Oman's Economy and Foreigners?

[Seham]

Does having Non-Omanis or foreigners working in Oman play any role in developing the country's economy and well-fare? Or do u think a totally Omani oriented workers, have a better chance of improving the country's economy?

[Orion]

If you took all the western expats, unskilled laborers, and rest of the foreign workforce out of oman tommorow ...

The country would fall apart and come to a standstill... in fact I'm pretty sure would have some sort low-level anarchy.

If you look western markets... (and eastern one's for that matter) the successful economic model usually have lower paid unskilled migrant workers and higher paid skilled-technical workers to fill the gaps in running the economy/country.

What do you think?

[Arabian Princess]

I would have to agree with orion
We do need forginers either we wish it or not. I do not think that our workforce is fully qualified to take all the jobs. Ofcourse we are heading towrads increasing the number of locals in differnt jobs, but that needs time and qualifications.

Although when we have a large number of forginers, it could affect our economy since those expats would be transfering the money outside the country, but ofcourse we still need thier expertise!!

[Seham]

I was very happy with Orion's and AP's reply .... I just wanted to reflect this opinion when I asked this question .... as I have come accross many people who don't know the value of having non-Omani workers .... I think they made a major contribution in developing the country and helping it stand on its feet so in a way we should be thankful to them....

[Nimr Mal Zibala]

people like u do not know what the hell is going on in this country.
IF this economy is doing so well then why is so many comapnies closing down? Why is the oil production falling ? Why hasnt LNG come up with any money to show yet? All these foreigners are here to EAT not to harvest the fields.

Firstly, foreigners in other countries are paid decent wages ahve a better standards then the hindus and generally take showers and this is not a racist comment because its true indians rich or poor SMELL bad at least 90% of the time. Even an indian will tell u the same thing.

Secondly, if all the foreigners leave do you know how much money will be put back into the country's economy ? Maybe billions! Also the country will fall apart only for a short period of time. On the current course we are heading when things fall apart which it will in the near future BELIEVE YOU ME it will take a very long time to get back on our feet. What we have in Oman is a false economy and false infra structure which is held up by paper pillars. And those pillars are gonna get burnt. What do we have other than oil ? Nuthing ? Oil costs about 7 -9 dollars a barrel to make and were selling it for 20 dollars? Thats pathetic considering other countries which are smaller than Oman produce 1 million barrels a day at 2-5 dollars cost! Why is that ? Because its a fake economy filled with too many thieves.

Thirdly, who brings in these foreigners, the 5-6 rich people in Oman who controls and own everything . Have u ever heard of someone owning car showrooms from ruwi until Buraimi ? Or from Seeb to Wattaya for that matter? No where in the world will u find a country of 2 million people where 5/6 people own the land and the company and the workers from one side of the country to the other. Heck i didnt even count Salalah, let me re-phrase: Has anyone here heard of someone owning car showrooms from Salalah to Buraimi???? Thats like saying someone owns teh lan country and people init from london to Scotlan and back again?????? Helllo

Fourthly, have u ever heard of foreigners stealing 60 million every year from the banking centre. FADHAYHA. So please dont sit there and say poor poor foreigners how under appreciated they are. If it wasnt for low skilled expatriate workers a builder will be gettign paid 1000 rials a month by now and if it wasnt No names please getting paid 5000-10000 rials a month and doing nothing for it; this country will actaully have some profit instead devaluation of currency, ridiculous unemployment rates. Out of 32,000 graduates from high school only less than 20,000 will go to college (and im really hiking the figure its more like 10,000). HELLLO WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE IN BRAZIL. U'r living in LALA land if u think foreigners are "ALL THAT"

Fifthly, and if foreginers were so great please tell me this:

This is wat is going ot happen very soon, the Omani rial will be devalued again and oil production will be reduced from 750,000 barrels a day to half that amount y 2006. That means government expenditure is going to be cut in half which means less scholarships, less jobs, less tenders, less contracts less everything. It also means that most of us will be fired or go bankrupt, epecialy those relying on government handouts. Who will survive this mess the 5 big shots who own chapel shoe shops all the way till Multinationals corporation. Shoe shops? U'd think they'd leave something for us peasants.


BTW I think I wrote Mr.Joe Bloggs or Mr. White Man - these are not real names DUHHH

[Seham]

Fishfood21!
Thank you for reflecting your bias and pessimistic opinion! You have deviated a bit from the original question (wa a'7tala6a al7aabal be al naabal!) I will try to reply to some of your views in the order you wrote them! Finally, I would like to bring to your attention that it is against Sablah Rules to mention names of people!

1. I have no comment on this part and it is your personal view!

2. If all the foreigners leave the country then may be you are right we will have more money but it will be like a lost treasure on an Island .... no one can use it! Our streets will be dirty because no Omani will sweep our streets .... tourism will decline which can be a good source of income! No one will collect the garbage from your front door so everyone will smell!!! Restaurants will shut down ... no Omani will work as a waiter (may be few!). We will have to revert back to living in tents because no Omani will build his house in the hot sun!!The universities and colleges will close down because there are not enough qualified Omanis who will teach the new generation so even more less people will enter higher education! Hospitals will close down because there are very few Omani consultants ... i.e we will die of disease! As for higher petrol prices it costs more to extract therefore it is more expensive to sell.... I thinking if companies thought they are being cheated they won't buy it!!

3. That is a different issue! And nothing to do with foreigners but more a problem with Omanis!

4. If foreigners steal 60 million per year that is nothing in comparison to what the Omanis steal from each other!
As for school graduates, it is the problem of Men making their wives bring 10-15 kids nothing to do with foreigners!! You say around 10,000-20,000 enter Higher Education..... to add to your knowledge in the United Kingdom and we all know how many universities and colleges they have .... only 45% of their school graduates enter Higher Education ... so if you ask me ...we are doing great as good as advanced countries may be better!!!

5. As for the reduction in the oil production by the year 2006 that is because natural gas will be introduced by that year as you know the project has already started in Sur-Oman! Rial being devaluated it is more to do with the rate of increase of the population of this country rather than foreigners!!

I hope I have managed to clear up some confusions you might have regarding foreigners!! Finally, I want to say that no one is perfect as long as the good they do is more than the bad they do then there is a balance and the country will go foreward rather than backward!

[Orion]

Can you hear it Seham? That sound? In the air?

Silence...

Beautiful.

That's what we call a SMACKDOWN!

