Suni/Sheia why!!

[Snow^Lady]

I am curious why do suni parents don't allow their daughters or sons get married to sheia..and the same goes with sheia don't allow their kids to marry suni. They are both Muslims!! what is the big fuss about this!!. Why do parents reject this marrige!

[kitkat]

that's right:eyes:
I heard alot of stories about that
and really can't understand it
parents shouldn't do that with their kids
I really hate it when parents do such things:angre:

but at the same time
when u talk to parents u may think that their way of thinking is right

but even though
when it's love
marriage must come :):angre:

[qais]

the kids will be screwed up.

[4-ever-young]

This problems isnt just between the Sunis and Shieas it is very common in other tribes in Oman..and it is indeed very sad to see the parents doing that for as Snow lady said that we are all muslims after all so why do it...

Now we have to find a solution and that can only come from us..by teaching our chlidren that we should not diffrenciate between ppl by thier tribe names or thier color.

On Judgement day Allah will not look at thoes with the best tribe names or such things we will all be judged on one thing is a3mal what we have done.

[Snow^Lady]

However, i heard that shia pray only twice a day while suni and abadthee pray five times. In addition, they pray with stone on their mat. These are some of the reasons why suni are not allowed to marry shia and the other way around. But what makes them think their (suni/shia) tribe is right!!... Would you guys marry another person from a tribe(suni/shia) that is not like yours? would you allow your children to marry from them?

[qais]

snow lady plz stop making up stuff.
we pray 5 times a day like every mazhab in islam.
shia follow exactly what the quran says unlike suniies who alter some of their belives to suit there needs.
:fire: snow lady do not participate in islamic discusions if u have no knowldge about ur religion

[qais]

by the way the prohet used to pray with a turba which u call a stone.

[Kamakazy]

My shii'at friend prays 3 time a day....

he prays dhuhr & 3asser together... and maghrib & esha together (jam3)

:lost:

[Snow^Lady]

Exactly kamakzy, they pray three times. I made a mistake not 2. Qais i wasn't talking to you. if you don't like to discuss about this then please do not reply. I am not making up stuff. This is what i was told from all shia i have known. Just don't talk about religion if you don't know anything please:rolleyes:...i am not here to discuss how bad are shia, just stick to my topic please and don't jump on your topic....now back to my topic...why do people make a big thing when shia marry suni or the other way around?would you allow your kids to marry the other tribe? I heard that they have one month where they hit their chest!! can someone tell me what is this about?!!

[4-ever-young]

Snowlady..it seems that u want to discuss the sunnis and Shieas in general..as u mentioned the way the pray and as well other things...

I really dont know much about them or how they live so i wont be much help

[kitkat]

hey brother Qais u shouldn't say that about suni
and no need to be angry too

we all are muslims
and that's enough

[NaBHaN]

Originally posted by qais
the kids will be screwed up.

what do you mean by this?? i come from a mixed marrige, and don't see anything wrong with it!! people in our society are just brain washed and blindly follow without even asking if it's right or wrong!! sometime they don't accept the person just because he comes from a different sector even though he/she might be the sweetest and most successful!! shame!!

[kitkat]

yesss
u are 100% right brother

[NaBHaN]

Originally posted by Kamakazy
My shii'at friend prays 3 time a day....

he prays dhuhr & 3asser together... and maghrib & esha together (jam3)

:lost:

you are right Kamakazy..i know lots about both sects coz as i mantioned b4 my father is shee3y and my mother is sunia, but i am more towards my mothers side and my father has no objection whatsoever!! so i don't see a reason for not allowing the two sects live together in harmony and peace!!

[Snow^Lady]

BI, does ur dad still follow the she3i way or he is in between? how about ur mom, her family, are they all suni or she is mix? do you consider urself suni or she3i? sorry to ask personal questions. it is up to you if you want to reply. i am just curious to know what will happen in the future after the two sets marry.

[NaBHaN]

well..my father follows his sector and my mother follows hers, and yeah my mother is a pure sunia! about me..as i said above i lean more towards the suni sector, but i respect the shee3y as well, and anyways,, who care suni shee3y we are all musilms in the end!!

[4-ever-young]

well said Boy Int ;) The parents are both muslims and that is what counts.

[Snow^Lady]

That's great BI...but not everyone think that way. Most people don't agree for their daughters/sons to marry from another tribe which is sad!!:sorry: I don't know what they think when they refuse:confused:

[lulu]

Snow^Lady the parents must be religous to refuse.....

WHY????!!!

Because if they let thier daughter to marry a She3y then her children would be She3y....and to tell you the truth She3a is so different from Suni and Abadhi....They pary with a stone beside them and they have these month called mo7aram which they hit them selves so hard until they bleed or faint and that we don't do.....Suni and Abadhi have small differences but She3a they even can't pray after the prayer call right away thier prayer call is 10 min after ours i believe if i am not mistaken.....and besides parents refuses to avoid things which we can't see and don't tell me we are open minded and anybody can get married to anyone ...the reasons of regection might not related to Madhhab only maybe the way of living,style,habbits all this plays a part in marrige you will think it's stupid but after marrige you will know.

[Snow^Lady]

Thank you very much lulu for your honest reply:) . What if you fell in love with a she3y, would you sacrifice to be with him or you will tell him to stay away??!!

[lulu]

Good question Snow^Lady......and the answer is : I won't fall in love with a she3ye on the first place....before i fall in love i have to know weather he suits me or not....for example Tribe,Madhhab,Family,Personality..etc.

[Snow^Lady]

Cool answer....thank you for replying lulu;)

[lulu]

You are more than welcome Snow^Lady...any more questions?????just kidding :wink:

[qais]

snow lady u wanna take it outside.

[IceTea]

Originally posted by lulu
Snow^Lady the parents must be religous to refuse.....

WHY????!!!

Because if they let thier daughter to marry a She3y then her children would be She3y....and to tell you the truth She3a is so different from Suni and Abadhi....They pary with a stone beside them and they have these month called mo7aram which they hit them selves so hard until they bleed or faint and that we don't do.....Suni and Abadhi have small differences but She3a they even can't pray after the prayer call right away thier prayer call is 10 min after ours i believe if i am not mistaken.....and besides parents refuses to avoid things which we can't see and don't tell me we are open minded and anybody can get married to anyone ...the reasons of regection might not related to Madhhab only maybe the way of living,style,habbits all this plays a part in marrige you will think it's stupid but after marrige you will know.

I agree with u about she3a behaviour they look different from other sects, how come they pray 3 times a day and combine 2 prayers together, who allowed them to do this ?? really strange !!

[Snow^Lady]

originally posted by Ice-Tea:
I agree with u about she3a behaviour they look different from other sects, how come they pray 3 times a day and combine 2 prayers together, who allowed them to do this ?? really strange !!

LOOOoOoOoOoOoOoOL:gap: you really made me laugh...i really don't know who allowed them:p

[lulu]

I wonder who made them do this...??????!!!!:duh: :duh: Snow^Lady do you know????:confused: :duh: :duh:

[Snow^Lady]

Nops:confused: ....anyone here know!!!?? I heard they have Imam since prophet days until this day!!..

[qais]

yes thats true.
his name is mahdi who will appear one day when the time is right and rule the world.

[NaBHaN]

ice tea and snow lady, would appreciate it if you don't make fun of any sector and respect others beliefs!! don't you wonder why you sometime think that non muslims think in a weird way and what makes sence to them doesn't make sence to us muslims?? well same case here except that we are all muslims and it's sad to see muslims disrespecting other muslims just because a slight difference in the way of thinking!

