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Am just wondering how the ES members here view the sects issue. Do you believe in your sect? How much do you know about it? Do you believe in all of its beliefs? Have you ever read about other Islamic sects? What do you think about them comapring to your sect?
Please share but away from attacking other sects. Just say what you think honestly and straight forward.
Lacrymosa
14-02-10, 07:43 PM
I'm not concerned with the sect as long as I know that what I'm following is right and reasonable.
i am sunia n yeah i totally believe in my sector and thanks lord i know what i have to know about it ... i did read about other sectors and comparing to my sectors i found my sector much more simple and clearer then the others :) ... with my respact to the other sectors.
I do understand and know my sect.
.. But in general, I don't 'really' believe in this sect thing at all.
I chose to become a Sunni.
Its teachings make me more comfortable.
Filly_Stiffler
14-02-10, 10:36 PM
well, i know a very little about my sect, i believe im not giving my sect enough rights, enough time to understand it more.
although it's like too much info that i have if im talkin to anyone about it
im totally believing in my sect.
if someone wants to know about his\her religion more, s\he should read the "real" books, and understand them well, the person shouldnt just read and ignore, but s\he should understand it, the right way not the way s\he is thinking... know what i mean?!
how many of you are bothered to pray in mosque? in askin what's halal n whats haram? all i see those days, careless people about religion side, jus tryna be cool!! know what i mean!
im not sayin im the religious one here, but i know enough n i ask alot
i know how to answer on what question, infact my younger brother knows how to, too
Soulless
14-02-10, 11:04 PM
praying like Abadhi's but my believes are still stuck in between 2 sects.
Abu Eliyas
15-02-10, 12:19 AM
really i do not care about that, what is more important is how am going to meet god in the ends...!
Do you believe in your sect?
Yes.
How much do you know about it?
Not a lot, but enough to know that it's the one for me.
Do you believe in all of its beliefs?
How can you answer such question? :os
Have you ever read about other Islamic sects?
Yes, but I would like to read more.
What do you think about them comparing to your sect?
I don't think anything. each person choose the one he/she is comfortable and at peace with.
Alhamask
12-03-10, 08:45 PM
Am just wondering how the ES members here view the sects issue.
When I think about 'sects', I think of the greater Imaams who the sects call them as their founders.
Do you believe in your sect?
I embrace everything as long as they teach the Quran & the Sunnah and reject anything outside these two foundations.
How much do you know about it?
The greater Imaams who the sects call them as founders, did not teach sectarianism, e.g., Imaam Abu Hanifa did not teach Hanafi, He only taught the Quran & the Sunnah - this much I know!
Have you ever read about other Islamic sects?
Yes! And I took whatever they taught of the Quran & the Sunnah.
What do you think about them comparing to your sect?
I compare the greater Imaams and see that some were better in the line of Hadith than the other, some were better in the commentary of the Quran than the other, etc etc. By this comparison, I see that truth existed in all of them.
Please share but away from attacking other sects. Just say what you think honestly and straight forward.
Honestly, my sect is that of the Prophet Muhammad (saw) because I follow the Quran & the Sunnah!
there is an authentic hadith which states that a time will come and Muslims will split up into 73 sects, 72 sects will enter hellfire and only one will enter heaven, and when the Prophet peace be upon him asked about that saved group or sect he replied they are the ones who follow my sunna and the way of my companions.
so have you really asked yourself which sect you belong to?
^ that Hadith is weak and I do not believe it is true.
And if it is true, then it's not fair, at all.
Alhamask
15-03-10, 05:43 AM
"Truth stands out clear from error.." (Quran: 2:256)
^ that Hadith is weak and I do not believe it is true.
And if it is true, then it's not fair, at all.
it's up to you Braiki if you believe it or not but the 73 sects hadith is not weak it's sahih and authentic.
may be Dr. al Qadri can explain this Hadith better than me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDqF1acPU1Y
Sunna Ibri Majah? Is that right? I can't hear him properly.
What's that? Never heard of it.
Do all sects regard it as sahih? All of it? Or just some?