[Nimr Mal Zibala]

Once again i must lay the smackdown on you:

1) Whos name did i mention? FIRST OF ALL

2) When the foreigners leave Omani's won't work as waiters or cleaners ? Ofcourse not for 80 rials a month- what kind of human beaing would? Only sub-human species like indians would. But if 1 omani will stand up and say: "Hey, hang on a minute, cleaning the streets is a job that noone wants to do, hence if i offer to work for the wages i want they will have to give it to me and my buddies, since the social benefit of clening up is far greater than the social "loss" also working in temparatures over 30C means that my hazard pay must be high as i could have sunstroke on a daily basis. My life insurance should be lower since im doing a job that noone wants to do as i am doing a favour for my country" Why do you always think the government is here to do us favours, we are here to do the government (government = ruling body of peoples for the peoples in case u didn/t know) favours not the other way round. The same goes for builders, labourers, toilet cleaners, waiting peoples etc etc. If u pay me the right amount of money i will clean toilets and so will many other Omanis. But workign for 80 rials a month for hard work and dedication is not fair business practice let alone humane. An indian may be able to live on 80 rials a month since in india he lives like a king. Over here in civilisation we cannot and must not taking it lying down when a company dictates wages. We are supposed to dictate wages not them. CAN U SMELL WAT IM COOKING?????

3) This is everything to do with foreigners, this point particulary is the problem with Oman and Omanis. These people (big shots) are so greedy and so sick that instead of spending some money of trainging and higher wages, they prefer to save a few hundred rials on wages so they can increase there profit marginally. Hello better sheep sell for higher, diseases smelly sheep dont sell. What is a few thousand to someone who owns land from Salalah to Buraimi anyway ? Pray tell ? Are u telling me that in all those showrooms that its not possible for the sales staff to be Omani or the accountants ? I think not and if you do, then you should just kill yourself for having such little faith in your own people. And who are you to say that Omanis can not do this job or that job, first give them the chance to expand, learn and just WORK FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. Can you smell what im cooking?

4) Having ten-15 kids, wat is wrong with that ? Didnt prophet Miohammed say have lots of kids ? Oh wait let me guess you've lost faith in religion now. Whats wrong with having lots of kids ? Apart from thats what our culture and religion is about, there is nuthing wrong at all with having lots of kids. The more the merrier. Just as long as they can get edcated and find jobs, which would be possible if there were no god****ed foreginers here. AND do you know why 45% can afford NOT to go to college in the UK. Because over there a roadsweeper gets paid 600 rials a month at least! A house cleaner gets paid 3 rials an hour. A toilet cleaner the same. Also if they dont goto college tehy have many other options tehy can goto training college for a small fee and become carpenters, masons, roofers, mechanics. OR they can even start working form the age of 16 in a company and by the time they are 21 they are already junior managers. Why goto college if you dont have the ability nor the inclination to study further when i can join as a low-skilled or semi skilled worker and make jsut as much as a graduate. Another point to make is over there a secretary doesnt even have to hav high school but over here they will employ an indian with 2 degrees a masters and a phd to be a secretary for 250 a month. In the UK u can ear 5-10 rials an hour as a secretary as long as you can spell and type fast. So you see why only 45% of students enter higher learning, its not because they CAN NOT its because they CHOOSE NOT TO.
Now you smell the cooking eh? As for Omanis stealing from each other, it never used to happen before the indians and the white people arrived. This busines sof theft is a foreign one. And how come Omanis are the biggest thieves in the middle east. Is it because that foreginers control EVERYTHING unlike other arab countries where there is some kind of law against this.


5) Well your point over here is total rubbish, you think everyone is going to be driving gas engine cars, using gas fueled machinery by 2006. I think you just made this point up tell you the truth. Oil production is beind reduced because of gas- does that make sense to anyone here? If it does then you must be mental .

Now i hope I have cleared your delusions over teh injustices being practiced in this country. And when things fall apart at least you know you can blame yourself and the foreigners for not believing in Omanis capabilities.
Thanks welcome Muscat JASON 2002

oh and one more thing orion:
SLAM

[IceTea]

Originally posted by Seham
Fishfood21!

4. If foreigners steal 60 million per year that is nothing in comparison to what the Omanis steal from each other!


Can u give us more information about this and how do Omanis steal from each other ?

[Arabian Princess]

Fishfood,
you have no right to call any person's opinion rubish, please use resoning instead of insults in your posts.

I agree with Seham, forginers are not the cause of all problems as you say fishfood. I dont understand why were they they one who taught Omanis to steal? and if so, Omanis are the ones to blame if they get bad habbits from forginers not forginers themselves?!

you calim that Omanis should ask for higher wages to clean the streets, to take out garbge and so on. I dont say that these jobs are not important, but I dont think the answer to the problem is the increase in wages. What will happen is more graduates will go to those jobs and we will suffer from an unskilled workforce and that problem is even worse than the problem of unemployment because sooner or later again we would need forginers!!!

No one over here decreased the capability of Omanis, but no matter what we do not have the full workforce to support our economy. First of all, we do not have enough docters!. If we took all the forigen docters away, you will be complaining about staying in queue for so long!!! and you will be coming again here to complaint about that!
Oman is trying to improve its workforce, this wont come in one day or another. It could take more than 10 years!. Until then, we should all seek the best education we can get, because by then we would be able not replace forginers completly, but at least reduce our dependency on them.

[Seham]

Thank you AP!

[Nimr Mal Zibala]

AP said:
"you calim that Omanis should ask for higher wages to clean the streets, to take out garbge and so on. I dont say that these jobs are not important, but I dont think the answer to the problem is the increase in wages. <strong> What will happen is more graduates will go to those jobs and we will suffer from an unskilled workforce and that problem is even worse than the problem of unemployment because sooner or later again we would need forginers!!! </strong> "

Can someone please tell me if this makes sense ? Why on earth will a graduate become a street cleaner when they can work in an office for high wages anyway? I mean i seriously hope you aren't in charge of making any economics decisions for any country. But wait maybe u and the people in charge think the same thats why our economy is upside down.

Doesnt anyoen think its strange that Omans economy is just a little bit different than everyones elses in the entire worls? Why did Colonel Qaddafi say that if anyoen wants to destry israels economy just put two Omani ministers in charge? Doesnt someone or anyone just get a little taste or hint that we are the joke of the arab world when it comes to economies ? What will it take for you lamen to understand wat is happening here?

I dont think you will ever learn and because of that our childrens future is futile. We live in a country where everything is commision or bribery or wasta? You can't even get an application form without having to beg someone to help you ?

AP said :

" No one over here decreased the capability of Omanis, but no matter what we do not have the full workforce to support our economy. First of all, we do not have enough docters!. If we took all the forigen docters away, you will be complaining about staying in queue for so long!!! and you will be coming again here to complaint about that!
Oman is trying to improve its workforce, this wont come in one day or another. It could take more than 10 years!. Until then, we should all seek the best education we can get, because by then we would be able not replace forginers completly, but at least reduce our dependency on them."