[Snow^Lady]

BI, i am really sorry. I didn't mean anything bad. I was just laughing at the way she asked the question. That's about it. Sorry and i do respect every religion.

Actually i heard the Imam who is there now, is not Muslim. Someone ,she3y, showed me his picture yesterday and told me that he is not Muslim and is not allowed to be Muslim...how is that!!!

[X-press]

Originally posted by Snow^Lady
I am curious why do suni parents don't allow their daughters or sons get married to sheia..and the same goes with sheia don't allow their kids to marry suni.

As Boy-Interrupted said it well, it is important to keep respecting each other not matter our believes.

Very interesting topic Snow^Lady and it seems you are starting to ask more questions about the Sheia believes in general, without getting really the answer to your first post.

[Snow^Lady]

Kinda Xpress. I actually got the answer from lulu. She explained well and conviencing as well. So now i am kinda interested to know more about their culture and beliefs.:)

[IceTea]

Originally posted by Boy-Interrupted
ice tea and snow lady, would appreciate it if you don't make fun of any sector and respect others beliefs!! don't you wonder why you sometime think that non muslims think in a weird way and what makes sence to them doesn't make sence to us muslims?? well same case here except that we are all muslims and it's sad to see muslims disrespecting other muslims just because a slight difference in the way of thinking!

B-I first of all nobody is making fun of any sect, and we are just curious about some strange behaviour of your sect. Now praying 3 times a day instead of 5 is not a slight difference as u said, as u know the 5 prayer are the core of Islam and everything depends on them. And each prayer should be in its own time. So the question is why shee3a pray 3 times a day instead of 5 by combining the prayers, don't u know combining prayers is only allowed during travel time. I also hered that some shee3a combine all the 5 prayers into 1 prayer !!

[Snow^Lady]

wops:rolleyes: now how many types of she3a are there!!...whenever i meet a shee3y, he/she tells me "we are different than other shee3a"!!!:confused:

[IceTea]

Originally posted by Snow^Lady
wops:rolleyes: now how many types of she3a are there!!...whenever i meet a shee3y, he/she tells me "we are different than other shee3a"!!!:confused:

Icy^Lady :) this is because shee3a sect have many sects as well I think more than 5 and each of them believe in different thing !!:confused:

[Snow^Lady]

Originally posted by IceTea :
Icy^Lady this is because shee3a sect have many sects as well I think more than 5 and each of them believe in different thing !!

hmmmmmm interesting:eek: ....can anyone here tell us what are these sects and how they differ from eachother. qais since you are she3y and you know alot about religion as you said, could you please provide us with this information:)

[IceTea]

Originally posted by Snow^Lady


hmmmmmm interesting:eek: ....can anyone here tell us what are these sects and how they differ from eachother. qais since you are she3y and you know alot about religion as you said, could you please provide us with this information:)

click here (http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=6683)

[Snow^Lady]

Thank you IceTea. so there is another Thread discussing about She3a as well. In addition there is a sect called "Ismali". They don't have the month where they hit themselves. They as well have many Imams until this day whom i said before who is not Muslim and not allowed to be Muslim. They don't as well pray on a stone but they pray three times a day.

[kitkat]

snow lady ya sister
I think u shouldn't laugh and loling while talking about something like this
people believe in things
and they are free to do that
do u think that people must believe in what u are believing??

so plz just show some respect to people here
there are suni/shi3y/abathe3
and all are muslimes

[qais]

snow lady plz stop posting in this thread cause i find ur posts very instulting,rude and unaccurate so try to have some respect for us coz we are all muslims.

[NaBHaN]

Originally posted by IceTea


B-I first of all nobody is making fun of any sect, and we are just curious about some strange behaviour of your sect.

it's not your questions..it's the way you ask them!! i have read your posts in religion sabla regarding this matter! ;) , anyways..i'm just gonna stop at this point !!

[Snow^Lady]

Habebti kitkat, i don't laugh at anyone...and i didn't. I explained why i onced loled and that wasn't because of shee3a people. I did because of the way the question was asked not because of the people. Sorry if you got me wrong but I really didn't mean to lol at them and i said this before. I just want to know about them that's all. Why would people think this is a sensetive topic. I wouldn't mind people asking about suni.why would shee3a mind me asking about them!!..take it easy on me people. I didn't mean anything bad or to insult anyone. Sorry:rolleyes:

qais sorry but you never know how to reply. YOU are the one who jumped out of nowhere without being asked. I was at first asking a question to KNOW then you jumped saying i shouldn't make fun of you people and suni are making their own religion..there is something wrong in your mind sorry but this is what i noticed. I will post where i want and what i want. You don't like it, don't reply. Why would you think i am making fun of you while i was just asking a question to learn!! maybe you are not convienced with your religion that's why!!..why didn't i make a big fuss when you said suni create their own religion because i don't argue with people who don't think. So please if you can't reply, don't. You just like thinking you are always right while you arent. 7asha:duh:

[qais]

i c

[IceTea]

Originally posted by Boy-Interrupted


it's not your questions..it's the way you ask them!! i have read your posts in religion sabla regarding this matter! ;) , anyways..i'm just gonna stop at this point !!

Hello Comics_Boy :) now give me a break, whats wrong with the way I asked a question, don't be sensitive and open your brain a bit more. Now instead of complaning like qais about my questions, why don't u answer me or u don't have a logical answer to give us.

[Kamakazy]

the topic started with "why can't any shi3a marry a suri and vers" and now it is all about "what shi3a belives in"

i think that the sect is just part of the reason why both shi3a and suni don't mix... lets take a family name as an example of a shi3a, e.g Lawati, and suni e.g Baloshi (this is just an example) both have different ways of living, some minor difference in belifes plus both do not mix well... (generally)

this will have a say on why they don't marry from eachother, coz marriage does not stand on sects alone, they are other factors towards it....

plz stick to the topic

[Jinan]

Snow Lady..
sorry to say... but ur way of answering questions is not nice.. its nothing but full of mokcery for the shi3a sect...

btw, there are so many shi3a people getting married to none shi3as... infact I myself know those people....I know a lawatia guy who is getting married soon to a baloushi girl...

my father is one person who has no objection if i get married to a none shee3i... see, we live in a country with different sects and tribes... lawati community is not a huge communty, one has to broaden his/her horizon abt such things... whts wrong if a guy proposes marriage to me, he works, is decent, a good human being but a none shee3a.. I think i wud be a complete idiot refusing him...but under th condition that he wud never ask me to change my sect and stop practicing shia3sm..

[FaHaD]

talking about madhahib again......

about she3a praying 3 times per day... well let me tell u that abadhi and sunna pray 3 times per day right .. that is during safer (travel prayer)... andi asked one of she3a friend about this and he said that their origin is not oman , and thus they are here like safer .. therefore they do qaser and jama3 like us ( sunna and abadhi) when we go abroad... also i noticed some of my ebadhi friends do jam3 whenever they feel that they are going to be busy ( lectures) and they can't have time to pray the next prayer....... thus there is a reason why she3a in oman pray 3 times and they believe in there reasons as we believe in our reasons... no argue about that...

plus regarding marriage, in my family people marry from different sectors .. i have cousin married with ebafdhi , with she3a ad they are living happily thanx for allah ....... , actually we should all unite to be one not to fight on some things that we don't have knowledge on and let this fight to make us seperate..

we are all muslims and we have one God...

