View Full Version : Believe it, it is there in the Holy Quraan
before i start , this topic is not only by me but me and bimzoori are helping each other for this topic ,, thanx bimib..
this is going to be a topic which mainly concentrate in how come the the holy quraan becomes a miracle , and how can we prove with our little knowledge that the holy quraan is not made by the prophet Mohammed but it is from the creator of whole ...
Modern science has discovered many things and it expanded and lead to the discovery of many universe secrets.. one of them is the knowledge that the universe is not a constant object but a continuously expanding space, our universe made of many galaxies and we are in the milk way ( majarrat darb al-tabbana) and all jalaxies are moving away from each other in a very high speed…
This theory is proven first by Einstein and Habble in 1931…
But the holy quraan mentions that before their discovery in the chapter of Al-dhariaat (51:47) : æÇáÓãÇÁ ÈäíäÇåÇ ÈÃííÏ æÇäÇ áãæÓæÚæä) )
translation And the heaven, We raised it high with power, and most surely We are the one who continuously expanding it.
Wouldn’t be a miracle , how can prophet mohammed knows that , this is good indicator that the holy quraan is not from his own mind.
just think how come people in the past without the modern instruments can know this phenomenon...
:confused: :confused: :confused:
the atmosphere has many function but the most important one is protection agains UV light which comes from the sun.. and as we know that theatmosphere is made of : 78%nitrogen, 21%oxygen and 1%vapour and the rest composed of other gases.
And the atmosphere is composed of many layers which are in order: Troposphere, stratosphere, mesosphere, thermosphere and exosphere .
And as we know the air density, pressure and oxygen contents decreases as we go above..
Thus birds only are able to live in the troposphere, and this layer RETURNS BACK the water vapour into the earth as rains and also RETURNS BACK the heat generated in the daylight to earth at night .
While the stratosphere (ozone layer): contains the ozone(O3) which acts to reflects (RETURNS BACK) the UV light thus protecting us from it.
The thermosphere, act to reflects (RETURNS BACK)the radio waves(SW-AM) this is why we are able to get the radio waves from very long distances from the source.
NOW think about the three layers I gave: Do they have one property?! Yes we can notice that the sky has a property of reflection (returning back) and this well noticed in the 20th century..
NOW read what holy quraan mentioned since 1400 yrs ago,
ÞÇá ÊÚÇáì( æÇáÓãÇÁ ÐÇÊ ÇáÑÌÚ) ÇáØÇÑÞ 11
Translation: and I swear by the sky which returns back. (68:11) ..
i think no need for explaination, it is clearly mentioning the sky property of reflection... so would somebody able to know those facts 1400 yrs ago and know about the reflection of rain, UV light, SW-AM..etc. i think if u mention these things to someone 1400 yrs ago they consider u as psycho...
so how can prophet mohammed knows that,, this shows that the holy quraan came from the one who created the sky ...
U don't have to do anything except think for a while...
Bimzoori
17-06-02, 04:56 PM
Subhan Allah!
Excellent topic..
we'll be waiting for the rest..
Bimzoori
17-06-02, 05:48 PM
I just remembered a verse from the Quran related to this topic, from Suret Fussilat...
" Soon will We show them Our signs in the (furthest) regions (of the the Earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth"[41:53]
Sadaqa Allahu Al3atheem..
Seniora
17-06-02, 07:12 PM
some few logical deductions that the Quran couldn't have been written by the Prophet himself :
The Prophet was unlettered. However, even if he was educated and had written the Quran, how could he be bold enough to make this statement:
"Do they not consider (ponder over) the Quran (with care)? Had it been from other than God, they would surely have found therein discrepancies". (4:82)
The Quran says that the Prophet was not learned.
So, if the Prophet was educated in some institution but mentioned in the Quran that he wasn't, he would have been accused of being a liar and his mission would have fallen through.
Even if the Prophet was learned, how could he have written such an inimitable Book of Information and Wisdom without resorting to consultation with prominent scholars and the best books from the best libraries in the world?! If he did this, it would surely have been known, since every move he made was known to people. The Prophet was a historical figure, not a mythological figure.
Seniora
17-06-02, 07:19 PM
well, i will now mention some more facts being present in the quran though most of what is already mentioned in the Quran had only been discovered by humans after relevation, spme of them are:
1)The moon has no light of its own and that what we see is the reflected light of the sun. (91:1-2),
2)The universe came about by a "big bang" or disintegration billions of years ago. (21:30),
3)Every living thing began in water. (continuation of 21:30),
4)Stages of reproduction of a life in the womb.(22:5), ( a doctor, who defined the stages of reproduction in the womb was startled by the accurate descriptions in the Quran which matched his discoveries, (sub7ana allah)
5)Every living thing, including vegetable matter, is created in pairs (male and female). (36:36),
6)All celestial body (namely, moon and planets) have their own course of orbit. (7:54 and 21:33),
7)Space travel is possible. (55:33), and
8)There is also life (in whatever form) in other parts of the universe. (42:29).
All these scientific facts were discovered only in the last couple of centuries whereas the Quran mentions them 14 centuries ago. How could the Prophet, even if he were educated, have known these fact centuries ahead of recent times????!!
An Exellent book to refer which explains why Quran is considered as a miracle is "The Religion of Islam" by Maulana Mohammed Ali.
EXELENT EXELEnt....
U did a really go0o0o0od Jobs here members..
WELL DONE,,
Its emazing how some people dont even think about these things!
Really Emazing..these are just a dot from all that..
Keep on with the go0d job.. THIs is TOPic of the year..
Nice ones.
sub7anna allah.
seniora, well we are going to talk about all what u have mentioned in details and in a simple way just to give clear prof
and allah with us in sha'a allah...
Did anybody asked his self once, what is this universe and how can we KNOW the way it is formed or created…
Now let us talk step by step how we reached to answer these question..
In 1927, a Belgium scientist called George … he gave his theory of the origin of the universe (the big bang theory) .. he said the whole of universe started as a one huge very hot gaseous object, and coz of the high pressure from the heat generated from it, it went into a big explosion .. And it released a billion of smaller objects and by time these objects became the galaxies which contain the stars and planets..
Then in 1965, two American researcher (Wilson and Benzias) proved this theory by receiving some signals from the space..
then in 1989, the NASA sent A SPACE SHIP which after 3 years sent information to the earth proving the theory of the big bang theory…
And this discovery is called the discovery of the 20th century..
which is the the universe was just a one object which exploded and gave the stas and the planets…
Now let us think for a while, these discovery won’t be achieved without the use of telescopes and spaceships , and if I tell u that this theory was present long and long time ago the 7th century, woud u believe that..
Yes it is mentioned in the Holy Quraan: number 30 of the chapter of AL-Anbiaa’a:
( Ãæáã íÑ ÇáÐíä ßÝÑæÇ Ãä ÇáÓãÇæÇÊ æÇáÃÑÖ ßÇäÊÇ ÑÊÞÇ ÝÝÊÞäÇåãÇ)
Translation: ( don’t those people who don’t believe in Allah see that the skies and earth where adhered and we exploded them)…
And just think , how can prophet Mohammed be able to know this information in a century of no technology , this is one of the indicator that the the Holy Quraan is not made by the prophet..
Wanderer
18-06-02, 06:04 PM
Originally posted by Seniora
5)Every living thing, including vegetable matter, is created in pairs (male and female). (36:36),
Absolutely not true.
The most successful living organism, bacteria, are mostly asexual.