I think that your claims of Omanis trying to improve is a LIE. THe whole idea is that foreginers are here as "guests" purely to develop this country. Develop means that Omanis too will ahve to able to stand own their own two feet and pave their own way to success. Since the foreginers have been here for 30 years all is see is a bunch of Omanis coming back from university and waiting 1-2 years to get a job, but what i do see is indians getting fired and re-hired on a daily basis. Develop however does not mean employing a white man and paying him 8000 rials a month, for 8000 rials a month you can try 5 young Omanis to be experts in 10 different fields, including paying for living expenses and 3 tickets a year. So please dont talk KAKA.

You are really naive or brainwashed to think the way you do. Its been 30 years, it took Japan 30 years to come back from a Nuclear Holocaust ! HELLO ? Wake up. After world war 2 Germany is now one of the major powerhouses in europe. So please tell me what have we accomplished in 30 years. 5 new roads. 5 colleges only 1 university and a grand total of 5 hotels? Maybe when you walk into Mustapha Jawad electronics and saw the advertisement of the eiffel tower, big ben and Burj Sahwa, you really believed that Burj Sahwa was one of the wonders in the world. I feel sorry really really sorry.

And yes Ice Tea would like his question answered wat do Omanis steal from each other. Cuz as we've seen in the newspaper whenever tehre was a police investigation there was always indians involved in the whole affair, which backs up my point that these indians have taught Omanis bad habits. Where is your proof that Omanis steal more than foreigners, pray tell ?

I ahve to say that if you are Omanis i am really disappointed in the way your thought process moves. And it is your thinking that brings other people down and yourselves. Shame on you for being Anti-Omani and pro-EXPAT SCUM.

I would like to take this moment to thank the british government for all the blessed roads,colleges and economy which can be destroyed by one phone call from the bush.

[Arabian Princess]

FIshfood,
your way or replying is really ofending. If you have a point of view, you are most welcoem to express it but that does not mean by any means to degrade other member's point of view!

Well, you claimed that Oman's economy is the joke of all neighbouring economies. Well I want to tell you that you are totally wrong. Give me a proof other than Qathafi's saying!!

[Nimr Mal Zibala]

Ok heres a bunch of proof:
1) Out of 46 thousand high school leavers only 10,000 will be funded by our beloved goverment. Another 3-5,000 will be privately funded.
2) When City centre opened how come the govt. forced Futtaim company to pay Omani's less because the salaries were higher than other companies and supermarkets. Which goes to show that more money can be put towards salaries instead of some hindus manager pocket.
3) Today's show on BBC called ARab World direct- 90% of the people commenting on Arab economies were hindus not locals. So theres proof that these hindus are taking over.
4) The thieves caught on the CBO scandal revolved around an indian.
5) How come when you walk into the showrooms of every company it is 1 Omani to 50 indians ratio. And you're telling me there is no jobs? Anyone can be a salesman you dont need a PHD to do it.
6) Take a stroll in CBD count the Omanis to Foreign filth starting from the first floor and work your way up.
7) Do you know how much indians labourers work for? They don't mind to sleep outside and eat sardines and rice two times a day for 80 rials a month. How can a company resist such cheap labourers who demand low wages and bad living conditions. CAn you believe that, wat kind of economy has workers who actually WANT low wages and to sleep outside in the heat???
8) When an Omani comes back from outside studies how come it takes him 1 year to find a job but when an indian gets fired he gets another job in less than a week.
9) And if they can afford to pay 5000 rials to white foreign devil or more in some cases for over 20 years i certainly think they can save enuf money to traing some Omanis once every 5 years to become managers. But nooooooo! The white man puts down the local worker and takes credit for his work at every corner and chance he gets.
10) If this economy is so stable and wonderful and has so much potential how come so many Omani's want to become citizens of hte UAE, UK, USA, Australia nad canada?

What kind of economy is that ? I call it a BS economy. Its not even a real economy. I put it to you MISS AP to give me more proof that this economy is indeed one that is of sound practice and fair trade and business. Please even one shred of proof tell me. And new roads and 1 new cinema is not proof of good economy.

Tell me about positive :

Employment-there isnt much of this and of waht is avaialble the foreign scum have it.
Inflation-devalued currency-why i dont know
Oil Production-lowest in the middle east maybe the world
Price of goods -same price as if you are in the UK-how can companies charge the same price for most goods and services when the average salary is 300/month?
Import/Export - everything is imported and high prices and exports are minimal- we have nuthing export except honey and Oud
Tourism- what a joke, we cater to the tourist aged 50+ who have pensions funds and no salary.

SO PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT HAVE THESE FOREGIN DEVILS DONE TO IMPROVE ANYTHING ?> Whether is low skilled, semi-skilled or white meat workers. What is so fantastic or even agreeable to your appetite about this economy. Come on tell me. Because all i heard from you is how wonderful this poor poor underpaid foreigners are and how incapable Omanis are to do anything? I most certaingly think you missed the circus when it came to town.

[fatak]

Regardless of what you say......regarding the Omani situation.......which I think you make some good points, you seem to have a problem with people from other races....which you should know are unacceptable and rude!!!

Your remarks.......

1. white meat workers

2. FOREGIN DEVILS

3. Foreign filth

4. white foreign devil

5. indians have taught Omanis bad habits

6. pro-EXPAT SCUM.

7. As for Omanis stealing from each other, it never used to happen before the indians and the white people arrived. This busines sof theft is a foreign one. And how come Omanis are the biggest thieves in the middle east. Is it because that foreginers control EVERYTHING unlike other arab countries where there is some kind of law against this.

8. god****ed foreginers

9. its true indians rich or poor SMELL bad at least 90% of the time. Even an indian will tell u the same thing.

10. foreign scum

So please take my advise......don't spoil your good arguements with these racists remarks..... if you said these things to me in public.....I'd slap your chops, and give you a good kick in the butt.

Learn some manners man....you make some good soup, but check your spices carefully.....you don't want people to get sick.....

Cheers
fatak

[Quick Silver]

not translated arabic words are not allowed here. I will try to translate what he wrote:
God **** Forginers, and an arabic saying: work oh deer, and play oh monkey!!


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[fatak]

Can't read!!!!

Care to re write in English?

Cheers
fatak

[Arabian Princess]

Sabal al'3af, if you have a point, write it in english because this is the English Sabla. If you did not translate what you wrote I will have to edit it ..

[Quick Silver]

arabian Princess
ÇÚáì ãÇ Ýí Îíáß ÇÑßÈíå íÇÔÇØæÑÉ or as Omani people say ÍÔÑíåÇ ÈáíÝÉ

[Arabian Princess]

Thanx :color:

[Quick Silver]

aha sure thing:color:

[IceTea]

Whats going on ya sabal al sabla :p

[Seham]

Sabal El'3af and Fishfood21!
It would be quite interesting for you to visit a topic on "What is your perception of civilisation?" dated 27/07/2002 in the General Discussion area of the English Sablah.

