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Black Lolly
27-07-10, 07:27 PM
Create people who won't obey him??
Beetlejuice
27-07-10, 07:29 PM
so people like you could question him
Black Lolly
27-07-10, 07:30 PM
^ Aha? and why would he want that? :S For your info I don't question god :) I just wana know
Lacrymosa
27-07-10, 07:55 PM
He created people and gave them minds to know right from wrong.
Black Lolly
27-07-10, 07:58 PM
But why create people who will end up in hell :S why aren't we all muslims and good people?
(And again I'm not doubting God one bit! But I'm just curious I'm sure there's a reason)
Because God created heaven and hell and gave humans free will in their actions, so humans will decide whether to obey God or not. Since this life is just a test, while death is a resting time (or punishment according to Islam), and then the Judgement Day will come and we will either go to heaven or hell based on our actions. So there wouldn't be a reason of life if there aren't people who don't obey god, if that's how you look at it. God gave us a mind to think, and the rest is up to us.
death rose
27-07-10, 08:14 PM
so people like you could question him
thats not called questioning him smarty pants:p
she just wants to know more about god and the purpose of our living..
i agree with assim
so people would choose,would use their minds,and pick a path for them,for the judgment day,to see who follows and who doesnt
for people to live and know that there is a point of living and feel they have the right to choose
in the end good and bad people wont be treated equaly
Lacrymosa
27-07-10, 08:21 PM
But why create people who will end up in hell :S why aren't we all muslims and good people?
(And again I'm not doubting God one bit! But I'm just curious I'm sure there's a reason)
We all think of this in some time of our lives and that makes me thank God that I'm a person who obeys Him. :p
Threadlike
27-07-10, 08:25 PM
That's a terribly deep question and a very fascinating one. The question of free-will is such a confusing labyrinth that I had promised myself earlier I won't delve into it soon unless I'm well-read on the subject.
But the deeper question isn't why God created people who won't worship Him, it's why He gave anyone the ability to disobey Him? God clearly KNEW Satan would disobey Him.
From what Jeff had posted earlier on Christian theology, Christianity sort of cleans all this seeming mess up by saying that God did not intend for evil to be in the world at all.
Islamic ideas, however, indicates that God somehow wanted the world to be different from the Hereafter. To be dominated by both good and evil. To test His creatures. The next question is, 'But why does He want to test us in the first place?'...At this point we're not asking reasons but the reasons behind the reasons which I frankly don't think anyone is capable of answering. Is that a painful mystery we have to live with? One can deal with it that way. But I think it is, more than all, a motive to live rather than a reason of mental torture.
ToomuchaT
27-07-10, 08:53 PM
Create people who won't obey him??
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.. Think about it.. will it make a difference to god if he created only good people who obey him?.. and will it make a difference to god if he did not creat people from the first place??
[57] I seek not any provision from them nor do I ask that they should feed Me.
It's Allah's wisdom that predetermined that he creates the good and the evil.. the poor and the rich.. the sick and the healthy.. the whole creation was for a reason:
[16] We created not the heavens and the earth and all that is between them for a (mere) play.
[115] "Did you think that We had created you in play (without any purpose), and that you would not be brought back to Us?"
.. and god can destroy the evil people and replace them with better ones
[28] It is We Who created them, and We have made them of strong built. And when We will, We can replace them with others like them with a complete replacement.
Monkiette
27-07-10, 09:15 PM
I like this topic. I often pondered this question over and over again as a child. Why aren't we all Muslim? Why don't we all go to Heaven? Why does poverty exist? Why did God create people who suffer in the world?
God gave us the gift of Free will. Thats why we humans are blessed above God's other creatures such as angels etc. Because we are given the chance to obey, and are given the chance to think and pick the right path for ourselves.
I'v always been wondering why :think:
tycoone
27-07-10, 09:29 PM
To teach people how to forgive, how to ask for forgiveness, to thank God after the man has disobeyed God and has fallen in trouble and GOD saves him/her.........
Alex Belucci
27-07-10, 09:42 PM
Okay another question:
Why did God create humanity and life?
Probably its not 'The Sims'.
Mudrich
27-07-10, 11:36 PM
He created us to test us and see if will obey or not.
Its like a test, You pass or fail. =D
Inshallah kelkum will pass =)
I'v always been wondering why :think:
Same here. :cool:
Qutub AV
27-07-10, 11:46 PM
God never created them..!
Its they themselves who willed a way to not respect God..
And moreover,there's always a black sheep in every herd..
