One religion.. Islam

[bu7sain]

If Islam had no different sections or "mathaahib" such as Sunni, Shiia, Ibadhi, Druz etc etc and just had one section (no one section is "righter" than the other, but it had just one math-hab)

Do you still think there will be a war among Muslims? And who is right and who is wrong?

What kind of issues do you think people will raise? Imagine this scene among arabs and the muslim world.

Do you think there will be peace??

I still do not get what Muslims are fighting for amongst themselves..
God give us peace and prosperity and we should be thankful for it..

Your thoughts and feedback please...

[Jihad4Truth]

I don't know why Muslims are fighting among themselves either.

I mean Christianity is the only true religion anyways. :p

[Mikhail Alexandrovich]

^ There is no such a thing as true religion. I do not believe in religions! I only believe in people and what they do.

[nezitiC]

The history of sects in Islam has a positive side and that its enriched the Islamic civilization with scientific, philosophical, and cultural ideologies. Sometime when you think of it, without those divisions happening throughout the Islamic time line, such advancements or rise&fall wouldn't happen. Many Muslims clashes aren't really religious more than nationalistic. When a Muslim thinks of his people as a nation, nor religion, or when he believes in his sect under nationalistic belief frame, such confusing Muslims are dividers.

Bu7sain: If I were you, I wouldn't consider Druz as an Islamic sect.

[Jeff]

^ There is no such a thing as true religion. I do not believe in religions! I only believe in people and what they do.

Wow. People and what they do is what drives many people to religion! :p

[Jeff]

Is the division of sects more important than the division of approaches?

Sometimes it seems to me that the division between modern or reformist Muslims and traditional Muslims is greater than that between Sunni and Shia.

[Mikhail Alexandrovich]

What do you mean? Like if I do this I become a muslim and if I do the same thing in a slightly different way I turn into a Christian? :cute:

I do not think that people and their actions are what lead them into religions. If there is a specific religion, it's just there and people embrace it and then start to re-shape and tune their ideologies and behaviours in a way that fits neatly within the teachings and codes of that religion.

[Jeff]

What do you mean? Like if I do this I become a muslim and if I do the same thing in a slightly different way I turn into a Christian? :cute:

I do not think that people and their actions are what lead them into religions. If there is a specific religion, it's just there and people embrace it and then start to re-shape and tune their ideologies and behaviours in a way that fits neatly within the teachings and codes of that religion.

Well, that might be true, but it's no likelier to be true than a religion, do you think? I mean, you are saying some things and they seem true to you.

But that's not my experience with religion. My experience is asking questions and getting satisfying answers. Satisfying on all kinds of different levels.

I think your theory does a fair job of explaining cultural or traditional religion. It doesn't do quite as good a job at explaining dogmatic religion and conversions to it.

And I don't think your idea is completely original either. In fact, I think you are doing what you are accusing religious people of doing. You came upon some ideas, they impressed you as true and you internalized them.

In fact, what you are giving us is really: your religion. Religion is about basic verities and understandings of what life and existence and people are. What their significance is.

[Mikhail Alexandrovich]

^ That's true. That was just a very simplistic way of looking at religions, and as you referred to as a cultural and traditional way of explaining religions. Dogmatic beliefs are way more complex and profound than to be illustrated in my earlier statement and I actually do not think I have the knowledge to discuss religious dogmas since they constitute a whole area of research.

I just did not agree when you said that people and their actions are what drive them into religions but I am now having second thoughts about it. I think it's possible to some extent within some communities to find people driven into forming their own religion basing on their cultural norms and inherit beliefs. This is could be true in some pagan religions, for instance, unlike other divine ones.

What you gave in the end is actually a good definition, yet very general, of religion. What makes religions really interesting and "delicious" (lol in a way) are these varieties that they come up with. After all, I do believe that all religions are inherently good and they all came to existence to serve humanity and it's only peoples' way of interpretations and manipulations of some of the religious principles that could distort the sublime image of religion.

[Jihad4Truth]

^ There is no such a thing as true religion. I do not believe in religions! I only believe in people and what they do.

I was joking.

[STING]

I do not believe in sects. I call myself a Muslim. It is a mystery, thanks to various actors, what my sect was when born :).

I respect and try to understand all religions, I read and learn from all Muslim sects.

[Booth]

I don't know why Muslims are fighting among themselves either.

I mean Christianity is the only true religion anyways. :p

Christians fight amongst themselves too. It just spread more in the Islamic world.

It's almost like a must for a growing religion to divide in sects, keep the basics in mind but still think differently in other things and make concepts the way they believe is right, I do believe that this religious sects to some extent give us as Muslims benefit, each sect can learn from another and each mufti can consider the others thoughts, with limits that do not ruin the basics.


