Virginity ...

[IceTea]

If we take a comparison between a muslim and non muslim women on the issue of virginity before getting officialy married. We will see that:

for muslim women
Virginity is the most important thing the woman have and will do her best to keep her self protected and untouched until she gets married. And she will be proud that she was able to protect her self all the past years and give it as a gift to her husband only. What is good than this gift for the man.

for non muslim women
Virginity is somtehing normal and dosen't have any special meaning to her. So you will find that after the girl reach 18 years old will be happy that reach this age. So she will start to find a boyfriend and start dating until she lose her virginity and feel like a women. And her parents will help her to do this. Now when she get married after many many relations with many men, what she will offer her husband. The man will just marry a used woman, is this something men will be proud of ?

[Mr Tickle]

1) What is a Muslim woman 'protecting' herself from?

2) "Virginity is somtehing normal and dosen't have any special meaning to her"
- rubbish

3) "And her parents will help her to do this"
- rubbish

[Equality]

Today's society is replete with powerful temptations. In America's society of the eighties, even parents start talking about boyfriends for their daughters and girlfriends for their sons. When they reach their teens, many parents even supply birth control means to their children. An alarming percentage of teen-agers are sexually active, even though they are not physiologically mature, and without any moral limitations.

Millions of illicit pregnancies and the tragedies associated with them, plus millions of tragic abortions, happen every month in the USA.
Among the results of this moral breakdown: unwanted and unsupported children, delinquent and irresponsible fathers, criminals who have no regard for people's lives or properties, millions of social misfits, incurable genital herpes, incurable genital warts, devastating syphilis and gonorrhea, dysplasia, the killer AIDS, and new diseases never known before.

What most people do not know is that this moral breakdown costs them dearly throughout their lives. For the only law that rules the world is God's law, and these flagrant violations of God's law cost them a lot of misery and problems.

The true believers who care about their children will advise them and remind them repeatedly and persistently to keep their chastity. This means staying a virgin until their wedding night, then staying loyal to one's spouse - never committing adultery - for their own happiness. God's advice to keep our chastity, before and after marriage, is for our own good. God is the one who controls our health, wealth, and happiness or misery.

[IceTea]

Comeon Pino :) u can give a better answer than this, I know the truth hurts, but u have to admit it.

[Mr Tickle]

please tell me what bookls you read about the west

they sound very entertaining

I challenge you to prove that all women in the west have a disregard for their virginity and that parents help them

it is laughable

in that case, all women in Islam are more unintelligent than men, have worse memories and are a 'tilth' for men to do what they will with them.

oh, and all Arabs smell, are sexist and are hot-headed

get the picture?

[Mr Tickle]

and if you don't like your wife - marry someone else

but only 4 - unlike Mohammed who was allowed more

next you will tell me that shooting stars are missiles that God throws at jinns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Equality]

Mr. pinnochio or whatever
first of all , we are talking about virginity, not polygamy, and you can just post here your believes or your religion believes or what is unclear for you, which in reality we are excited to read.

secondly, your information about polygamy in islam is completely wrong and i believe there is a thread about it here you can back to it and you can read carefully.

so dont rash in what you basically dont understand. or you can keep with respect silent.

[Arabian Princess]

Pino,
prove to us the opposite! Prove to us that there are less unwanted children, less women who are virgin and even less girls with boyfriends in the west than in the east!!

[Mr Tickle]

excuse me?

Ice Tea made a comment and I am challenging her on two specific issues

Her posting was racist

[sanwin25]

If the penalty is being buried upto the neck and stoned (with stones not too large to kill immediately and not too small to take forever) to death, it's not surprising there are less pregnancies outside marriage in your part of the world. Not that they don't exist, they are there, but fewer and well hidden.

Maybe that's why the arab women goes to India or the UK for the abortion. Maybe thats why hymen reconstructive surgery is such a big thing for the arab woman.

[Orion]

Take a very deep breathe Mr. P, before you decide to tread any further down the road you've taken. Take a very deep breathe...