[Jinan]

The prophet ( PBUH&HF) prayed like that when going on war so he wudnt miss any of his prayers... thats one of the reasons why we pary then together... like zuhur and asar.. many people sleep in the afternoon.. and some of them feel lazy to get up and pray.. so they pray zuhur and 3asar together.. or they might be busy at work or any other place... the same goes with maghrib and 3isha...

[Snow^Lady]

Thank you all for replying. I think subject should be closed. People are being too sensetive here and this other people are making fun and insulting.

[IceTea]

Well well well ... some interesting points brought up by Fahad and Jinan we need to stop at them and discuss :)

First of all Fahad do you agree what others saying and do, I mean they told u that the reason that shee3a combine two prayers and pray 3 times a day because their origin is not from Oman. But remeber they are living in Oman and they have Omani nationality, so Oman is considered as their mother home now since they live here for many years. In other words they are travilling when they leave Oman not while they are at their own home country. And we all know that combining two prayers in one is only allowed during travel and the distance as far as I know is somthing like 12 or 14 Km from your home. So if the person pass the 12 or 14 Km from his home he is allowed to combine the two prayers and shorten them as well.

Ok now to Jinan, u said that in your sect people comibine two prayers in one because they feel lazy and might miss the 2nd prayer in its time. Now do u think this is a good and valid excuse, its like saying I will not fast Ramadhan and I will do it when I feel ok. And also according to your excuse people will combine the 5 prayers in 1 shot, becuase they feel tired and lazy from attending each one in its own time as normal. Wolk-up people we are talking about the prayer here not playing game.

[Snow^Lady]

Exactly IceTea. I wanted to point out too but then i got fed up replying because whenever i say something, they say i am making fun of them or something like that. What you said is very much true. Prayers should be on time not whenever the person wants. God has given people the pleasure of sleeping and resting, why can't people thank God on time which takes like 5 minutes!!.What is the use of the mo2athen if people can pray whenever they want to!!. Regarding what Fahad said, If they are living in Oman and have the nationality, why would they combine!!...They can combine when it is reaaaallllyy necessary. Not because they want to sleep or they want to go out or this or that!!. You know here in USA, some students told the teacher that they want a break in a certain time to pray thohor. Guess what, the teacher agreed as this is a respect for Muslim.

[NaBHaN]

double post!!

[NaBHaN]

Originally posted by IceTea


Hello Comics_Boy :) now give me a break, whats wrong with the way I asked a question, don't be sensitive and open your brain a bit more. Now instead of complaning like qais about my questions, why don't u answer me or u don't have a logical answer to give us.

well..i don't think i wanna discuss religion with you, cause you'll only bring up more and more questions , and i have no head for this at the moment!!, plus i don't know much about the shee3y Madhab!!! all i asked was to respect each others beliefs, not only to you but for the others as well, each is working like hell to defend his/her beliefs and is not willing at all to accept any other opinion!! so why discuss when it's feels like talking to a wall!! anyways..each to his own!! and no hard feelings!! :)

p.s: what is logic to you may not be logic to someone else!! remember that! ;)

[FaHaD]

ice tea... all sector has its own scholars and u can not compare the knowledge of evry one.. like here we believe in our grand muftee , other also believe on their own muftees... and everyone has his own reason with evidence...... and myself saraa7a don't compare my knowledge to their knowledge .. and the best is to follow ur sector that will be safe for u.....

regarding safer prayer , it is different from she3a sunna , ebadhi, in the issue of ditance.. in ebadhi after 18 km ( i think) it wll be a must that u do qaser and jama3... in sunna i think it is 90 km.. .. so there is a difference and everyone gives his own reason and nobody has right to say that the other is wrong when he has no knowldge or shall i say not qualified to judge....

friend, let us be one .. we are sooo goood in comparing beween sectors but let us concentrate on other issues like people who are insulting islaam and try to defend our islaam, cos this has much ajer or rewards......

and believe me fitna in al-deeen is regarded as a big mistake and the prophet(OBUH): " la yad'7il al-janna fattaan"

[qais]

SNOW LADY PLZ GO 2 http://al-islam.org/nutshell/
IT ANSWERS MOST OF UR QUESTIONS THATS YOU'VE ASKED IN THIS THREAD.

[IceTea]

I have said my opinion about this issue, and its up to u if u want to listen or not.

BTW I'm not trying to make any "fitnah" by discussing this, but it seems that prayer is something simple and u can perform it in your own way.

[X-press]

This thread started as a general topic which had to be moved in the "Problem Sabla" as it showed conflict between two sects regarding marriage.

It is my feeling that it starts to take more a religious turn now.

Members, I think you should try to concentrate on the main topic of this thread. If you are interested to elaborate it in other areas, please open other threads in the appropriate Sablas.

Thank you.

[Snow^Lady]

Dear Xpress, the thread started with a topic and was answered so with that topic, other questions occured. Therefore, it is moving along. As any other thread, it doesn't stick just to the main Question. Always another idea or questions occur in the middle.

Thank you qais:cool:

[Seham]

Snow^Lady a good topic ...... but I would say that most of the new generation (following the introduction of petrol into the gulf countries) .... don't really care about tripes or Islamic religion sector (e.g. Suni/She3y/aba'6y) .... I think it is mostly inherited up to the generation of our parents and it will soon fade away in a couple of decades. I think the main interest of the new generation is "Love" and "Education" .... rather what "tripe" or what "Islamic religion sector" u belong to!

[silver_ring]

heeey pepsi i am search for one like u
qais ..so can u proof that that al_mahdi 'll come from quran ..and if u have no knowldge so better to stop talking about she3a .. cuz in this way u give bad idea about them

[qais]

ok

[silver_ring]

qais you are she3e?

[Al3sfoora]

First >> we should respects suni, sheia and other religions.

Second>> my father got married with an sheia lady so my brothers and sisters from her are sheia but we don’t have any problems with since we are sunies and they are sheia >>

the most important thing is that they are Muslims.

If tomorrow my sister wants to get married with a sheia or suni we don’t have any problem with that.

Thankx

[Snow^Lady]

Al3asfoora, does your dad attend their religious activities such as the moharam where they form their prayers...etc

[Al3sfoora]

Snow^Lady, My father doesn’t follow sheia’s activities but my sister does that.

[Snow^Lady]

How about you??........Another question, since some of your brother/sister follow mom and some follow dad, doesn't this create conflict between you brothers and sisters. Like everyone chooses his math'hab and pray in different timings and perfom different activities......etc

[heart]

I am curious why do suni parents don't allow their daughters or sons get married to sheia..and the same goes with sheia don't allow their kids to marry suni. They are both Muslims!! what is the big fuss about this!!. Why do parents reject this marrige!

really its not good.im also suffer with this problem

[Sporty4life]

the difference between the sunni and shia are very large. one who says that the difference is small or that we should all just be friends or whatever have little knowledge of Islam. I refuse to be classified as what the shia beleive, and that's what most people do.

[J'adore]

I am curious why do suni parents don't allow their daughters or sons get married to sheia..and the same goes with sheia don't allow their kids to marry suni. They are both Muslims!! what is the big fuss about this!!. Why do parents reject this marrige!


Thats not completely true.. I know of a lot of ppl who are happily married to someone from a different sect, as long as theres that mutual respect from both families its not an issue.

Speaking for myself preferably I'd want to fall in love with a she3ey, but if it so happenes to be hes sunni it won't be an issue with my parents so long as..

