The Prophet said

[Mr Tickle]

"A man is never alone with a woman except that Satan is the third."

Recorded by Ahmad and al-Tirmidhi. Al-Albani says it is sahih. Al-Albani, Sahih al-Jami, vol. 1, p. 234.-JZ

" I have not left behind me any temptation more harmful for men than women."

Recorded by al-Bukhari and Muslin--JZ

[abu Suleiman]

Dear mr pinnochio,

What do trying to say by posting these two hadeeth?:D

[Mr Tickle]

umm

how about

disgraceful?

[abu Suleiman]

Its not disgraceful for all women.
1st hadeeth warns us to sit in a closed place with a women that u can get married with her in case u need. (i.e. not your mother, sister or so on).
2nd one,,,You see if a women forgets Allah, she will drive her man to a way could be not safe.
But if she keeps her duty towords Allah she wont be involved in that hadeeth and she will be helpful toher man and her community.
Islam always looks for clean community.

[Mr Tickle]

if a woman forgets Allah?

why should women be blamed for pathetic men?

These Hadiths are used to justify so many things - see the fatawa below on driving

[Bimzoori]

Both men and women are equally blamed for evil actions..both will be punished equaly for their sins, and by the same token, will be rewraded equally for their good deeds.. this is one thing..

The other thing, regarding the first hadeeth you have posted..as you might well know that Islam prohibits adultery and all the ways and acts that lead to it are also prohibited...
As we say in Arabic "dirhamu wiqaya khairun min qin6ari 3ilaj", in other words..""Prevention is better than cure"..Islam takes alll the necessary measurments to prevent people from commiting sins...

Consider the followong verse from the Quran..

"And come not near to adultery; for it is an indecent deed and evil way"[Quran 17:32]

So, any act leading to sins is forbidden in Islam..

A man and a women being alone in a room might lead to unwanted consequences...

[Arabian Princess]

Thanx Bimmy for your well said answer.

As she said, all the doors for a great sin such as adultry should be closed, and what could be better than not allowing a man and woman alone?!!

[abu Suleiman]

Thank u very much for your good and strong reply.
May Allah be with u all the time and to grant u easeful life.:)

[Mr Tickle]

you really are repressed aren't you?

To have the capacity to think that two people who stand in a lift together are going to commit adultery is extraordinary

are you ashamed of your bodies?

do you always have sex with the lights out?

'pull down my nightie when you have finished darling'

[Enjoy Ur Death]

salam for all muslims and dame on all who works against islam

1st, mr pinnochio if u know that a fire is going to take in ur home would u prevent it . i think u r smart enough to do so...

we learn from westren countries were the 2 genders have sex while they r waiting in the cinema's quee or while they r watching the movie, while they r in the college, and even when they r trained in dating in their childhood .... we believe that females and males r not created to have sex but to go towards ALLAH, thus we try to stop anything that may lead us to the meserable condition u people live in the west

then, if u want tu put on the nightie or remove them then this is up to u, :wink:

[Mr Tickle]

MADNESS

Are you different to Western people?

Do you have different genes?

How come I can be in a lift with a strange woman and not think about adultery?

Why do you think this?

do you need help?

[Enjoy Ur Death]

we may have different genes than u people
we genes called shy & protection
u have genes of free sex
sorry, these r not available in islam

by the way, u haven't seen any sexual relationship in west taking place while waiting or during watching a movies in a cinema??!! go to UK in Manchester & London or to USA in Texas, Washington and other places even in streets ... oh sorry, u ahve great sexual genes, enjoy them ?

here, we try to minimise the chance of getting troubles and unislamic relations ... i don't think that men here think in any women who is with them in a lift or any where cos our islam protect us from these mistakes by teaching us how should sex take place + where + with whom ... in the west these r not availables ..... we learnt that women r diamonds and we shall protect these diamonds, we try not to keep them ALONE with any man ... we trust him and her but we saw what happened to ur westren societies when u made FREE REALTIONS & FREE SEX .. thank u man keep these mutated unhuman genes for westren societies ...