Maybe IceTea initial post was harsh and stereotypical of the more promiscuous side of western society but he was just trying to kick start a discussion on the importance (or perceived importance) of chastity between Muslim and non-Muslim society... we don't all believe that western women (or women following other faiths) are of low moral value. We are all human beings with the same weaknesses and what happens in West happens in the East but the litmus test society usually takes (and maybe unfairly) is too look just at the prevalence of such activity...

More importantly,
though this post doesn't interest me, as few of them on the Sabla do, I just wish to remind you, Mr P, in this instance of patience, tolerance, and goodwill I extend to you is to remember other cultures and their norms and the Sabla Rules. Take time to choose you words wisely as those last two posts of yours are not very productive, and will only foster ill will. To quote you:


mr pinnochio
and if you don't like your wife - marry someone else

but only 4 - unlike Mohammed who was allowed more

next you will tell me that shooting stars are missiles that God throws at jinns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So, if you have any more ignorant criticism of our religion or our prophet. I'm sure you can find hundred of anti-muslim, anti-arab sites to post it on and find like-minded people to share yor views with.

Best wishes.

[Mr Tickle]

Orion,

Let me put you in the picture

I know more about Islam than you will ever know about christianity

I am not subject to sharia law - hence I am allowed to question the Koran and Mohammed without being executed

I have had many run-ins with Ice Tea - and if she makes ****ing and generic statements, I will reply in the same way.

I am looking forward to see you write such words about Ice Tea -

Incidentally, are you saying that Mohammed had less than 4 wives and that the Koran did not say that shooting stars are not missiles aimed at devils?

peace indeed

[Don Khaled]

Originally posted by IceTea


for non muslim women
Virginity is somtehing normal and dosen't have any special meaning to her. So you will find that after the girl reach 18 years old will be happy that reach this age. So she will start to find a boyfriend and start dating until she lose her virginity and feel like a women. And her parents will help her to do this. Now when she get married after many many relations with many men, what she will offer her husband. The man will just marry a used woman, is this something men will be proud of ?

Crap. You really did a bad racist statement. Do you mean "West ladies"? Because I know ALOT of christians in arabia, europe who would KILL thier daughters if they do anything, and even the girl tries to avoid that. Even in the bible, it's written it's not allowed to do it. Please don't generalise the west girls with other girls.

[Orion]

First off Mr. P, I advise you read my post again and little sink in your head... as I stated IceTea was harsh as you can see from Don Khaled reaction (it's completely understandable), but that's besides the point.

You not being subject to Sharia Law is also beside the point, remember where you're posting, and the location of this most of the site's populace.

And finally, your disdain to Islamic beliefs and your dripping sarcasm shows you're not willing to change your mind on whatever you believe (and I really don't care whatever you believe) no matter what arguement is presented before you so why do you bother to poke fun?

[Wanderer]

What's so special or important about virginity ?

How is a woman who had a lover less important ? I don't understand. My wife was married previously, so she certainly wasn't a virgin when I married her, but I can't possibly imagine that she is worth less or has less to offer me as a wife.

Just because a woman (or a man) had a lover doesn't mean she/he had 10, 20, 30 lovers, but I note, IceTea, that you seem to believe this.

We are free to do as we wish - be it to have lovers or not, and to look for a partner who has had lovers or not. That has not always been the case, but I'm glad we now have a choice.

My only expectation is that my wife not have any more lovers after she marries me ;) I'll do likewise.

[Mr Tickle]

Orion

Your words to Ice Tea were weak compared to your words to me

come back when you are older

Ice Tea,

When a man marries a second wife, must she be a virgin?

did Mohammed always marry virgins?

[4-ever-young]

Off topic..Pino ice tea is a HE...and i think that u should choose your words clearfuly when talking about issues and topics as senstive as this one

[Mr Tickle]

please address your remarks to Ice Tea

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by Orion
And finally, your disdain to Islamic beliefs and your dripping sarcasm shows you're not willing to change your mind on whatever you believe ... no matter what arguement is presented before you ...

Pino is hardly the right one to single out on this one. I'd say it's true of all the "locals" on this forum, Orion.

Disagree ?