1. He doesn't try to change me ( Or else there will be issues lol )
2. Agree to disagree with the minor things ( I consider them minor )
3. Take eachother for who we are and just shut it.

:angel:

[Superbia]

It's pathetic how some Muslims look down at other Muslims, just because they follow a different sect.. makes you question religion altogether.

I don't follow any sect, but instead I do what feels right and yeah I pick bits and pieces from each sect, according to what appeals to me. We're all Muslims, so it shouldn't matter. I don't see any difference between a Suni, Shi3i or Ibathi.

[Fatiko]

I never cared about this 'Sect' thing. I think people take it WAY too seriously and stupidly in here.
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No offense meant, anyhow.

[Filly_Stiffler]

the kids will be screwed up.


yes thats true.
his name is mahdi who will appear one day when the time is right and rule the world.


Nops:confused: ....anyone here know!!!?? I heard they have Imam since prophet days until this day!!..


I wonder who made them do this...??????!!!!:duh: :duh: Snow^Lady do you know????:confused: :duh: :duh:


LOOOoOoOoOoOoOoOL:gap: you really made me laugh...i really don't know who allowed them:p


Snow^Lady the parents must be religous to refuse.....

WHY????!!!

Because if they let thier daughter to marry a She3y then her children would be She3y....and to tell you the truth She3a is so different from Suni and Abadhi....They pary with a stone beside them and they have these month called mo7aram which they hit them selves so hard until they bleed or faint and that we don't do.....Suni and Abadhi have small differences but She3a they even can't pray after the prayer call right away thier prayer call is 10 min after ours i believe if i am not mistaken.....and besides parents refuses to avoid things which we can't see and don't tell me we are open minded and anybody can get married to anyone ...the reasons of regection might not related to Madhhab only maybe the way of living,style,habbits all this plays a part in marrige you will think it's stupid but after marrige you will know.


B-I first of all nobody is making fun of any sect, and we are just curious about some strange behaviour of your sect. Now praying 3 times a day instead of 5 is not a slight difference as u said, as u know the 5 prayer are the core of Islam and everything depends on them. And each prayer should be in its own time. So the question is why shee3a pray 3 times a day instead of 5 by combining the prayers, don't u know combining prayers is only allowed during travel time. I also hered that some shee3a combine all the 5 prayers into 1 prayer !!


the topic started with "why can't any shi3a marry a suri and vers" and now it is all about "what shi3a belives in"

i think that the sect is just part of the reason why both shi3a and suni don't mix... lets take a family name as an example of a shi3a, e.g Lawati, and suni e.g Baloshi (this is just an example) both have different ways of living, some minor difference in belifes plus both do not mix well... (generally)

this will have a say on why they don't marry from eachother, coz marriage does not stand on sects alone, they are other factors towards it....

plz stick to the topic

some of the posts should be deleted as i see,, so offensing and i see no one took any action !
im trying to control my temper by now. i wonder if this is about how we -SHIA- act like n believe in or bout marryin people from diffrent sects.
this is redeulous, seriously discussin somethin and going off topic.
well it's obvious about when a person asks to KNOW and a person who asks jus to WASTE TIME AND MAKE FUN.
so if someone wants to ask about something, care to ask in a good nice way.:)
is this the image u want to give for other non-muslim people? who'd want to be muslim if you people's way was this huh?

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back to topic. yeah sometimes there is big problem because the kid would be confused not to know weather to chose to be sunni or shie.. u know .. mom says this, dad says that .. who's right?
that's the only problem which was in past. i know many sunni's married shia people now ..
for example :) my aunt married a sunni dude, the pure kinda one and they'r living happily thankgod :D
my other aunt -may she rip- married a sunni man too.
see. no probz!

[Mudrich]

lol ^

I really rather marry a girl which is close to my sect and not really different!
And i really dont like/agree with many of the stuff about sheia so dont think ill marry any sheia girl!

(no offence to anyone am just being honest here..)

[~cK~]

I never cared about this 'Sect' thing. I think people take it WAY too seriously and stupidly in here.
--

No offense meant, anyhow.

exactly , TOO serious :/, sect-racists

[Aba_Thar]

I agree with u about she3a behaviour they look different from other sects, how come they pray 3 times a day and combine 2 prayers together, who allowed them to do this ?? really strange !!

The thing which allowed Shia to pray Jam3, they say that Sahih Muslim says that The Prophet PBUH did it without fear or travel.

http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?hnum=1146&doc=1&IMAGE=%DA%D1%D6+%C7%E1%CD%CF%ED%CB

and

http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?hnum=1147&doc=1

Sorry for not having the English version, but it can be translated on google for those who cant read arabic. I don't think it's good to call other muslims behaviors as a strange behavior, no one would like it on his school of thought.

[Aba_Thar]

LOOOoOoOoOoOoOoOL:gap: you really made me laugh...i really don't know who allowed them:p

You can read the above post to know why they're doing this + Shia's dont say it's a must and that seperated is not accepted by God, I've never heard any of them saying so. It's better not to laugh at other schools of thoughts, we wouldnt like it if members of other religions laugh at us muslims, so we shouldn't as well laugh at others, and we should reflect our Prophet's Image as what the Quran taught us a person who was mercy to not just humanity but to the Worlds.

[Aba_Thar]

I wonder who made them do this...??????!!!!:duh: :duh: Snow^Lady do you know????:confused: :duh: :duh:

You can read the previous post to know who made them do.

[Aba_Thar]

ice tea and snow lady, would appreciate it if you don't make fun of any sector and respect others beliefs!! don't you wonder why you sometime think that non muslims think in a weird way and what makes sence to them doesn't make sence to us muslims?? well same case here except that we are all muslims and it's sad to see muslims disrespecting other muslims just because a slight difference in the way of thinking!

I totally agree with you brother, I like the way you think, and the peace you're trying to spread between muslims, this is what we always need.

[Aba_Thar]

Icy^Lady :) this is because shee3a sect have many sects as well I think more than 5 and each of them believe in different thing !!:confused:

as what I have seen nowadays and on my search are now only main 3: Jafari Ithna'ashari (12 Imams Believers), Zaidi's ( They believe that that after Imam Ali bin Hussain A.S. is Shaheed Zaid bin Ali A.S., and then the Imama keeps going for Ahlulbayt A.S.), and Ismaili's (They believe that After Imam Jafar Al Sadiq A.S. is his son Ismail)

[Aba_Thar]

talking about madhahib again......

about she3a praying 3 times per day... well let me tell u that abadhi and sunna pray 3 times per day right .. that is during safer (travel prayer)... andi asked one of she3a friend about this and he said that their origin is not oman , and thus they are here like safer .. therefore they do qaser and jama3 like us ( sunna and abadhi) when we go abroad... also i noticed some of my ebadhi friends do jam3 whenever they feel that they are going to be busy ( lectures) and they can't have time to pray the next prayer....... thus there is a reason why she3a in oman pray 3 times and they believe in there reasons as we believe in our reasons... no argue about that...

plus regarding marriage, in my family people marry from different sectors .. i have cousin married with ebafdhi , with she3a ad they are living happily thanx for allah ....... , actually we should all unite to be one not to fight on some things that we don't have knowledge on and let this fight to make us seperate..

we are all muslims and we have one God...

Dear Fahad,

I agree with you regarding that we should unite to be one not to fight, but I disagree with your friend (with all my respect) I dont think any Lawati thinks he is in safar when he is in Oman (lets assume Lawati's think they're not Omani's) but if they think they are in safar then they have to pray Qasar as well instead of 4 Rak'a, they should make it 2 in that case, but this is not happening, same regarding if a Lawati study's abroad, he/she prays salat full rak'at. That results they believe it's allowed at all time.