I can't imagine Islam with no sects, I think sects are necessary.
It is only for a religion to grow.

[BrAiKi]

That's how we were made, we seek for differences rather than similarities.
Any religion, having huge number of followers, would have different sectors. Which proves nothing but the effect of man on changing his religion.

[Jeff]

^ That's true. That was just a very simplistic way of looking at religions, and as you referred to as a cultural and traditional way of explaining religions. Dogmatic beliefs are way more complex and profound than to be illustrated in my earlier statement and I actually do not think I have the knowledge to discuss religious dogmas since they constitute a whole area of research.

I just did not agree when you said that people and their actions are what drive them into religions but I am now having second thoughts about it. I think it's possible to some extent within some communities to find people driven into forming their own religion basing on their cultural norms and inherit beliefs. This is could be true in some pagan religions, for instance, unlike other divine ones.

What you gave in the end is actually a good definition, yet very general, definition of religion. What makes religions really interesting and "delicious" (lol in a way) is this varieties that they come up with. After all, I do believe that all religions are inherently good and they all came to existence to serve humanity and it's only peoples' way of interpretations and manipulations of some of the religious principles that could distort the sublime image of religion.

Well, you're being so nice and thoughtful and reasonable that I will leave you the last word!

Thanks! Nice discussion. :)

[marianna]

Fighting is an undesirable human trait unless it is fighting for surivival and then that in and of itself become relative.

Personally, I don't care what religion a person is from, if they lead a good life God judges them in the end. Not us.

[El Rey]

Religions and sects are not the reason for people to fight but they are used as justification by politicians to fool people.

I don't believe in sects though. I have no sect and am all of the Islamic sects.

[Mikhail Alexandrovich]

Well, you're being so nice and thoughtful and reasonable that I will leave you the last word!

Thanks! Nice discussion. :)

The same goes to you too my friend :cute:

[FAITH86]

I'm against sects methodologies. All Muslims should stay united.
There wasn't such thing as sects back in the prophet's days

[sweet life_rose]

^ exactly All sed on the above post "thumbs up" :)

I think that way of thinking suppose to be in all people, otherwise it's not convincing fighting between each other for saying one sector is better than other! seems as kindergarten kids fighting between each other for the choco piece, what for?! as long all believe in Allah is the only one creator and Mohammed:PBUH: is the messenger at end no one knows who is entering heaven, at least they should work kindly in their life to get bestow upon them from Allah.

[Tinta]

If people wont fight about mathaahib they would other stuff to fight about... Human Nature..

[Blink]

My grandma once told me that we "The Muslim community" are Islam's greatest enemy. And I think strongly believe that due to the different sects we've created, civil wars exist.

[zhangmelan]

at the end some of these sects don't even know what the whole war between them is about, it is pretty simple things......and I mean, as long as the person ain't doing something haram or harming you, then you cannot even open your mouth or call him a kafr.

[Threadlike]

Yes there would.
Muslims have sunk to the background of civilization and we would be fooling ourselves if we're blaming it all on sectarian differences. That is foolish and naive. Muslims are not ONLY divided by sects in my opinion. But the question we must pose is rather this: Do Muslims prefer being divided and useful or united and useless?

[Jihad4Truth]

Christians fight amongst themselves too. It just spread more in the Islamic world.

It's almost like a must for a growing religion to divide in sects, keep the basics in mind but still think differently in other things and make concepts the way they believe is right, I do believe that this religious sects to some extent give us as Muslims benefit, each sect can learn from another and each mufti can consider the others thoughts, with limits that do not ruin the basics.


I can't imagine Islam with no sects, I think sects are necessary.
It is only for a religion to grow.

It's true. Humans like to sub-divide themselves into "Us & Them" groups.

One could even say that Islam, Christianity and Judaism are just different sects of monotheism.

[Booth]

I do not believe in sects. I call myself a Muslim. It is a mystery, thanks to various actors, what my sect was when born :).

I respect and try to understand all religions, I read and learn from all Muslim sects.

There are actual people like that, some just pick what fatwa they like from each sect and match it to their desire. Although if X sect makes a fatwa of something halal and Y sect makes fatwa of the same thing being haram, and Y sect bases their fatwa with a hadeeth or sura, then it gets confusing which way to go, this man or the other. You'd say I'll go with Y because he has a base with his fatwa, yet the people from sect X continue with their mufti and do not learn from the other sect (Y) the differences made.

I agree that you were not born with your sect, but you do have the choice of having one. I think it's much easier to follow a sect.