[Enigma]

a gift??! I am a muslim and I certainly don't consider it a gift for my husband!
anyway, I don't think we should be stereotyping ALL the westerners that way, I grew up in america and that was definately not the case, nor is it now either.
and what do you mean used?? so what about a divorced woman or armila (widow) is she used too? a woman should not be judged by her virginity but by her personality, mohammed PBUH married several women only one who was a virgin Aisha radhi allah anha, and Mr. Pino mohammed married all these women to spread islam, besides he is not to be compared or is any other prophet, whether it be jesus or whoever to a normal human.
the prophets had a big responsibility and obligation and knowlage from allah we do not posess, they had mo3jizatt and a duty to spread allah's name especially mohammed who had all the people in the world to reach.

[Seham]

I totally agree with ur comment on muslim women ..... However, I totally disagree about ur comment of non-muslim women... some of my closest friends were European .... and to be frank with u .... they can have morals as strict as the muslims .... so I think u have made an unfair judgment of the non-muslim women and I always tell myself ....me as a human being have no right to judge another human being .... but God makes all the judgments!

[sanwin25]

And that my friends is the bottom line.

[IceTea]

Well I can see that a lot of hot discussion happend during my absence about this subject, which is good.

First of all Mr.Pino we know each other long time in the sabla and still I don't know why u call me she (maybe u drunk a lot when u posted that time ;) ) I'm he for your information and stick this fact in your small brain (just kidding) :cool:

Now about the main topic, maybe I have been a little harsh in my original post, but don't be too sensitive we are talking in general, which means also that even some muslim women lose their virginity before marraige as well. But the %age in the western and non muslim women is higher if we compare it.

And to answer Mr. Pino yes the parents help in some way their daughters to do it, how ? As far as I know when the girl reach 18 years old they encourage her leave home and to depend on herself, what do u call this, is it not some knid of assistance but indirect ? Alos they encourage the girl to have a boyfreind when she reach around 18 or less and they find it not normal if their daughter without a boyfreind at this age.

And who told u that when a muslim decide to marry a 2nd wife to be a virgin and even 1st wife, we are talking about losing virginity before marraige not after, so the man can marry a divorced woman for example, why not.

[IceTea]

This is an example how cheap is the virginity in the western world, but in different way !!!

[Precious]

have any one heard of rab3a al 3adawiya????

she lived in 3ahd al 3abasi she was a singer and play girl ever and evantully she became religious women and i belive some ppl might know about her and u can read her history

becoz she was a play girl obviously she lost her virginity during that time??? does it mean she cant get married and has to go and look for her virginty????

ppl make mistakes and if THE LORD can forgive why cant u guys forgive those girls who made mistakes????


ice tea, what would u prefer a wife with her fake virginty from hosptial or any place where they do now to cover it up, so u can celabrate it where in the reality she is the worse of another case who made a mistake and she regrates ever????

my dear their are some muslim girls who keep protecting their virjinty till the day she presents a gift to her husband as u mentioned before and then after that she is free, will u be able to knwo that if she is sleeping with someone else??? no u wont knwo u just know that she have given u a precious gift


BE REALISTIC U AND WHO EVER BEALIVES IN THIS ISSUE

[IceTea]

Precious, I can see that u didn't understand the whole subject. Its not only about virginity and its more than that its about adultry its about having childs without official father its about having disases from such per-marraige relations its about the society and people who you are living and sharing life with.

What I can see from your reply that its ok for the girl to have x number of boyfreinds and have sex with them. Do you think this is good and something the girl and her family to be proud of, forget about the person who is going to marry such girl and think about the issue behind it.

[shamsery]

Mr.P,
Please do not quote prophets name unnecessarily.

[shamsery]

Quote: “I know more about Islam than you will ever know about Christianity”Unquote.
Mr.P,
Would you write something on the composition of Old Testament of Bible please? That my help us to learn Bible.

[Precious]

i did undertsand every singel word u wrote but i belive u did mix stuff and u shoudnt be genralize, plus i dont agrre what muslim women do its against our religion and culture there many issure in the same boat but ppl still do it and u cant help it.



BE REALISTIC MY FRIEND AND WATCH WHATS GOIGN AROUND.