[Alex Belucci]

There are many Balushis Sunna who are married to Shiias, I think its matter of time until people open their mind a bit!

[Hazel]

by the way the prohet used to pray with a turba which u call a stone.

How can you prove that?
I heard that since before the prophets death... they didn't have all these sects it happend right after his death... where people started taking sides (Shia, Sunni, abadha) :bored:

[squinty]

Copyright, the prophet never prayed on a turbah (i.e. stone) but he did pray on natural things.

Here are some proof to it:


Abu Sa'eed used to relate that he had seen the Prophet prostrating on wet mud, so much so that he could see mud stains on his forehead.

Saheeh Bukhari, Part I, p. 104


Hazrat Maimuna said:

The Messenger of Allah was once praying while I was experiencing my menses and sitting beside him. Sometimes his clothing would touch me during his prostration. She added: He prayed on a Khumra (a small palm leaf mat).

Saheeh Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 376


The Prophet used to place his forehead on the earth while prostrating.

Saheeh Bukhari, Part 1, p. 97

So basically we, Shi'a, pray on the turbah because it is something natural to pray on but it doesn't mean everyone else is praying in a wrong way because the prophet :PBUH: never said we SHOULD pray on natural things.

[Belle]

im sorry to say this but some people here answer questions wrongly and thus theyre giving ppl from other sects a very stupid image of shiaas. Im she3i and personally speaking im not very educated religion wise thus i cant really answer any of the questions asked but honestly whoever said that the reason we combine prayers is cuz we are not originated in oman is compeltely misguided! and also would appreciate it if people discussed these sensetive issues in a mature manner there are many things that sunnies and abadhies do that i dont understand and find weird but if i was ever to question id definitely have a more classy way of asking.

[Hazel]

^ Thanks Squinty, I was looking for that!

I'll come back to this...

[Mudrich]

I have a Q but i hope Shi3a's wont think im making fun or something here.

Is it true that she3a can mary "just for fun"?

And is it true that she3a are alloud to.. duno how to say this to be honest..
Can "play" with children?

I really got that two from a friend and i hope i get a good answer :)

thanks.

[Mudrich]

And for those who say stuf they arent sure of, its Haram to give wrong facts about islam.

:)

[squinty]

im sorry to say this but some people here answer questions wrongly and thus theyre giving ppl from other sects a very stupid image of shiaas. Im she3i and personally speaking im not very educated religion wise thus i cant really answer any of the questions asked but honestly whoever said that the reason we combine prayers is cuz we are not originated in oman is compeltely misguided! and also would appreciate it if people discussed these sensetive issues in a mature manner there are many things that sunnies and abadhies do that i dont understand and find weird but if i was ever to question id definitely have a more classy way of asking.

We are allowed to join prayers because the Prophet :PBUH: used to do it and this is the proof:


"The Messenger of Allah (s) observed the noon and afternoon prayers together in Medina without being in a state of fear or in a state of journey. Abu Zubair said: “I asked Sa'id (one of the narrators) why he did that. He said: I asked Ibn 'Abbas as you have asked me, and he replied that he (the Holy Prophet) wanted that no one among his Ummah should be put to (unnecessary) hardship.”

[Sahih Muslim, English translation, Kitab al-Salat, Book 4, Chapter 100 Combination of prayers when one is resident, hadith no. 1516]





I have a Q but i hope Shi3a's wont think im making fun or something here.

Is it true that she3a can mary "just for fun"?

And is it true that she3a are alloud to.. duno how to say this to be honest..
Can "play" with children?

I really got that two from a friend and i hope i get a good answer :)

thanks.

Yes, it is true. It is called "Zawaj Mut'a" (Fun Marriage?)
I read about it but forgot the reasons for it. I may come back with some answers to this.

Not sure what you meant by "play" with kids? I am assuming it is not as the normal way people play with kids.

[Lime]

Yeah, people are starting to be more open about it. I know because it happened in my family and there aren't any conflicts about it!

[MorphaKnight]

I love how most ignorant people about shia's tend to believe the wildest of religious actions. To them its like the shia's are all shrouded in secrecy and mystery and they sound so foreign and that they heard from a friend of a friend of a friend that they do this and that..

[squinty]

Problem is, when they attack Shi'as they do so because they just see them as "different" from other sectors and never bother learning why we do such things.

I try to prove to them we do everything that is considered "Sunna" so they don't point fingers. If some of you don't believe me, check page 3 and all the quotes that I submitted to answer some questions. All from Sahih Bukhari and one from Sahih Muslim.

[Mudrich]

Oh alright :)

And the second one is what made me really confused if its true or not, my friend told me that there are certin age of kids were you can sleep with them? :/

I dont think its true but i said its better to check right :)

[J'adore]

I have a Q but i hope Shi3a's wont think im making fun or something here.

Is it true that she3a can mary "just for fun"?


I don't see how Mut'a marriages are any different than Misyar marriages.. It's not openly accepted and most ppl are against them from both sects I presume?


And is it true that she3a are alloud to.. duno how to say this to be honest..
Can "play" with children?

I really got that two from a friend and i hope i get a good answer :)

thanks.

Wtf.. What kind of question is this Muddy? LOl

Play with children in what way exactly? :o





And the second one is what made me really confused if its true or not, my friend told me that there are certin age of kids were you can sleep with them? :/

I dont think its true but i said its better to check right :)

Tell your friend to Shut it already, Poor thing is completely clueless. ;)

[squinty]

Oh alright :)

And the second one is what made me really confused if its true or not, my friend told me that there are certin age of kids were you can sleep with them? :/

I dont think its true but i said its better to check right :)

Let me tell you this, no matter from which sect you are, you can only approach anyone who has reached puberty. This is looked down upon in society but Islam never said age is a problem.

To answer your question, anyone who didn't reach their puberty should NOT be touched in any sexual way!

Ask your friend from where he heard that and let him give you a reliable proof for what he says.

[Diabian]

Ya I don't understand the fights... I mean both groups are muslims.. they both pray to Allah... they both are basically the same, and the only difference between the two groups is that one is right and the other is wrong :dev:

[Mudrich]

I don't see how Mut'a marriages are any different than Misyar marriages.. It's not openly accepted and most ppl are against them from both sects I presume?



Wtf.. What kind of question is this Muddy? LOl

Play with children in what way exactly? :o




Tell your friend to Shut it already, Poor thing is completely clueless. ;)

Lool xD I asked here coz i was surprised. Anyways thanks for the answeres :D


Let me tell you this, no matter from which sect you are, you can only approach anyone who has reached puberty. This is looked down upon in society but Islam never said age is a problem.

To answer your question, anyone who didn't reach their puberty should NOT be touched in any sexual way!

Ask your friend from where he heard that and let him give you a reliable proof for what he says.

Chiiill didnt mean to make you pissed or something, i just wanted to check and know more about all this :)
I'll make sure talking to him about this.

Thanks for the reply (Y)

[Aba_Thar]

Lool xD I asked here coz i was surprised. Anyways thanks for the answeres :D



Chiiill didnt mean to make you pissed or something, i just wanted to check and know more about all this :)
I'll make sure talking to him about this.

Thanks for the reply (Y)

Is it true that some school of thoughts say that our mother Aisha got married before age of 9? this Q can define the hukum if its ok to get married to under age without any ...... involved.