M_N_S_S
15-03-10, 11:39 AM
I think it is kind of natural to have different sects, but the unnatural thing is to use this to generate hatred! I believe that we are all muslims, we all believe in the same god, book, prophet, rules ... etc, but we just disagree on things that are not from the base but from the branches! I am abadhi and I strongly believe in my sect but I also look at other sects as Muslim sects and all muslims as muslims. Most important, I do not hesitate to pray behind anyone from any sect!!!!! and this should sum it all up! WE ARE MUSLIMS!
Sunna Ibri Majah? Is that right? I can't hear him properly.
What's that? Never heard of it.
Do all sects regard it as sahih? All of it? Or just some?
Jeff you can get more information about that Hadith here:
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/90112/73%20sects
Anti_XXX
16-03-10, 05:18 PM
I know about my sect. I think :)
El Rey,
What about you!!
Angel_Eyes
16-03-10, 05:19 PM
I do not care about sects. I believe there is only one label which is 'Muslim'.
I believe in doing what is right and being kind to people, and as Abu Eliyas said, it's more important of how you're going to be judged some day.
I agree with Evil Eyes.
We are all the same, and how falan holds his hands when he prays is none of my business. In these small details I prefer to follow those around me so as not to cause any distraction.
Always practice safe sects.
Angel_Eyes
16-03-10, 05:35 PM
^ Thank you firfosa :p
And exactly, it really isn't a big deal as to which 'sect' you follow. It's just a waste of time.
I know about my sect. I think :)
El Rey,
What about you!!
Actually I do pray like Ibadhis. I read alot about them but I don't consider myself an Ibadhi. I take from each sect what I see matches with the sunnah and the holy quran or I take the whole point of views then I follow my heart. What just frustrates me that some people claim to follow a certain sect, they defend it like its their child and when you ask them some questions related to their sect they know NOTHING. Last month I had a hot discussion with a shite friend about the book *layali beshawar' ( Peshawar nights ) which is like a debate with other sects ( Sunnis ). And this guy was so sensitive that he started to curse and swear ( He's a friend so we took it easy lol ) and while discussing with him he started to see the logic of our discussion discovering that he almost doesn't know what was the book about and what it says but written by a shite imam.
My point is the sect thingy is just stupid and made for political reasons and we don't to attribute ourselves to someone we don't even know but read about. Islam started one and will always be one no matter how we all differ.
Yes Anti_XXX I read alot about sects and what they believe in but when I read I don't see a whole group believing in what their scholar believes in but some individuals that's why we shouldn't generalize when we talk about a certain sect. I do disagree alot with my Ibadhi friends. I do agree with some of my Sunni and she'is friends that's why there is no place for sects in my mind neither heart. It's just Islam.
Angel_Eyes
16-03-10, 05:57 PM
Actually I do pray like Ibadhis. I read alot about them but I don't consider myself an Ibadhi. I take from each sect what I see matches with the sunnah and the holy quran or I take the whole point of views then I follow my heart.
Likewise :yes:
Jeff you can get more information about that Hadith here:
http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/90112/73%20sects
Well, I don't know enough to evaluate the judgments of all the scholars listed in that answer, although I think the sheikh himself is a radical who believes things most Muslims don't believe.
But I did notice these facts:
1. The hadith appears in Abu Dawud's collection. As you know, that is not a pure sahih collection. It contains ahadith that range from weak to strong.
2. The sheikh DOES NOT TELL US what Abu Dawud's own rating is. He tells us that OTHER scholars have rated it strong. But not how Abu Dawud rates it.
3. He tells us of scholars who rate it as strong but not WHETHER THERE ARE ANY SCHOLARS WHO RATE IT OTHERWISE.
4. He does not discuss the isnad.
This strikes me as cynical and manipulative and I distrust scholars who discuss things this way. When I see a scholar who says "X says this, but on the other hand Y says the opposite"; or "all scholars are in agreement, X, Y, Z, except for A who is not well regarded for such and such reasons" then I see I am reading honest stuff. But this hiding certain information business is for the birds.