So too are sponges, hydra, and sea anenomes.
Come one, come all, and dispute this.
Seniora
18-06-02, 07:12 PM
Bacteria, definately produce sexually by a method called conjugation it is very different from the other way of sexual reproduction but it is never the less termed as sexual.
the bacteria, has plasmids, there are 2 types of plasmids, the fertility plasmid (F factor) and the resistance plasmid (R factor)
some bacteria dont have the F factor, and so cannot produce the pili, but this F factor can be passed from a bacteria who has it to that who doesnt by the following method:
the fertility plasmid, aids in the formation of a long tube called a pili between two bacteria, exchange of genetic material occurs through this pili, the longer the two bacteria are in contact (through the pili), the more amount of genetic material is exchanged. the pili breaks off leaving the 2 bacteria with a different genetic composition than in the begining, and then each bacteria would reproduce asexually by binary fission.
so bacteria does produce sexually. i was in doubt if such a method was termed as sexual as no new offspring is produced in that sexual stage, but only the genetic material has been changed, but every book i refered to terms conjugation as part of sexual reproduction.
Wanderer
18-06-02, 08:20 PM
"Generally, bacterial reproduction is asexual and occurs by binary fission resulting in identical daughter cells."
What you describe is true - however, there is no distinction involving a "male" and "female" just an unusual genetic transport mechanism.
Calling is sexual is a stretch - and is primarily because there is an exchange of genetic material - but is there a distinct male and female bacteria in the process you describe ?
"Conjugation is the exception to the rule that bacteria reproduce asexually. Although conjugation resembles sexual reproduction, an important difference is that conjugation is a one-way process. The F factor may exist as a free plasmid or may be inserted into the bacterial genome. Some conjugative plasmids (like the F factor of E.coli) can achive transfer of chromosomal genes. An E.coli strain which has this property is called Hfr strain (for high frequency recombination). It is important to know that chromosomal genes are transferred before the plasmid itself. If the bridge is broken during transfer, the recipient will remain F-.
VIRAL and BACTERIAL GENETICS
M.Tevfik Dorak, MD, PhD
the holy quraan sometime does not say things directly and it is the job for human being to think carefully,
thus in this aya which are pointing out it says pairs, that means
two and this two can be applied as following:
- in human, to have an offspring two have to meet ( mother an dfather).
- in asexual organsims: before u they make an offsprng they have to copy their genome in a process known as duplication , so u have two copy of genome , one(old one) reserved for the mother organism and the next for the next offspring ....
and in case of virus replication, the first step after it joins the host genome is to make copies.....
so the word pairs does not only include only two organism but it also might mean gene and other things that we might not know at the moment..
and about the conjugation , we are talking about reproduction ( as the ayya mentions) and if u go and search carefully , u will find that there is a difference between multiplying ( which the aaya is talking about0 and evolution ( mechanism of increasing diversity... which the ayaa is not talking about...
bacteria multiplies by binary fusion...
and bacteria get diversity (evolution)by the following processes:
mutation, transduction, conjugation ...
thus conjugation is not a process of reproduction but a process of evolution..... and i will go and search in teh net to give u a site which clearly mentions the difference between processes of multiplication and evolution..
and even in conjugation, think of it carefully, it is aprocess which can not happen if u only have one bacteria , there must be another bacteria whcih the pilli attach to two .,,, so again teh word two is applied here again...
before i give the sites .. i just want to add onething that there another way of evolution in bacteria which is called transformation( experimental)..
these are th sites which says that conjugation is not a method of reproduction.. and u have to be clear about the difference..
http://www.iol.ie/~alank/CROHNS/PRIMER/bacteria.htm
if u scroll down u will find two seperate paragraph one mentioning about the ways of multiplication and another about the ways of evolution....
http://esg-www.mit.edu:8001/esgbio/pge/tools.html it clearly says" bacteria in general, reproduce asexually, but in order to increase diversity and share the gene pool, they have developed a mechanism for transfer of genetic material from one bacterium to another" and as u read down it exzplains about conjugation.
http://www.seldeen.com/kenpage/conjug/conjug.html
look what it says at the beginning"Conjugation is the process at which genetic information is passed among microorganisms. It serves as an important adaptation in bacteria
as they gain resistance against antibiotics"
http://members.aol.com/BearFlag45/Biology1A/LectureNotes/lec22.html
if u scroll down to the section where it talks about conjugation u will find clearly written is that it not related to reproduction...
Wanderer
19-06-02, 05:54 PM
Thus the quote form the Quraan (as originally posted by Seniora)
"5)Every living thing, including vegetable matter, is created in pairs (male and female). (36:36)"
... is incorrect. Bacteria, Hydra, et al., are living organisms without male or female specialization.
What, exactly, are the theological implications of a falsehood in one's religious texts ?
Talking about falsehood in holy quraan..
The holy quraan is in muslim’s hands since 1400 yrs ago and since that time no any mistake has been discovered in the holy quraan …and still there are many things which still we don’t know what they mean and that is the mystery of holy quraan …
Simply it came from the creator .. and nobody perfect exept allah… and this is what we believe and what some people try to avoid this believe by any means but they can’t..
Wandrer, I know a western friend who always like to show off that he is a westerner , I don’t know why? Maybe he feels that western countries are superior and he tells me that they always open their mind .. and actually what I see that he is a closed minded boy.. cos when I tell him many evidence in holy quraan trying to prove that it is the book from the creator.. he just deny and try to find a very silly point just avoiding to convince his mind while many evidence is in front of himm..
U know what I tell him most of the time a bout this saying by one of the scientis, I don’t know his name: ‘human mind is like a parachute which works better when it is open” and we always save ourselves by opening our mind isn’t that a correct saying…..
The speed of light is the maximum speed the human has measured, and its value is standardized in the international units meeting in Paris 1983 as 299792.486 Km/second.
The first trial to measure this speed done by Olas Romer in 1767 as 299792+ un-measurable speed. but he proved that the speed of light is limited …
Now com’on with me and think step by step to show that this was proven long and long time ago by the holy quraaan where it gives the accurate speed as it has been stablished in Paris 1983..
Dr. Mohammed Dodah , one of the islaamic scientist who discovered that the speed of light is mentioned in the holy quraan in the chapter of AL-Sajda aaya number 5.
( íÏÈÑ ÇáÃãÑ ãä ÇáÓãÇÁ Çáì ÇáÃÑÖ Ëã íÚÑÌ Çáíå Ýí íæã ãÞÏÇÑå ÃáÝ ÓäÉ ããÇ ÊÚÏæä)
Translation: He regulates the affair(object) from the heaven to the earth; then shall it ascend to Him in a day the measure of which is a thousand years of what you count.".
