Hijab, Niqab or nothing?

[blue-bling]

I saw this video and I was in a shock!!! :O

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXzUuKdfnRE

[Lacrymosa]

Sonia's point was very weak! :dev:

[blue-bling]

She doesn't make any sence:os

which of the three do you go with?

[Lacrymosa]

I honestly go with Sumayyah more. Hijab is the best. Niqab is good but not important. It's a personal choice anyway. You can do it, and you can do it not. I guess as you wear the hijab, niqab is not really needed because you have fulfilled the requirement and that's it.

[Miss Twix]

Gosh..! they would do anything just to show how arabs are insane!
anyways what sonia said is unbelievable! doesnt she believe what is in Quraan?

[E-Sensation]

Wearing Niqab and hijab was always and forever will be controversial.. And the way most people will look at it will often be negative. They think it brings muslim women to depression and what not. Just like what the pakistani woman said in the video, that covering all your face would create a barrier or boundaries to the people around you.

The truth is, Islam orders women to wear the veil and that is not a personal choice. But some of the women today (Allah yhdehom) don't read what is stated in the Qur'an. Women have to cover theirselves and this was agreed by all mathaheb in Islam.

Allah swt says:

"يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلنَّبِىُّ قُل لِّأَزۡوَٲجِكَ وَبَنَاتِكَ وَنِسَآءِ ٱلۡمُؤۡمِنِينَ يُدۡنِينَ عَلَيۡہِنَّ مِن جَلَـٰبِيبِهِنَّۚ ذَلِكَ أَدۡنَىٰٓ أَن يُعۡرَفۡنَ فَلَا يُؤۡذَيۡنَۗ وَكَانَ ٱللَّهُ غَفُورً۬ا رَّحِيمً۬ا"

"O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies. That will be better, that they should be known so as not to be annoyed." Al-Ahzab 59

So, when you see a muslim woman wearing her vail or covering her face, she is doing what Allah swt ordered her to do and that on its own is enough reason.

[black N white]

this was an Act to my opinion .... just to brain wash arabs idea and thoughts about islam !!

its a really wrong image about Islam :dev: La 7awla wala 8uwata ila bi allah

[Aba_Thar]

Wearing Niqab and hijab was always and forever will be controversial.. And the way most people will look at it will often be negative. They think it brings muslim women to depression and what not. Just like what the pakistani woman said in the video, that covering all your face would create a barrier or boundaries to the people around you.

The truth is, Islam orders women to wear the veil and that is not a personal choice. But some of the women today (Allah yhdehom) don't read what is stated in the Qur'an. Women have to cover theirselves and this was agreed by all mathaheb in Islam.

Allah swt says:

"يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلنَّبِىُّ قُل لِّأَزۡوَٲجِكَ وَبَنَاتِكَ وَنِسَآءِ ٱلۡمُؤۡمِنِينَ يُدۡنِينَ عَلَيۡہِنَّ مِن جَلَـٰبِيبِهِنَّۚ ذَلِكَ أَدۡنَىٰٓ أَن يُعۡرَفۡنَ فَلَا يُؤۡذَيۡنَۗ وَكَانَ ٱللَّهُ غَفُورً۬ا رَّحِيمً۬ا"

"O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies. That will be better, that they should be known so as not to be annoyed." Al-Ahzab 59

So, when you see a muslim woman wearing her vail or covering her face, she is doing what Allah swt ordered her to do and that on its own is enough reason.

I'd also like to add that in the 3rd minute of the video as what I understood that Sonia said that the Hijab isnt clearly stated in the Quran, which shows that she didnt make an effort to understand some of the Qurans verse regarding the Hijab such as Surat Al Nisa2, and lets say it wasnt mentioned on details, there is a clear verse in the Quran in Surat Al Hashr verse 7 that says: So take what the Messenger assigns to you, and deny yourselves that which he withholds from you. And fear Allah; for Allah is strict in Punishment.


For Example we have taken that the dhuhur prayers is four rak3a from the Prophet SAAWW sayings and not the Quran, but originally its from Quran because of the mentioned above verse. Moreover there are narrations which states in details what should be covered and what isnt necessary, which all muslims from all sects agree on.

[Mimi]

^ where is it stated in the Sunna? just asking. just wanna understand!

[Breathless]

People are tending to gossip about the basics of Islam lately.
If you don't wanna wear Hijab or Neqab, fiiine. That's your choice but don't deny that Islam has stated these practices just because you don't like them!

That is what I call Ignorance in its worst forms.

[black N white]

^ 100000% agreed ..well said wallah !!
these ppl are living in denial :dev:

[Mimi]

People are tending to gossip about the basics of Islam lately.
If you don't wanna wear Hijab or Neqab, fiiine. That's your choice but don't deny that Islam has stated these practices just because you don't like them!

That is what I call Ignorance in its worst forms.

I don't want to be rude and call that ignorance. I'll just call that you just don't care. Others care, so you think it's ignorance because you haven'y thought of it before.

we know what the basics of Islam are and the girls in the vid do. and who said we're discussinng that because we don't like hijab??????????? who said it???

