Shia - Sunni

[sanwin25]

Are the Shia's considered Muslim or not ? I ask this because I read this question on a fatwa site :

can i a sunni girl,marry a shia boy?

It is not permissible for you to marry a Shi'a boy until he changes his beliefs according to the beliefs of the Ahlus sunnah Wal Jamaa

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

http://islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=6272

[Arabian Princess]

Well I dont know on what basies did this Imam place his Fatwa.

What I know and beleive in that SHia beleive in Allah Almighty, they beleive in the prophet peace be upon him and the Quran, they fast Ramdhan, they pray 5 pryers, the pay zakat and go to Huj.
Simply they beleive in the basis of Islam and that means that are muslims and a girl is allowed to marry him.

I am not a mufti but this is what I beleive in.

[sanwin25]

Well the Iman seems pretty convinced about his opinon. Matter of fact he is religious advisor to a whole bunch of confused people who apparently consider him the last word on Islam.

Please visit that site for more amusement.

[Dr N]

I just want to say that Shiaa are muslims, that's a fact that no one can deny! Just like arabian princess have said, we pray, we go to haj, we obey Allah. The basics are the same, so why say that they are not considered as muslims, these are only different sects in islam, and there is absolutely no need to change any beliefs in order to marry a sunii girl.

[Equality]

islam allowed us to marry chritan or jewish woman, how about shiaa, and they say La Elah IL Allah, Mohammad Rasool Allah.

[qais]

i think the imam is whabi.
dont belive this guy..he's not a real imam

[sanwin25]

How can a religion that claims to be totally united in belif have such contradictory opinion ? We are not talking about some minor Agha Khan or Ahmediya sect here. Shia/Sunni comprise the majority of muslims and yet they can't even agree !

[Jinan]

This is nothing but garbage... How can a mufti say that?? Im sorry but the guy has lost his senses!!!! There are so many shias marrying sunnis.... we Shias follow Islam like anybody else...

btw, Agha Khan Is not a shi3i.. he is an Ismaili... he has nothing to do with shiasm.. this guy doesnt believe in god aslan!!!

[yellow sapphire]

Originally posted by qais
i think the imam is whabi.
dont belive this guy..he's not a real imam
if he is wahhabi,he is against Islam

[sanwin25]

So Saudi's are not Muslim ? They are predominantly Wahibi ?

[yellow sapphire]

Originally posted by sanwin25
So Saudi's are not Muslim ? They are predominantly Wahibi ?
how may percentage of wahhabi in saudi arabia.is this your own investigation.otherwise how u know.

[Jinan]

If they were really muslims then they wud have never called shias Kuffar...I once slapped a guy cuz he said that Shias are wajib el qatal.. and its mentioned in the quran...

[yellow sapphire]

even sunni people in saudi arabia do not like wahhabi.
the problem they have power only.

[Orion]

THE MAIN POINTS OF DIFFERENCE (Shia/Sunni)

The main points of divergence are

(1) The 'Sunnis credit the Sunna' or the traditions of the Holy Prophet as being bf canonical authority but the Shia reject the Sunni collections of them as apocryphal and incredible.

(2) The Shias reject the authority of Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uth man, whom they regard as usurpers, whereas the Sunnis regard them as the lawful successors of the Holy Prophet

(3) Most of the sects of the Shiäs assign to All an equal rank with the Holy Prophet Muhammad, and some of them in their extreme veneration for Aliprefer the former over the latter.

(4) The Sunnis charge the Shias with corrupting the Quran i.e., distorting the meaning of its various passages while the same charge is repeated and levelled by the Shias against the Sunnis.

[yellow sapphire]

shia(alithna 3ashariyah ofcourse) and sunnah have same quran.

[Dr N]

exactly YS both have the same quran, and that's enough evidence that they are true muslims and no one has the right to deny that..and the quran never mentioned that Shiaa should be killed

[yellow sapphire]

Dr N
since long time and I am saying this but these people do not want to follow Quran,they want to follow Khamees and Rashid,as if Khamees and Rashid are Allah.
These people have kept Quran aside and keep asking what did Khamees say and what did Rashid use to eat and how many pillows sa3doon used to have when he sleeps.
believe me people think I am joking,no no,I am saying the truth.I am not joking,this is the truth.

[Enjoy Ur Death]

how easy can non-muslims distract the attention of muslims to killing them by giving the knife in their hands, instead of fighting those who fight islam they fight themselves ... this is how non-muslims always made big gaps betweeen muslims till the level that some of them call each other kuffar .. by killing themselves they r killing the islam and non-muslims becomes dominant ..
nowdays, the non-muslims don't use weapons but they can easily elicit faughtive issues at the time they r insulting islam with no one to reply cos muslims r busy in replying on each other ..
:eyes:

good job for non-mulsims and excellent reply from muslims :eyes:
keep it up ok, by this way we might help our islam :weep:

[yellow sapphire]

my solution was good to leave hadeeth for 7 years so that we concentrate in Quran only but they do not want to leave hadeeth which bring the porblems.
The problem is not from Allah.
The problem is not from Mohammed peace be upon him.
The problem is from those people who brought hadeeth for us and change them.They are going to be punished in hereafter in nar jahhannam wal3iatho bill Allah.

our 7 sects olama have to discuss soon to prevent the damge of muslims and make muslims strong as they were during the presence of our prophet peace be upon him.
why Othman took care of Quran only,why he did not take care of hadeeth and join them in one place to prevent us to go to the market and search for it.why he did not collect them to prevent Khamees and Rashid to say what they want to say.
inna lillah wa inna ilihi raji3oon

[shamsery]

This is unfortunate. No one is quoting any reference from Quran or Hadith?
Attn: Mr. Orion,
Quote: “The Shias reject the authority of Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uth man, whom they regard as usurpers, whereas the Sunnis regard them as the lawful successors of the Holy Prophet”. Unquote.
Can you narrate their explanation in favour of your statement please?
Islam is on five pillars. Does any one deny it?