Now let us discover how to calculate the speed from this sentence.:
And this require some basic knowledge in physics
Speed: distance/ time
The time in he sentence is one day(86164.09966 seconds)
The distance is that the moon moves around the earth in 1000 years( as you count it: muslims use the moon movement for the Hijri year) :
The month take one cycle around the earth in one month thus in 1000 years it will take 12000 cycle. The distance of each cycle will be the angular speed of the moon times the time for each cycle(30days).. that means
The distance= 12000 x 368207x 0.89157 x 6557198395
Thus the speed of the light is=12000 x 368207x 0.89157 x 6557198395 / 86164.09966= 299792.458
And now compare the speed calculated in Paris = 299792.458 km/second
And the speed calculated in the quraan in the 7th century = 299792.458 km/s
Now think again how can prophet Mohammed invent the holy quraan from his own mind , how can he be able to calculate the light speed in the 7th century where he did not see even a telescope…
This whole indicate that the holy quraan was not from him but from someone else who has the greatest knowledge the one who creat everything and he is Allah..
and some people still want more prof, how come and in this example there is an accurate prof...
sanwin25
21-06-02, 05:05 PM
There is no end to the strange things Muslim Fundies will claim. A new one is in A New Astronomical Quranic Method for The Determination Of The Greatest Speed Cby Dr. Mansour Hassab-Elnaby. There are hundreds of bogus arguments like this (see Qur'an Prior to Science and Civilization for example). But one need only see how bogus one or two are to see it isn't worth bothering investigating any more (see, for example, my other essay: Cosmology and the Koran: A Response to Muslim Fundamentalists, 2001). I guess this is the shotgun strategy--make so many wild claims that skeptics couldn't possibly rebut them all for shear lack of time, and claim victory.
Someone has rebutted the speed of light argument already: see the simple Review by Dr. Arnold Neumaier of the Institute of Mathematics at the University of Vienna.
My own thoughts right away were fourfold:
(1) The first thing I noted is that it is based on the moon's orbit and earth's rotation--both of which are and have been slowing down for ages (a year was 400 days long 60 million years ago, for example, and the moon's orbit is enlarging and its velocity slowing, both due to gravitational friction between the two bodies: see Did the Earth rotate faster in the past? and Is the Moon moving away from the Earth?, by Dr. Sten Odenwald, 1997). Thus, the moon's and earth's speeds (and the circumference of the lunar orbit) were slightly different 1400 years ago than they are today. Thus, on what time in earth's history is this calculation supposed to be based? The Muslims making the argument use contemporary measures, rather than measures as extrapolated for 1 AH, the year they believe the Koran to have been dictated to Muhammad. But why use values for the year 2001, almost fourteen hundred years later? Where is that indicated in the Koran? So I got suspicious from the start...
(2) The second thing I noticed is that the verse in the Koran that is being used is actually a paraphrase of the Hebrew Bible (Ps 90:4) and the New Testament (2 Pe 3:8), and is thus not unique to the Koran at all. In fact, in all ANE cultures "a thousand" was a standard word for "uncountable many," "a really, really lot a lot." In Greek, for example, chilia was so used; in Latin, milia. In Hebrew it is the same. Thus, from the cultural context it is hard to see this as any sort of precise measure. I would be far more impressed if the Koran said a day is equal to 1,023 and 2/3 years, or something like that, producing an absolutely exact result (at least as it would have been when the Koran was supposedly dictated--We would not allow such cheap comments about God in our Sabla..please save such low comments to yourself and refer to Sabla Rules in General Sabla
(3) Third, nowhere does the Koran say anything about something crossing any particular distance in a thousand years. The verse that is so interpreted (32:5) only repeats that god is almighty and a day to him is a thousand years. At best the translation can be turned into a reference to a period of a thousand years over which the world shall ascend, but across what distance is not stated or even implied. So we are already skating on thin subjective ice as it is.
The actual verses read:
[32.4] Allah is He Who created the heavens and the earth and what is between them in six periods, and He mounted the throne (of authority); you have not besides Him any guardian or any intercessor, will you not then mind? [32.5] He regulates the affair from the heaven to the earth; then shall it ascend to Him in a day the measure of which is a thousand years of what you count.
There is no connection made here with the moon (which is never mentioned anywhere in book 32), or with any distance being crossed, and any hint of the idea of light is completely absent. If not for Dr. Hassab-Elnaby's fertile imagination, no one would ever think "the affair" meant "light." To the contrary, "the affair" clearly refers to the universe as a whole (i.e. everything "from the heaven to the earth," the object of the previous sentence) and "it shall ascend to Him" might at best refer to the apocalypse, though the phrase can be a colloquialism for "he reckons," at any rate it is anyone's guess how light "ascends" or how it is we are supposed to know that it is light that is doing the ascending, much less that it is to ascend exactly the distance of 12,000 lunar orbits. Indeed, as Dr. Neumaier observes, this reading entails that God is physically located one light day from earth! So much for his omnipresence. Maybe Islam is a religion inspired by pyramid-building aliens? Von Daniken, move over!
(4) Fourth, the Muslim author jigs the result by importing a bogus notion of heliocentric compensation. He makes it look real by inventing a fake connection to Einstein's "second postulate" of Special Relativity (linking the Special with the General Theory), which states that the Special Theory holds in the absence of gravity--so that in the presence of gravity transformation equations are needed. But nothing in Dr. Hassab-Elnaby's math equates to the strength of the sun's gravitational field, so he is clearly not employing any real transformation factor.
The equation Dr. Hassab-Elnaby defends is as follows:
C = 12,000 [lunar revolutions about the earth] x 3682.07 [average orbital velocity of the moon today in km/hr] x 0.89157 [compensation factor for heliocentric gravitation] x 655.71986 [length in hours of one complete lunar orbit transit today] / 86164.0906 seconds [one sidereal day on earth today] = 299792.5 km/s
The essential number, the only one that has no validity here but that is required for the result to come out as the speed of light, is the compensation factor. There is no basis whatever for introducing this. The calculation without it is entirely correct whether the system orbits the sun or not. Moreover, there is no logic in multiplying lunar velocity by the cosine (why the cosine? No answer) of the degrees of solar arc crossed by the earth in a lunar siderial month (why a month? No answer).
This bogus import was noted by Dr. Neumaier, who aptly called it "pure nonsense." He was also clever enough to catch the fact that if we have to account for that (for whatever reason), then we are also obligated to account for the sun-earth-moon system's revolution around the galactic center (and, I might add, the orbital motion of the milky way within the local cluster), but Dr. Hassab-Elnaby didn't think of this. Ooops!
In the end, what the Islamic Fundamentalists are doing is finding any string of numbers they can dig up that produce any number significant to modern science, and then claiming the Koran predicted modern science. But that is like saying, on account of amazing but contrived coincidences, that Elvis is the Son of God. Remember: all this started with nothing more than a commonplace phrase "a day is like a thousand years." From this Dr. Mansour Hassab-Elnaby deduces the speed of light! At the very best he might have claimed that there is an amazing coincidence between the distance crossed by the moon in a thousand lunar years, and the distance light crosses in a day, but the Koran actually failed to predict this, since it fails to state so simple a sentence as that, and never mentions light or, in that context, the moon. But he cannot even claim this, because the math doesn't work out anyway. He had to invent an arbitrary and thus bogus "cosine of a 27 degree arc" to get even this "amazing" result.
Homines quicquam credent. People will believe anything.
:p
sanwin25
21-06-02, 07:52 PM
Fahad, you have anything to say about what I posted above ?
Wanderer
21-06-02, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by FaHaD
Talking about falsehood in holy quraan..
FaHad, you are educated in biological sciences. Is this true -
"5)Every living thing, including vegetable matter, is created in pairs (male and female). (36:36)" ?
I claim it is not. I claim Bacteria, Hydra, et al., are living organisms without male or female specialization.
What is you position?
P.S. avoid answering the question if your life or career is in danger. We will understand the implications.
SilentNoise
21-06-02, 08:27 PM
What ever is there in the holy quraan we belive it ofcourse
Wanderer
21-06-02, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by Borche_911
What ever is there in the holy quraan we belive it ofcourse
You have a background in biological sciences, Borscht ?