I love your some deep understanding of Islam jeff. You're either in the way to be a muslim or the ES missionary xD
Superbia
17-03-10, 10:35 AM
I don't compare, because you're either a Muslim or not. I don't believe in this whole sect thing; it's unnecessary.
Anti_XXX
17-03-10, 11:11 AM
El Rey,
Can you tell us the points you noticed and disagree with them!!
Alhamask
17-03-10, 01:06 PM
I take from each sect what I see matches with the sunnah and the holy quran or I take the whole point of views then I follow my heart. What just frustrates me that some people claim to follow a certain sect, they defend it like its their child and when you ask them some questions related to their sect they know NOTHING.
I don't compare, because you're either a Muslim or not. I don't believe in this whole sect thing; it's unnecessary.
I guess the Quran is your companion:
"And hold fast, all together, by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves.." Quran, 3:103
El Rey,
Can you tell us the points you noticed and disagree with them!!
I don't want to drag a sect discussion in here anti X sorry. That was just a general example.
FAITH86
17-03-10, 02:04 PM
I don't believe in any sect. :D
I'm Sunni, and don't want to change my sect. I don't have any problem with Sunnis' Aqeeda. I love to be Sunni.
Monkiette
26-08-10, 10:22 PM
there is an authentic hadith which states that a time will come and Muslims will split up into 73 sects, 72 sects will enter hellfire and only one will enter heaven, and when the Prophet peace be upon him asked about that saved group or sect he replied they are the ones who follow my sunna and the way of my companions.
so have you really asked yourself which sect you belong to?
Yes.. you didn't attack any sects at all.. :mmhmm:
Monkiette
26-08-10, 10:27 PM
I am quite convinced in my sect but at the same time I believe in other sects. In the end of the day we are all Muslims and when the gates of Heaven open before us.. I doubt we are going to be asked whether we were Shia, Sunni or Abadthi. Your good heart, intentions and deed will take you to where you want to be.
Cow n Chicken
26-08-10, 11:21 PM
am happy with what i follow, and i agree that afterall we are all the same since we are all muslims.
Mudrich
26-08-10, 11:37 PM
I chose to become a Sunni.
Its teachings make me more comfortable.
And I choose to become a Muslim. :D
It wont matter whether you pray with your hand in your chest, Or say Ameen after the fate7a or those stuff.
Its all about the neya. :)
^ I used to say the same long time ago and I'd wish if it was true.
But in the ugly reality it does matter what section you are following.
AL-3omani
27-08-10, 12:06 AM
I am Ibhadi, though there are some points I disagree, but I find Ibhadi sect is the most sect holding in sunnah!
Alhamask
27-08-10, 01:13 AM
Wa Nnajmi idhaa hawa,
Maa Dhallah sahibukum wa maa ghawaa...
Wamaa Yantiqu Anilhawa,
In-huwa illa wahyun Yuhaa....
There is a Prophetic tradition in which he commands to follow any of his Sahaba. They are like the stars up in the Sky, in different positions, in different angles, different sizes..... Muslims will be guided, according to this tradition, if they follow any of the Prophets' Sahaba....
Mudrich
27-08-10, 01:17 AM
^ I used to say the same long time ago and I'd wish if it was true.
But in the ugly reality it does matter what section you are following.
And why isnt it true?
a9lan Is there a big difference between a Sunni and Ibadhi? Like really big.
It may be a stupid question, but as an Ibadhi... is Sheikh Ahmed al5aleeli the only general Ibadhi mufti?
I'm Ibadhi, I follow my sect and accept it, except with the very uncertain things... I might see what my brain chooses.
Not meaning any grudge or hatred, but why do some think we're kufar? :S
Even though I am raised as an Ibadi, I don't see much in myself that projects that, I mean I don't differentiate between sectors of Islam since I believe we are all Muslims, but at the same time I believe in what my heart and mind think is right, I look at all sectors and see that I take things from here and there.The rest I leave it to God, and let him decide if what I am doing is right or wrong.
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