Prohibition of Shaking Hands with a Non-Related Woman

[Mr Tickle]

Question: Why does Islam forbid a man from shaking the hand of a woman whom he is not related to? Does shaking hands without lust invalidate one's ablution?

Response: Islam has forbidden that because it is a temptation.1 One of the greatest forms of temptation is for a man to touch a woman he is not related to. Everything that leads to temptation is prohibited by the Law. This is why one is required to lower one's gaze as a means of blocking that evil. As for a man touching his wife, it does not invalidate the ablution. This is so even if it is done with lust-- unless he releases some prostatic fluid or sperm. In that case, he must make ghusl if it were sperm; he must make ablution and wash his male organ and testicles if it were prostatic fluid.

Shaikh ibn Uthaimin

[Bimzoori]

Thnx for the reminder Mr.Pinnochio..:)

May Allah guide us all. AMeen.

Alhamdillah, Islam came to guide humanity and guard against the degeneration of moral values in the Muslim society.. :)

[Mr Tickle]

childish

[Enjoy Ur Death]

salam for all muslims
thank ALLAH that he closed all the ways for us to be like the sexual westren society who consider sex as a casual relation whereas we consider it a gift from ALLAH that should only be used with the right person and in the correct way ...

by the way mr pinnochio, do u want to ask anything or u want just to say what u know about islam ?? :)

[Mr Tickle]

I think you must have different genes

It is laughable to believe that shaking someone's hand means that you will commit adultery etc

[Enjoy Ur Death]

salam for all muslims
1st
i can make ur own word converts against ur own opinion, so i can say that u have a gene mutation by which ladies do not excite u, however , i don't like my discussions to be so cheap + i know that u ur self not conienced with what u have said, rn't u ??

2nd
again and again, why do u want us to shake hands with women?! is it cos u do so ?!! in islam we think that ladies should be treated as diamonds and no diamond is left for every one to touch her ....

3rd
in Japan, they don't greet each other by shaking hands, would u ask them the same thing?!

4th
can u be honest for few monets with ur self and answer my Q .. haven't ever u seen or heard (or did, since u r shaking hands with ladies) that thish shaking hands makes ur emotional ( and not sexual) feelings towars that lady r strengthen ??!! haven't u seen a shaking of hands where the hands kept together for long time or seperated very slowly ( as we see in westren movies at least + arabian movies nowdays) not by an ciident but cos it was ment to be so as the couple r missing each other or transmitting their emotions through their touch ??!! please don't make fun on muslims only for one second and give the chance for ur brain + ur logic + ur mrmory to judje or recall any such an event .....
in islam we believe that these r specific rights for the husband ...

5th
if u see that these discussions give u the chance to make fun on our believes rather than to discuss them then please leave this islamic & arabic site OR discuss politely and scientifically + remember that ur societies have many folish mistakes which i can critisize but as i said previously i don't want my discussions to unbanficial ( and this what islam taught us in contrast to what some people r doing here :wink: )

[FaHaD]

human are born with certain instincts, i.e. with a natural tendency to satisfy their biologically determined needs for food, shelter and warmth...
and sex is one of the instincts..., and in psychiatry those instincts are referred as the ID...thus whenever a man and a women meet there will be an inner sexual instincts ( even between the mother and the child = see below), but those instincts are controlled by ur environment and religion ( in psychiatry called the ego and superego)...
thus may be u mr. pni. feel it as an easy thing cos u may not have the religion control ( superego),,,, and imagine the results when the sexual instincts are not controoled when a man meet a women...

yeah regarding the sexual instincts between the mom and the women , this is dicussed well by the frued sigmond , who is called the father of psychiatry, in his psychoanalytic theory ,,,where he describe the first stage of personality the following:
"Freud claimed that all human beings are born with certain instincts, i.e. with a natural tendency to satisfy their biologically determined needs for food, shelter and warmth. The satisfaction of these needs is both practical and a source of pleasure which Freud refers to as "sexual". Thus, when the infant, sucking at its mother's breast discovers the pleasure inherent in this activity, the first glimmers of sexuality are awakened. The child discovers an erotogenic zone which may be reactivated later in life through thumbsucking or kissing. Through this intimate interaction with the mother, upon whom the child is dependent, a sexual drive emerges. As this drive is separated out from its original function as a purely biological instinct, it achieves a relative autonomy. "..
to know more about this theory go to this link: see what frued said (http://www.panix.com/~squigle/at/psycho.html)

thus mr. pin.. can u say something about this...
islaam had given rules which some people won't like but u have to remember there is a reason behind every rule...

