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squinty
15-01-10, 08:35 PM
I told someone that a person was praying Isha and he can pray with him. He looked at the person and told me: "...If we, sunni, pray with a shi'i then we have to redo our fatiha..."
I kept thinking about it, why?
Is it true you have to redo it if you pray and the shi'i is imam or this is part of the extremest muslims?
Mikhail Alexandrovich
15-01-10, 10:40 PM
I do not quite get that part of redoing the fatiha! How can one redo the fatiha?
imadesign
16-01-10, 01:30 AM
its called Tatabo3, it means that you have to read Al Fatiha by yourself while the Imam is reading it.
I dont know if Sunnies suppose to do that if they pray after Shi3i or Abadhi Imam !!?
Mikhail Alexandrovich
16-01-10, 06:47 AM
I see. I think they must read it no matter who they are praying after.
I dont know if Sunnies suppose to do that if they pray after Shi3i or Abadhi Imam !!?
Why they don't do it, Al-Fatiha is one of the main pillars in the prayer without it the prayer is invalid.
Do sunnies read al Fatiha together with the Imam (following him) or they read it after he finish it?
Why they don't do it, Al-Fatiha is one of the main pillars in the prayer without it the prayer is invalid.
Do sunnies read al Fatiha together with the Imam (following him) or they read it after he finish it?
As far as I know, the followers of the Hanafi school of thought don't read the fatihah when they are behind the imam. I don't know about the rest though.
M_N_S_S
16-01-10, 09:34 AM
I don't really get why we, muslims, think that we're different from each other! EVEN IN PRAYERS!!!!!!!! then why do we all call ourselves muslims?? why don't we just say the shii religion and the sunni religion??
for me i pray behind any muslims that prays the same rakaat as i do!! i consider all muslims my brothers and i don't believe in all this crap people do that put barriers between us muslims!!!!!
As far as I know, the followers of the Hanafi school of thought don't read the fatihah when they are behind the imam. I don't know about the rest though.
Interesting ...
Ok here is detailed info about the 4 sunni schools.
4. Qira'ah (reciting):
The schools differ whether the recitation of Surat al-Fatihah is wajib in every rak'ah (unit), or in the first two rak'ahs, or in all the rak'ahs without there being any other alternative. They give different answers to the following questions: Is the bismillah an essential part of al-Fatihah or is it valid to omit it? Is it wajib or mustahabb to recite aloud or in a low voice? Is it wajib to recite another surah after al-Fatihah in the first two rak'ahs? Can the tasbih replace the surah? Is takattuf (the folding of arms during salat) a sunnah or is it haram? And so on.
['tasbih' means: saying "subhanallah wal-hamdu lillah wala ilaha illallah wallahu akbar" which is usually recited three times in the third and the forth rak'ahs (units).
Also 'qunut' means rasing both hands toward the sky and holding them in front of the chest or face and then reciting a supplication, like asking for forgiveness. It could be some verses of Quran or not. However it should be in Arabic for obligatory prayers.]
The Hanafis observe: It is not compulsory to recite only Surat al-Fa-tihah in the daily obligatory salats, and anything recited from the Qur'an may take its place, because God the Exalted, says: 'Therefore recite of the Qur'an so much as is feasible' (73:20) (Bidayat al-mujahid, v1, p 122 and al-Shi'rani's , "bab sifat al-salat"). The recital from the Qur'an is wajib in the first two rak'ahs; but in the third rak'ah of the maghrib prayer and the last two rak'ahs of 'asr and 'isha' prayer there is an option between reciting from the Qur'an or saying the tasbih or keeping quiet (al-Nawawi, Sharh al-Muhadhdhab, v3, p361). Moreover, the Hanafis say: It is valid to skip the bismillah because it is not a part of any surah. Neither reciting aloud nor in a low
voice are mustahabb, and a performer praying alone is free to recite in a voice that he alone can hear or in a voice hearable to others. There is no qunut in salat with the exception of salat al-watr. As to takattuf, it is masnun (a sunnah) but it is not wajib, and its preferable form is for a man to place the palm of his right hand on the back of his left hand, and for a woman to place her hands on her chest.
The Shafi'is state: Surat al-Fatihah is wajib in every rak'ah, without there being any difference in this regard between the first two rak'ahs and the other rak'ahs and between wajib and mustahabb salats. The bismillah is a part of the surah and cannot be omitted in any circumstance. The recitation should be aloud in the morning prayer and the first two rak'ahs of maghrib and 'isha' prayers; the remaining recitals are to be in a low voice. The qunut is mustahabb only in the morning prayer, and is to be performed after rising from the ruku' of the second rak'ah. Similarly, it is mustahabb to recite another surah after al-Fatihah only in the first two rak'ahs. Takattuf is not wajib but a sunnah for both the sexes, and its preferable form is to place the right hand palm on the back of the left hand between the chest and the navel and towards the left side.
According to the Malikis, reciting Surat al-Fatihah is necessary in every rak'ah, without there being any difference in this regard between the earlier and later rak'ahs and between fard and mustahabb salats, as
observed earlier by the Shafi'is. It is mustahabb to recite another surah after al-Fatihah in the first two rak'ahs. The bismillah is not a part of the surah and it is mustahabb to omit it altogether. Reciting aloud is
mustahabb in the morning prayer and the first two rak'ahs of maghrib and 'isha' prayers. Qunut is to be recited only in the morning prayer. Takattuf is valid in their opinion, though it is mustahabb to keep the hands hanging freely in the fard prayers.