[Nimr Mal Zibala]

I WILL BE RACIST,
why not ? You think indians dont have racist words for us ? You think the white devil doesnt SCOFF at us for being so pathetic?
When the words ARAB=Human and not ARAB=TErrorist tehn i will stop my racism.

My perfect view of civilisation is for me to be the ruler of the world and everyone to be tanned medium rare like me. No niggas, ragheads, hindus, pakis, honky, crackers, devil aND DEFINELTY NO COW WORSHIPERS.

And since Hindus are considered KAFIR which is a bigger insult than stinking smelly indian chap i think i am being quite lenient, Considering this still is an ARAB/muslim chat forum. Good day, ultimately when your spectacles are broken you will truly understand my good name sir!

OH AND STILL NO REPLY TO MY QUESTIONS ON WAHT IS GOOD ABOTU THE KEY POINTS OF THIS ECONOMY:
Employment
Inflation
Prices
Improt/Export
blah blah etc ertc etc

DONT GO OFF SUBJECT AY? OR AT LEAST ADMIT I AM 110% RIGHT IN MY ARGUMETN AND U SURRENDER TO MY DICTATORSHIP REGMIE OF BURNING FOREIGNERS AND KILLING COWS FOR LUNCH!


PS If anyone would like to join MY ILF club i already have 15 members. I am the leader of the INDIAND LIBERATION CLUB WE SHALL FREE ALL BINDUS FROM THEIR JOBS- and if tehy don't go willingly OUT COME THE BURNING CROSSES AND HOODED ROBES!!!!!

[fatak]

Your kind of Islamic thinking needs some work!!!!

Islam views the diversity of languages and cultures in our world as a natural process caused by the movement of people here and there. It is a source of richness, wonder, and discovery. Multiculturalism has a treasured place in Islamic ideology; and according to the Qur’an, the only criterion for differentiating among people lies in the strength of their religious sentiment. Muslims are thus taught that race is not a legitimate standard of measurement. Islam has often been praised for its emphasis on the equality of all people regardless of race, creed, or color. Given this understanding of natural human movement throughout the world, Muslims thus can agree with anthropologists who have proven that all people can be traced back to a single region in east Africa. What about the diversity of our colors and physical features? Islam makes an allowance for that as well. The Prophet Muhammad once commented on the differences of appearance among people in the Arabian peninsula by pointing out that people in the south of Arabia were darker skinned because the sun was harsher and the climate more extreme. People in central and northern Arabia, he explained, were lighter skinned because the climate was fairer. Thus, environmental factors account for how people look from region to region.

Kafir is the term used in the Qur’an to describe someone who does not believe in God. Although the word is often translated as unbeliever, that is not what it means. In fact, there is no equivalent word for unbeliever in Arabic. Kafir comes from the word kaffara, which means to cover up or hide. Thus a person who is a kafir hides God’s truth and covers his or her heart and mind, refusing to accept the existence of God.

good luck!!!!

Cheers
fatak

[Nimr Mal Zibala]

U still didnt answer my questions.
Secondly in times of war, with lets face islam is under attack from all over, we can be racist to the niggas pakis, ragheads, Hindus, since they do not conform with out ethos.
This is my religion now:
RAcist Islamist Anti-Fundamentalist Lynching GAng leader of foreign ppl.

[fatak]

Now I know who you remind me of.........

You are the Howard Stern of Oman..........cool

Anyway........thanks for the real deal DEAL on Oman......no frills style!!!!

You be the hardcore Home boy of the Ruwi!!!!!

BTW....what was I supposed to answer?

Cheers
fatak

[Arabian Princess]

Fishfood, which war you are talking about?????
Islam came to erase all the diffrences in races and colors. If you dont want to be like that, dont connect anthing you do with Islam please!!!

Back to the discussion and please I dont want to see any raciest and biased comment here, if you wanna prove your point go ahead but use logic not insults.

[Nimr Mal Zibala]

Noone is ansering my questions!!!!! As soon as i ask reasonable questions you all know that MY theory is CORRECT and YOU ARE WRONG.
SAY IT! Tell me about economy and foreigners in economic TERMS, u cant just say things like
"If it wasnt for foreigners this country will fall apart"
Statements like that is a generalisation which can not be proven. Asnwwer me using economic indicators WHAT IS SO GREAT ABOUT THIS ECONOMY

[Orion]

If you took all the western expats, unskilled laborers, and rest of the foreign workforce out of oman tommorow ...

The country would fall apart and come to a standstill... in fact I'm pretty sure would have some sort low-level anarchy.

If you look western markets... (and eastern one's for that matter) the successful economic model usually have lower paid unskilled migrant workers and higher paid skilled-technical workers to fill the gaps in running the economy/country.

I'm willing to back up what I said? What do you have trouble understanding?

[Nimr Mal Zibala]

why will the economy fall apart how will it effect teh economy, and use economic indicators to prove your argument, I however have alreayd [proven that foreginers are a waste of time here, u on the other hand can not even come up with one thing to refute my statements nor can u come up with a economic view on your own statements. SO dont talk kachara and put evil wrong thoughts in our heads.

EXPATS OUT OMANIS IN EXPATS OUT OMANIS IN

[Seham]

Originally posted by fishfood21
This is my religion now:
RAcist Islamist Anti-Fundamentalist Lynching GAng leader of foreign ppl.
Is that a new religion Fishfood21 or are you planning on inventing one!

And going back to the main question, "Oman's economy and foreigners" ......
ok Fishfood21 I will ask a question and you reply:
1. If you get sick and need to go to the hospital who will treat you?
Answer this question with a "simple answer" and without bringing any other topics with it please so I don't get confused with what you are trying to say! So I will wait!

[Nimr Mal Zibala]

Since i have doctors who are related no need for Indian Docters . Do u think there are no Omani doctors here or what ? Pfft Still no good one point to say hindus are any good. Anyway docotrs dont deal help business econiomics that much they are more to do with social benefits and costs to society.

Fishfood, please do not use insulting words to anyone, this time I will edit next time you will get a warning (remmber you have one already)

[Seham]

I know that there are Omani doctors "duh"! What I mean is there are not enough to cope with all the Omani population! Therefore, we do need the foreigners! So I would come "n" haunt you if something happened to any of my family and no doctor could attend to them because Fishfood21 thinks we don't need foreigners!

[Quick Silver]

Ooo Mr respect others!!!!
Edited By Thugy

[Orion]

Man... where do you come off saying that??? :fire:

[Quick Silver]

where do I come off saying that!!!!!!!!!!!!!! well the subject is all over Oman.....