Respect, please.

And why do you people like to talk about it like sth concerning one person in particular??? why make it personal??? walla!

[IceTea]

Wearing the hijab conisdered one of the basics of Islam related to Muslim women dress code.

PS: Isn't the girl wearing the niqab is Omani? maybe from Salalah too!

[Mimi]

..........ok edited......... i don't get it anyway.. strange world!

[Tinta]

In my point of view, Niqab is totally not important, people would accept you for who you are by just wearing Hijab... On the other hand, Niqab is just going to draw attention towards you.

[blue-bling]

Hijab is a must no matter what happens!! The Prophet said himself"Ina al mar2a itha bala'3at al ma7eeth la yura minha ila hatha wa hatha wa 2ashara ela waghihi wa kafayh" Which means that when the girl reaches puberty she should cover everything but her face and hands!!

On the other hand niqab is for those who are afraid that people might envy them or it's a tradition for them.

[Mimi]

Hijab is a must no matter what happens!! The Prophet said himself"Ina al mar2a itha bala'3at al ma7eeth la yura minha ila hatha wa hatha wa 2ashara ela waghihi wa kafayh" Which means that when the girl reaches puberty she should cover everything but her face and hands!!


Maybe it was ra2sihi (his head) not wajhihi (his face) lol:p, but really, sub7aan Allah, it's not clearly stated here.

[Aba_Thar]

^ where is it stated in the Sunna? just asking. just wanna understand!

In sunni books for example u can find narration related to this issue in Sunan Al Kubra Book for Al Bayhaqi (Ofcourse there are many, this is just an example)

In Shia books for example in Al Kafi Book narrations regarding hijab issue can be found.

Other way to find is the book of Tafseer (explaining the verse of Quran), explaining the verse of Surat Al Noor verse No. 31.

If you want the narration it self there are many.

[Breathless]

kokoronowoto and others

If you really care why don't you refer to the trusted Islamic books and the od Islamic schoolars fatawas!! or at least bring a qoute from Qur'an or Sunna that says Hijab isn't from Islam!!

I personally have more respect to a Muslima who believes in Hijab as a tashree3 from God and yet admits that she's so tempted to not do it, more than the respect I have for a Muslima who denies the whole Hijab thing just to justify her actions (not wearing it).

This no place for personal openions .. This is a religion.

[Mimi]

If you really care why don't you refer to the trusted Islamic books and the od Islamic schoolars fatawas!! or at least bring a qoute from Qur'an or Sunna that says Hijab isn't from Islam!!


you want evidence in other words. we don't have evidence other than the fact that the hadiths and verses used to be evidence for hijab as an Islamic thing don't make much sense. as simple as that.

maybe some people dont understand why some others think it's not Islamic. no I mean this is obvious. i'm gonna see the sources abu thar mentioned anyway. Thanks.





This no place for personal openions .. This is a religion.

There is, 3azeezati.

[black N white]

There is, 3azeezati.

no technically there isn't when it comes to discussing religion stuff :)

[Mimi]

no technically there isn't when it comes to discussing religion stuff :)

Hi sweetie. we are not to have personal opinions in 3aqeeda but for fiqh yes to some extent and controversial things like hijab... i guess.

[IceTea]

It is only controversial thing for those who want to follow their own desires.

[black N white]

^ True :o 5ala9 you said it all in only one sentence !!

[Innocent]

The whole indecent I went through during Phet made me realize how short life is, and the video made me realize how important Hejab is in Islam.

So, yeah, decided to fully wear it, and I feel much comfortable and confident with it :cute:.

[Reluctant]

Hey guys, I have something that isn't personal opinion.

حدثنا علي بن مسهر عن المختار بن فلفل عن أنس بن مالك قال : " دخلت على عمر بن الخطاب أمة قد كان يعرفها لبعض المهاجرين أو الأنصار وعليها جلباب متقنعة به فسألها : عتقت ؟ قالت : لا : قال : فما بال الجلباب ؟ ! ضعيه عن رأسك إنما الجلباب على الحرائر من نساء المؤمنين فتلكأت فقام إليها بالدرة فضرب بها رأسها حتى ألقته عن رأسها " . قلت : وهذا سند صحيح على شرط مسلم

http://islamport.com/d/1/alb/1/3/29.html?zoom_highlightsub=%22%DA%E4+%D1%C3%D3%DF%2 2

'Alee ibn Mashar narrated to us from al-Mukhtaar ibn Falfal, from Anas ibn Maalik who said:

A slave women entered upon 'Umar ibn al-Khattab who he knew to be one of the Muhajireen or Ansar. And upon her was a jilbaab which covered her head.

So he asked her: Have you been freed?

She said: No.

So he said: What is the reason for the jilbaab?! Take it from your head. Verily jilbaabs are only for the free women from the believers.

She hesitated, so he stood up and came to her with a sack (?) and beat/hit her head with it until she removed it from her head.

Al-Albani says: Isnaad saheeh upon the conditions of Imaam Muslim.

