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Enjoy Ur Death
09-07-02, 12:09 AM
as most of u know that i am not an old member here , i am as new as my typing skill is :)

when i passed through different topics in the religious sabla i was woundering, why when someone ask about she3a i see many particiapnts asking more and someotimes accepting insults or comments wrote in unscietific way and by non-muslim members about their muslim brother, but when these non-muslim members challenge our knowledge about islam , it's orders , the wise of some of it's rules then only very few jump to answer and support ....

if we don't know the basics of our islam then why r we discussing about the sects, we should 1st know what is our islam about ??!
i really feel sorry for us and for our islam

when they r asking about temporary marriage which was there in abathya but has been deleted and they have their proof for that and not deleted in sh3a and they have their prrof for that we have the courage to stand up and say this is zinna (furnication) , but when i non-muslim says that arabian and muslim ladise have no values in their islam or say that they r genetically unable to come up to this century then only few can answer ... i don't want to mention any members specifically but i am woundering why ??!! when they ask why ur islam don't allow a polite well dressed date between different genders to take place then we don't see those people who can say that their muslim brothers acceot zinna in their sect writting anything nor we see those who r asking about other sect ..... if they really want to start then they have to start from the basics of islam

please and million of pleases, if u want to know about any other sect u have to know about ur own 1st and instead of talking about temporary marriage which allows some non muslims to say then ur islam is nice as it allows dates with multiple men come and defend on this islam when they ask bout the position of females in it which is so simple topic but u prefere to courage them to make fun on ur muslim brothers who u don't agree with them in a particular point ??
I HOPE ALLAH KEEPS HIS ISLAM WHITNESS ON WHAT WE R DOING TO IT
:sorry:

yellow sapphire
09-07-02, 09:02 AM
Enjoy Ur Death
i have asked this question before and i do not think i got a reply from anyone,any way i will ask the same question here,maybe u or another person knows the answer,the question is:

did Allah protect hadeeth or no?

coz here the main problem,yes it is here,the problem came from hadeeth.so we have to know the asnwer for the question.

Bimzoori
09-07-02, 02:01 PM
Enjoy ur Death, I agree with you that we should try to concentrate more on the fundamentals of Islma rather than disputing each other's sects..our scholars, who have much more knowlede than us in the sciences of islam, havent yet been able to come up with a clear cut in some (minor) differences btwn the sects....Allah knows best after all..

Just a reminder, when orur beloved prophet started preaching Islam, for thirteen years (before teh Hijra) the main concept he taught was "la Ilaha Illa Allah" { There is no God but Allah}...

I just hope we can show respect to other people's opinions..we dont mind discussions as long as they are carried out in an educational manner, and without hurting people's feelings :)

abu Suleiman
09-07-02, 02:48 PM
Salam alaikum

و النجم إذا هوى ـ ما ضل صاحبكم و ما غوى ـ و ما بنطق عن الهوى ـ إن هو إلا وحي يوحى.

Im for sure that u know the above verse is one of greatest verse in the Quran.
Please u yourself find out whether Allah has protected His Prophet's speech or not.
Thank u.

Enjoy Ur Death
09-07-02, 04:16 PM
salam for all muslims
my friend abu suleiman, this aya doesn't indicate that prophet's hadeeth is protected by ALLAH , it rather means that whatever the prophet (PBUH&HF) is from ALLAH. the hadeeth is not protected , if it was so we wouldn't have hadeeth hasan, weak or strong .... and in fact we wouldn't have different sects

the point i want to make is that we should be focusing on our islam more than any thing else at the begining and only after that we can disucuss about sects in educational manner as our dear moderator said

may ALLAH helps us

abu Suleiman
09-07-02, 04:38 PM
True enjoy ur death,
I do agree with u, but what I meant from posting that ayah is to say that Allah Has protected His Prophet's hadeeth by assigning good sholars that distinguish the ahadeeth by knowing matn and sanad.
Otherwise I do agree with u to pay attention to our Islamic teachings and practice them rather than spending time in criticising people in different sects.
May Allah bless us all.
Thank u.:)

Enjoy Ur Death
09-07-02, 06:10 PM
thanks for ur kind clearification abu suleiman

yellow sapphire
10-07-02, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by Enjoy Ur Death
salam for all muslims
my friend abu suleiman, this aya doesn't indicate that prophet's hadeeth is protected by ALLAH , it rather means that whatever the prophet (PBUH&HF) is from ALLAH. the hadeeth is not protected , if it was so we wouldn't have hadeeth hasan, weak or strong .... and in fact we wouldn't have different sects

<marquee><font color=red><h4>Allaho Akbar</h4></font></marquee>
now the same question will come again:
Did Allah protect Hadeeth or no?
Enjoy Ur Death
i am with you,you are using logic also like me.you know some people do not know what to say,for example:
can i say zina haram because quran say:"tabbat yeda abi lahabin wa tabb".the answer is of course no.but people do not want to understand.

FaHaD
10-07-02, 12:45 PM
enjoy ur death u r totally right....
and here it happens again .. u were talking about concentrating in basics things and now we are jumping to wether al-hadeeth is protected by allah..