If so, I'd like to hear your comments to the question I asked FaHaD.
Mr. sanwin25:
to be honest i am not clever in physics and i like too much .. the last time i took physics courses was 3 yrs ago, and everything is evaporated.. but i still remember the basics and accordingly i extract the knowledge..
well, let me remind u about 2 pionts u have mentioned in ur post:
1- the day was longer before.. right.
2- the moon velocity is slowing down.. that means it was faster before..
now, let us go to the basics velocity=distance/time
and now let us go to basic mathmatic if distance increases and the time increases with nearly same amount the velocity won't change ...
i relate that to what we apply in medicine with the
PH=[HCO3]/[PCO2].... if the body HCO3 decreases as in acidosis,, the body try to hyperventilate to decrease the PCO2 , thus it will maintain the PH in normal limit....
i don't know the exact figure of the velocity and day duration 14oo yrs ago, otherwise it can be calculated..
and if u read the translation it is written "of what u count" , this does not specify the time that u use velocity and day's duration figure .......... thus it does indicate that the moon velocity and day's duration are changing,,, thus it is a new discovery thingi...
about why the moon is used and it is not mentioned in that chapter, well let me ask u this what the muslim use for their counting system of days...
let me remind u this, we are human and we can not compare our knowledge to allah's knowledge ... but what we are doing is try our best to explain his book which is in our hand....... thus sometime we got difficulty to understand what is written there cos there are many mystries in the holy quraan and that is a chanllenge for us to discover....
and regarding this topic may be we don't understand it fully... but at least we can explain something..
regarding ur post wandrer , friend who told u i am good in biology,, what i know i just passed those 2 extensive courses in general biology 4 yrs ago....
but i don't want to answer u cos i already answered that with two......and regarding the verse may be it is translated wrong cos what is mentioned their is pairs not ( male and female)
Originally posted by Wanderer
"5)Every living thing, including vegetable matter, is created in pairs (male and female). (36:36)" ?
The Aya is actaually :
(36:36) "Exalted is He who created all pairs (1), from what the earth grows and from themselves and from that which they do not know."
(1) Or "All Species"
The Quran on human Embryonic Development :
“We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqa (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqa into a mudghah (chewed substance)..” (Quran, 23:12-14)
Literally, the Arabic work alaaqa has three meanings:
1. Leech
2. Suspended thing
3. blood clot.
In comparing a leech to an embryo in the alaaqa stage, we find similarity between the two. Also, the embryo at this stage obtains nourishment from the blood of the mother, similar to the leech, which feeds on the blood of others.
The second meaning of the word alaaqa is “suspended thing.” The suspension of the embryo, during the alaaqa stage, in the womb of the mother.
The third meaning of the work alaaqa is “blood clot.” We find that the external appearance of the embryo and its sacs during the alaaqa stage is similar to that of a blood clot. This is due to the presence of relatively large amounts of blood present in the embryo during this stage. Also during this stage, the blood in the embryo does not circulate until the end of the third week, this, the embryo at this stage is like a clot of blood.
So the three meanings of the work Alaaqa correspond accurately to the descriptions of the embryo at the alaaqa stage.
The next stage mentioned in the verse is the mudghah means “chewed substance.” If one were to take a piece of gum and chew it in this or her mouth and then compare it with an embryo at the mudghah stage, we would conclude that the embryo at the mudghah stage is similar in appearance to a chewed substance, this is because of the somites at the back of the embryo that “somewhat resemble teeth marks in the chewed substance.”
How could Mohammad (Peace Be Upon Him) have possibly known all this about fourteen hundred years ago, when scientists have only recently discovered this using advanced equipment and powerful microscopes which did not exist at that time?
Hamm and Leeuwenhoek were the first scientists to observe human sperm cells (spermatozoa) using an improved microscope in 1677 (more than 1000 years after Muhammad –Peace Be Upon Him-). The mistakenly thought that the sperm cell contained a miniature performed human being that grew when it was deposited in the female genital tract.[/b]
The Quran on Mountains:
A book entitled Earth is a basic reference text book in many universities around the world. One of its two authors is Professor Emeritus Frank press. He was the science advisor to former US president Jimmy Carter, and for 12 years was the President of the National Academy of Science, Washington, DC. His book says that mountains have underlying roots. These roots are deeply embedded in the ground, thus, mountains have a shape like peg.
This is how the Quran has described mountains, God has said in the Quran:
“Have We not made the earth as a bad, and the mountains as pegs?” (78:6-7)
Modern earth sciences have proven that mountains have keep roots under the surface of the ground and that these roots can reach several times their elevations above the surface of the found. So the most suitable work to describe mountains on the bases of this information is the work “peg”, since most of a properly set peg is hidden under the surface of the ground.
The history of science tells us that the theory of mountains having deep roots was introduced only in the 1865 by the Astronomer Royal, Sir George Airy.
Mountains also play an important role in stabilizing the crust of the eath, the hinder the shaking of the earth. Allah has said in the Quran :
“And He has set firm mountains in the earth so that it would not shake with you” (16:15)
Likewise, the modern theory of plate tectonics holds that mountains work as stabilizers for the earth. This knowledge about the role of mountains as stabilizers for the earth has begun to be understood in the framework of plate tectonics since the late 1960’s.
Could anyone during the time of the Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) have known of the true shape of mountains? Could anyone imagine that the solid massive contain which he sees before him actually extends deep into the Earth and has a root, as scientists affirm?
The Quran on the Origin of the Universe:
The science of modern cosmology, observational and theoretical, clearly indicates that, at one point in time, the whole universe was nothing but a cloud of “smoke” (i.e., an opaque highly dense and hot gaseous composition). This is one of the undisputed principles of standard modern cosmology; scientists now can observe new stars forming out of the remnants of that “smoke”. The illuminating stars we see at night were, just as was the whole universe, in that “smoke” material. God has said in the Quran:
“The He terned to the heaven when it was smoke” (41:11)
Because the earth and the heavens above (The Sun, The moon, stars, planets, galaxies, etc.) have been formed from this same “smoke”, we conclude that the earth and the heavens were one connected entity, then out of this homogeneous “smoke”, they formed and separated from each other. God has said in the Quran:
“Have not those who disbelieved known that the heavens and the earth were one connected entity, then We separated them?..” (21:30)
Dr. Alfred Kroner is one of the world’s renowned geologists. He is a professor of Geology and the Chairman of the Department of Geology at the Institute of Geosciences, Johannes Gutenberg University, Mainz, Germany. He said: “Thinking where Muhammad came from .. I think it is almost impossible that he could have known about thinks like the common origin of the universe, because scientists have only found out within the last dew years, with very complicated and advanced technological methods, that this is the case.” Also he said: “Somebody who did not know something about nuclear physics fourteen hundred years ago could now, I think, be in a position to find out from his own mind, for instance, that the earth and the heavens had the same origin.”
Reference from a book entitled: "A brief illustrated guide to understanding Islam"
u got a warning ..
sorry for that , but this one of the sabla rule which can not be tolerated...
read the sabla rules about religion(no.7) and insulting God and his prophet..
sabla's rules (http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=6201)
Partial pressure at the sea level is 21% and as we go up it decreases gradually till it becomes 0% at 67 miles above sea level, this is also applied to the barometric pressure which also decrease (pascal 1648). this is why as u go up it will be difficult for u to breath cos the diffusion if oxygen from air to blood will decrease..