[Orion]

Originally posted by M5
where do I come off saying that!!!!!!!!!!!!!! well the subject is all over Oman.....

And you feel you need to share that with us...

[Nimr Mal Zibala]

U still have not told me anything good about foreigners in relation to the naional economy.

[Seham]

Well, it is hard to tell you anything when you shut down all your sensory receptors!

[Nimr Mal Zibala]

Can you tell em what you said cuz it got edited before i read it ? Say in "nice sugary" way

[Equality]

Sis/ Bro Salam,

let to be away of personal touches now, and lets back to our subjects, please fishfood21, seham and our moderator Arabian princess your comment are very objective and valiable keep up.

I do agree with Seham that we still need foriegners in oue way of development, but on the management and on the decision makers to hire an omani along with the foriener, work together and main job of the foriegner is to transfer the technology to the Omani to take over after certain time, most of the foriegners do not want to teach the omani becuase they know if they do so, they go back to their countries soon.

For example if i hire a foriegn engineer, i should at same time hire an omani engineer with him, and based on time of this foriener to work in Oman let say one year he should teach the omani the technology, this should be clear to all managers, foreigners, omanies counterparts and the incharge public sector (human power) and should be officially stated and written.

[Arabian Princess]

Samaki,
I do agree totally with you. The Issue is not on that we dont need forigners, the issue on how to develop our country and our economy on how to be less dependant on forginers.

I will give a clear exaple, I heard (dont know if the source was relaible, am just sharig what I heared) that after 10 years we will have enough teachers and the teachers collages along with the ministry of education would not gurntee a job for the graduates. Ok from a side thats bad, but that gives an indication that the replacment of forgien teachers is right on the way.

I think developing the Human resources is the key teh issue here. This development goes in differnt areas not only on the acadmic area. We should encourage our youths to be more educated and explore the wide world infront of them in the right way. We can buy technology, but we have to learn how to use it.

[Equality]

Thanks Princesa, for the example, but still we have another problems realted with this subject.
eventhough, there are omani human resources, however the decisions makers currently and occasionally are less educated. but i believe there will be areplacement in the near future. i mean how can be your boss is let say undergraduate and you are holding a phd, especially in the field of science. this is unfair.
in short, we must, as a human resource, to have self confidence, and our bosses and the decision makers must fully trust us even if we do a misstake we will learn from it and we can do it again. In Oman if you do one misstake as Omani they will try to blame you a hundred times, to destroy your ecouragement and your planning.

[Arabian Princess]

True samaki, it is important to get as much as education as u can. But you cannot say that you should fel less confident if your boss is less educated (with certificates) than you. After all, he must have worked for years to reach that level so he does deserve the position.
Plus, slowly people at top level are people with high cert. I beleive that in the coming years (let say 10 - 20 years) you would see the whole situation change.

[Seham]

Originally posted by samaki
i mean how can be your boss is let say undergraduate and you are holding a phd, especially in the field of science. this is unfair
I am sorry Samaki, I have to disagree with you in relation to this statement. As AP said, experience has a major role to "professional development" besides "academic qualifications". And what I mean you might have the highest degrees and qualifications but professionally incompetent.
As for your comment on employing a foreigner with an Omani for transfer of technology, I must say that in many cases the problem lies within the Omanis themselves. It is so hard to find Omanis willing to learn or be creative ..... from a foreign counterpart but rather .... they want to be "fed" the information rather than trying hard to know it!

[Equality]

thanks Seham for your points,

when i said about qualification, i have mentioned the field of science,For example i am an engineers holding phd in the fiels of agriculture, and i am working in the field of research and my boss is less qualification. i mean all research centers in Oman must be directed based on the qulification and experience in the scientific research. other field or out of science i can be totally agree with you, it will depend on the qualification and experience.

The other point we disscussed about Omanies, you know why , because they are not informed for the replacement, also the management should inform the foriehner about his job desciption which include the training of the omani to take his place after let say one year. but usually the management does not inform in one side, and the other side the foriegner wont train the omani simply because he would like to stay longer time in oman.
The most important thing is to have a scheduled planning for a certain period of time. and make clear who is he and what he is going to be.

[Arabian Princess]

Samaki,
If an Omani was informed that after a year he will be taking a certain position, I gurntee you that many of them will take it for granted and would not work hard enough to prove themselves able to take the position.

I am not aginst Omanis as it might apear too, but what I want to say that we Omanis should work hard to show that we are relaiable. We have the reputation of being lazy (which is sometimes true) and we should clear that reputation off and make the slogan " Omanis are capabale".

[Quick Silver]

Originally posted by Arabian Princess
We have the reputation of being lazy (which is sometimes true) and we should clear that reputation off and make the slogan " Omanis are capabale".

where did you get that from???? we!!! lazy!!!! :angre:

[oldtimer45]

No of need racist foul language!!!, the government must get its priorities right, invest more in your children,give relevant education to the children for the employment market and replace unessential foreign workers in course of time, it can be done in short time , say 10 years, proffesor of human resources in the far east agreed with me. There are many omani waiters/dish washer/room girls etc. in the hotels but I was amazed to meet foreign waiter at ruwi novotel who could not speak english or arabic. in another hotel a foreign waiter who was christian from india did not bother to inform the muslim customer at the break fast buffet that there was pork even after the customer asked specificaly whether that particular meat was a pork, I had to inform the customer as the customer could not read english.
But I will also ask a question who was buliding houses/doing farming/washing toilets/digging diches/selling vetables before 1970 before the foreigners came???
:cool:

[Seham]

Originally posted by oldtimer45
But I will also ask a question who was buliding houses/doing farming/washing toilets/digging diches/selling vetables before 1970 before the foreigners came??? :cool:
Building houses?? I thought most lived in tents in the desert, at that time!
Washing toilets?? There were no toilets!
Selling vegetables .... well they had no other job ....

[Equality]

Good and short Answer Seham.

Oman in 60s and 70s, they were living in a very limit, and the life cost was not like now, and all help each other, now every one is busy, and have modern house car and this is the life, dont cry for the past just give the past a wide smile ans say Subhana Allah.

[Arabian Princess]

Oldtimer,
I agree with everything you said and it is amazing that the forgine worker hired did not meet the qualification, but why he was hired???
Let me tell you something, if I were a business man, it is always chearper to bring labor from outside. I will get a huge varaity and I will pay less and the end. BUT, as an Omani business man you should not only see whats cheaper, but work with the government to help develop Oman's Human Resources.
I dont blame the government for the hired forgien worker, I blame the person who owns the place who could play around with the rules just to make it easier for him.