[Enjoy Ur Death]

thanx FaHad, their own evidence for them

oh mr pinnochio please don't say now that freud was muslim or his theory is unacceptable in westren societies ??
maybe u would say that he has GENETIC problem as well, as u always think about muslims ....

have a good research in ur genetics ... good luck :color:

[Bimzoori]

Fahad and Enjoy ur Death...jazakum Allah khair...May God reward you the best...

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by Enjoy Ur Death
thanx FaHad, their own evidence for them



Actually the funny part is all you Muslims relying on the Psychological theories of a Jew.

Some of his theories support my idea that the primary motivation of Palestinian suicide bombers is suicide, not freedom fighting.

"Freud began to believe that "under" and "beside" the life instincts there was a death instinct. He began to believe that every person has an unconscious wish to die."

"This seems like a strange idea at first, and it was rejected by many of his students, but I think it has some basis in experience: Life can be a painful and exhausting process. There is easily, for the great majority of people in the world, more pain than pleasure in life -- something we are extremely reluctant to admit! Death promises release from the struggle."

So the Palestinian suicide bombers are giving up and want to die. When they actually do it - well, it's called suicide isn't it ? I think they must all go to Hell, misled by Muslim Clerics. How awful.

[FaHaD]

WooooW what a strange thing, we are talking about something then we are shifted to another thing...WooooW..

wanderer, If I come to ur home and kill all of ur home people and torture others and steal all ur properties… I think u will sacrifice ur self just because u like to die not for ur home.. this is what u r trying to say..

Try to understand what Freud trying to say, if death is ur inner instinct there must be an ID or superego to suppress it but if there are Jews who are killing children , women and elderly people that suppression will go away..
Anyway, let us dicuss about what Mr. Pinn. Want to know…

[Wanderer]

OK, Fahad.

I shook the hands of 2 female MD's on Saturday evening. Both were attractive, but I haven't had sexual fantasies about either of them. In fact, I've forgotten their names (admittedly not a good test of whether I had sexual fantasies about particular women or not).

Ahhh.......

Whoops, OK, so now I've had a fantasy about one of them, but I also thought about one of the nurses and I didn't touch her at all.

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by FaHaD
wanderer, If I come to ur home and kill all of ur home people and torture others and steal all ur properties… I think u will sacrifice ur self just because u like to die not for ur home.. this is what u r trying to say..

Fahad, are you suggesting that all of the suicide murderers had this happen to them? You are making things up and perpetuating myths and rumor. Next you'll be saying the Israeli soldiers eat their enemies and all are rapists. If what you say is true, why are there ANY "Palestinian" males remaining in Gaza and the West Bank at all? Wouldn't your "monsters" have killed them all, and taken all of their possessions and women. NO they have NOT.


Palestinian suicide bombers want to STOP fighting for Allah, they want to die so they can stop. The rest - where and how is incidental. Just Suicide.

[MoonChild]

Originally posted by Wanderer
Whoops, OK, so now I've had a fantasy about one of them, but I also thought about one of the nurses and I didn't touch her at all.


Guys you may not hear from Wanderer for a while, while he recovering from his injuries...

[FaHaD]

Wanderer,, what u r talking about had been discussed many time... and i don't want to go through it here cos we are talking about something else... .. cos what i find not only in this thread but in other, that discussion are shifted away from the main tract..

regarding ur story about the girl shaking,,, if u have controoled ur egoes and u have an strong superego ( religion) u wnat ever think of ur desire toward any foriegn girl who can be a sister , mother of someone maybe ur friend...

and as enjoy ur death said islam consider the women as a diamond for her husband not a tool of everyone desires...