WE LOVE OUR ISLAM

[Thug4Life]

because of such regulations that we Have in Islam compare the rates of crimes and sexual abuse, rape, ....and SINGLE Mothers...abonded children...In islamic countries as a wholllleee and ur community Mr Pinno!!! and the western community in general!

[MoonChild]

Haven't you guys figured out that movies are FANTASY?!

Sex in a cinema queue? Sex in an elevator?

Puh -lease.

I'm not saying western culture is perfect... but have a little common sense, gentlemen!

[Thug4Life]

we r not talking about movies dear lady we r talking about true facts (statistics) and well known figures!
we know the difference between a movie and a real life :)

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by Thug4Life
...compare the rates of crimes and sexual abuse, rape, ....and SINGLE Mothers...abonded children...In islamic countries as a wholllleee and ur community Mr Pinno!!! and the western community in general!

Few westerners move to Islamic countries.

Fewer still wish to commit suicide by exploding.

[Thug4Life]

Originally posted by Wanderer


Few westerners move to Islamic countries.

Fewer still wish to commit suicide by exploding.
and yet not correlated to the general situation in the western communitieS ;) with a (S)

[Enjoy Ur Death]

oh co0ol
hope i don't find mr pinnochio saying that now we have a GENETIC defect in comparing relaity with movies ... congratulation mr pinnochio, u found new thing now !!!!!

let me ask this again and again, isn't protection better than having any expected problem .... islam taught us that absolute mixing + according to this hadeth if we kept two different genders together then evil may come into them ..... don't u believe in a good environment for bacteria to live and destriy things, if u don't provide this environment then it is less likely for these spoilling bacteria to grow up, this is the whole idea in ascientific way .... mr pinnochio gave the exapmle of being together in a lift, but what if they r room mate, do u expect that nothing happens between them ?? i don't say it is amust but i say isn't there any percentage ??! is that percentage equals to the same percentage if they r not alone ??!! if usay yes it is he same then i think this the end of our discussion cos we ( who r supposed to be GENETICALLY defective but have our religion) think it is not the same thus we try to minimize the chance of having problems in our societies ....

moon child, we r not talking from no basis, please go to any search web site and u will find many statistics about sexually resulted problems + we have been there in ur countries saw how sex is practiced and how it is used and simply we don't like to be as u ( and since we have a religious basis for that it makes us GENETICALLY defective according to mr pinnochio ... welcome westren mentalities ) ;)

[sanwin25]

How sad.

Basically you are saying a Muslim is not much different from an animal. Can't control one urges.

In a zoo, if you don't want two animals to mate (which is the natural instinct in animals and humans) you need to keep them apart. Because an animal does not posess the required reasoning power to determine whether the act of mating is right or wrong, or the environment is right or wrong. Human beings can make that decision. Thats why we are considered superior to animals.

Now according to your logic, you are unable to control your urges and might just choose to procreate in an elevator or movie queue ! Perhaps forcible castration would be a better solution to your uncontrollable urges.

[Thug4Life]

what u show here Mr sanwin is this new theory:
((to protect ur self from any danger, cure is better than prevention!..self control is the best cure for any sociaty problem!))

now dear members if u read very carefully to what MR sanwin wrote above what do u conclude!! easy!
we dont need a religion at all!!! we dont need advices , we dont need police...we dont need rules!...if a crime happens it happens occationally due to lack of SELF CONTROL!...other wise he aint different from an animal!!! cause animals cant control their instincts..Is that so!!!...let us analyse it more!
(( animal does not posess the required reasoning power to determine whether the act of mating is right or wrong, or the environment is right or wrong. Human beings can make that decision. Thats why we are considered superior to animals. ))
U say that like u r showing that humans never make mistakes! cause they reason!..well plzzz oo plzzz I didnt say that u r wrong and humans are not supirior to animals..No NO!...But we have our own minds..we have our own descision making power But that doest mean that we dont have to protect our selves from our own sleves!!!! just because we have this will and descision power!!!...any ways....
Hope u got what I meant! and man....ur new theory..throw it in a dust bean :D:D

[Thug4Life]

by the way sanwin25 noo need to insult muslims, members, christians..or whom ever when u dont know how to interpret or misinterpret others replys!to Insult in a way is it self an Animalistic Approach!
U r better than that I assume!!!!!!