[Manta]

:DShia and Sunnis both are muslims...:D:cool:

[Breathless]

This is a general problem in most of Arabs Societies.


They have major problems in accepting others as they are. Instead, they keep underestimating them!

"With me or me and all my folks against you" attitude!
I so hate that.

[Lacrymosa]

I love to learn about others' religions and stuff. When I see Shia hit themselves and this stupid things, I asked my Shia friends, why do you do that? They say not all of us do, we know it's wrong and doesn't make sense, but some ignorant Shia do.

So I believe understanding others would be more efficient. :p:p Ask before you judge. :yes:

[Lacrymosa]

Oh, they say I'm Abadhi :p but I don't really care about Sectors. As long as I do what my religion tells me and follow the right thing on the Qur'an and sunna, why do I have to bother to follow some sub"Islam"? :o

[Geya]

my family is a mix of both and i dont see the difference i just follow whats right


i feel if your muslim or not thats when it counts and thts where the kids will be Fu<ked up

[Mimi]

Thought Shiites don't let their sons/daughters marry Sunnis, not the other way around. ANyway, I'm Sunni, and my cousin, who married a Shiite, is Sunni. Never heard of any kind of controversy before their marriage.

[DarK PrincesS]

'Cause people are extremely close minded?
and to be VERY honest, the hatred comes from a certain sect...
i guess they should stop "ASSUMING" about people and mind their own businesses

[Aba_Thar]

When I see Shia hit themselves and this stupid things, I asked my Shia friends, why do you do that? :yes:

I have found that our mother Aisha was beating her face on the day of Prophet's PBUH wafat
http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?hnum=25144&doc=6

there are 12 similar narrations.

I have read this verse in Surat Hood aya 29 about sayeda Sara A.S.
فأقبلت امرأته في صرة فصكت وجهها وقالت عجوز عقيم
infront of Nabi Ibrahim A.S. and Nabi Ibrahim A.S. being quite means evidence (Doings, Sayings, and being quite of Prophet's are evidence)

Do you call this behavior ma3ath allah Stupid?

[squinty]

^
So Shi'a beat themselves from sadness in Muharam?

I don't see them sad when they do it.

[Tinta]

This is why I don't marry Sunni/Sheia:
1. My parents would never approve someone who isn't fully Omani.
2. If I do get married to a Sunni/Sheia, I feel like my kids would be confused on which sector to follow, and that's what exactly happens to a friend I know, she's like "I don't know what I am, sometimes I pray Sunni, sometimes Ibadhi."
3.They might not have similar principles and values that I do, therefore each of the parties would have their own excuses.

:D

[Aba_Thar]

^
So Shi'a beat themselves from sadness in Muharam?

I don't see them sad when they do it.

i pasted the aya and the hadith based on hukum not based on sadness.. and if you dont c some sad, some doesnt equals all, and sadness as well has darajat. it's weird that some people see that crying on the Prophet's grandson after his martyrdom, whereas the Prophet PBUH cried on his Grandson before his martyrdom, and here is the narration:

http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?hnum=613&doc=6

In this narration, check how our mother Um Salama saw the Prophet PBUH in her dreams on the day of 3ashura (i'm sure that muslims believe that whoever see's the Prophet in his dream is true, especially if it was someone like Um Salama):
http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?hnum=2057&doc=6 (http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?hnum=2057&doc=6)

I got around 255 narrations regarding the same mentioned above, but i think 2 narrations are enough for now.

[marianna]

To me if families are picky about tribes then God can only imagine about the different Islamic sects. I feel for people who fall in love but are prohibited from marrying. Who wants an arranged marriage where the husband ends up treating the wife like a piece of furniture? Marry for love of course but in your culture I understand parental approval but have love too!

[Alex Belucci]

I marry who ever I feel is my perfect life partner, even if she was an Alien!

[Lacrymosa]

I have found that our mother Aisha was beating her face on the day of Prophet's PBUH wafat
http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?hnum=25144&doc=6

there are 12 similar narrations.

I have read this verse in Surat Hood aya 29 about sayeda Sara A.S.
فأقبلت امرأته في صرة فصكت وجهها وقالت عجوز عقيم
infront of Nabi Ibrahim A.S. and Nabi Ibrahim A.S. being quite means evidence (Doings, Sayings, and being quite of Prophet's are evidence)

Do you call this behavior ma3ath allah Stupid?

No matter what the reason is, it is VERY obvious that hurting the body is haraam (forbidden).

[Lacrymosa]

^
So Shi'a beat themselves from sadness in Muharam?

I don't see them sad when they do it.

As I said, only ignorant Shia do it, not all. All Shia friends I know hate this thing so much and they do not accept it and know it's haram.

[Markov]

There are many groups within Shia, some are staunch Shias who do not acknowledge anything non-shia

There are many groups within Sunni, some are staunch Sunnis who do not acknowledge anything non-sunni

[Diabian]

As I said, only ignorant Shia do it, not all. All Shia friends I know hate this thing so much and they do not accept it and know it's haram.

Whatever... those shia friends u're talkin about are either those who don't even pray or are just hiding the truth to avoid racist remarks against them :p

[STING]

Shia or Sunni, who cares?


Cross and Christians, end to end, i examined. He was not on the Cross. I went to the Hindu Temple, to the ancient pagoda. In none of them there was any sign. To the heights of Herat I went and to Kandhar, I looked. He was not on the elevation not on the low lands.

Resolutely I went to summit of the fabulous mountain of Ka'af. There was only the dwelling of the Anqa bird.I went to Kaaba at Mecca. He was not there. I asked him from Avicenna the philosopher. He was beyond the range of Avicenna, I looked into my own heart. In that place I saw him.

He was in no other place.

JELALUDIN RUMI

[squinty]

As I said, only ignorant Shia do it, not all. All Shia friends I know hate this thing so much and they do not accept it and know it's haram.

Forgive me for saying this, but they are the ones who are ignorant. I am a Shi'i but I have no idea why we do such things. What you see on YouTube (sabbing yourself, hitting yourself till you bleed, ... etc) is forbidden!

Yes, they do hit their chests sometimes so hard that it hurts but not the extent that they bleed.

I need to know WHY we do such things and when I asked some of the people they never gave me an answer and said we should just follow, and I am not going to till I know the reason for it.

[Lacrymosa]

Whatever... those shia friends u're talkin about are either those who don't even pray or are just hiding the truth to avoid racist remarks against them :p

Or it's just maybe they opened their eyes and realised that it IS wrong? :rolleyes:

[Lacrymosa]

Forgive me for saying this, but they are the ones who are ignorant. I am a Shi'i but I have no idea why we do such things. What you see on YouTube (sabbing yourself, hitting yourself till you bleed, ... etc) is forbidden!

Yes, they do hit their chests sometimes so hard that it hurts but not the extent that they bleed.

I need to know WHY we do such things and when I asked some of the people they never gave me an answer and said we should just follow, and I am not going to till I know the reason for it.

