can i ask?

[Enjoy Ur Death]

i am sure that we have chrischian people with us here and they r most welcome ...

but can i ask them (especially mr pinnochio) what do they believe in ? who is their God ? do they pray? do they fast?

just want to know more about ur religion

( i apologise from mr pinnochio if he is not a christchan + i want to know more about this religion from their own people so any one is welcome)

[shamsery]

What is your question?

[Enjoy Ur Death]

oh thank u man. i was almost thinking that the westren people who r here r able to pick up what they think to be as a weak points in islam and don't know anything about their own religios, who knows may be they have this genetic dominancy ...

i want to ask about ur God ? who is / r ur God(s) ?
do u pray? how? at what time?
do u fast? how ? when? for how long?
what is ur holly book? how many different copies do u have of them?
from where do take ur life instructions?

and there r more ... i am just asking to know, so if u gave me the chance then i will ask more about things i don't know, and don't be afraid, i am not like other members who call other animals or genetically defective if they found ideas contrasting their own ideas ... it will be totally scientific and educational discussion and i will run according to the islamic rules of being polite with other people ...

thank u for ur contribution

[shamsery]

Dear Enjoy Ur Death,
It could be nice if you take a fake name Angle of Death. That could be more poetic. This just a suggestion.
Dear,
I would like to concentrate on your first paragraph of the lead only. Rest I shall discuss gradually.
What makes you this conclusion that the Western people here (on Sabla) for the picking up the week point of Islam only? Do you agree there are some week points in Islam? (As per your statements)
“don't know anything about their own religios,” This is a clear provocation. There are lot of people who knows their religion as well as Islam better than anybody? Please don’t ignore their depth of knowledge.
They do not have Genetic dominance on you rather they have economical and intellectual dominance on you.
Thanks & regards.

[Bimzoori]

MoonChild, wanderer, Pinno, Talius, etc...waiting to hear your answers :)

[CunNinG]

Well done Enjoy Ur Death
It’s a great idea to know more about other religions from their own people. I think many people want to know and read about other religions. We’ve been talking about Islam most of the time over here, so we would like to give the others the chance to tell us more about their religions.

[Arabian Princess]

I am waiting for answers from our western members.
Even if you dont beleive in a certain religion, just give us an idea of what you beleive in at least we could understand your point of view.

[samy]

"give the others the chance to tell us more about their religions."

assuming they know :D ...

i believe they r more interested in Islam.. which is really a great a achievement .. do not u see that guys? it is .. they r ready and well backed up with all the text and documents about the holly and only holly religion on the planet earth.. cooool wlaaah :)

[CunNinG]

Yes it’s.
In fact I met many non-Muslim people and some of them got really bad idea about Islam because they knew some of bad Muslims (( if I should call them Muslims)). I mean they met those people who gave a very bad impression about the Islam as a religion. I feel so sorry for that.
Last week I was in a dinner party with some of the western people, one of them was about to order a drink (alcohol) for himself and me! I told him I don’t drink. He was so surprised, and then he asked me why? I told him that we Muslim don’t drink alcohol because ( I told him the reasons) . Than he said, WAW! I didn’t know that before, I thought it’s allow to do so because I met many of Arab and Muslim in the par many times, and there were drinking and got drunk as well.
:6:

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by Bimzoori
MoonChild, wanderer, Pinno, Talius, etc...waiting to hear your answers :)

Oh, I only skimmed the question and thought it was a question for Christians.

As we have stated before, MoonChild and I are "western", but not Christian, Jew, or Muslim.

Personally, I don't know if there are Gods other than in mankind's myths and imaginations.

I don't attend any church services, though I'll go along with someone else if there's a special event - i.e. the closing ceremony of a week-long Bible camp Faith went to.

I am highly suspicious of "organized" religion.

[fatak]

The best place to learn about Christians is the Bible........this book is considered to be the word of God. However they have about 20 or 30 different sects.

The best place to learn about Judaism is the Torah.....this book is considered to be the word of God. they also have many different sects....

The best place to learn about Islam is the Quran.....this book is considered to be the word of God. They too have have lots of different sects.



Salam/Shalom/Peace

cheers
fatak

[Wanderer]

Wanderer & Fatak,

since we are in the Religion Sabla, we should show some respect for the place, and avoid un-necessary side talk which lower the level of the discussion...

You can always have fun and tell jokes in the Members Lounge

We are here to share with each other constructive ideas and thoughts about Religion..

thanx,

Bimzoori

[fatak]

Edited for the reason stated above

[Enjoy Ur Death]

salam for all muslims
i wanted only to make few things posted about my posting clear but only after thanking every one here for their contributions

1st

What makes you this conclusion that the Western people here (on Sabla) for the picking up the week point of Islam only? Do you agree there are some week points in Islam? (As per your statements) posted by sham., but please my frined, i didn't say so , see


i was almost thinking that the westren people who r here r able to pick up what they think to be as a weak points in islam and don't know anything about their own religios posted by myself ... i said what THEY THINK .. ot what actually r ??