[Precious]

ONE MORE THING LET ME TELL U THE SIMILARITES OF WHAT U HAVE WRITEN IN THIS

So she will start to find a boyfriend and start dating until she lose her virginity and feel like a women. And her parents will help her to do this.

let me tell u the similraities, in above the non muslim parents will help her to do this either to look for a boyfriend or loose her virginty or whatever u meant. in some muslim parents will be forced to help the doughter who has lost her virginty by paying her opration to get her virginty back or sometimes pay for the cost of her abortion to make sure their sweet doughters doent lose her reputation when she gets married.


DONT U FIND SOME SIMILARITIES IN THAT ??? and belive me am against both but am just saying the truth and whats happing in our socity that ppl are neglacting it.... and i did notice some of the members who am sure read my post are neglacting it and has no answer for it COZ AM SAYING THE TRUTH

[Equality]

hi presious, well comeback,

i think you missed the idea of virginity of woman in islam, if you just go to the comperison or similarities you should know that , and let me tell by now islam in this matter is far away to compare, and i think try to compare western style with animals, with respect to all, and please read first and then juge.
your society accepts the idea of losing virginity , or in the other word the young girl has the right to lose her virginity any time any where and with any one, you can accept it for you sis, cousin for your whole family.
the virginity for a girl in your society has meaningless, she can sleep with any body she can meet any one in the disco or street or where ever and have sex as long as she likes right?, just to satesfy her sexual willing?

the similarities with animal, in part that animal can make sex any time any where and with any female animal from the same sex, to satisfy the willing and of course we diregard the viriginity.


In islam we are completely different, virginity is some thing special for a woman is a gift she should take care of it and to present it for her first hasbent.

Virgin maria (peace upon her), when god through the angle give her a gift that she will be pregnant with a pure son (Jesus) (peace upon him), the first question she asked Allah, She said: How shall I have a son, when no man has ever touched me (as ahusbent), and I am not unchaste (like what is going on in the western social life)?

In islam wife and husbent can not make sex in some occasions like during the ramadan or fasting days time, or when a woman has any problem like pmc and others, also islam teach us what is the good (preferance) times for makinfg sex, like at the middle night , not immediately after a big meal, or when you are exuhsted.
Islam teach us manners that is related to our daily life in every where begining in how to sleep, toilate, walking, eating drinking, sneezing, dressing, smiling, talking, working, visiting, making sex, cleaning, islam teach us all the manner related to the above activities .
your big mistak, is when you seperate the religion from your business life. there fore, you lost the manners, your lost the religion educations. you lost the viginity of all things

[IceTea]

Very well said samaki,

As you said what is the difference between animals and those type of women who don't care about their sexual behaviour and just doing it to satisfy their needs for sex with anybody and without limits.

[el7ilwa]

Actually u said every thing I wanted 2 say just I wanna add something I've heard it somewhere " there was amuslim man who was studying in a western country & he tried 2 study in a class which has no girls , but he didn't find so he studied in a class which is mix girls & boys.But he was a way from the girl & he tried not 2 treat with them, while the girls laughing at him cauz they think he is ediot & strang.Once they had discusion at the class & they had 2 set as group & he set near 1 of the girls but he tried not 2 look at her when they r discussing so his head was down as a respect,but the girl became angry from his way & she sweared him & all the muslims.She said that all the muslims treat the women ungently & they don't respect the woman as ahuman.After she finished he answerd her with a smile & told her we r the muslims treat our women better than u "the woman in our country is like the pearl we keep it in a safty place 2 protect it from the:6: , but in ur country the woman is like the siggaret it is move from hand 2 hand & the last man when he finish it through it 2 the ground & step on it:eek: " so what do u think about that?
The next day at the end of the class there was anew student she was a girl who coverd her self no like the other girls .She was the girl who said that Islam doesn't give the women their human rights (what she thinks it is a human right like going out & sleeping with any 1:sorry: )but at last she knew how Islam respect the women:color: .

[IceTea]

al 7ilwa nice post, This story shows the beauty of Islam and how it is treating women the way it should be, and not treating them as a sexual toy for fun and few minutes or hours pleasure. And now days we can see alot of people converting to Islam and espacially women, because they can see the how Islam is leading other religions in all aspects of life.