If you don't know why you do it, then WHY do you do it in the first place?:os Isn't this the ignorance itself? Even if it's without bleeding or whatever, WHAT is the purpose of beating the $h!t out of yourselves? :omg:

[Lacrymosa]

OK, here's something else. Why tattoo is forbidden? Before it can cause a lot of infection, it hurts the body so much, although it ends up with something beautiful. If tattoo is forbidden and it is something nice because it hurts the body, what about beating the body for nothing. Don't tell me you please Allah by that! No :no:

[DarK PrincesS]

I don't think anyone can judge and say whats wrong or right here. Every muslim has their different way but in the end its to worship allah
:)
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[Lacrymosa]

I don't think anyone can judge and say whats wrong or right here. Every muslim has their different way but in the end its to worship allah
:)
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But what's right is obvious.:):angel:

[squinty]

If you don't know why you do it, then WHY do you do it in the first place?:os Isn't this the ignorance itself? Even if it's without bleeding or whatever, WHAT is the purpose of beating the $h!t out of yourselves? :omg:

I don't do it anymore! :XD:
I am still looking for the answer to "why" we, Shi'a, do it. Until then, I cannot say it is stupid or not. :)

[Alex Belucci]

OK, here's something else. Why tattoo is forbidden?

If not mistaken, I think Tattoo is not forbidden with Shiias :)!

[Lacrymosa]

^ I didn't say it's not! :os

[squinty]

If not mistaken, I think Tattoo is not forbidden with Shiias :)!

oh really?
Please, enlighten me why. :)

[Lacrymosa]

^ Don't tell me now it's not forbidden, Squinty! :XD:

[-Alysa-]

Shia's aren't supposed to hit themselves until they bleed, it's not part of their obligations. What they do is tap themselves with their hands to imitate the pain but not inflict it entirely. They do so in the month of muharram in resemblance to the pain imam al husain or hasan endured during that month in the past. Those who stab and injure themselves are extremists and don't represent the rest of the sect.

[Aba_Thar]

No matter what the reason is, it is VERY obvious that hurting the body is haraam (forbidden).

so I understand from you 3 things, correct me if i am mistaken:

1- What Sayeda Aisha and the women surrounding her did on wafat of the Prophet PBUH and her father wafat is Haram?
2- What Sayeda Sara did is Haram?
3- Nabi Ibrahim A.S. not taking an action considered a big Sin? because if Nabi Ibrahim A.S. keeps quite then people will take hukum in that case?

[Aba_Thar]

OK, here's something else. Why tattoo is forbidden? Before it can cause a lot of infection, it hurts the body so much, although it ends up with something beautiful. If tattoo is forbidden and it is something nice because it hurts the body, what about beating the body for nothing. Don't tell me you please Allah by that! No :no:

I understand from your fatwa that anything hurts is haram. Ok based on your fatwa we have a new hukum shar3i: Women Piercing ears Haram, Based on that everything hurts is 7aram.

[Aba_Thar]

Forgive me for saying this, but they are the ones who are ignorant. I am a Shi'i but I have no idea why we do such things. What you see on YouTube (sabbing yourself, hitting yourself till you bleed, ... etc) is forbidden!

Yes, they do hit their chests sometimes so hard that it hurts but not the extent that they bleed.

I need to know WHY we do such things and when I asked some of the people they never gave me an answer and said we should just follow, and I am not going to till I know the reason for it.

Stabbing or bleeding is a different topic, this goes under shia - shia debate, because if you read ahkam of the scholars, i think you that Sayed Fadhl Allah forbids bleeding, Sayed Ali Khamena"i forbids as hukum thanawi, the thing which shia agree on is la6m which can be discussed.

Second point I think you Hadith Al Thaqalain? and you know that it is Mutawatar and not just Sahih (Kitab Allah Wa 3itrati Ahla Bayti) (Hold into the Book of God and Ahla Bayti), now when you see ahlulbayt A.S. who our Prophet PBUH asked us to follow making 3aza on Imam Hussain A.S. isnt that evidence on you? (unless you dont believe in hadith Thaqalayn thats another issue)

I think you know di3bil al Khiza3i for sure who made this poem:
أفاطم لو خلت الحسين مجدلاً ***** وقد مات عطشاناً بشط فرات
إذن للطمت الخد فاطم عنده ***** وأجريت دمع العين في الوجنات

now this Poem was said infront of Imam Ridha A.S., and Imam Ridha A.S. didn't Deter or ask him to stop, if there was something wrong, isnt Imam suppose to say: what u said about Sayeda Fatima A.S. is haram doesnt suits her level (btw Fa6ima Al Zahra A.S. is considered Ma3souma because she is Sayedat Nisa2 Ahl Al Janna and many other evidences). Narration of Imam Ridha is one.

Tahthib Al Ahkam part 8, Page 325 the Fa6imiyat made la6m infront of Imam Al Sadiq A.S. and Ima Al Sadiq A.S. didnt comment.

I can keep going typing narrations, but am not sure whats an evidence for you, which books or which narrator.


in the end i'd like you all to watch this video of Mufti Syria Sheikh Ahmed Hassoon, wish if you can listen to him, he is sunni and Mufti of a well known country

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LoMnUlXCMo&feature=related

[Lacrymosa]

so I understand from you 3 things, correct me if i am mistaken:

1- What Sayeda Aisha and the women surrounding her did on wafat of the Prophet PBUH and her father wafat is Haram?
2- What Sayeda Sara did is Haram?
3- Nabi Ibrahim A.S. not taking an action considered a big Sin? because if Nabi Ibrahim A.S. keeps quite then people will take hukum in that case?

(ليس منا من ضرب الخدود أو شق الجيوب أو دعا بدعوى الجاهلية)

I don't know how to translate this but it's says who slap their faces, rip their clothes is not from us.

What they did maybe was not haram in their days, but it's obviously haram now. And who even said that they did that? This is the first time I hear about! :os

[Lacrymosa]

I understand from your fatwa that anything hurts is haram. Ok based on your fatwa we have a new hukum shar3i: Women Piercing ears Haram, Based on that everything hurts is 7aram.

Piercing ears ends up with something beautiful! :dev: What does beating the hell out of yourself ends up with? Pleasing Allah? :dev: Nope! :rolleyes:

[Manta]

:DThis thread sound like<BOOM>....

Im Ibaadh...But I respect other islam sects...:D:mmhmm::p:cool:

[Alex Belucci]

oh really?
Please, enlighten me why. :)

I have no idea to "why", the question should be why it is forbidden. Anyway, a friend of mine who is Shiia from Iran told me that, and I know another Shiia friend from Muscat who has all tattoos over him. And they say its fine with them. Well I'm not against it or something, I always wanted tattoos anyway lol!

[Mimi]

:DThis thread sound like<BOOM>....

Im Ibaadh...But I respect other islam sects...:D:mmhmm::p:cool:
And we respect you too.

[Aba_Thar]

(ليس منا من ضرب الخدود أو شق الجيوب أو دعا بدعوى الجاهلية)
What they did maybe was not haram in their days :os

but the Prophet PBUH wasnt there after his wafat, how do you say that it wasnt haram in their days? who will bring new hukum after the Nabi? this verse and this hadith from a strong source are two evidences.

the hadith that you brought up, the hadith doesnt have the word AW (Or), it has the word WA (and) which makes a big difference, the and is continues (Waw 3a6f), da3wa al Jahiliya was objecting God's qadha2, not where your mind went. You cant call wal Iyath billah Sayeda Sara and Sayeda Aysha the words you just mentioned, it doesnt suits their level.

now you're left with 2 choices only:

1- either you accept your understanding and put 3 people in a big Sin cuz it says laysa mina which is very strong to be honest (Sayeda Aisha, Sayeda Sara, Nabi Ibrahim A.S.)

2- you accept that what the 3 people did was nothing wrong bout it.

[Aba_Thar]

Piercing ears ends up with something beautiful! :dev: What does beating the hell out of yourself ends up with? Pleasing Allah? :dev: Nope! :rolleyes:

you said all pain is haram, you didnt include the outcome is beautiful or not.

you have to change your fatwa now.