So,in this global herd,you can easily spot the black sheep!
I'v always been wondering why :think:
God wanted us to wonder about it, and when you wonder, it sometimes makes you forget about the world and reminds you about our sole purpose of living; obeying God and performing our duties as Muslims which will hopefully send us to heaven.
LORDMUS
28-07-10, 12:08 AM
That's a terribly deep question and a very fascinating one. The question of free-will is such a confusing labyrinth that I had promised myself earlier I won't delve into it soon unless I'm well-read on the subject.
But the deeper question isn't why God created people who won't worship Him, it's why He gave anyone the ability to disobey Him? God clearly KNEW Satan would disobey Him.
From what Jeff had posted earlier on Christian theology, Christianity sort of cleans all this seeming mess up by saying that God did not intend for evil to be in the world at all.
Islamic ideas, however, indicates that God somehow wanted the world to be different from the Hereafter. To be dominated by both good and evil. To test His creatures. The next question is, 'But why does He want to test us in the first place?'...At this point we're not asking reasons but the reasons behind the reasons which I frankly don't think anyone is capable of answering. Is that a painful mystery we have to live with? One can deal with it that way. But I think it is, more than all, a motive to live rather than a reason of mental torture.
There also is the knowledge of Unseen aka "Ilm al ghaybi" which Allah tells us in the Quran =)
Hence we don't think over it.
We humans always think of ourselves to be the perfect or maybe only perfect creation of God/Allah hence keeping asking of ourself but there is a deeper meaning to it.Here check this verse out:
"The creation of the Heavens and the Earth is indeed greater then the creation of mankind; yet, most of mankind know not." [Surah Ghafir, verse 57]
So if one were to think? then that would be "why did god create" ?
"We have inspired each and every soul to an awareness of corruption and righteousness".
AND
"Allah created some people for hell and some people for paradise.
Now the above ^ statement is hard for some to swallow.This makes them say "then why do good deeds when Allah/god has decreed/decided people of hell/heaven....
The reply PBUH gave was:
"Each one of you will find it easy to do what he was created for"....
Ultimate decision is yours:You do evil = hell/ Allah's pen scribes over the book of "Sijin".
This particular topic excites me.. got any further queries.Let me know! =)
Innocent
28-07-10, 12:12 AM
To test the ones around them & it shows how faithful a person is. Hmm.
Lacrymosa
28-07-10, 12:21 AM
He created us to test us and see if will obey or not.
Its like a test, You pass or fail. =D
Inshallah kelkum will pass =)
And life is like a video game. You should score as much as you can. :p:hyper:
I ask myself that question too, sometimes.. why create humans who will cause damage to life and also above that, end up suffering in hell for eternity..
But the way I look at it is, just the fact that we are human.. just the fact that we are alive.. is a blessing we should spend our lives thankful for..
and just the fact that god had created this entire universe under our feet, and these other creatures from animals and plants he created that are for our own living and needs.. the water, the oxygen.. the way our bodies function.. all of it..
The least we humans can do is obey our god..
Every human being is born naturally with an instinct to obey god and do his\her purpose in life.. and this religion is not just a test for us.. this religion is a system for our life aswell.. every rule in it is for our own good.. its for us mankind to live peacfully among each other and have a healthy relationship with the world around us, with ourselves, and with god.. to know our bigger purpose in life..
and in the end god chose us between all creatures.. god gave us brains to think..
So I think, if there are humans that arent grateful for these blessings.. the blessing of living.. they don't wanna obey god and they don't beleive in god even when all the signs are clear infront of them... even when there's a religion to guide them, even when there were messengers teaching us about Islam.. when this religion itself is made for us and for our own good... Then God says they deserve to be punished..
If you do good you go to heaven, and if you bad.. you go to hell...
and that's as far as we humans can know..
fakhirr
28-07-10, 02:56 AM
GOD almighty test us to see if we will stay faithful weather we will believe it or leave it in the hard conditions,
Jihad4Truth
28-07-10, 06:07 AM
Why does God want humans to obey him?
Why would God care what a bunch of dumb humans do?
And why does God want humans to worship him?
Doesn't he get bored of that?
Why does God want humans to obey him?
Why would God care what a bunch of dumb humans do?
And why does God want humans to worship him?
Doesn't he get bored of that?
And what will happen then if we answer your questions, will you agree with it or you are just good in asking questions and rejecting the answers?
Do you ever read what other members posted above, did you read ToomuchaT reply and did you concentrate on verses 16 & 115 that he quoted?