Also if u check the international encyclopedia volume 2 page 165-167, u will find that 50% of the total mass of air is found in an area from 0-20,000 feet above sea level. And 90% from 0-50,000. what we gain from this is that the density of air decreases as we go up vertically from the surface of the earth.
Also if u check the American encyclopedia volume 1page 394 , that the air plane should fly at a level to maintain normal internal air pressure to protect the passengers. And when it goes up, it should be gradual to prevent rapid drop of pressure as it goes up coz that will be dangerous for the blood because the absorbed nitrogen in blood will become gaseous and this cause problems..
So the summary from all of the above is that, as u go up u will have respiratory distress and chest tightness plus problem in blood vessels because of nitrogen..
Whole of these knowledge came from the era of the modern science,
But what if this information is mentioned in the holy quraan, would u believe it or not:
( Ýãä íÑÏ Çááå Ãä íåÏíå íÔÑÍ ÕÏÑå ááÅÓáÇã æãä íÑÏ Ãä íÖáå íÌÚá ÕÏÑå ÖíÞÇ ÍÑÌÇ ßÃäãÇ íÕÚÏ Ýí ÇáÓãÇÁ) ÓæÑÉ ÇáÃäÚÇã
Translation: ( Those who, Allah (in His plan) wills to guide-He opens their chest to Islam; Those whom He wills to leave straying-He makes their chest close and constricted, as if they had to climb up to the skies) (6:125)
This clearly shows that chest becomes tighter and make us difficult to breath as we go up..
So how can the prophet mohammed knows this , and in their life time there were nothing called barometer, planes ..etc.
So think again how can the holy quraan is Mohammed’s own invention.
and still some people , don't admit that ....................
but still and i persists in that, we muslim still did not reach to that level we understand everything in holy quraan and that is a challenege for us .. this is the mystery and beauty in the Holy Quraan...
sanwin25
23-06-02, 07:39 PM
I just pasted the article which responded to your claim about the speed of light. I didn't write it myself.
If you found anyting offensive in it, I apologize. Let me go back and reread it again and see what was so offensive.
Mr. sanwin25 friend no need for appology.. we are just dicussing and nothing wrong that .. but it is intresting friend..
but may i ask u a question : there are many proven facts are giving above , maybe some u don't believe .. but tell me honestly what do u think about them ...
MoonChild
24-06-02, 06:38 PM
Just as an alternative theory :)
There exists in the gnostic tradition (originally Eastern, similar to the Christian "Book of Life" and revived in "new age" spirituality) the concept of the Akashic Record, which is essentially a vast spiritual "library" that contains all knowledge of all things, including both the record of the lives of all people and the sum of all knowledge of the Universe.
Supposedly, this Akashic Record can be "accessed" by anyone with the talent or spiritual discipline to get there. It is suggested that those with psychic knowledge or the gift of prophecy (ie Edgar Cayce, Nostradamus, etc) got their information there. The Christian Book of Revelations can be seen as a walk through the Akashic Records (although it reads more like an LSD trip to me...)
The idea of knowledge not accessible in other ways can be seen as either prophecy or knowledge dictated by God directly, or read from God's Library, the Akashic Library.
(I think that it's a little silly to quibble over the fault of early writers to use modern terminology for things that simply didn't exist (or the vocabulary hadn't been invented yet), the writers had to use their existing language base to describe things they saw that were unfamiliar...)
I am not suggesting that Mohammed DID come by any "miraculous" knowledge in this way, just that there is an alternative theory to how it COULD have happened. I'll leave arguments as to whether it even happened to others :)
Thug4Life
24-06-02, 08:12 PM
The prophet Mohammed (PBUH) could not read or write ;)
i know what u meant..by.its spiritul psychic thingy..But Nope...its the knowledge that comes from the creator.that ofcourse knows everything...
any ways thats not the point here..the point that was meant by this topic is to enlight us with some of the facts that r there In the holey book..that even western scientics got a big time shock when they discovered it....some even converted to Isalam because of that...
Lord asks us to look, think and use our minds..everything surrounding us idicates his exsistance and that includes our own selves!
I realy Love the emberyological/fetal study that explained the stages of development of the fetus ..this was well described in the Holy Book.
Thank u Fahad for this Great Topic..whenever i read it...my heart beats fast as every day i discover a new thing that levels up my faith in This Great religion ...Islam :)
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P.s. I read some were that Norstidamous knowledge came from ancient books He read..not from his mind or soul or spirits or whatever...that souce (i realy cant remember it) said that he himself in the end of his life said this! and he said that its from an Islamic source or shall I say eastern civilization source!
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well thanx moonchild for the new information about that Akashic record..
this is the first time i hear of it...and i don't know anything about.. i will search for it ( if i can) and try to get information about its origin and when it was first known , plus is it real or just a legend..
but that is only to gain knowledge... not to find wether prophet mohammed took information from it..
cos as thug said...could not read or write....
that will be nice if u help me in finding that book....
MoonChild, perhaps this would help you, and I believe this is one of the greatest miracles of the Quran.
The Verses in the Quran that mention future events which later came to pass.
An example of the events foretold in the Quran is the victory of the Romans over the Persians within three to nine years after the Romans were defeated by the Persians. God has said in the Quran:
“The Romans have been defeated in the nearest land (to the Arabian Peninsula), and they. After their defeat, will be victorious within bedd’(three to nine) Years ..” (30:2-4)
Let us see what history tell us about these wars. A book entitled History of the Byzantine State says that the Roman army was badly defeated at Antioch in 613, and as a result, the Persians swiftly pushed forward on all fronts. At that time, it was hard to imainge that the Romans would defeat the Persians, but the Quran foretold that the Romans would be victorious within three to nine years. In 622, nine years after to Romans defeat, the two forces (Roman and Persians) met on Armenian soil, and the Persians, for the first time after the Romans defeat in 613. the prophecy was fulfilled just as Allah has said in the Quran.
There are also many other verses in the Quran and sayings of the Muhammad (Peace Be upon him) that mention future events which later come to pass.
From a book called “A brief illustrated chide to understanding Islam”
Mr Tickle
25-06-02, 02:17 PM
Sorry SoMe - you are wrong
The Romans have been defeated - in a land close by: But they (even) after (this) defeat of theirs will soon be victorious within a few years, with Allah is the command in the past and in the future: On that day shall the believers rejoice (Surat Ar-Rum 30:2-4).
This surat cannot be considered a prophecy in any sense, for it does not mention who defeated the Romans, where they were defeated, or who shall be defeated by them. It seems strange that the Muslims would rejoice because of the victory of the Romans who were Catholics at that time.
Why do they not rejoice today for the victories of the Christians?
sanwin25
25-06-02, 04:47 PM
Fahad, this is what I think about your comment. There is nothing in the Quran which should be interpreted the way you are doing. For example, this speed of light example. This is really convulated thinking to imagine that the God was specifiying the speed of light in the various sura's. Now if you reread my post you will clearly see that the article has effectively demolished the argument about the speed of light since the calculation is based on arbitrary assumptions. Science does not work in that way.
You can take any writing and twist it around to prove a point if you really want to. This is similar to the prophecies of Nostradamus. Read the prophecies and they mean nothing. Take the prophecies and try to fit them to events that have happened and bingo ! See Nostradamus had predicted them. He is supposed to have named hitler (as Histler) by name. But Histler is the name of a river not a man.