This is also the ijmaa' of the four Sunni madhabs. A slave woman is not allowed to cover her hair. As al-Nawawi says:

وعورة الرجل ما بين السرة والركبة

عورة الأمة كالرجل

http://feqh.al-islam.com/Display.asp?DocID=24&MaksamID=987&ParagraphID=519&Sharh=0

The awrah (area which must legally be covered) of a man is from the navel to the knees...the awrah of the slave woman is like that of the man.

According to Sunni Islam, slave women, despite being Muslims, were not allowed to wear hijaab. Caliph Umar even beat a woman who tried to do so! So, clearly, the early Muslims had a conception of hijaab which differs from the conception of it held by Muslims today. So, I think it is very much in line if someone wishes to research the issue further and seek to understand the purpose of the hijaab. Because clearly, for the slave women forced to not wear it, covering one's hair and the status of one's faith were not connected. Therefore, I feel given such a reality, the issue is not black and white and is open to being researched and studied further. And frankly, I am not sure based on such a historical reality if we can fault those who do not wish to wear it today, despite perhaps believing it would be better to do so. However, clearly, it is open to research, and clearly such a fiqh position is not taken into account when discussing a conception of female Islamic modesty.

[Mimi]

It is only controversial thing for those who want to follow their own desires.

Ya salaam, and you know its their own desires. Never mind. sigh

[Mimi]

Hey guys, I have something that isn't personal opinion.

حدثنا علي بن مسهر عن المختار بن فلفل عن أنس بن مالك قال : " دخلت على عمر بن الخطاب أمة قد كان يعرفها لبعض المهاجرين أو الأنصار وعليها جلباب متقنعة به فسألها : عتقت ؟ قالت : لا : قال : فما بال الجلباب ؟ ! ضعيه عن رأسك إنما الجلباب على الحرائر من نساء المؤمنين فتلكأت فقام إليها بالدرة فضرب بها رأسها حتى ألقته عن رأسها " . قلت : وهذا سند صحيح على شرط مسلم

http://islamport.com/d/1/alb/1/3/29.html?zoom_highlightsub=%22%DA%E4+%D1%C3%D3%DF%2 2

'Alee ibn Mashar narrated to us from al-Mukhtaar ibn Falfal, from Anas ibn Maalik who said:

A slave women entered upon 'Umar ibn al-Khattab who he knew to be one of the Muhajireen or Ansar. And upon her was a jilbaab which covered her head.

So he asked her: Have you been freed?

She said: No.

So he said: What is the reason for the jilbaab?! Take it from your head. Verily jilbaabs are only for the free women from the believers.

She hesitated, so he stood up and came to her with a sack (?) and beat/hit her head with it until she removed it from her head.

Al-Albani says: Isnaad saheeh upon the conditions of Imaam Muslim.

This is also the ijmaa' of the four Sunni madhabs. A slave woman is not allowed to cover her hair. As al-Nawawi says:

وعورة الرجل ما بين السرة والركبة

عورة الأمة كالرجل

http://feqh.al-islam.com/Display.asp?DocID=24&MaksamID=987&ParagraphID=519&Sharh=0

The awrah (area which must legally be covered) of a man is from the navel to the knees...the awrah of the slave woman is like that of the man.

According to Sunni Islam, slave women, despite being Muslims, were not allowed to wear hijaab. Caliph Umar even beat a woman who tried to do so! So, clearly, the early Muslims had a conception of hijaab which differs from the conception of it held by Muslims today. So, I think it is very much in line if someone wishes to research the issue further and seek to understand the purpose of the hijaab. Because clearly, for the slave women forced to not wear it, covering one's hair and the status of one's faith were not connected. Therefore, I feel given such a reality, the issue is not black and white and is open to being researched and studied further. And frankly, I am not sure based on such a historical reality if we can fault those who do not wish to wear it today, despite perhaps believing it would be better to do so. However, clearly, it is open to research, and clearly such a fiqh position is not taken into account when discussing a conception of female Islamic modesty.

yeah, wallah!

[MorphaKnight]

Maybe its because I've lived around a quarter of my life abroad, but I can't see the hijab as an indicator for a modest woman. I can respect a woman's personality and intelligence without the need of a hijab if she already dresses modestly.

Also I'm wholly against the niqab, especially when I see a woman wearing it is screaming out that she is doing it so that society may respect her as a person. That speaks to me as if she is full of insecurities and wants nothing more than to fit in. That just tells me how weak her personality can be. And if she screams out that she's covering her beauty, then I see that as nothing more than arrogance...religious arrogance even.

Also it seems more apparent in the gulf that no matter what a woman will wear, guys will harass her and throw their number cards at her, which just shows the mentality that men have over women irregardless of what they wear. Segregation, gossip, and the late age men have to go through to get married due to a bad economy or the high dowries are what causes men to do such things.

[Lawi]

Maybe its because I've lived around a quarter of my life abroad, but I can't see the hijab as an indicator for a modest woman. I can respect a woman's personality and intelligence without the need of a hijab if she already dresses modestly.

Exactly how i feel.