[el7ilwa]

Becauz we r right no body could or dare 2 post after us cauz they have no thing 2 say twards us isn't that right?:D .
So we won;) .

[Equality]

Allahu Ta'ala says:(translated)

: Deaf, dumb, and blind, (to islam) they will not return (to the path).

[IceTea]

Originally posted by el7ilwa
Becauz we r right no body could or dare 2 post after us cauz they have no thing 2 say twards us isn't that right?:D .
So we won;) .

You are right, who dare 2 post and what can they say, they know what their women are doing is wrong, but I don't know how they can accept such nasty things to happen. After the girl have a lot of experience with many guys for many years, they will decide to get married to hide thier shame and cover themselv's from what happend in the past and the cycle will repeat it self again.

[el7ilwa]

Just I have 1 Q 4 them if they really belive what they r saying.
If they think it is a good thing 4 their girls 2 have sex before marrige, so what the different between the (*****) [sorry 4 the word but it is necessary 2 show them the differeces]& their women is it that the other women doesn't take money like the *****es????!!!!!!!!
If u dare answer it.

[Talius Brute]

"we've won"
"if you dare answer it"

No my friends, wou have not won, Western women are free and are counted as human beings.
Islamic women are prisoners and are counted as possessions.

Which is better?

[el7ilwa]

What is ur proof that the muslims women r presoner ?just ask them 2 know their opinion which is much different than u said. I'm not saying that all of them 'll a gree with me but always there r ppl who have sick minds & don't know the best 4 them.
But if u ask me & ALL of my friends & relatives we feel so happy & comfotable cauz we r muslims ,& we have all the freedome 2 do what ever we want & 2 go where ever we like:color: .
So don't think if the bad relationships r not allow in our countries then we r not happy it is so stupid idea my dear & if u compare between our life & yours u 'll find that ur women r still facing many prbs on their sexual life.Also there r alot of accedents is happened 4 them at the streets & other places:confused: .So what does the unlimited freedome gave u?
At last just I wanna say that we r muslims women r sooooooo happy with our life:color: :) :D .
But u didn't answer the Q or u have no answer 4 it?;) :D

[Talius Brute]

I didn't see a question or I would have answered it, I apologise I have not read the whole thread. Perhaps you could repeat it?

I wonder why so many Islamic women are refugees to the West?

Sure, it is not right for women to sleep around, nor for men to, but it is better for people to have freedom to make their own mistakes.
Stoning women to death for committing adultery helps no-one.

[SoMe1]

TB,

Western women out there are the ones who want to have some respect or at least gain them, we muslims dont have any problem with the way we look or do things, i am a muslim lady i cover up and im very happy with the way i am, do you know why? coz i gain respect, its not the way i do things, its only the cover which makes people respect me i dont need to act or talk for them to understand it. with the cover i GAIN respect i dont need to ask for it.

do you know why out of 5 people who convert into islam 4 are women? its becuase of the respect Islam gives them, its something that they are looking for coz they are tired of being treated the way they are in your country which you call "Open mind people" thats something they are trying to get over with.

[SoMe1]

Their are arab women who come to your country and their are even more western women who come to the arab countires, these girls arabs who go to you, make them mistakes and come back realizing what kind of girls they are and what have they done to thier lives.

Islam is all about respect, a women is something that should not be touched and same goes to a man, if its forbiden for a women to sleep with a man other then her hubby then the same goes to the men, both would be punished the same on this earth or in the hereafter.

i heard on the BBC yesterday that most childeren cant even get to know their true fathers as thier mothers would have slept with 10 men at one go! how confusing is that to a child, growing up not knowing your dad, and perhaps ending up marrying your own sister!!

[Talius Brute]

That's not true (the Western women coming to Arab countries, except maybe with their husbands looking for work, or Phillipinos (who are Asian))


Simply put, I would rather a man, woman or child had the freedom to make mistakes themselves and not get stoned to death for it. Many people make mistakes when they are young and regret them later when they learn, but at least they have grown and experienced life.

[el7ilwa]

U proved what I said.
Mr Talius my Q was what is the different between the *****es & the other women in ur country cauz all of them r sleeping with different men or the different is that the other women don't take money from the men like the *****es so it is free??
Wow so they r cheaper than *****es:eyes: ?