I think you should look for beauty and spiritual insight in religious texts. Please don't try to look for a science textbook in them. Thats not what they were meant for.
Shakoosh Kabir
25-06-02, 05:10 PM
Il entrera vilain, meschant, infame
Tyrannisant la Mesopotamie,
Tous amys fait d'adulterine d'ame.
Tertre horrible, noir de phisonomie.
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He will enter, wicked, unpleasant, infamous,
tyrannizing over Mesopotamia.
All friends made by the adulterous lady,
the land dreadful and black of aspect.
MoonChild
25-06-02, 06:05 PM
Originally posted by SoMe1
MoonChild, perhaps this would help you, and I believe this is one of the greatest miracles of the Quran.
I have no trouble believing that prophets can be successful at predicting the future. I simply disagree that any one religion is exclusively capable of doing it, or that this proves a miraculous connection with the God of that religion.
(neither does it deny it)
sanwin, i said it alot and i think u did not get it well..
and i will repeat we are human and we can not compare our knowledge to teh knowlefge of allah... there are many things in holy quraan which we don't understand well and this is a challenege for us..
and regarding the topic of the speed of light, it is suggested by one of the muslim scientist ( dr. mohammed dodah) , who tried his best by using the quraan verses to get the speed of light.. and he did that after the speed of light has already been known...
and if u carefully read his theory or discovery u will find that it is true , and the speed of light can be calculate from it.....
the problem might be u don't believe in it...
and by the way i am not twisting things around, what i am telling are true facts, but seem that some people are twisting around just to make their mind closed..
and regarding ur post moonchild, i am still looking to know more about that book u have mentioned , i am going to find every bit of it...
Mr. pinnochio this got ur answer: and pls translation for the verse should be complete...
( ÛáÈÊ ÇáÑæã¡ Ýí ÃÏäì ÇáÃÑÖ æåã ãä ÈÚÏ ÛáÈåã ÓíÛáÈæä ¡ Ýí ÈÖÚ Óäíä ááå ÇáÃãÑ ãä ÞÈá æ ãä ÈÚÏ æíæãÆÐ íÝÑÍ ÇáãÄãäæä ¡ÈäÕÑ Çááå íäÕÑ ãä íÔÇÁ æåæ ÇáÚÒíÒ ÇáÑÍíã )
Translation: (the Rome has lost in the lowest area on earth, but after their lost they will win again after few yrs , and on those days allah will make the muslim happy by winning them…etc )
These verses contains five historical and scientific finding that know one can be able to predict that time.. and they are:
1- the fight was between the rome and Persian : why..
location of the fight was the lowest area on the earth as the verse mentioned .... and it is well known that the lowest area on earth is near the dead sea between Jordan and palestene( 329 meters below the sea level) .. and this is mentioned in the british encyclopedaia ( u can check it if u wish),,, and historically it is known that the people who fought with against Rome in 613 AC near the dead sea were the persian who muslim at that time knew about it.. so ur question about the location and people who fought with the romeanian is answered....
2-the verse shows that the Rome will win after they lost the war with Fares… the holy quraan predicted that the Rome and fares will meet again and rome will win.. and that is what happened in 622 AC.
3-Predicting the time of the second war .. the verse says after few yrs and in Arabic language few( bi’63) means 3-9 … and this what happened after 9 yrs ( 613-622) the rome won.
4-The verse also shows that the muslim will win against there enemies . where it says ( and allah will make the muslim happy by winning them). And this what happened in the war of Bader, which was the first war in islam and they won.
5-The verse also shows that muslim will win at the same yr that the rome wins…
so now Mr. pinnochio who is wrong now u or some1...???????
ur all question are just answered by the location of the lowest area on the earth surface,, and this is another fact that holy quraan has mentioned that the lowest part on earth is near the dead sea... and sanwin , we are not telling those things from our imagination.. it is well and clearly written in the verse...
Mr Tickle
25-06-02, 07:54 PM
As the prophecy stated the Byzantines did become victorious over the Persians who had at first defeated them. Yet there are fundamental problems with this alleged prophecy:
According to Yusuf Ali the Arabic word for "a few years, "Bidh'un, signifies a period of three to nine years; yet according to some scholars the victory did not come until nearly twelve years later. The Persians defeated the Byzantines and captured Jerusalem at about A.D. 614 or 615. The Byzantine counter-offensive did not begin until A.D. 622 and the victory was not complete until A.D. 625, making it a period between ten to eleven years, not "a few years" alluded to in the Quran.
The original Quranic text had no vowel marks. Thus, the Arabic word Sayaghlibuna, "they shall defeat," could easily have been rendered, with the change of two vowels, Sayughlabuna, "they (i.e. Romans) shall be defeated." Since vowel points were not added until some time after this event, it could have been quite possible for a scribe to deliberately tamper with the text, forcing it to become a prophetic statement.
This fact is solidified by Muslim commentator al-Baidawi. C.G. Pfander mentions Baidawi's comments on the variant readings surrounding this passage:
"But Al Baizawi shatters the whole argument of the Muslims by informing us of certain varied readings in these verses of Suratu'r Rum. He tells us that some read (Arabic text appears here) instead of the usual (Arabic text appears here) and (Arabic text appears here) instead of (Arabic text appears here). The rendering will then be: 'The Byzantines have conquered in the nearest part of the land, and they shall be defeated in a small number of years'. If this be the correct reading, the whole story about Abu Bakr's bet with Ubai must be a fable, since Ubai was dead long before the Muslims began to defeat the Byzantines, and even long before the victories which Heraclius won over the Persians. This shows how unreliable such Traditions are. The explanation which Al Baizawi gives is, that the Byzantines became conquerors of 'the well-watered land of Syria' (Arabic text appears here) and that the passage predicted that the Muslims would soon overcome them. If this is the meaning, the Tradition which records the 'descent' of the verses about six years before the Hijrah must be wrong, and the passage must belong to A.H. 6 at earliest. It is clear that, as the vowel points were not used when the Qur-an was first written down in Cufic letters, no one can be certain which of the two readings is right. We have seen that there is so much uncertainty about (1) the date at which the verses were 'sent down', (2) the correct reading, and (3) the meaning, that it is quite impossible to show that the passage contains a prophecy which was fulfilled. Hence, it cannot be considered to be a proof of Muhammad's prophetic office." (C. G. Pfander, Mizan-ul-Haqq - The Balance of Truth, revised and enlarged by W. St. Clair Tisdall [Light of Life P.O. Box 18, A-9503, Villach Austria], 279-280) [emphasis ours]
This being the case, a Muslim cannot confidently tell us what the true reading of the text is and hence cannot insure us that this verse originally predicted the Byzantine victory over the Persians. Yet either rendering leaves us with a false prophecy within the Quran.