[Mr Tickle]

errrrrrrrrrrrrr

can you point out the link between what Freud said in your quotation and shaking hands?

I feel very sorry for you if you get an instant erection when you shake a lady's hand

it must be hard

[sanwin25]

:gap: :gap: :gap:

:6:

[FaHaD]

mr . pin we muslim are not animals to be like u.... if u want to discuss u have to learn from it .. not to hide from it by some silly comments...
about the link between frued theory and the shaking i said it very clearly like water and many understood it man.. so and read clearly man.. i know sometme u copy paste without understanding or may be we have abnormal genes as enjoy ur death said....

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by FaHaD
Wanderer,, ...islam consider the women as a diamond for her husband not a tool of everyone desires...

Yet these "untouchable diamonds of Islam" can be recruited to strap bombs onto themselves ?

Women are diamonds and suicide is forbidden, yet Muslims can convince a Muslim woman to become a suicidal guided missle to murder other woman and children.

As long as we don't reveal her face to men, nor touch her - lest we have impure thoughts, and as long as all the Islamic rules are broken only while "fighting" against Israel.

You all should be lawyers and politicians.

[Mr Tickle]

fahad

no, you have lost me. Please explain the connection between your quote about Freud and shaking hands?

Do you really get excited at the thought of shaking someone's hand?

Are you THAT sexually frustrated?

or are you a teenager and your hormones are going crazy?

[Wanderer]

I'm sure Freud would have thought that shaking hands is actually a substitute for mutual mastrubation and *ss sniffing - clasping and pumping everyone you meet.

Now, about those cigars ...

[Enjoy Ur Death]

well

1st
mr wounderer, u don't have a religion so u eill not understand what the Palastinian do + this is not the place to post such a thing and i am strongly asking the moderator to keep any eye on that .....

2nd
any one please if they r gentically defective or not educated or don't know or haven't learnt the polite way of discussing then please leave this respectful site

3rd
mr pinnochio maybe FaHad is older than what u think but i feel like someone here is much more older to understand sex or be able to discuss ....

4th
i can't believe how come u r from develped countries where u believe in the freedome but u still prisoner of ur own society and cannot think out of it .... i won't be surprised if u said why don't u hug ladies cos it is normal way of greeting in ur society so why don't we do it ?

5th
Freud is Jewish and we all know that and that's why his theory was brought for u guys ... u believe his theories r right but we don't believe in what is contraindicating with our great islam

6th
this is the difference between us and u ,

I shook the hands of 2 female MD's on Saturday evening. Both were attractive, but I haven't had sexual fantasies about either of them. In fact, I've forgotten their names (admittedly not a good test of whether I had sexual fantasies about particular women or not).

we according to islamic rules learnt to respect females as holly creatures but u still link between it and sex .. isn't it strange people?? if u making a lady almost nude in the mid day in front of every one then u r right and developed and if u refuse for such a thing to happen and prevent it then u r under-develped ???

7th
haven't u noticed smth, u r discussing for nothing .. we brought scientific theories and satistics for u but u kept saying unproven words and making laugh, this remind me what the holly Quran says (åã ßÇáÃäÚÇã Èá åã ÃÖá)

:eyes:

[Wanderer]

Holy creatures with or without the bombs strapped to themselves ?

What a beautiful bomb ?

[X-press]

Originally posted by mr pinnochio
I think you must have different genes

It is laughable to believe that shaking someone's hand means that you will commit adultery etc



Pino, why do you come with the word "adultery" here? Islam just forbid men to shake the hand of a women they are not related too and vise versa, for the simple reason you quote: because of temptation.

Wanderer, of course you will shake hands with so many women around you that you will not feel anything special...I can't blame you. You are part of a lifestyle where everything is permissible, so what is the big deal about a hand?? I don't blame you but your society, which opened over the years so many doors of freedom, that touching the hand of a stranger doesn't bring any feelings whatsoever to you.