[SoMe1]

TB i think you got it wrong some how, the person who gets stoned is a women or man who is already married but yet sleeps with another man, not for someone who is not married, why isent your hubby good enough for you? hell get a devorce then!!

[SoMe1]

Perhaps i should put you in the Islamic prospective.

If you have done a mistake of sleeping with someone who is not your wife/hubby and only if no one knew about it besides the two of you, and then you realize your mistake you shouldn’t go around telling people, as a matter of fact you should keep it to your self and just ask for forgiveness from allah and never do it again.

If someone knows that you have done it, then he/she has to come up with some other 3 people to prove that you have and they have to come up with solid prove, its not only like one would say yeah she has done it and then you go for the punishment.

Allah would forgive you if you have done something and regretted it. but what ever it should be never tell anyone about it at the end Islam is all about protecting a women, so this only should be between you and your lord and Allah is the most merciful.

What ever mistake committed and after wards realized the mistake ask allah for forgiveness and never repeat it again.

This thing about stoning or wiping is only when like you are busted in like a prostitution house “its pretty obvious you’ve done it!”

[Talius Brute]

Hmmm, the difference between the *****s and the other women is as you said, the *****s take money for sex.

Now if you are implying that all the other women sleep around then you are wrong, people maybe have 4 or 5 partners on average in their life time, most in long term relationships, and people get married later, in their thirties than they used to.

Is this a good thing? Well, the women are in control of their own lives, they are aboe to egt a good education and good jobs and to be successful, and they are able to marry the person they want to.

[SoMe1]

TB kindly read the last post of mine it would explain what is the islamic point of view regarding this issue

[Talius Brute]

Yes, I understand Some1,

I still think that it is better for people to be free.

[el7ilwa]

From a while u said let the ppl make mistackes so they 'll learn from it so u think this is a mistack not a freedome:gap: .

[Talius Brute]

Yes, but the important thing is the freedom to make the mistakes.

It is like the famous saying:

"I may not agree with what you say, but to your death I will defend your right to say it"

I don't agree with sleeping around a lot, it doesn't make people happy, but I am ****ed if I am going to stop people doing it.

[el7ilwa]

I think u missunderstand the meaning of freedome we r not free 2 do whatever we want there r customs & rules controle us so we r not completly free or the life will be a rainforst & the ppl 'll act like the wild animals:sorry: .

[Talius Brute]

I am misunderstanding nothing, it is those very same customs that you are wishing to imprison people with.
If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear and the customs stand for nothing.
It is an infantile superstition that virginity is thought a virtue and not the barrier that separates ignorance from knowledge

[Equality]

advice

bacuase the virginity and sex is cheap and nrmal in your society,
make sure that you are the son of your father.

[Talius Brute]

by definition I am the son of my father, how could I be otherwise?
Unless i don't have a father, which would be strange as I am assuming that even in the free West some combination of sperm and egg is required for reproduction.

[Equality]

you are right only by definition , please go and make some medical genetic check, i am sure if western country do such a check all your fathers are not real only in your birth card.

[Talius Brute]

Samaki, I know this is difficult for you, but I must be the son of my father, otherwise I have no father.

I think that what you are trying to say is for me to go and check that the man who I think is my father is really my father.

Words are improtant you know, it is a shame to get them wrong, still at least you are learning something.

[Equality]

i know he is your fatherby defintion, ok i will be more honoust with did you ever ask your mam or your dad about their boyfriends and girlfriends, try to ask and may you look like one of them, please believe you are living aroun a society which believe that sex is some thing normal and every one practice it either with or wothout wife.

[Talius Brute]

I know he is my father, but even if he wasn't what would I care,
surely who I am is more important?

[Equality]

if you think so, what is the difference with the animals:eyes:

[Talius Brute]

No difference, we are animals, unless you think we are plants?

Because I asure you we are not.

[Equality]

thanks to god finally you are convenved. but come on you better go fora medical check you might be derived from one of the famous historical charecter, or royal family or....you are nothing

[Talius Brute]

Oh, you think that it is important for someone to be descended from a famous person? That's interesting, tell me about that.