2nd

They do not have Genetic dominance on you rather they have economical and intellectual dominance on you.

yes, i can understand how u r burning ... see , this how it affect u when u recieve but some people say it as they r talking very politely ....
+
i don't agree they r intellectually better than us
+
they r economically superior for some reasons should not to be discussed in religion sabla

[X-press]

Originally posted by Enjoy Ur Death
i want to ask about ur God ? who is / r ur God(s) ?
do u pray? how? at what time?
do u fast? how ? when? for how long?
what is ur holly book? how many different copies do u have of them?
from where do take ur life instructions?

Very interesting thread "Enjoy Ur Death" and it seems some members didn't yet understand the clear questions you politely asked above to the non-muslims...

Enjoy Ur Death is asking about other religions outside Islam. No need to put anyone down here or make jokes which might offend other members

Wanderer, thanks for your first reply and you certainly have the right to have your own belief. It might be interesting if you tell us if you are in search of a belief or not. Are you content not to have any religion?

[fatak]

Sorry about that........No disrespect intented......

Sometimes we see humor as a way to take the edge off......a sensitive topic.....but I see that's not appropriate...



Anyway.......I'll watch it.....

cheers
fatak

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by X-press

Wanderer, thanks for your first reply and you certainly have the right to have your own belief. It might be interesting if you tell us if you are in search of a belief or not. Are you content not to have any religion?

That's a doozy, X-Press.

Briefly, I am in search of the truth. I don't know if there are gods, aliens, angels, or ghosts, but I'm not going to say the none of them exist - 'cause I don't know. I find them all very interesting as philosophy and phenomona and it's interesting to speculate, but I've not encountered any of them and haven't met a credible witness either.

If I have a belief, it's that the earth is very old, that we are in fact a type of ape, and that human civilizations have sprouted, been knocked down, and sprouted again. I believe that we are predisposed to create religions and spiritual beliefs because we are cognitive of our mortality and to not have hope beyond the grave is overwhelmingly sad to so many of us (myself included). I tell MoonChild (who has a set of different belief)s that we are an Insane Ape, because of our awareness of our impending death.

I'm sure I would sleep more comfortably at night if I "just knew" that I was a chosen one of God and that He/She had assigned a particularly powerful Guardian Angel to watch over me, but it would be a comfort of self-deception. It might also make me behave differently to others, I mean who cares about other's when I'm protected from above.

I'm not a Christian, because I believe the message of Christianity is pacifism. While it's a noble philosophy, though rarley practised correctly by self-proclaimed Christians, I am not a pacifist. If someone strikes me, I have no plans to turn the other cheek. Rather, I will hit back.

I do admit to being a bit reverent (and emotional) of those who have died or been injured fighting to protect themselves, their families, and their countries/cultures - whether in war or any of the other dangers that may befall us. I honor and respect their bravery. I hope I'm never in those situations, but if I am, I hope I don't let anyone down.

Perhaps what is important to me more than any other's promise of a spiritual life after death, is that I be fondly remembered by the living until everything about my life wanders away into the past.

[shamsery]

Dear Enjoy Ur Death,
Refer to your post no.60. My answer.
Quote: i was almost thinking that the westren people who r here r able to pick up what they think to be as a weak points in islam” Unquote.
Please allow me to read the sentence in this way “I was almost thinking that the western people who are here are able to pick up what they think to be as a weak points in Islam”.
What does the sentence mean? You were thinking, you were feeling, you were observing, you were witnessing some thing. What was your observation: western people who are here (Sabla) are able to pick up what they think to be as a weak point in Islam.
Q. What western people can do? They are able to pick up the week points of Islam what they think. Was it not a conclusion from your end? If you are a Muslim this was a confused conclusion, if you are a non-Muslim, you very intelligently tried to prove there are some week points in Islam.
If I have misunderstood or misinterpreted your statement, I apologize.
I shall be out of net for sometime due to some personal reason. Rest I hope to discuss on my return.

[MoonChild]

Big topic, EUD. I thought you were just asking Christians as well. I will try to post some of my beliefs later this evening when I have a bit of time...

[Enjoy Ur Death]

salam for all muslims

1st
it seems that my English is really poor so i do apologise for that from each member as well as from the Islam cos some members interpreted my statements as to make Islam weak and i think ISLAM HAS NO WEAKNESS, IT IS ALL PERFECT. i think this will end this discussion

2nd
i am still asking about Christians till now and i didn't get any answer? WHOME DO THEY BELIEVE IN TO BE THEIR GOD? i might be still not clear but i am sorry i can't make more clear than this

3rd
regarding mr wopunderer and other members who don't believe in any religion, i would like to discuss with them and with the participation of the other members in a new thread called " is there any GOD " ?

[shamsery]

Dear Moonchild,
Would you please take the trouble to post your beliefs?