[NaBHaN]

Originally posted by sanwin25
How sad.Basically you are saying a Muslim is not much different from an animal. Can't control one urges.

Our way of living and obeying the rules has giving us much more peach and security than any other way!! so it's not up to you to judge cause obviously you are not one of us ,and sorry but when remembering your western ways the only picture that comes is a gutter sewer !!!! sorry..but you started!!

[sanwin25]

Why don't you all go back and re-read the post, try and understand it and then try to comment ?

If you consider human beings to be so weak that the only way to prevent wrongdoing is to ban it outright, then you live in a miserable society. Unfortunately even in such a society bad things happen.

There is a limit to how much prevention can really stop evil.

If you can honestly tell me that sexual crime does not exist in countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran then we can continue this discussion. Otherwise I have made my point.

[Arabian Princess]

Sanwin, Yes they do occur .. but why??????? becuase those muslims who are commiting these crimes do not follow what Islam says. Islam ask us not to stay alone with guys, it ask the guys to stop looking at girls and it ask girls to wear modest clothes. This is all to prevent the action from hapenning .. but when the people do not follow what Islam says what do you expect to happen?!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bimzoori]

Originally posted by sanwin25
If you can honestly tell me that sexual crime does not exist in countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran then we can continue this discussion. Otherwise I have made my point.

we wont lie and say that there arent any sexual crimes in our cuntries..there are..why?? because, as AP said, people no longer abide by the teachings of Islam..second, the rate of sexual crimes in our countries is nothing compared to those in the West..

Muslims have lived in a "utopia" in a certain period of heir history, Islam was able to establish a unique and deal community that no other Religon or social system has ever been able to establish in reality.....read with an open mind the history of Islam, and you would see what we mean...

[Thug4Life]

Oo well Back to zero point as usual (vicious cycle!!)...
back to the rates..statistics..compare and tell me hounistly..u will find such great difference in the rates of crimes in western sociaties and our Islamic societies! why??? is it just Luck! ?
is it that we have different genes as Mr Pino ones said!?
The answer is clear!..we follow the islamic preventive measures! u guys in the west dont!....and who doesnt even within our community MIGHT (big possibility) fall into sins!!! (i said big possibility ok..!!!

:duh:

[sanwin25]

There used to be a device called a chastity belt in the old days. Maybe a large order of such devices would help those weak persons who could not control their sexual urges in elevators and movie queues.

You really give no importance to human thinking and restraint, do you ?

[Enjoy Ur Death]

oh co0ol , so now if u r trying to protect ur societies from falling into sexual dangers then u r animals , congratulations mr pinnochio, now we have totally other genes, see where ur research ends, great for u

1st
most of them can have sex in front of any one and in any place

2nd
coming back to the new theory of sanwin
muslims don't practice sex while waiting in Qs or in cinema but these smth normal in west and they don't call it sex as they didn't become nude or they didn't have the complete sexual relation ....

3rd
muslims try to avoid the social and sexual detorieration but in west strapping bars r sort of an art

4th
no one is vergin at the time the lady almost finishes her college but the intersting part is that MANY r not married but may be pregnant

i think WESTREN R CLOSER TO ANIMALS than us .... i think the people who r writing here from the west r trying to cover a big visible elephant by their toes .... U R SOCIRTIES HAVE MANY SEXUAL PROBLEMS AND SEX IS PRACTICED EVERY WHERE AND IN FRONT OF EVERY ONE IN UR BUT NOT OUR COUNTRIES ... haven't u people lived in ur own countries ??!!

[Mr Tickle]

enjoy your death

have you ever been to a western country?

[Enjoy Ur Death]

no mr pinnochio but my friends + brothers have been there for long time

[sanwin25]

Enjoy...

Are you really as dense as you appear to be ?

[Enjoy Ur Death]

sorry sanwin, i din't get ur point ... my mothertongue is not English. can u make ur pointer more obvious please? sorry for my weak language