[Bimzoori]

I dont have much to say abt this topic, except this story, which I hope you take the time to read...(I got it thru my email)

"What Color Was The Dog?"

Once there was a community of Muslims who were small in number yet large in iman and strong in action. So much so that, the kufaar [non-believers] could not defeat them in battle even though they had the Muslims out numbered.


One day a young man from the kufaar pretended to enter into Islam and he went to the big sheik [learned man] in one part of the city and listened to his teaching of the Quran. The subject happened to be on the chapter of the Quran called Al Kahaf (the Cave, #18].

When the sheik completed his talk he offered a chance for the brothers present to ask some questions. When it came the turn of the kafar, he asked the sheik the question:

“Sir, in the story of the ‘sleepers’ in the cave, there is mention of a dog. And I was wondering if I might inquire as to what color the dog might have been? I hope you don’t mind my asking, especially if it is something that maybe you don’t know the answer to.”

Immediately the sheik says to the young man, “That’s no problem at all, everyone should know that the dog was YELLOW.”

The young man said, “Are you sure? I mean, could it have been another color?”

“No.” replied the old sheik, “It was definitely YELLOW.” Once again the young man thanked him and when on his way.

The next night the young kafr man went to the other side of town and sat in another gathering of knowledge and they too were discussing different things about verses in the Quran.

So when it came time for the teacher to give each person attending, the opportunity to ask a question, the kafr man raised his hand and then asked the question, “In the chapter about the “Cave”, the sleepers are mentioned in different numbers but each time there is a reference to their dog as being counted along with them. Now I was wondering whether or not anyone of knowledge has ever made any reference to what the color the dog might have been?”

The sheik immediately said, “Yes! The dog in this story in the Quran was BLACK.”

The young kafar man was pleased and continued, “Sir, are you quite certain that the color of the dog mentioned in the story was BLACK?”

“Young man,” he quickly replied, “I’ll stake my reputation on that as a fact.”

“Thank you, sir.” Said the young man.

The next night the kafar posing as a Muslim went back to the first sheik and then when it came time for the questions and answers he raised his hand and asked, “Sheik, may Allah reward you for all your effort and knowledge and for sharing it with us. Could you maybe remind me about the answer to the question the other night about the color of the dog in the cave in Surah Al-Kahaf?” (Holy Quran: Chapter 18).


To be continued..............

[Bimzoori]

story continued.........

The sheik said, “There is no doubt whatsoever amongst the great scholars of Islam on this question. The dog was YELLOW. And anyone who says other than this has no knowledge.”

With that the young man spoke up again and said, “Sir, what would you say if someone else said that he would stake his reputation of being a scholar in Islam on the fact that the dog is not yellow, but rather that the dog is most certainly BLACK?”

The sheik quickly replied, “Then his reputation is not that of a scholar but one of a fool.”

Now the next time the kafr man went to the sheik that was upholding the idea of the dog being BLACK, he told the sheik that the sheik on the other side of town was calling him names and saying that he had no knowledge of Islam and that for sure that the dog was YELLOW.

The old sheik became angry and shouted, “You tell him, that I said he is the one without knowledge. I’m the one who graduated from the greatest of schools of Islam, while he is but a fool.”


The plan was working. Before long the community was divided into two groups. Each group was claiming that their sheik was the one with the correct answer. Fighting broke out in the streets and the Muslims began attacking each other all over the city. Everyone became involved to the extent that there was not a single person who was excluded from this terrible situation. Screaming, shouting, hitting and fighting were everywhere.

And then it happened. The kafr went back out to his people and told them,

“Let us go to fight them now. You will now find them most easy to defeat.”

And that is exactly what they did.




May Allah save us from such fitnah [tribulations]. Ameen

[Bimzoori]

Allah said it very clearly in the Quran...

“Certainly, the only way [deen] acceptable to Allah is the submission to Him in Islam.” [3:19]

And...


“On this day have I perfected your way of life [religion] for you, completed My Favor upon you and have chosen for you ISLAM as your way of life.”[5:3]


May Allah make us avoid at all costs, the dividing and the separating of the real "Muslims." Ameen.


And what is Islam???

Isalm=

1) Surrender

2) Submission

3) Obedience

4) Sincerity

5) Peace

[shamsery]

Dear Mr. Bimzoori,
Thank you, nice contribution. You cannot shut down others rather you are to face it with logic.
“This day are those who disbelieve in despair of (ever harming) your religion; so fear them not, fear Me! This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favor unto you, and have chosen for you as religion AL- ISLAM. Whoso is forced by hunger, not by will, to sin: (for him) lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.” From Sura Al-Mâ'idah : The Feast.
Please do not fear them , meet up their inquisitiveness . There no reason to quarrel among ourselves. Please
accepts the facts and go ahead.