You can't understand "Enjoy Ur Death" or "Fahad" and again I know why. Go back to your grand-parents or grand-grand-parents and they will understand these two members. Why? Because they had strong values and for them touching the hand, the arm, the hair of a woman they didn't know was unconceivable and too intimate. A look was sufficient and could bring feelings that yourself have never felt.

Another exemple: Just 20 years ago, the international fashion catwalk had women fully dressed; today they already expose their breasts and behind; tomorrow they will be maybe totally naked. 10 years ago, in the west the nakedness of a woman was something sacred; today, as you see it everywhere, it is viewed as not that of a big deal; tomorrow it will have lost completely its value.

Wandy, when you will tell your grand-children that seeing a girl's nakedness should be valued and its puplic exposure should be forbidden...they will sadly enough not understand you.

I still don't get what suicide bombings in Palestine got to do with this topic...

[Najah]

Well said Xpress well said,
Such a go0d grandy example!
i wonder why they dont get what they dont want to get!
sub7anna allah,

[samy]

Let me assume that Mr wandrer is so concerned a bout humanitarian issues so he condemning the holistic war in Palestine ..he should not stop talking forever including mentioning what his people had done and will do to all mankind in all wars they initiated .. yet. He is keep telling the same a bout what our heroes are doing in defending their lands .. this is to make it clear that mr wandrere will behave the same all the time ..infact they will all behave the same .. guys ..just stop dreaming that they may be fair oneday .. cuz they will not .. why??? It is a matter of hating Islam as a religion .. believe friends not matter what we do or trying to do .. it is of no use .. they r racist they r stupid they r nazis . the topic is talking a bout something and he is talking a bout something else ..which is showing out what he is suffering from.. is he so concerned a bout the Jews where his grandfathers history is full of blood***** where the Jews were victims .. I do not think so .. I feel it is his commitment and all his people to go on with their nasty actions against all mankind and especially against Muslims..

[Najah]

Well said samy!
I wonder why we keep trying to answer those kind of minds!
they never get it cause they dont want to,
And specialy the worst sentence for this month was about the palestinians! huh awena they kill not for their home give me a break!

[IceTea]

Women in Islam are not a puplic toilet, where everybody can shake hands, hug, kiss and have sex with. They are protected and treated like pearls and not meant for pleasure only and to satisfy men needs.

[sanwin25]

ha ha ha, thats a good one.

[FaHaD]

well done x-press and samy...great reply..

bimzooori, now i believe in what u said once that donkies only learn by repetition..

mr.pin.. seem spooon feeding is not a good way in learning.. i guess for u to read more about wat does ID, ego, superego means .. and then u come here and try to link whatever u said ith what i have said... enjoy ur death knows them this is why he understood what i meant...
i got some few sites about that u can search more if u want..
moby****s.com/lecture/SigmundFreudhall/wwwboard23.html
http://www.top-biography.com/0050-Sigmund%20Frued/theories.htm
http://www.psychnet-uk.com/psychotherapy/psychotherapy_freudian.htm

[MoonChild]

Originally posted by Enjoy Ur Death
5th
Freud is Jewish and we all know that and that's why his theory was brought for u guys ... u believe his theories r right but we don't believe in what is contraindicating with our great islam


so the only reason Freud was mentioned was because you thought that because he was Jewish, and you think that alone would convince anyone that his theories are correct (and applicable to Islamic law set down 1400 years ago)?

Racist drivel.

Whatever happened to considering the merits of a theory? The heritage of the author is completely irrelevant. WE know that, as apparently you don't.

How disappointing.

[FaHaD]

It is laughable to believe that shaking someone's hand means that you will commit adultery etc Mr. pin.

i did not mention frued because he is a jewish.. no we thank frued alot and we are using his theoies...

but seem mr. pin did not believe about the inner human instincts which are present in everybody ... but these instincs are controlled by ego and supergo... and how much they can supress the instincs(ID) depend on how strong is ur supergo ( which can be religion or parents, tradition..etc)... and this is why we are respecting girl becuase our instincts are controled by our religion which respect women....
and this thing is well explained by frued .. and enjoy ur death saying that the answer is given b one of the jewish , one of u...