It amazes us that a prophecy from God would not specify the exact time of the victory, seeing that God is all-knowing and all-wise, declaring the end from the beginning. When God specifies a time frame as an important part of a prophecy we would expect that it be precise, not a mere guess. For God to guess that the Byzantines would win at some time within "a few years" as opposed to specifying the exact year, is inconsistent with the belief in an Omniscient, Omnipotent Being. Hence, it is unlikely that the true God would actually make such a prophecy. Interestingly, the phrase "a few years" serves to further discredit this alleged prophecy. Abu Bakr believed the term "a few years" meant that the Byzantines were going to win in three years:
"This passage refers to the defeat of the Byzantines in Syria by the Persians under Khusran Parvis. (A.D. 615 - 6 years before the Hegira). However, the defeat of the Persians should take place soon 'in a small number of years'. In the light of this prediction, Abu-Bakr undertook a bet with Ubai-ibn-Khalaf that this prediction would be fulfilled within three years, but he was corrected by Mohammed who stated that the 'small number' is between three and nine years (Al-Baizawi). Muslims tell us that the Byzantines overcame their enemies within seven years. The fact, however, is that the Byzantines defeated Persia in A.D. 628 (Al-Baizawi commentary). That was twelve years after the prediction of Mohammed. Consequently this passage does not qualify as a prophecy, particularly as the time between prophecy and fulfilment was far too short, and in addition the event was easily predictable." (Gerhard Nehls, Christians Ask Muslims [Life Challenge, SIM International; Africa, 1992], pp. 70-71)
about those akashic record,
well let me tell u this .. if those people believe that there is a library or whatever, let them prove it and show to us and put in our hand...
holy quraan, is in front of u a real book not from imaginationsss...
anti-islam poeple, tried to say many thing on prophet mohammed, they say that he invent the holy quraan from his mind, he is a magician and soo on... tell me how come a man living in a desert who is simple who can't read or write .. and how come he knows about seas , galaxies in that century...
theyt also say that , mohammed took knowledge from christian who where in madina and now they invent new thing that might mohammed used that imaginary library.. how come....
and he came out with a book from allah, which is not only based on prediction only, it contains many other life issues: politicals, economical , social , marrital ,... etc..
so mr sanwin, yeah i am concentrating only in scientific which i am good in , but don't take it like that , quraan is a comprehensive book.which organizes thw whole aspects of life .. ....
and what about those people like nastradamus, they brought up from their imagination aboiut a library,, ohh let them show it to us ,, and what it is just prediction ., and always prediction are 50% correct and what i can see people are only concentrating on these 50% correct..
Mr.pinnichio..
i want to ask u something, from where u r coping and pasting,, and pls try to understand what u r reading not from one source or one direction...
and i can see something, once u get an answer u don't put it in ur mind... u just go and pick any line and forget whatever answer or true facts giving to u ...
about whatever u have said above, pls go and learn arabic first then come and talk...
and pls know that some verses in the holy quraan , are sent to mohammed because for some reasons... and whatever u r talking about the vowls , yeah u r right that vowls in arabic language can change the meaning,, but go and check the reason why that verse is sent to mohammed.. beacause Mr. pnnochio at that time it was known between people the war was between rome and persian.. and persian won.. and muslim when they put the vowls they were not stupid ,
is like u say that countryA won against countryB and u come and write that countaryB won against countaryA..
the problem is that some people take the holy quraan as a simple book, while it is so difficult and need someone who is comprehensive , not someone who just tries his best to disagree..........
Mr Tickle
26-06-02, 04:50 PM
is 'Pharoah' an arabic word?
MoonChild
26-06-02, 06:02 PM
The Akashic Record is not a "place" or a "thing". You might call it the Mind of God - and you can share this information by communing spiritually with God, by asking questions and receiving answers. Of course you don't need to be able to read or write for this as the answers come in whatever form best transmit the information to your mind.
Thought of this way, all seekers receive miraculous information (straight from God). Thought of another way, NO information is "miraculous" because all the knowledge of the universe is just "out there", waiting for you to find it.
Today there are a lot of New Agers who will take your money and tell you they are getting special information for you from the Akashic Records - but the original Eastern concept is quite esoteric and actually makes sense.
well thanx moonchild for the akashic record..
:rolleyes: mind of god... and by money u can get that mind :eek:
MoonChild
26-06-02, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by FaHaD
:rolleyes: mind of god... and by money u can get that mind :eek:
Hey, spiritually special people have to eat, too ;) :p
New Agers will charge (and pay!) for ANYTHING - some of it is likely true but they give it all a bad name!
The metal iron, is one of the stable and heaviest metal on the surface of earth.. it has a very characteristic magnetic feature and it is considered as main component of the bottom of earth (35% of its whole composition).
In Siberia, a strange phenomenon is happening where many number of iron atoms fall in the earth with the snow… so from where these iron atoms come?????
In early sixties, geologist discovered that the origin of iron is not from earth but from the outer space and come to earth by the falling masses …and they fall in different shapes and size and some of them are destroyed by the atmospheric layers into very very small particals….
And the astronomies found that very high amount of energy is required to form one atom of iron , and this amount of energy cannot occur on earth or in the solar system..
And as it is mentioned in the British encyclopedia that heavy metals are formed in space and they come to the earth in forms of falling masses (asteroids)..
And the scientist Arthur Peers said in his book “Earth”, that the falling masses are classified into three types:
-93% are ironic masses which contains iron and nickel.
-Stony ironic masses which 50% of it made of iron and nickel. And the rest is made of stone I think called (ovel)
-Stony masses ..
These masses falls on the earth , and in 1902 they found a 62 ton mass in USA. And 1000 of tons of iron are found in the big hall in Arizona which resulted from a big falling mass.
Now , think little bit how come mohammed(PBUH) knows this fact, and how come he discover the origin of iron… this is a good indicator that the holy quraan is not from his own imagination..
ÞÇá ÊÚÇáì:( æÃäÒáäÇ ÇáÍÏíÏ Ýíå ÈÆÓ ÔÏíÏ æ ãäÇÝÚ ááäÇÓ)
Translation : ( and we have descended the iron, wherein is great violence and advantages to men)
Enjoy Ur Death
25-07-02, 02:28 AM
keep it up FaHad and don't bother ur self with what the people who closed their brains and their hearts says
about 70% of the surface area of the earth is covered by seas and oceans,
in the past scientists were more concerned in studying the land and its natural characteristic more than studying seas, ocean and rivers.
During the period between the 15th and 18th century sea traveling has increased however ,many where not able to understand the nature of the sea, except when the British ship The Challenger took it trip around the world between 1872 to 1976. where it discovered that the characteristics of sea differs from one area to another in term of salinity for example.
After that many studies done on the sea till the 20th century and by the help of spaceships they were able to discover the aqueous barriers and they classify these barriers into tow:
A-between two seas:
-the tow seas differ in the salinity, density , temperature , oxygen solubility and in the living organisms.
-There is mixing between the two sea even with the presence of the barrier, but the barrier act by slowing this mixing process so the characteristics of the two seas won’t be affected.
-This barrier exist between the medittarian sea (hot and salty) and the Atlantic sea (colder and less salty).
B- between a river and a salty sea: here there a lot of difference specially in the type of organism which live in the barrier. Example of this barrier is in the Nile River and Amazon River.
But now the question again, how can prophet Mohammed (PBUH) be able to now about sea sciences and he was living in a desert where finding water is a difficult issue.
ÞÇá ÊÚÇáì : ( ãÑÌ ÇáÈÍÑíä íáÊÞíÇä ÈíäåãÇ ÈÑÒÎ áÇ íÈÛíÇä* ÝÈÃí ÁÇáÇÁ ÑÈßãÇ ÊßÐÈÇä*íÌÑÌ ãäåãÇÇááÄáÄ æÇáãÑÌÇä)
Translation: He has made the two seas to flow freely (so that) they meet together: Between them is a barrier which they cannot pass. Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny? Out of them come Pearls and Coral:" [55:19-22]
This tells about the first type of barrier between two seas (pearls and coral found in sea.)
