what if shi3ah right?

[yellow sapphire]

bismiallahi alra7amni alra7eem
i have this question since long time.the question is
what if alshi3ah madhab right,will u people ready to change your madhab into shi3ah madhab.(please i am saying if and only if).

i hope your answer will be yes or no and please no hindi movie here.do not go for long stories blah blah blah,the question is clear.

[ReVeLuTiOnAl^]

Y-S:

Who said shei3a are wrong?

Shei3a are muslims as any muslim, but they have things which MAY seem unreasonable for some people, but reasonable for them. The same apply with us, we have things which seem reasonable for us, but not for other methahib.

So, you may need to re-arrange your question.

[Najah]

I dont think there are right and wrong madhaheb.Its just we believe in one thing simply!
So I dont think i would change who i'm cause i trust in what i'am walhamdulila and who ever changes its up to him,, Finally we bellive in one important think is Lailaha ila alla!..

[Arabian Princess]

I agree with Rev & Najah,
First, how would we just discover that shi3a is right and all other sects are wrong? arnt u the first one against using any Hadiths that might be from Said, Jumaa and Khamees?
Arnt you the one who asks us to go to teh Quran? if any other Mathahub's are doing anything aaginst the Quran then they are not muslims in teh first place!!!
This is why I wont change my Mathahub because I beleive that all Mathabibs are right as long as they follow what the Quran says!!

Sorry if this seemed a hindi movie to u but I had to express my feelings :)

[IceTea]

Y-S can u tell me what are the wrong things with your sector (shee3a) ?

[Jinan]

There is nothing wrong with my sector.. and Im sure every one of u will say the same....

[yellow sapphire]

Jinan
we have to tell these people that Omar and Abo Bekr are not ma3soomeen from making mistakes.so may be they made something wrong for Islam(i am only saying maybe) without meaning it of course ;) .
because they r not ma3soomeen.
they are not Allah

[Arabian Princess]

Is Ali (rathi allah anhu) then does not make mistakes? Ofcourse no one is!!
Plus, other sects do not get thier dealings from Abu Bakar and Omar, they ger it from the Quran, SUnnah, consensus of scholars (Ijmaa) and anoology (Qiyas) and lastly by trying to make effort to discuss any matter (ijtihad) !

[samy]

yaa akhee it is more than that .. i do feel that there are no differences as such between the mathaheeb .. as long as it does not cross the red lines ( Quraan and companions of el rasool -alyeh alsalaam- interpretations ) .. i hope it is only just not massomeen .. infact in your way .. they r considered as criminals( hashaa lelaah ) whom stolen some rights from sayednaa ali ratheya alaah anhu . and the horrible things mentioned a bout Elsayedaah aayshaah ratheya alah anhaa.. not accepted at all maaan.. anyway .. it is better to close it .. and i said so .. we r not here to create fights we r here to build up knowledge ...

[yellow sapphire]

Originally posted by samy
we r not here to create fights we r here to build up knowledge ...
from where u will bring this knowledge,is it from Khamees books or Rashid books.

Originally posted by samy

sayednaa ali ratheya alaah anhu
do u know when u pray u say ali 3alihi alsalam and here u do not want to say ali 3alihi alsalam.may i know why

[Arabian Princess]

YS,
ALI (rathi allah anh) is not a prophet to say aleeh al salam. He was one of the first people who enterd Islam, he is related to prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) but he will never raise to the level of being a prophet!!
Plus, it is not fighting for title that counts, its fighting for the true Islam it come out. It is by beleiving in what is in the Quran (which all sects do including shiaa) and beleiving in the prophets (all of them may peace be upon him).
So why should we concentrate on what sects are right, instead of concetrating on strgnthing our own Islam???

[yellow sapphire]

Originally posted by Arabian Princess
YS,
ALI (rathi allah anh) is not a prophet to say aleeh al salam.
when u pray,in altahiyat,u say Allahomma sali 3ala Mohammed and Aali Mohammed,please tell me is Ali from Aali Mohammed or Omar.

[Arabian Princess]

I dont say it in prayer in prayers !! (it is only duaa and not complusry in prayers)
and (alisayidna MOhammed) (people of mohammed) does not mean only ALi and his family, it means all muslims!!

[Jinan]

U want to start Yellow Sapphire or shall I ? ;)

[yellow sapphire]

Jinan
please you start becuase she is saying Aal Mohammed is all Muslims:mad:

[Jinan]

Sorry people, but Aal Mohammed is Ahul al Bait, which means his family starting from Sayyeda Fatma and Imam Ali to Imam Mahdi al Muntazar , and as far as I know its also mentioned in the Quran abt who Aal Mohammed is.... its written in surat AL-a7zab.

[Arabian Princess]

Then Aisha is from Aaal MOhammed because she is his wife?!

Listen people, no one said that shiaa are wrong and neither Abdhia are wrong (ofcourse not malkia, shafia, hanbalia .... are not also wrong). Both have thier own justification of minor things in Islam. Do Shiaa say that alchol is accepted? no neither Abathia nor any other sect. Does shiaa says Prophet MOhammed is not a prophet or any of the other prophets are not? no they dont neither any other sect.