Another incident, I was in Matrah Market and I enterd the shop where there two salespeaople. One is wearing trouses and a shirt and the other one is wearing a dishdasha. Ofcourse the first impression about teh one wearing the dishdasha that he is an Omani. NO he was not. Well I dont know why was he doing that, but I remmber once talking to a friend of mine who owns a shop and she told me that you cannot have two forign salespeople in a shop, one of the must be an Omani. Maybe (and am only saying maybe, I dont know the truth) the owner of shop wanted to go over the rules and pretended that the shopkeper is an Omani???

[Orion]

Ok, I've heard alot of good arguements both ways...

but the question still sticks... what if you can still get someone who works harder, is more intelligent, costs less and not Omani?

You got to live in the real world with real competition.

[Nimr Mal Zibala]

Who was selling vegetables, building, cleaning etc etc... before 1970?
Have you forgotten that Oman used to have an EMPIRE? We used bring in our own food, work the slaves on the farms, and even used to clean ourselves or the slaves did it. Slavery was wonderful and shoyuld still be around in my opinion.
The british scum come along and see what a good thing we have going on and put thoughts into those negroes that freedom is some kind of heavenly gift from the gods and that they must revolt agaisnt the evil arabs who enslave them.
NOW look at Africa Tanzania ,what a pathetic economy and lifestyle they lead. After the british and the jews incited a revolt who did they put in charge to be president (freedom yea? How is it freedom when you are putting in your own leader-but thats another story) THEY PUT A FRIKIN GUY WHO USED TO WORK AS A CARRIER BOY IN THE PORT? Gawd
Then things went bad and HM took over in 1970, once again in order to develop the country borders had to be opened for people to come back and for workers to come, like the people who own that store called Khimji Megastore (no names mentioned) and their likes
These peoples came along with their indian mafia and slowly took over the job market by offering low quality cheap cost services and goods. Shure indians can build houses but can they offer decent customer service, high quality sales services NO.
Anyway im tired and can't be bothered to strengthen this point with my superior intellect and writing abilities to you LAMENS


In conclusion you say another 10 years ? ITS BEEN 30 YEARS ALREADY AND LOCALS CANNOT GET JOBS! WT HECK is wrong with you? Another 10 years will ebcome another ten years and so on, just like our famous 5 year plans which never seem to finish in 5 years. You will all be crying in the future when this economy dries up or most likely being the abrupt unthinking Omani arabs as you are, you will probably all go on some pointless Riot and get arrested, then you will be really crying....

The problem is, it is time to stop these foreing "consultants" coming in on the basis of trainging. We have plenty of educated and experienced people, it is time we started learning and making our own mistakes by ourselves not brining in these foreing bilge and making more problems and stealing from us.

[Arabian Princess]

Fishfood,
in your post you mixed up alot of things.
Lets talk about the Arabs in Tanzania, yes it was concured by the arabs (we dont say that the arabs did not devlop the country to be a rich and developed country, but we are just coming to the conclusion.)
Zanzibar is an African Island and when we arabs are claiming for Palastie, they had thier right to claim for thier land. NOw, thier means were wrong and thier attituited did not bring any good to the country but we are talking about the fact that it used to be an African country.
Your statment that slavery was a good thing, common, you never know maybe if slavery was still existing your family or my family would be slaves for another tribe. The tribilism and the system of slavery has alot of hate and wars, we are definatly better off without them!

When it comes to the people who own Khimji Mega stores, thier families were here in Oman 200 years back, they have trade in Oman even more than some Omani's themselves. Why do we still look at them as forginers?!!
One thing thats good in Oman's legal system that whoever has the passport is fully an Omani (wether you like it or not) and he has the right to operate his busineses in the country freely.

Fishfood, I call for you to look byond the narrow window you are looking from. blaming forigners for everything wont solve any economic prblem at all.

[oldtimer45]

Alot has been said. some of you have mixed different isssues in the matter.First let me tell Siham that omanis were not living in tents before 1970, do you care to find out??
Arabian princess regarding unqualified/illiterate foreign manpower, the private sector is to blamed,most private sector management is in the hands of non omanis,the food& bev manager is a foreigner, he is the person who goes to his country of origin to recruit,he normally recruits staff from his family, his ethnic community, his cast, his religion because people out side his race,cast,creed and religion " are less intelligent" so he believes; when is in his country of orgin for recruitment the manpower agent gives bakhshish to the recruitor , quality of the recruit comes second, when the recruit comes to muscat is covered by his immediate manager who recruited him sometimes he demands some percentage of his salary for 2 years.
We will keep blaming the Govt. until omanis have a say in running of the Govt, unless the govt. is elected, and they are free opnion polls by the media.
The labour dept.or Govt. manpower agency should form a committee to re interview non omanis working in oman through different methods, to begin with suprise spot checks interviews, the machanism can be worked out without interupting work progress.
More legislation is needed to protect an employee in oman whether local or foreign, this can be done only through freely elected MPs.majlis shura candidates are not free to speak those who spoke got sacked.
YES, oman can run its own country/economy without foreigners. we might need only half a dozen here and there.

"IT IS NOT IGNORANCE NOT TO KNOW ABOUT SOMETHING BUT IT IS IGNORANCE NOT TO KNOW WHERE TO REFER ABOUT SOMETHING"

[Arabian Princess]

Old Timer,
you entered alot of issues too n here. You called for a free "Majlis Alshura". I beleive that this Majlis could have brought better results but Omanis themselves chose to make it a triable issue more than an election issue. It became as a "post" that tribes within one willaya would fight for, instead a post where the most eligable in that wilaya would take it. (thats another issue not related to the original post, so I think we should not discuss it more in this topic)

Now coming to the illiterate manpower. I dont blame the govt. I blame the irresponsible Omani's who keep on bringing those man power and keep them roaming around in Oman. What do you prfer, a legalised man power where is bound with a contract and his services are used accordingly, or a labror who roam around Oman every day preforming a duty and at the end of the mounth he has to pay his employer (who has no idea how did he get the money) a no. of rials?? Dont tell me you are blaming the Forgien Business man here?!!
It is us Omanis who are not responsible enough. We have to start taking responsibilty before we start pointing at anyone. Why we are so dependant on the govt??? you claim because it is not an elected one, but I find that has no relation to the fact that if we want a better Oman, we have to take care of it ourselves.

I would love to see Omanis working everywhere. In fact, I wish we dont need forigners at all. BUt that would cannot be done, especially now. We have to face reality, Yes we are capable, but we do not have the experience and the capacity enough to fill in all the spaces filled by forigners now.

[Seham]

I totally agree with AP, we Omanis seem to have a problem with blaming others .... when we as individuals do not try our best to solve the main problem!
However, Oldtimer45 ..... u do have a valid point ... which we were trying to make clear from the begining "we do need foreigners" now or later .... now the country needs them to develop the "young country" ...... and later "for variablity and introduction of new ideas"!! But may be we all agree that in certain fields (not all fields) ... the number of foreigners should be lower than it currently is.