[MoonChild]

Originally posted by FaHaD
[Benjoy ur death saying that the answer is given b one of the jewish , one of u... [/B]

I don't understand. I don't think there is a single Jew on this list. Why then do you say "one of you"?

[FaHaD]

i think there was a misconception .. maybe enjoy ur death like thought that Mr. is a jewish...
but the main issue is not wether frued is jewish or not,,

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by FaHaD
but the main issue is not wether frued is jewish or not,,

... right, the main issue was why did Freud keep smoking cigars.

[Arabian Princess]

Wanderer,
the main is about the hand shaking rule in Islam.
Yes Mr Pino, handshaking does lead to adultry and pre marital sex. The evidence, the number of cases of pre maretial sex in places where it is accepted and in places where it is not accepted.
It might not call for it directly, but it is one of the reasons.
Islam does not control premartal sex by only prohibiting handshaking, it have many means for that and I think you know them well (exp. women's dressing, men lowering thier gaze, no free mixing between men and women,...)

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by Arabian Princess
Wanderer,
the main is about the hand shaking rule in Islam.

Ah, well please castigate all who are off topic and not just me.



Originally posted by Arabian Princess

Yes Mr Pino, handshaking does lead to adultry and pre marital sex.

Of course that's backward. Not all handshaking between the sexes leads to sex, but most who have engaged in sex held hands first.

Saying handshaking leads to adultry is the same arguement as saying that starting you car leads to a car crash.

[Arabian Princess]

no its differne wanderer,
without starting your car, you can drive it!

BUt without handshaking, you can get married and have a successful marraige!!!

[Mr Tickle]

"Yes Mr Pino, handshaking does lead to adultry and pre marital sex"

This is a shocking statement and a real eye opener as to how you are brought up

I am very sorry that you have different nerve endings in your hand

I am obviously missing out - I must have shaken the hands of a 1000 women in my life

does anyone ever leave the home at all?

surely you run the risk of having a small nut from a plane landing on your head?

Incidentally, re your car analogy, is that why women don't drive - because they are far more likely to crash..........?

[Enjoy Ur Death]

new discovery by mr pinnochio:
after assuming for long time that muslims have different sets of genes ( different genitical map) now he is asking or assuming that they have different nerve endings??!! wow, different axons, different Schwan cells and who knows may be we muslims will turn to have an inverted brain at the end of day ... good medical work mr pinnochio, keep it up :D

1st
regarding Freud, i said u believe his theories r right regardless of his religious , don't u believe so?

2nd
can i ask smth, do lovers (not married) shake hands in the same way aas others? do friends shake hands in the same way when they have emotional problem, when they say godbye for each other ? is it always the same way and the same feeling or sensation or transmission of emotions for every one ??
please don't say that u cannot transmit ur emotions by touch cos this proven ot be one of the strongest way of emotion trasnmission in psychology ( may be not for muslims as they r appearing to have different nerve endings now day
:p )

close ur eyes and remember how u were or r shaking hands with ur lover at least .... wouldn't u think that she might feel what u feel towards here when u shake her hands, haven't u ever tried to make ur hand be for longer time with her hand (or the other way round for ladies) .... BE CAREFULE !!!! if u said YES then u r having different nerve endings thus u r approaching an abnormally created people called muslims and if u said NO then i am sorry to tell u that u r psychologically defective ( as all scientists say)

what would u choose :confused:

[jack]

Given this theory ...

Shouldn't you not shake hands even with a relative?

You are saying just the touch of hands will excite the opposite sex.

Relatives would not be immune if this were true.

[Scorpio27]

Enigmatic Thoughts

:D
Listen folks
What you do when you fall in Love?
The first step? Flirting
The second Step? Holding hands gently.........Right...Do u feel romantic???:)

So u feel Great!!!

Go to bed and
Take a NAP
Good Night