prophet MOhammed Death.

mmm Intresting. But, you forgot that who are the ones that wrote them? people like you who lived 1400 years after the prophet?
The Quran was memorised and also written in the skin of animals. It was not lost as you might wish. It was well preserved and we see it in every verse we read everyday.
who are you to come with such a conclusion? you did not even read the Quran or its translation. You do not like to listen to muslims telling you about thier religion but you choose to hear about Islam from non-muslims. How would you expect to see the truth then?

[FaHaD]

Remember also we muslim pray five time per day.. and in each prayer there rak3aat ( don’t know how to translate it) and in each rak’aa we read holy quraan….
I pray 42 rak’aa everyday ( fardh, sunna, nawafel and water) and imagine people in the past who lived with prophet read the holy quraan in their prayers and which increases during the holy month of ramdhaan… would not they be ale to emorize it..
Plus when they collected the holy quraan , they did not take it from one person tongue but after agreement of many people…
And by the way arab where known to poems , and these pomes were there before and before the prophet mohammed life,, and these poems are in our hand now ,, why cos they were talent in poems and they memorize it and transfer it to one generation to another …

But really it is funny to see mr.pinnc post and support from TB after it…. Well done guys u r funny..

[Talius Brute]

Who wrote the hadiths?