Create people who won't obey him??
‘Every new-born child is born in a state of fitrah. Then his parents make him a Jew, a Christian or a Magian, just as an animal is born intact. Do you observe any among them that are maimed (at birth)?’
Jihad4Truth
28-07-10, 08:30 AM
And what will happen then if we answer your questions, will you agree with it or you are just good in asking questions and rejecting the answers?
Do you ever read what other members posted above, did you read ToomuchaT reply and did you concentrate on verses 16 & 115 that he quoted?
Consider them rhetorical questions.
And yes I read TooMuch's response.
.. Think about it.. will it make a difference to god if he created only good people who obey him?.. and will it make a difference to god if he did not creat people from the first place??
That's what I am saying.
Why does God even care what we do?
Are you trying to tell me he loves some of his creatures more than others?
Why does God even care what we do?
What you do if for your own benifit in the hereafter, life is like exam don't you study hard to pass and acheive your goals. It is same concept.
If you want to enter heaven you have to obey your creator, there are two roads infront of you, depends on you which you choose the straight one that leads to heaven or the twisted on that leads to the other destination.
Just like the rest said, god created everything for a purpose, some which is known to everyone, and some which is not known except to him " The unknown" Al Ghaib"
We can't all of us be good, than why creat hell and heaven, might as well just creat heaven.
God created us and gave us the right to make our own choices. What you do on earth and all the choices you take here on earth, will only get displayed in the after life. If you did good or bad, you will only know from a book which is being written down every single thing you do!
Allah tell us in this Verse: " He says: {And I (Allah) created not the Jinns and the humans except they will worship Me.} [51:56]
So as you see we were created by allah SW to worship him.
Jihad4Truth
28-07-10, 09:32 PM
What you do if for your own benifit in the hereafter, life is like exam don't you study hard to pass and acheive your goals. It is same concept.
If you want to enter heaven you have to obey your creator, there are two roads infront of you, depends on you which you choose the straight one that leads to heaven or the twisted on that leads to the other destination.
But if all you have to do is believe in God to get to heaven, then why do Muslims consider non-Muslims to go to hell?
And don't you consider everyone to be Muslim anyways?
Or did I misunderstand something?
LORDMUS
28-07-10, 11:41 PM
But if all you have to do is believe in God to get to heaven, then why do Muslims consider non-Muslims to go to hell?
And don't you consider everyone to be Muslim anyways?
Or did I misunderstand something?
What do you mean by Non-Muslims? We don't, we just generalize.I don't know of my end but I strive to keep my faith bold.
We believe in Allah but does that guarantee us a free ride to heaven?
No.
Muslims/Non-Muslims both are held accountable for their "deeds" nobody gets free ride to heaven only if God wills and is all UP TO him.
I sin, I get my heels on flame.
For Muslims (By which I mean those whose faith is of stone will go to heaven) it's subject to their deeds,they could be held in hell for a period.Same goes for those who kept the belief in "One god" this applies to those who were mis-represented to Islam or were in an awkward situation where there was no medium to gather info. On Islam. i.e staying the state of "fitrah" human naturw which according to the only version of Quran is: Belief in one GOD.
I am glad over this ^ post of yours.Here let me add some value to this post of mine :)
Hadith Qudsi 6:
On the authority of Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) say:
The first of people against whom judgment will be pronounced on the Day of Resurrection will be a man who died a martyr. He will be brought and Allah will make known to him His favours and he will recognize them. [ The Almighty] will say: And what did you do about them? He will say: I fought for you until I died a martyr. He will say: You have lied - you did but fight that it might be said [of you]: He is courageous. And so it was said. Then he will be ordered to be dragged along on his face until he is cast into Hell-fire. [Another] will be a man who has studied [religious] knowledge and has taught it and who used to recite the Quran. He will be brought and Allah will make known to his His favours and he will recognize them. [The Almighty] will say: And what did you do about them? He will say: I studied [religious] knowledge and I taught it and I recited the Quran for Your sake. He will say: You have lied - you did but study [religious] knowledge that it might be said [of you]: He is learned. And you recited the Quran that it might be said [of you]: He is a reciter. And so it was said. Then he will be ordered to be dragged along on his face until he is cast into Hell-fire. [Another] will be a man whom Allah had made rich and to whom He had given all kinds of wealth. He will be brought and Allah will make known to his His favours and he will recognize them. [The Almighty] will say: And what did you do about them? He will say: I left no path [untrodden] in which You like money to be spent without spending in it for Your sake. He will say: You have lied - you did but do so that it might be said [of you]: He is open-handed. And so it was said. Then he will be ordered to be dragged along on his face until he is cast into Hell-fire.