How does that make you feel? Are you angry that you are, as you said above, 'either derived from one of the famous historical charecter, or royal family or....you are nothing'?

[Equality]

that was my question to you, what do you feel, i mean you are smart, logic with scientific background see what i mean

[Talius Brute]

Oh, sorry I always though questions had some kind of interogative word to them.

Ah well, not to matter:

I don't care who I am descended from, it could be Mohammed or Joe Bloggs or Biggles, it don't matter to me.

I wonder why it should, to judge yourself solely on your ancestry is kinda limiting don't you think?

[Equality]

my point was that you dont care who your mather is or who you father is where you originated from. fair enough

[Talius Brute]

Of course I don't, why would I, what difference would it make?
I am who I am, there is no getting away from that, and if my parents were different, I would be someone else, there is no getting away from that either.

So, why does it bother you so much?

[Precious]

sorry for late replay samaki


u did missunderstood me but its ok i dont blame u and am not suprised :)

my dear dont give me lesons of isalm and all i know everyhting and maybe more then u do my father used to be shaikh so am well edicated in these things, but if u did get my point u woudnt replay what u have said.

NO ONE IS PERFECT, in preaf what am trying to say u r showing the perfect side of our women (al 3afifat) how about others?????? who am ta;lking about not even the westen women.... how about those muslim girls who play around with every singel men?? how about those who are some motahajibat their use the hijab to cover up thier ..........??? how about those girls who have splept with 100 guys and before thier marrige they do oporation so they can fool on thier husband with thier fake virginty and the husband thinks oww mama miya iv got the best here??????


my dear i always travel abrod and if u just see the arabian girls to be specific gulf girls what they are doing no doubt u wont be able to recognize them with westen women they drink smoke and end of the day they go and sleep with who ever comes in from of them and when they go back to their countries mashalh 3alihom 3al 7ishma as an angel.



samaki ice tea and who ever agaisnt this please dare me that we dont have those sort of girls in our socity who looks liek angels and they beahvior alh la ywarik


AM PROUD TO BE BORN AS A MUSLIM AND ITS SHAME TO HAVE THOSE SORT OF GIRLS AND WE CANT DENY IT AT ALLLLLLLLL

with respect PRECIOUS

[SoMe1]

Precious

Its very true that we have those kind of people in our society we aren’t all perfect even as Muslim’s!

TB, there is freedom in Islam and you surely have the freedom to pick your own life, you are just given the bad and good sides to what ever you wish to do its up to you to do whatever you want, mind you if you feel that you have done something wrong you can always repent it and ask for forgiveness as I said Allah is the most Merciful.

Now lets put it in another way, if a person kills he/she did it with his/her own will, no one forced them Hence it was a FREE option, they got busted! Shouldn’t they be punished? It’s the same when you rob someone or hurt another, shouldn’t you be punished? If free sex is allowed then why in your society do these people who are prostitutes get busted? Why do they punish them? Isn’t it a free country and you are just free to do whatever you wish?

[Equality]

salam precious,
i thought this topic will be continueing with talius, but since you just jumped on with your points which are unfortunately supported by your experience in other countries or what you have seen. Anyway, thats your problem and you can refer it to the social sabla where here is religion sabla, and the main point is to show the islamic view, not mr precious experince or view, what you have seen or what you have experienced keep it for your self, and since you were speaking on the religion and you might have full knowledge as you said more than me (which i hope so), i am very happy for you and hoping to lear more and more from you and thats we are here,. there fore i was expecting that you would bring some of what allah teach you and show it here for those people who dont believe in quraan. but sorry to shame to you, so tell me now did you protect the islam by your talking of course no you use your social view as a weapon to protect your religion and you just sticked on your experience.

this is a religion sabla and our subject is about the virginity , if you have some thing to say in islamic point of view you are wellcome if you have any comment realted to the religion on this subject you are also welcome but if you have nothing only to talk about girls in other arab country or your country show it in the social sabla. and i hve also many eexmple to tell.

Mr. Precious with respect to you and your knowledge on islam we as members are happy to listen to your islamic knowledge in any field . not to talk about your sisters in oman.

[el7ilwa]

But here we r talking about muslims women not arabic or gulf women & who r u talking about r not related 2 Islam at all :mad: .