ÞÇá ÊÚÇáì:( æåæ ÇáÐí ãÑÌ ÇáÈÍÑíä åÐÇ ÚÐÈ ÝÑÇÊ æåÐÇ ãáÍ ÃÌÇÌ æÌÚá ÈíäåãÇ ÈÑÒÎÇ æÍÌÑÇ ãÍÌæÑÇ)
Translation: It is He Who has let free the two bodies of flowing water: One palatable and sweet, and the other salt and bitter; yet has He made a barrier between them, a partition that is forbidden to be passed" [25:53]
This shows clearly the second type of barrier , and the partition mentioned in the verse indicates that it is a barrier for organism from sea to pass to the river and vice versa ..
soo with all these facts,, some people still say that how can prophet mohammed hears allah?????
The moon, it is the beautiful object in the sky which light up our dark night..
People in the past worked a lot to understand this object and its nature.. Chinese built some kind of instrument to study its movement. Then came the Greek and the ancient Egyptian and they tried to study the eclipse phenomenon . then came muslims who were concerned to study the moon because of the islaamic calender depends on the moon movement and many astrologist came up like thabit bin qurra.. but they were not able to describe its exact nature and its origin.
But later those questions were answered by the discovery of the telescope, spaceships..etc
Pictures from the surface of the moon showed many large holes, hills and cold volcanoes.. and these made more confusion about the nature and origin of the moon .. but after the American step on moon in 1969 by Nil Armstrong. and after the geological analysis of the moon sand and they reached into the following findings:
-the moon formed since 4 millions yrs, and during its life it faced many collision with a lot of space objects and with the high heat in the moon that time many holes , hills are formed.. and this lead to many volcanoes on it surface.. then the moon cooled down slowly( volcanoes settled down) until it became inert and cold object after it was shiny .
now would not it be amazing if these finding match with what has benn mentioned long time ago in muslim’s holy book:
ÞÇá ÊÚÇáì: (æÌÚáäÇ Çáíá æÇáäåÇÑ ÂíÊíä¡ æãÍæäÇ ÂíÉ Çááíá æÌÚáäÇ ÂíÉ ÇáäåÇÑ ãÈÕÑÉ) ÇáÇÓÑÇÁ 16Translation: "And We have made the night and the day two signs, then We have made the sign of the night to pass away, while the Sign of the Day We have made to enlighten you" [17:12]
Here the night sign is the moon and day sign is the sun and both were shiny, but then the day sign remained to be shiny while the night sign lost its shining.
Now just think and think again, is the holy quraan made from prophet own mind…
… and again u still want someone witnesses Mohammed {pbuh) talking to Allah
Qahtany
05-08-02, 07:20 AM
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Translation: (the Rome has lost in the lowest area on earth, but after their lost they will win again after few yrs , and on those days allah will make the muslim happy by winning them…etc )
The place where the two forces have met was as mentioned and scientifically proven as to be the lowest point on earth
any one heard about this ?
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FaHaD ..I just brought this up,so we can read it more..and the new members who wasnt at the time when this thread was posted to read it..
Cause its One of the best threads in this Sablaa.And i encourage everyone to have a look in it..and increase their knowledge and think twice in it...
Qahtani That was one of the greatest inlighting...I read about it before..
Well I just read this article from Islamway.com And i found it very interesting and worth reading..I know its long but its wothy..Just have a look and think of How Great is it! Sub7anna allla sub7anna allla. Something emazing.
Quran & The sensory characteristic of the skin
Dr. Tagata Tagasone: Laa Ilaaha Illallah Muhammad Rasool Allah !
This man is uttering the Islamic creed (Shahaadah) and declaring that he is becoming a Muslim. This occurred during the Eighth Saudi Medical Conference which was convened in Riyadh. He is Professor Tagata Tagasone, formerly Head of the Department of Anatomy and Embryology at the University of Shiang Mai in Thailand. He is now the Dean of the College of the Medicine at the University.
We presented to Professor Tagasone some Qur’aanic verses and Prophetic Ahadeeth which deal with his specialization in the field of anatomy. He commented that they also had in their Buddhist books very accurate descriptions of embryonic developmental stages. We told him that we were very anxious and interested to see those descriptions and learn about these books. A year later, Professor Tcame to King Abdul Aziz University as an outside examiner. We reminded him of the statement he made one year before, but he apologized and said that he in fact had made that statement without ascertaining the matter. However, when he checked the Buddhist books he found that they contained nothing of relevance to the subject.
Upon this we presented to him a lecture written by Professor Keith Moore about the compatibility of modern embryology with what is contained in the Qur’aan and the Sunnah and we asked Professor Tagasone if he knew of Professor Keith Moore. He replied that he knew him of course, adding that Professor Moore was one of the Most world-renowned scientists in that field.
When Professor Tagasone studied this article he also was greatly astonished. We asked him several questions in his field of specialization. One of the questions pertained to modern discoveries in dermatology about the sensory characteristics of the skin.
Dr. Tagasone responded: Yes if the burn is deep.
It was stated to Dr. Tagasone: You will be interested to know that in this book, the Holy book the Qur’aan, there was a reference 1400 years ago which refers to the moment of punishment of the unbelievers by the fire of Hell and it states that when their skin is destroyed, Allah makes another skin for them so that they perceive the punishment by a fire, indicating knowledge about the nerve endings in the skin, and the verse is:
Those who reject our signs. We shall soon cast into the fire; as often as their skins are roasted through. We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the chastisement: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise [ Qur’aan 4:56]
So do you agree that this is a reference to the importance of the nerve endings in the skin in sensation, 1400 years ago?
Dr. Tagasone responded: Yes I agree. This knowledge about sensation had been known long before. Because it says that if somebody does something wrong, then he will be punished by burning his skin and then Allah puts a new skin in him, cover him, to make him know that the test is painful again. That means they knew many years ago that the receptor of pain sensation must be on the skin, so they put a new skin on.
The skin is the center of sensitivity to burns. Thus, if the skin is completely burnt by fire, it looses its sensitivity. It is for this reason that Allah will punish the unbelievers on the Day of Judgement by returning to them their skins time after time, as He, the Exalted and Glorified, said in the Qur’aan:Those who reject our signs. We shall soon cast into the fire; as often as their skins are roasted through. We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the chastisement: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise (Qur’aan 4:56).
We asked him the following question: ‘Is it possible that these verses came to the Prophet Muhammad, (sallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam), from a human source?’
Professor Tagasone conceded that they could have never come from any human source. But he still asked about the source of that knowledge and from where could Muhammad have possibly received it?
We said, ‘From Allah, the Most Glorified and Most Exalted.’ Then he asked: ‘But who is Allah?’ We replied: He is the Creator of all that is in existence.’ If you find wisdom then it is because it comes only from the one Who is Most Wise. If you find knowledge in the making of this universe, it is because the universe is the creation of the One Who has all the knowledge. If you find perfection in the composition of these creations, then it is proof to you that it is the creation of the One Who Knows Best. And if you find mercy, then this bears witness to the fact that it is the creation of the One Who is Most Merciful. In the same way, if you perceive creation as belonging to one unified order and tied together firmly, then this is proof that it is the creation of the Only Creator, May He be Glorified and Exalted.
This is no less than a reminder to (all) the worlds. And you shall certainly know the truth of it (all) after a while.(38:87-88).
ohh sorry,
i did not noticed ur reply najah.. i just came to check this thread thinking to continue it...
thanx for ur effort aboot the sensory discovery found in holy quraan..
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