The Hanbalis consider al-Fatihah to be wajib in even rak'ah, and to recite a surah after it in the first two rak'ahs as mustahabb. The morning prayer and the first two rak'ahs of maghrib and 'isha' prayers are to be recited aloud. The bismillah is a part of surahs though it will be recited in a low voice and not aloud. Qunut is to be recited in Salat al-watr and not in any other salat. Takattuf is a sunnah for both men and women and its preferable form is to place the right hand palm on the back of the left hand below the navel.
source (http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter7/6.html)
^^
About the Al Fatihah being wajib or not is something I know, but thanks for sharing. I was just stating about whether it is obligatory to recite the fatihah behind the imam or not.
I enjoyed reading this thread ...
I have no idea about other sectors and this thread was some kind of a help ,,,
thnx Ice Tea for the info ...
Last warning, any diversion of the topic will result in warnings
in this city we have every madhhab, and the differences in prayer are very small and not significant. Sometimes in congregational prayer i hear a brother recite fatiha for himself while imam recites fatiha and others recite fatiha for himself while imam recites second surah. We have hands going up or down or held to the sides, and every style you can imagine. We used all to pray together, but now shia madhhab have their own building to pray in. diversity is good for increasing knowledge, wisdom. Sometimes i pray en many madhhab styles as most of them have the same source... qur'an and sunnah
im Sunia and i never heard such a thing and i asked my parents they said the same we never do such a thing..
I am a Sunni.
I read al Fatiha after the Imam reads it, no matter what section the Imam is.
95% of my life I prayed behind Ibathi Imams, same applies.
Abu Eliyas
18-01-10, 03:07 PM
a sunni or a shi'i or abathi we all pray to god in the end :os
once i was praying at shi's mosque i did not know that in the end of my praying old man tald me "don't came again to pray at this mosque" then i ask him why but he did not reply when i told some of my friends they told me it is a shi'i mosque...
the thing is mosque is god house so if am sunni or shi's or abathi it is something personal between person and his god :os
by the way i love shai'i so much i don't know why :love:
It is not obligatory to recite the fatiha, bil 3aks we must listen and "think" about the words when the imam is reciting it slowly.
imadesign
18-01-10, 06:26 PM
"Abu Eliyas"..
to be honest.. that old man dose not have the right to tell u dont come to pray in this mosque !!.. all mosques are for muslims, and since u r muslim, then u have the right to go there and pray :)
Now as for the topic, I dont know what Sunnis should do when they pray behind she3i Imam or Abadhi, but what we shi3a do is just listen to the Imam and do not read al fatiha while he is reading it, but we recites all other parts like rkoo3 and sjood..etc.
but in only one case we pray tatabo3 (recites al fatiha) when we pray behind an Imam and we dont sure if he is 3adil or rightful < am not sure if its the right word !
Abu Eliyas.. Its sad that it happened to you, but that person surely doesn't represent all Shia!
by the way i love shai'i so much i don't know why :love:
Oh you lil perv I know why!
Abu Eliyas
18-01-10, 11:45 PM
^ am sure you do not know why :p tell me:D
Oky once we are at Al-Riath (KSA) and we are in group most of us abathi, we want to pray at this mosque I was the first person to go in and start to pray with them but the group came in after and they pray with them and started to pray (safr) the journey pray _for isha_when the finish the praying there.
Some kids were angry and came to the group and ask them in bad way “why you people pray in that way it is wrong “ one person from the group smile to this kids and told him this is our way of praying and we are not from this place and we are abathi and this is our way of praying.
Most of people from that mosque were looking at our group and feeling something different they did not used to see from before…
that was sunni mosque not shi'i mosque :p
I was laughing from the group and told them no one ask that then they reply yes you want before us and pray with them and no one notice you :D
the funny thing is if you are not used for something you could fight then after the fighting only you will ask your self why you did that :os
once i was praying at shi's mosque i did not know that in the end of my praying old man tald me "don't came again to pray at this mosque" then i ask him why but he did not reply when i told some of my friends they told me it is a shi'i mosque...
You could've sued that freak. No one has the right to prevent anyone from praying in any mosque s/he wants even though if s/he built the mosque. Sects discrimination is a crime in Oman and there is a punishment for it.
Aba_Thar
22-05-10, 07:54 PM
a sunni or a shi'i or abathi we all pray to god in the end :os
once i was praying at shi's mosque i did not know that in the end of my praying old man tald me "don't came again to pray at this mosque" then i ask him why but he did not reply when i told some of my friends they told me it is a shi'i mosque...
the thing is mosque is god house so if am sunni or shi's or abathi it is something personal between person and his god :os
by the way i love shai'i so much i don't know why :love:
that old man had no right to tell you not to come, mosques are for all muslims, and sub7an allah there is like a green sign next to the mosque's door saying: for muslims only. Maybe that man is jahil , Allah Yihdih. Those things can happen the other way around too because of Jahl or ignorance.
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