Women place in Islam =?= Women place in our society?

[Nokia]

hi guys
what do you think about this
Is Women place in Islam equl to Women place in our society these days?

[Arabian Princess]

Well, culturly no I do nto think taht wman is getting what Islam actually gave to women. Islam gave equal rights to women while our society is definatly showing us that men are supirior!!

I am not aginst anything that our society restrict on women .. but simply want a woman's mistake to be equal to a man's mistake!! and that is clearly approved in the QUran while in our society when a man does a mistake his parents pat on his back and when a woman does a mistake she sees hell!!!

[Nokia]

its so sad to see after more then 1400 years still we find that our societies are not given women the place which our religion put her. Or is it so hard for us to give up our cultures and traditions even if that contradict our religion?
I am still wondering why and why and why Women place in our societies is not equl to Women place in Islam these:confused:

[samy]

I do agree with our AP… definitely u r right .. but I see that u need to look close to the issue of men and women mistakes …do u really think that they r really equal? … u know what kind of mistakes I meant … the consequences of women mistakes r more harmful than the men ones …and this actually makes the women more superior to the men in the Muslim society in that their blunders r more concerned than the men ones …. Do not u agree with that ?? ..
still in my opinion they remain the most important productive and fundamental members in the great society of Islam … they r our mothers ,sisters, wives and cool memories .. they brought up heroes in every age of the great nation of Islam and still doing so in the holly land of Palestine as we all can see how they r receiving the news of their sons and daughters ( the martyrs ) … without such great women .. no history could be build-up.. salaam to all our mothers , sisters and wives …

[Nokia]

Originally posted by samy
…do u really think that they r really equal? … u know what kind of mistakes I meant … the consequences of women mistakes r more harmful than the men ones ……
before i get you wrong brother what you meant by abouve statements?
what i know in our Religion if man or weman commited mistakes such as stole somthing or Zinat the panishement is that same for both sex in a perticular mistakes, what make them different then? Unfortunatelly in most cases we find people judge women mistakes base on the tradition and culture and not base on the religion.

[samy]

Hiiya nokia … well . ,, first do u agree with me that Allah created the woman and the man and meant to be different ? I think u do … she is ( to me ) the ideal member in the community .. we do learn from our mothers more than we do from our fathers .. she is the focal point in the foundation of every Muslim society .. that is why their misbehaviour is so destructive and unrepairable ( that what I meant by serious consequences ) ..and this is really make them so precious and superior cus of their importance in our society
And finally there is no harm on what our society regulations being reflected on the women dignity .. I do not think so ..
It kept them as precious as they r .. the valuable diamond has to be kept in safe position and treated with honour.

[Arabian Princess]

Samy, yes I beleive women were created differnt but that does not give teh right to men to do whatever they want becuse simple thier mistake cannot be seen!!

They equal when it comes to mistake, if he commited adultry (zina) then it the same if a woman commited it and teh punishment is equal in Islam. In our society the father wont worry if his done that but if his daughter did that he would kill her!!! thats not fair! they have to punish both equally and the problem will stop!

[samy]

AP .. there is no doubt a bout that .. what I mean is they have more attention cuz they r so valuable .. and I did not gave an excuse for such ignorant mentality some men may have in dealing with these issues .. but what simply I meant is that the women should remain more clean and honest .. cuz they r the ones who raise the men up .. just like how the teacher should be towards his/her students.. Ideal and pure ..cuz whatever he/she do is gonna have a great implication on their followers .. as simple as that

[Nokia]

Originally posted by samy
.. but what simply I meant is that the women should remain more clean and honest ..

see this is the problem in our societies we keep thinking in this way and egnore the fact that man and women are same if they make mistakes. If we look at our religion we find that both sex as long as they are muslims should remain clean and honest and not to be more clean and honest in women and less clean and honest in man . why we put the place of women so lawer from what our religion asked us to put her. ? is it because of culture and tradition? if so then what is better to be followed cultures and tardtions or religion?:confused:

so the qustion is still on.
why and why and why Women place in our societies is not equl to Women place in Islam these days ?

[MoonChild]

Nokia I think you've raised an issue which is core to understanding why Islam is soooo misunderstood in the West - most Americans, Europeans etc (and I'm sure it's the same in Asian cultures) know very little about the Islam religion. They base their opinions on what they see of the CULTURES who practice that religion.

So... what we have seen in the past and currently is that women are generally treated differently (worse), seem to be forced to wear black death-like robes and cover their faces as if ashamed to exist... cannot even go in public without a male family member... cannot drive cars... cannot receive a decent education ... and so on... and think "this must be what Islam teaches because these are Islam countries".
I know this is not the case in Oman, but is still true elsewhere - particularly Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, etc which are much more in the news. You guys are just too quiet - you need to teach the world what a "real" Muslim society is all about :)

[Wanderer]

Omanis !!

Front and center, please.

[Seniora]

well, i do agrree with half of u above, but u c, when a woman sleeps outside marriage, she is dealt more harshly , usually shes family dependent, and something like that can make her life as well as her familys life hell, example bringing up a kid, ( in finnancial terms) would be difficult
whereas a man who does such a thing, he can either walk away from his responsibility, or accept it , and pay for the circumstance coz hes independant.
so i guess that kind of treatment has no relationship to islam, its just human nature.

i mean as it is, the parent of the girl\boy, thinks he has failed his daughter\son, by not being a good parent, thats why the child went astray and commited one of the most sinful act in the eyes of Allah, i mean parents are known for blaming themselves, and then on top of that the dad realises that he has to work and pay for his daughter's mistake, so it ticks him off more,

whereas if its a guy, some parents dont even find out!!!! or if they do, they do get the first reaction of guilt but atleast they know they have no responsibility

and there is this saying that a woman is like a diamond and when its scratched no one wants it,

what i like about that saying is women are compared with diamonds :D!

[Nokia]

Originally posted by MoonChild
Nokia I think you've raised an issue which is core to understanding why Islam is soooo misunderstood in the West - most Americans, Europeans etc (and I'm sure it's the same in Asian cultures) know very little about the Islam religion. They base their opinions on what they see of the CULTURES who practice that religion.

......and think "this must be what Islam teaches because these are Islam countries".

You guys are just too quiet - you need to teach the world what a "real" Muslim society is all about :)
thanks MoonChild you've just point what i was directing to...
this is our problem we painted our religion with our cultures and give those who have little information about Islam bad picture about Islam.
not only that but even Muslims these days we become we dont know what is in culture and what is in Islam. we put them all togather and take it as this is Islam, thus many people are still dont give women the place which Islam put her.

[Nokia]

hi guys
What happened people should we conclude that the culture is abouve or region or what? Someone explain please what is going on? And why we don't give women the place, which our religion gave her?