[Precious]

Mr SAMAKI
when u give someone a view about islam u show them the whole picture not only one side of picture, are u telling me all who have said al shahada (muslims) goes to heaven?????

ofcoz they are who folow the right path of isalm and they are whose who dont ARE THEY EQUAL?????

dear samaki and all memebers when u want to tell someone about isalm u make sure to show them the real islam and what soem ppl are doing in behind so pl dont be confused???


why do we mulim have bad reputation ?????

what is isalm is based on and what some mulim are doing is complitly diffrent? U KNWO WHY??? coz we hiding our mistaks instead of showing them we r humen as them and we do mistaks..



By the way Mr samaki, isalm is based in everyhting ...social life, busines, and everyhting soo plzz dont guide me where to talk coz i belive am at the right place


MY DEAR when u teach someone about islam u should tell them that they are mulims who do wrong things or they will get confused by 7aram and halal ,,,,,


hope u got my point

[Precious]

But here we r talking about muslims women not arabic or gulf women & who r u talking about r not related 2 Islam at all .


excuse me madam, what do u mean by that????? am not sure if i got ur point

my dear if u think that arab and gulf women are not muslim then who are muslim womens?????

[Equality]

mr. precious, you just put your self beween the threads, those people who you said are want to learn islam are deaf blind and dumb, they reach to thepoint to talk badly about islam, alrassol his wives and then you come to talk about gulf and arab girls the bad side, you know you are waway of islam you might have a knowledge as thoery. those people who you defend them have been asked all theses questions many times and we have answered them but they dont want to learn not interested, so what do you think to do to tell them about gulf girls, hey wake up little please, and read all the threads then come to talk.

[Precious]

am sure what am doing here and am argueing with the wrong ppl.

where are the memebers who used to concider them selfs as winers??? i cant see thier posts any more:confused:

[SoMe1]

Dear All,

Not all muslims follow Islam that give the religion a bad name but does that mean its Islam? NO! Islam is something and muslims who are just born as muslims and do not practice or beleive in it are something else.

[Equality]

thanks somei, i realy in need of such relief, you are right, we were and still are trying to defen of islam, but some other muslim jump to tack their brothers under the name of islam, but i am really waiting from bro, precious to show them the at least the islam view.

[Precious]

SoMe1 alh ykathar min amthaaalik :)

[shamsery]

Refer to the thread Virginity by Ice Tea.
Illusive relation (sex without marriage) between man and woman in Islam is prohibited. Islam does not allow free sex. From a widow or divorcee you cannot expect virginity.
Please look at sexual rules of conducts in the Pentateuch (which is the Greek name for the five books of the Old Testament.). So much for the idea that the Bible condemns all sex outside of marriage too.

[fatak]

Who has free sex? I always get charged.......

That was in the 60's man.......but they called it Free love.......the crabs were throw in as a bonus.....

So I guess as long as you pay for it......it's ok?

I think they call it the oldest profession in the world.........besides stand up comedians.....mostly unemployed goat herders.

There used to be a brothel in every town in the old ancient world........

I wouldn't get so worked up about this topic......remember that the urge to mate is what keeps us alive......ever thought of it that way?

So get over it......regardless of what we should do......we are NOT 100% perfect, and there are 1000 things worse then just this...ya la la.....

Men are the out of control dogs, not the women......give em a break!!!

Besides I haven't met many ladies who can resist my Irish charm.....

cheers
fatak

[shamsery]

Dear Mr. Fatak,
You are up holding certain values. That’s the guiding force of your day-to-day life. It is no matter who is likes or dislikes. Only the thing that we can do, we can invite you to the correct path, which we believe and practice. It is your discretion you can accept it or to refuge it.
Yes, prostitution is the oldest profession of the world. What I wanted to mean by Free sex is sex in between friendly man and woman. Question of payment does not arise. If some one-visit brothel, I think there is nothing worst than it. Choice is yours.
Where is the problem to try to be a perfect man? If you try you can.

[Talius Brute]

Who is a virgin on this board?

[el7ilwa]

I meant by my post what some1 explaned 2 u so I have nothing 2 add.