[Nimr Mal Zibala]

I blame you all arabs foreigners but mostly i blame INJUNS
Secondly what kind of Omani is one who has huge companies and indians majority of 90% = Khimji Megastore (don't know who the owner is)

[Nimr Mal Zibala]

I support these agencies that have come to Oman to recruit (EXPATS ONLY) to work outside or live abroad, and for gods sake stop posting job ads that have already been taking by INDIANS and i encourage you all to pursue a betterlife in Canada Australia or New Zealand, after all you don't need to be within a certain mafia in those countries to make a decent living.......
by law in these open economies all individuals (including indians) are bound to make a decent income and good standard of living etc etc...
For example,
Young Omani wanted with 10 years experience to work in Omantel this translated to
1 cheap Indian no experience required only 1 certificate

WHAT A JOKE
Go SEE THE OMANTEL WEBSITE and the newspaper classifieds.

SALES ENGINEER TO SELL LIGHTS ??????? DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE ? What engineer will be a salesman for light bulbs?
Allow me to answer that , AN INDIAN only

DISGUSTING
"Good day ultimately i will be having to break your spectacles and your good name sir"

[Seham]

Fishfood21,
Do u know that about 70% of expatriates in Oman are either ... servants in the house or builders of houses or street sweepers. Now only may be 30% occupy relevant positions in Oman and usually these are occupied by specialised people who Omanis haven't reached that level of specialisation.

[Arabian Princess]

Fishfood,
when you are in canada, you will be seen as an expat !!! well who knows maybe you would be treated the same way you are treatinf forigners now!!
Why dont you go ahead to canda and tell us what it feels to be treated like that?!

[Quick Silver]

Originally posted by Seham
Fishfood21,
Do u know that about 70% of expatriates in Oman are either ... servants in the house or builders of houses or street sweepers. Now only may be 30% occupy relevant positions in Oman and usually these are occupied by specialised people who Omanis haven't reached that level of specialisation.


if your precentages were right...... don't you think that 30% is pretty high..... and do you think that good number of citizens in oman don't have the managerial skills and the leadership aspects to entitle them to fill those positions that the 30% equire?!!!

[Desert_Sloath]

Please 'Wananchi' don't rush the replacement of expatriates. The country still needs their experiences. We can not afford to replace an expatriate by an Omani simply on the basis of educational background without proper experteese and spirits.

Education alone is not every thing. One needs experience background to be able to offer. Any graduate is crude by nature, what so ever his nationality may be.

There is no country that has prospered without the contribution of the expatriates. So let the replacement take place on natural process.


__________________________________________________ _

Do not ask what your country has done for you
But ask what have you done for your country

[Nimr Mal Zibala]

not in CAnada where there is more coloured people than white DEVILS

[Fantasia]

Originally posted by Nimr Mal Zibala
I WILL BE RACIST,
why not ? You think indians dont have racist words for us ? You think the white devil doesnt SCOFF at us for being so pathetic?
When the words ARAB=Human and not ARAB=TErrorist tehn i will stop my racism.

My perfect view of civilisation is for me to be the ruler of the world and everyone to be tanned medium rare like me. No niggas, ragheads, hindus, pakis, honky, crackers, devil aND DEFINELTY NO COW WORSHIPERS.

And since Hindus are considered KAFIR which is a bigger insult than stinking smelly indian chap i think i am being quite lenient, Considering this still is an ARAB/muslim chat forum. Good day, ultimately when your spectacles are broken you will truly understand my good name sir!

OH AND STILL NO REPLY TO MY QUESTIONS ON WAHT IS GOOD ABOTU THE KEY POINTS OF THIS ECONOMY:
Employment
Inflation
Prices
Improt/Export
blah blah etc ertc etc

DONT GO OFF SUBJECT AY? OR AT LEAST ADMIT I AM 110% RIGHT IN MY ARGUMETN AND U SURRENDER TO MY DICTATORSHIP REGMIE OF BURNING FOREIGNERS AND KILLING COWS FOR LUNCH!


PS If anyone would like to join MY ILF club i already have 15 members. I am the leader of the INDIAND LIBERATION CLUB WE SHALL FREE ALL BINDUS FROM THEIR JOBS- and if tehy don't go willingly OUT COME THE BURNING CROSSES AND HOODED ROBES!!!!!

You have some great ideas concerning the business world, and I do agree some of your points. HAVE YOU EVER TRIED TO APPLY FOR A JOB WITH THE OMANI GOVERNMENT, PERHAPS IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE OR MINISTRY OF LABOR. I encourage you to get a job where your "wake up and smell the coffee" points will be more an awakening call to the government of Oman. I'm not trying to instigate in your mind to be a rebel..... but if you see injustice done to your fellowmen, STAND UP FOR THEM if you really care for your people. It would be a shame if you don't use your great ideas for a COMMON GOOD CAUSE. But don't be a racist, because God/Allah was never a racist and He is in fact the creator. Keep that in mind.

[Fantasia]

stop for a minute there!!!! -

first of all, your opinions are great and brainstorming. HOWEVER, has it ever crossed your mind that the country of Oman became what it is now because His Majesty, the Sultan, went to study abroad and brought with him back to Oman good ideas for his country and he introduced those ideas. Oman started to be known in the map. But was His Majesty ever a racist? I DONT THINK SO! He gave everyone the chance and the opportunity to progress and help build the country. So before we start attacking the foreigners, why not try to write a letter to His Majesty, the Sultan of Oman. Perhaps he could give us a better answer. Those who are very aggressive to this topic and you know who you are, why not bring your gripes and concerns directly to the Sultan, if that's how tough and aggressive you are. Or why not run an office for the government of Oman. By the way, Oman do have elections for government officials, right?

[Nimr Mal Zibala]

this is too much old topic and i grow weary
Good Day
and Bless the Sharroooon and Vajpayee

[Shakoosh Kabir]

Have you forgotten that Oman used to have an EMPIRE? We used bring in our own food, work the slaves on the farms, and even used to clean ourselves or the slaves did it. Slavery was wonderful and should still be around in my opinion.


I take it you are a satirist, if not then you are a reactionary fool. Just as well my country came along and sorted out the situation. Foreign immigrants have always made a big contribution to the economies of the West and Britain has been Oman´s strongest supporter since your Sultan began his renaissance. Britain has always been Oman´s backer, which is why you are always made to feel so welcome. Having said that, it is surprising that most of those who come to Britain and make a success of their enterprise come from.......................India.

[Nimr Mal Zibala]

U are speaking from your backside where the verbal drivel never stops. Please don't regurgitate past political strategical british colonial tripe which we already know. Now look at you, bush's lackeys

[Seham]

It would very useful to have an intellectual discussion of solving this problem Nimr!!