It was related by Muslim (also by at-Tirmidhi and an-Nasa'i).
It's what within the heart which God values....
But if all you have to do is believe in God to get to heaven, then why do Muslims consider non-Muslims to go to hell?
And don't you consider everyone to be Muslim anyways?
Or did I misunderstand something?
No, not everyone is a Muslim, thats at birth but after that people change and some believe in God (but have twisted ideas about God so they are not a true believers) and some don't even believe in God, etc.
Since Prophet Mohammed PBUH is a universal messenger for all mankind, today everyone should believe in him and also believe in the final scripture from God if they want to be saved from hell.
What do you understand from this verses?
They do blaspheme who say: "(Allah) is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.
73. They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.
74. Why turn they not to Allah, and seek His forgiveness? For Allah is Oft- forgiving, Most Merciful.
75. Christ the son of Mary was no more than an apostle; many were the apostles that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!
76. Say: "Will ye worship, besides Allah, something which hath no power either to harm or benefit you? But Allah,- He it is that heareth and knoweth all things."
77. Say: "O people of the Book! exceed not in your religion the bounds (of what is proper), trespassing beyond the truth, nor follow the vain desires of people who went wrong in times gone by,- who misled many, and strayed (themselves) from the even way.
But if all you have to do is believe in God to get to heaven, then why do Muslims consider non-Muslims to go to hell?
And don't you consider everyone to be Muslim anyways?
Or did I misunderstand something?
The prophet hadith said: “The Prophet (PBUH) reported that Allah said, "I created my servants in the right religion but devils made them go astray". The Prophet (PBUH) also said, "Each child is born in a state of "Fitrah", then his parents make him a Jew, Christian or a Zoroastrian, the way animal gives birth to a normal offspring. Have you noticed any that were born mutilated?" (Collected by Al-Bukhaaree and Muslim)”
We are all born Muslims with no doubt. And as it has been said in previous threads, the word Muslim by its own, it means u believing that there is only ONE god!
But there is a Completion to that, as in, if you were to be COME a Muslim, and your religion is Islam, than you have to pronounce the Shahada “The majority of Muslims accept as a Muslim anyone who has publicly pronounced the Shahadah (declaration of faith) which states, Ash-hadu an laa ilaha illa-lah Wa ash-hadu anna Muhammadan rasulullah
"I bear witness there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and I bear witness, Muhammad is His messenger".
In Soorah Al-A'raaf, Verses 172-173; Allah explained that when He created Adam, He caused all of Adam's descendants to come into existence and took a pledge from them saying, Am I not your Lord? To which they all replied, " Yes, we testify to It:'
Allah then explained why He had all of mankind bear witness that He is their creator and only true God worthy of worship. He said, "That was In case you (mankind) should say on the day of Resurrection, "Verily we were unaware of all this." That is to say, we had no idea that You Allah, were our God. No one told us that we were only supposed to worship You alone. Allah went on to explain that it was also In case you should say, "Certainly It was our ancestors who made partners (With Allah) and we are only their descendants; will You then destroy us for what those liars did?" Thus, every child is born with a natural belief in Allah and an inborn inclination to worship Him alone called in Arabic the "Fitrah".
Here we need to understand who a Muslim is. A Muslim is a person who submits to God. It is not the name of a caste or race. That is to say, any human can be a Muslim if:
(1) One is to believe in one and only one God.
(2) One should lead a good life by submitting to that one God.
A non-Muslim, by definition, is a person who does not recognize God as a Sovereign Law giver Who rewards the good and punishes the bad. For this reason, he has no claim to any reward from God. He may be doing apparently good deeds; but his good deeds are not based on seeking to do God's will. So they can only get the instrumentally good results that they can naturally have in this world, and not the reward of the other world which can only come from morally good acts.
As for Muslims, who apparently hold the right beliefs - they will get the Divine reward only if they lead good lives derived from the right beliefs. Islam, unlike Christianity, does not teach that faith alone can save a person. Both faith and exerting effort are necessary; they are the two sides of the same coin.
Bottom line is:
To be a Muslim has always meant to accept Muhammad as the Messenger of God which in turn has always meant accepting the Qur`an as the word of God.
Superbia
29-07-10, 08:56 AM
I have no idea. Now that you've brought it up, it really does make me wonder. Hmm :think:
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