All of these sects are agreeing on the basic concepts of ISLAM, they are united in them why cant they be united in other things. Every scholar has to study Islam and come with what he thinks is right according to Quran and Prophet's saying. He is the one who is going be asked about it when the day of judgment comes. We muslims have our own independent mind and we can compare what a scholar say and what we understand in Quran and if it is soemthing aginst it we will also be asked of we followed it, but if it is something with what the Quran says then even if it is not clearly said there it could be right and there is no harm accepting it if it does not contradict with any of Islam's teachings!

YS, look at the religion sabla now! it is a mixture of fights between shiaa and other sects and dont tell me other sects started it or even contributed to it, it is mostly you who starts those argument which brings nothing but FIGHTS!!
you call for following the Quran ... what does Quran say" Waatasimu bihabli illah jameaan wala tafarqu) which means that we all should unite and be gudied under the path of Allah and we should not be splited!!
does calling for this sect being right or that sect being wrong makes you following that verse?!
Until when we will keep on having those argument instead of showing people what real Islam is !!!

[amo0or]

Lo0o0o0oL.. Y-S said that the answer should be yes or no.. i can see many paragraphs here..:D
anyway my answer will be No..

[samy]

Good answer Ap .. but i wanna add one correction if u do not mind
( shafeyah , malkeyah . hanfeyah and hanablah ) are called Sunnah ... as the abadheyah called abadeyah and sheah are called sheyah ... and to be fair as long as they r the majority .. it was not cool :) to keep them in braket and mention them after the other sectors ... just for correction.. :D if u allow me to call it so

but a gain guys and girls i kept saying ..this is a risky issue ..and will never reach to a conclusion .. nothing but more troubles with no gain to anyone
i agree totally with AP opinon regarding .. close this topic and find another one to gain a new knowledge from

[amo0or]

Sick..
Guys.. there is something i wanted to tell u.. WE ARE ALL ARABS AND MUSLIMS FOR GOD SAKE..AND MOST OF US HERE ARE OMANIS.. SO NO NEED FOR THIS SARA7A.. SOMETIMES IT HURT OTHERS FEELINGS..

[samy]

That what i am saying .. and kept saying all the time
i agree with u

[yellow sapphire]

Originally posted by amo0or
Lo0o0o0oL.. Y-S said that the answer should be yes or no.. i can see many paragraphs here..:D
anyway my answer will be No..
why your answer is no.
this is very danger answer.so even if they r right u will not change your madhab.sob7an Allah.

[Arabian Princess]

samy, I delibraty said them differntly, I mean (shafia, habalia, malkia and hanafia) coz Abathia are a;lso sunnah .. they follow the sunnah of Prophet MOhammed (peace be upon him) and since am abdhiya I know more about it and did not want to comment on something and be wrong :) thanx for the correction any way, it was worth saying it :)
Any way, as u said it not something that we learn from .. it just create fights so why start it in the first palce!!

For this reason, am not going to contribute in any topic taht relates to sect and that shows that one sect is suprior to another!!

[SoMe1]

Get real people! we are all muslims, what are we arguing about here.

Yakhi every one is happy with thier own sector. dont have to force your thoughts on others!

[yellow sapphire]

SoMe1
did i force any one.But amo0or said even if they r right he will not change his madhab.
this is not a joke.did u understand what amo0or say people or u did not understand what amo0or said.

i want to mention one story here happened to me.one day i asked a friend of mine if he sees Ramadan Hilal for the fasting the first day but his family and people in his area did not see the hilal,will he fast of no.He told me because his family is not fasting also he will not fast even if he saw Hilal.
see all of these because of wirathah.

[SoMe1]

Yellow, stop making a big issue out of small things will you!

Ya baba who every believe that there is no Lord but Allah and that Mohammed is the Messenger then hell with the sectors!!

This topic is getting really ridicules! As Arabian said “Waatasimu bihabli illah jameaan wala tafarqu” what Amo0or said or didn’t say, yakhi its his problem there are other serous matters that aught to be discussed out there. Arguing about mathahib is really ridicules.

[samy]

i agree 100% .. to stop this unuseful argument

[IceTea]

Originally posted by Jinan
Sorry people, but Aal Mohammed is Ahul al Bait, which means his family starting from Sayyeda Fatma and Imam Ali to Imam Mahdi al Muntazar , and as far as I know its also mentioned in the Quran abt who Aal Mohammed is.... its written in surat AL-a7zab.

Who is Imam Mahdi al Muntazar which shee3a are waiting for him ??

[Jinan]

He is our 12th and the last Imam.. and the grandson of the prophet (PBUH&HF)

Aal Mohammed means his children and grand children.. wives are not included...

[yellow sapphire]

Originally posted by Jinan
He is our 12th and the last Imam.. and the grandson of the prophet (PBUH&HF)

Aal Mohammed means his children and grand children.. wives are not included...
do u want to say this or you want to say 12 imam means his children and grand children.. wives are not included.

[Jinan]

U said it Yellow Sapphire :)

[yellow sapphire]

;)