[Mus]

I don't know why Muslims are fighting among themselves either.

I mean Christianity is the only true religion anyways. :p

What makes Christianity the true religion, if so Judaism will be fake!!! how can u accept the old testament than????
We Muslims believe that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are true

But when Judaism was present, it was the path to heaven
And when Jesus Christ (peace be up on him) was present he was the path to heaven
and when Islam came, it became the only way to heaven.

In Islam we have to believe on all the prophets who have been mentioned by name in the Old Testament, and we have to believe on Jesus Christ and we call him on what God was calling him in the New Testament as told by Mathew, John, Lukes, and Marks as "Son of Man"
The Prophet Muhammad hadeeth says “God (Allah) will accept you in the kingdom of Heaven if you believe that there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger and his slave, and Jesus the son of Marry is a word, messenger and a slave of God”
Huliat al Awlya 182/5, Authentic as per the hadeeth authentication principles.

So please Mr. Jihad4truth stop these religious issues in this sabla , and try to not hurt the feelings of people by saying your faith is true and other not.

[BrAiKi]

What makes Christianity the true religion, if so Judaism will be fake!!! how can u accept the old testament than????
We Muslims believe that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are true

But when Judaism was present, it was the path to heaven
And when Jesus Christ (peace be up on him) was present he was the path to heaven
and when Islam came, it became the only way to heaven.

In Islam we have to believe on all the prophets who have been mentioned by name in the Old Testament, and we have to believe on Jesus Christ and we call him on what God was calling him in the New Testament as told by Mathew, John, Lukes, and Marks as "Son of Man"
The Prophet Muhammad hadeeth says “God (Allah) will accept you in the kingdom of Heaven if you believe that there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger and his slave, and Jesus the son of Marry is a word, messenger and a slave of God”
Huliat al Awlya 182/5, Authentic as per the hadeeth authentication principles.

So please Mr. Jihad4truth stop these religious issues in this sabla , and try to not hurt the feelings of people by saying your faith is true and other not.


Speaking of hurting feelings, stick around and see how our fellow Muslims hurt others' feelings.
It's mutual, buddy. I think you should calm down a little ;)

[Jihad4Truth]

So please Mr. Jihad4truth stop these religious issues in this sabla , and try to not hurt the feelings of people by saying your faith is true and other not.

I was joking.

[Sporty4life]

^i was laughing :color:

[Jeff]

What makes Christianity the true religion, if so Judaism will be fake!!! how can u accept the old testament than????
We Muslims believe that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are true

But when Judaism was present, it was the path to heaven
And when Jesus Christ (peace be up on him) was present he was the path to heaven
and when Islam came, it became the only way to heaven.

In Islam we have to believe on all the prophets who have been mentioned by name in the Old Testament, and we have to believe on Jesus Christ and we call him on what God was calling him in the New Testament as told by Mathew, John, Lukes, and Marks as "Son of Man"
The Prophet Muhammad hadeeth says “God (Allah) will accept you in the kingdom of Heaven if you believe that there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger and his slave, and Jesus the son of Marry is a word, messenger and a slave of God”
Huliat al Awlya 182/5, Authentic as per the hadeeth authentication principles.

So please Mr. Jihad4truth stop these religious issues in this sabla , and try to not hurt the feelings of people by saying your faith is true and other not.

I think we Christians have mixed feeling about this approach.

On the one hand, we appreciate the bonds of unity that you are talking about. We all believe in one God, we all honor Jesus Christ. And many other things.

And in these ways, we believe that your religion is true.

But at the heart of Christianity as we understand it, there is the Incarnation of God in human flesh and His saving death on the cross and Resurrection which delivers us from sin.

This is not a detail of my religion. This is the very center of it.

And Muslims believe and say that this is not just false but also an insult to God and Jesus Himself! :cute:

We don't have to fight about it, we can be friendly and understanding and patient about it. BUT: We have to LISTEN to each other. And deeply.

I have no problem if you sincerely tell me that of course Jesus is not God, He is only a prophet. But: I think you are wrong. And what is more, my religion teaches me that you are wrong on this point, just as yours teaches you that I am wrong. And you have to understand that when you are telling me that, it's like me telling you that the Quran is just a human book or Mohammed is not a prophet.

So, patience, patience! :) Let's all try to be patient and loving with each other and try to understand where we can cause pain or upset to each other...on both sides.

[ToomuchaT]

I still do not get what Muslims are fighting for amongst themselves..


May be for the empire that his guy is calling the world to take an action against!!

US 2016!!

Don't be excited too much now :p