[Manta]

And we respect you too.:cool:Thanks...:cool:

[squinty]

I have no idea to "why", the question should be why it is forbidden. Anyway, a friend of mine who is Shiia from Iran told me that, and I know another Shiia friend from Muscat who has all tattoos over him. And they say its fine with them. Well I'm not against it or something, I always wanted tattoos anyway lol!

You can go and ask them WHO made it not forbidden. I know we are not allowed to hurt our bodies that God granted us AND we should not change how it looks. Tattoo is like adding extra things on your body that may look "nice" to peoples eyes but you have to ruin the perfect body God gave you for that to happen and I think it is forbidden to do so.


Surely We created man of the best stature

[Aba_Thar]

You can go and ask them WHO made it not forbidden. I know we are not allowed to hurt our bodies that God granted us AND we should not change how it looks.

What evidences do you believe in? which books?

[Lacrymosa]

but the Prophet PBUH wasnt there after his wafat, how do you say that it wasnt haram in their days? who will bring new hukum after the Nabi? this verse and this hadith from a strong source are two evidences.

the hadith that you brought up, the hadith doesnt have the word AW (Or), it has the word WA (and) which makes a big difference, the and is continues (Waw 3a6f), da3wa al Jahiliya was objecting God's qadha2, not where your mind went. You cant call wal Iyath billah Sayeda Sara and Sayeda Aysha the words you just mentioned, it doesnt suits their level.

now you're left with 2 choices only:

1- either you accept your understanding and put 3 people in a big Sin cuz it says laysa mina which is very strong to be honest (Sayeda Aisha, Sayeda Sara, Nabi Ibrahim A.S.)

2- you accept that what the 3 people did was nothing wrong bout it.

:dev: I won't accept it! :rolleyes:
And I don't know what really happened in those days, and I don't believe that they did what you say. :rn:

[Lacrymosa]

you said all pain is haram, you didnt include the outcome is beautiful or not.

you have to change your fatwa now.

OK, hurt yourself ok, no one stops you! :dev:

I don't believe in the sector thingie anyway, never did. I don't know where people got this thing from. So why don't we all believe in the beating thingie? :dev:

But here's the other thing, why don't you JUST follow the Qur'an and Sunna and don't get involved with the other characters like (Sayeda Aisha, Sayeda Sara, Nabi Ibrahim A.S.)? Oh and also Ali bin Abo Talib :rolleyes:

[Alex Belucci]

You can go and ask them WHO made it not forbidden. I know we are not allowed to hurt our bodies that God granted us AND we should not change how it looks. Tattoo is like adding extra things on your body that may look "nice" to peoples eyes but you have to ruin the perfect body God gave you for that to happen and I think it is forbidden to do so.

He passed away.

Henna is also adding extra things on the body, is that considered temporary ruining the perfect body God gave us?

[squinty]

He passed away.

Henna is also adding extra things on the body, is that considered temporary ruining the perfect body God gave us?

Allah yer7amo.

Henna goes out, unlike the tattoo which pierces the skin and stays there until you go for an operation to take it out.

[Aba_Thar]

:dev: I won't accept it! :rolleyes:
And I don't know what really happened in those days, and I don't believe that they did what you say. :rn:

Mabrook for rejecting those books:
Musnad Ahmed Bin 7anbal (one of the 4 Imams, Imam of 7anabla)
Abu Ya3la Al Mu9ili
Al Bayhaqi
Ibn Sa3ad (The Author of Al 6abaqat Al Kubra, known as 6abaqat Ibn Sa3d)
Ibn Al Atheer
Ibn 7ajr Al 3asqalani (the famous scholar of Jar7 and ta3deel of hadiths)
Ibn Hisham Al Humairi
Ibn Kuthair (the famous mufasir of Quran)
Al 6abary
Al 9al7i Al Shami
Ibn Mandhur


The surprise is that Al Albani says in Irwa2 Al Ghalil Book the hadith is 7asan.

I have a hadith that our Mother Aysha did it on wafat of her father too, i can paste it if you're interested. and if you want me to open that ta97i7 of the hadiths, i can do that too.

and Al Suhaili said this poem on the day of Wafat Al Nabi PBUH:
فالصبر يحمد في المصائب كلها ... إلا عليك فإنه مذموم
وقد كان يدعى لابس الصبر حازما ... فأصبح يدعى حازما حين يجزع

[squinty]

^
Could you please translate all your Arabic words?
It really causes annoyance to non-Arabic readers. Thank you for understanding.

[Aba_Thar]

OK, hurt yourself ok, no one stops you! :dev:

I don't believe in the sector thingie anyway, never did. I don't know where people got this thing from. So why don't we all believe in the beating thingie? :dev:

But here's the other thing, why don't you JUST follow the Qur'an and Sunna and don't get involved with the other characters like (Sayeda Aisha, Sayeda Sara, Nabi Ibrahim A.S.)? Oh and also Ali bin Abo Talib :rolleyes:

simply cuz the story of Sayeda Sara and Nabi Ibrahim A.S. is the Quran, and the story of Sayeda Aysha is the Sunna as simple as that. If you dont believe it, you can reject the books i listed and the story mentioned in the Verse, and thats it, you'll convince others about your opinion.

am not here to challenge or anything, am here to see any topic against shia i'll reply, but i wont start a topic with my sunni or abadhi brother cuz i dont believe in teasing my own brother or making fun of him. I can start teasing you easily with billions of topic, but we dont do that.

[Aba_Thar]

^
Could you please translate all your Arabic words?
It really causes annoyance to non-Arabic readers. Thank you for understanding.

Google Translator

Patience is praised in all calamities ... Otherwise you it is blameworthy
He was named to the wearer patience firm ... Became a firm called when panic

[Alex Belucci]

Allah yer7amo.

Henna goes out, unlike the tattoo which pierces the skin and stays there until you go for an operation to take it out.


So it is kinda considered temporary ruining the perfect body God gave us!

But both can go away anyway, and I can put Henna and when is starts to go I again put a new one on it! :P Tattoo just saves the time and work!

[Wejdan]

Personally I think as long as the person is Muslim it doesn’t matter which group do they belong 2- @ the end we are Muslims that’s all it matters

[Solmaaz]

Personally I think as long as the person is Muslim it doesn’t matter which group do they belong 2- @ the end we are Muslims that’s all it matters


Well said, we all believe in the same God at the end of the day we are all Muslims. Lets love each other and live with harmony instead of picking on each other over small issues which can be overcome through love and understanding.:inno:

[BrAiKi]

Why are there Sunna/Shia/Ibadhies?
Because people think differently.
Different sections having different practices and a slight difference in belief, that is a fact.

No section has the right to call themselves the right ones, because all of them, one way or another, have ijtihads* in them.
NB: an Ijtihad is when a scholar does research and then issues a fatwa on a matter.

[Markov]

They do so in the month of muharram in resemblance to the pain imam al husain or hasan endured during that month....

Which Iman are we talking about here, pls be specific

[-Alysa-]

when I said or, I did so because I wasn't sure. So I can't be specific.

[DarK PrincesS]

^ You mean Imam Hussein (R.A)

[HeaVenlySerpent]

Well It's wrong,
but..
Omani tribes generally oppose different ideas, I'm not saying all of them do, but some families do, and some are afraid of their grandsons/daughters being harassed and not accepted by both sides, I've heard a story like this once
as long as all of us believe in the oneness of god, We're all muslims