[Seham]

Just for the record!!
There are about 700 thousand foreigners in Oman
- 1% have a PhD
- 2% have a BSc/BA
- 4 % have a diploma
The rest are below that!!!

[IceTea]

Do u have some records on their natonalities, I believe 85 % of them are Indians if I'm not mistaken.

[Wisdom Seeker]

to Nimr Mal Zibala
I want to reply to what u said about how it is ok to have as much kids as possible.
Don’t be mistaken with what the profit said about him having to be a source of pride to him in judgment day. When he said that, he meant that we can't decide not to have kids. God gave us the brains to think and to interrupt what words mean. If what the profit says is directly sent to him from god then he is logically saying what god wants us to do. When god associated sex with having kids which we discovered is the source for fertilizing the egg that is located in the womb of the woman, then god wanted us to know the mechanics for reproduction. So by showing us the means to do so he is giving us the ability to control it. At a recent study which took place in the some western country it was found that in order to raise a child and to give him the appropriate nourishments to grow and the right education that would be his weapon in this competitive world, parents would need 200000$ for every kid. This is done with the living standards of the western countries. If we would take that and apply it to our living standards we will need more than that. How can I expect to provide everything my kid will need if I have a low income? When a person came to visit the profit he asked him whether he should tie his donkey and then to depend on Allah for protecting the donkey or should he just leave the donkey with out tying and depend on Allah? The profit –peace be upon him- said that the guy should tie the donkey then depend on Allah. What the profit ordered can never be interpreted as low faith in Allah. If care is applied here in protecting person's belongings why wouldn't it be applied in how many kids a person should have? We all know that Allah is responsible for their future but Allah was also responsible for the safety of the donkey, but Mohammed –peace be upon him- told the person to apply his side of safety regulation then to depend on Allah. In conclusion, we are all responsible to apply and use the brains that were granted to us by the maker of all the universe and its beyond.

[Seham]

Originally posted by Nimr Mal Zibala
4) Having ten-15 kids, wat is wrong with that ? Didnt prophet Miohammed say have lots of kids ? Oh wait let me guess you've lost faith in religion now. Whats wrong with having lots of kids ? Apart from thats what our culture and religion is about, there is nuthing wrong at all with having lots of kids. The more the merrier. Just as long as they can get edcated and find jobs, which would be possible if there were no god****ed foreginers here.
Wisdom_Seeker,
I think you were referring to the above part in relation to Nimr's respond ... it is useful to quote it! Because we are talking here about Oman's Economy and Foreigners. It would be useful if you tell us your point of view in this regard.
However, I must say you have a very interesting point there about having kids ... and the cost of their upbringing... it is very true... you are wise ... WisdomSeeker!

IceTea,
No, I don't have any idea about their nationalities.

[Wisdom Seeker]

Ok Seham I am sorry for not quoting what he said about having kids. But u should know that this is my second day for me in this amazing place.

[Bimzoori]

welcome to Sabla Wisdom seeker!

Enjoy your stay..

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[Wisdom Seeker]

racisim is an ugly thing which seperates between humans just because they look different. I'm not against racisem, because it can bring some good. We should be recist to those carrying the thoughts that seperate our society. I love to see all my fellow citizens working in every side of this country. the catch here is not to kick the foriners out without an excuse but to force them out by gaining the neccery knowledge in order to out run them. now this knowledge can be gained only from foriners, so lets treat them well inorder to get what we need then to keep yreating them good because they tought us. All the solution are available in Islamic teachings. We need to go back and feed out brains with the everlasting knowledge of our beloved Islam.

[Seham]

I apologize for being tough on you Wisdon_Seeker and thank you again for your comments! and thank you Bimizoori for your "inqaath" (= support!!)..

[.:JaMaL:.]

well all i can say is if we say that the average amount of money sent abroad by the forigners in Oman is about OMR 200 per month and if we round up the figure of the total forign population to 700,000 then think of it this way.

OMR 200 x 700'000 = OMR 140'000'000 ( 140 million ) yep thats the amount of lost money per month so per year it would equal to OMR 1'680'000'000 ( 1.68 billion ) bearing in mind that most of these jobs can be done by Omanis

now you can really say OUCH ( i think u multiplay in 3.8 to change these figures to U.S dollars)

[Seham]

Thank you Jamal for your contribution! Can I just correct your fiqure. It is true there are 700,000 but if you notice from the % of foreigners with higer qualification from the above there are only 1% people with a PhD i.e. 7000, as this group only might be recieving high income and may consider savings of R.O 200 per month so I would drop 2 zeros from the above fiqure! People with a BSc and below are unlikely to recieve a good salary to send R.O 200 back home.... and as previously said the majority of foreigners are laborers i.e. there salary is below R.O 100! Another very well known fact in economy is:"If your income increases your expenditure increases but your savings stay the same" ... so I think the fiqure is well below your estimation!

[Nimr Mal Zibala]

For the religious fellow seeking himself
I agree dont have too much kids its stupid.
For the Anti-Indians
Indians are the best and if it wasnt for them we'd be running around like headless chickens
For the Pro-Indians
Don't get caught
For the Muttawas
You all suck, you all say different things, you only think what you think is the right way, you are teh biggest hypocrites i have ever laid my eyes on and you make me sick
For the Omani's
Boy are you the most uselss people i ever had to spend my life with. You hate each other, you are all hassid people, the nice people are just nice and can't do anything to improve the situation
For the sinners out there
Keep on doing what you're doing, cuz hopefully one day you'll be in charge of this mess.
Happy Hunting

[Arabian Princess]

Nimir mal Zibala,
on what bases you judge people, because you think you are right???
We are here to share ur opinion, ou opinion might not change anything you beleive in but at least will show you that people might think in a differnet way than you think!!
ANy way back to the topic, Well Jamal we all agree with you that we want Omanis to work. But it woulnd not be right to replace people in jobs where omanis need mroe experience in. I wont say that Omanis are not qualified, but they need the experience and thats what we are mostly getting from forginers (with high wages).

[Nimr Mal Zibala]

AP quoted
I wont say that Omanis are not qualified, but they need the experience and thats what we are mostly getting from forginers (with high wages).

We have already discussed this over and over and u really are streching out the topic too much now.

Omanis have 30 yaers experience being independent-how long do you think they need? 100 years? God the naivety in this place makes me sick SICK I SAY

[Arabian Princess]

Excuse me fishfood, those 30 years are nothing!!
first, not everyone at that time beleived that education was something important. People would get a 4th grade class and go and look for a job coz they could get it easily. Few of them who realy beleived they should get thier degrees and higher education degeres.

[Seham]

I'd say we need 500 years!