What’s with the Sector problem?

[SoMe1]

All over the country people fight over for who and what is the best sector, forgetting that we are at the end all Muslims, following One Quran, One Lord, and believe in all the messengers. I believe that the sector problem which people keep on nagging about is rather pathetic! I mean instead of standing and supporting each other, we fight over things which make no senses!

What is Islam? Its to believe that there is no Lord but Allah, and that Mohammed is his messenger, to pray, to give money to the poor (Zaka), Fast Ramadan and doing the pilgrimage for who can afford it at least once in life time, and Of course believing in the coming life (after death). All the Muslims sectors wont disagree on the above.

What is the problem then? Fighting, one if you are “Abathi” and you pray behind a “Sunni” then your pray is not acceptable! Oh yeah? Then when you go to Mecca, do you pray behind the imam? He is Sunni!! Or do you make your own prayers! Oh please give me a break! Even the Shee3a who are so different then “Abathi and Sunnies” pray with us!

When the Question “ what sector are you from” I just say : I AM A MUSLIM!
My grandparents are Shee3a, my family is half sunni and half abathi, I don’t really follow the Shee3a coz I feel much comfortable with the Abathi and Sunni sector, I believe its closest to the right Islam! So let people pray and follow the Quran, why fight and argue over small stuff? It just shows up pathetic one can be, and that they have nothing better to do then criticize someone’s elses sector.

Usually I pray with my hands down, but if im in Jordan, or Lebanon, and we pray in the Mosque, then I pray as Sunni, Why? Coz I follow the people there!

Don’t tell me that Abathi’s are the only people who would go to Heaven, or Sunnies only would go there! I hate to hear such crap!

I wonder what would Prophet Mohammed think of Muslims when he sees them in this useless situation!

[abu Suleiman]

Dear,

This subject is being discussed so many times in different situations.
You said that Ibadhy refuses to pray behind sunny.
I dont know how did u get this info.
What I know that Wahabia people will not pray behind ibadhy, where as Ibadhy prays behind any one from any different sects.
But in our country (Oman) this problem is so small because all we live together and we pray in one mosque.
Second thing you should be following one sect rather changing from this to that because this will help you to practice your Islam more clear.:) :) :)

[SoMe1]

Salami,

Generally i follow the Abathi sector, however, i do pray as a Sunni among them, as in Jordan, they have never heard of the Abathi's you know that the Abathis are mostly in Oman and Algira, and Morroco perhaps!

I follow the group. but my believes are sticked to the Abathis more over.

[Arabian Princess]

Well I do not beleive much in sects .. I beleive thier are things taht were created after the Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) and they are just Fitna ..
When an issue arraise in my head .. I try to read about it from differnt books and then choose the best answer that fits my beleive ..
Well some1, no ibadthi or sunni or even a muslim can claim that some people will go to heaven and other wont .. its Allah's decesion and we are here to pray to ALlah in any way we beleive is right.

[abu Suleiman]

Dears,
You talk as many other young people talk, they say we dont follow any sect but weseek our answers from the books.
You all dont you see this as its not clear?
I want to ask you a question, as you say Arabian princess, when you face any problem you go to look fo an answer in a book.
OK my q who has written that book? isnt a scholar belongs to any of the sects, which are around us? If u say yes so u beleive in that sect because u follow that scholar who wrote that book, which u r looking in it.
My dears following one sect doesnt mean that u r MOTAASIB.
E.G. u see Ibadhyah scholars when they write a book they bring quotations from other sects' scholars.
Read Gawhar aNitham for Imam AlSalmy
we take truth from anybody even its brought by somebody, who is hateful to us, and false is disregarded even its brought by a close brother.
My last thing is to say please, every muslim, study you Islamtho roughly.
ssmamary@hotmail.com

[ReVeLuTiOnAl^]

SoMe1: I am abadhi and I pray behind sunneh when i am not with abadiyyeh, and wherever I go, abadiyyeh always pray behind sunneh.

Sadly. shei3a don't pray behind any of the other sectors except very few people. And the same with Sunneh sometimes.

As abu Suleiman said, we are suuposed to follow our scholars, i call myself MUSLIM rather than abadhi, but this is inevitable. The Quran was sent clear in some issues, but it left some issues where scholars have to justify them and clarify them more.

If we talk about the collaboration between these sectors, we can conclude that the Ibadhiyyeh always try to gather them. The Mufti Shei`7 Ahmed Alkhalili tried several times to gather the different sectors but his trial always are rejected!.. On the 1st of June, last week, he even did a lecture in one of the Shei3a mosques in order to close the gap between the sectors in Oman. He talked with the scholars in Saudi in order to be one hand regardless of the different sectors we have, but they refused, they even committed us as being kuffar!.

Talking about who will go to heaven; in my view and I believe in this, I don't say Ibadhiyyeh will go to heaven and the rest will not!! no this is wrong, I am not the judge of muslims, I belive that sunneh, ibadiyyeh, shei3a. etc.. will go to heaven BUT not all of them, those who worship their God trully and faithfully, i even think that some christians MIGHT go to heaven along with muslims, it all depends on the relation between the person, his heart and his God.

[Arabian Princess]

Abu Suliman,
Well I am an Ibadhiya because my family are ones .. but I still beleive that I sould not retrict my self to what the Obadhy sect says. I try to search for more knowladge about it and I beleive that as long any sect does not contradict what Islam says then it should be directed diffrently.
Plus, let us see what are the diffrences between sects .. they are minor details like if we wil c god at the end and if all muslims will go o heaven and stuff liek these and these are in supranational life so we should not bother about that and we sould bother how to worship Allah better.

I agree with Rev., collabrating between mathahib are the best soloution ,.. we should call differnt scolars as single ulmaa instead of concentrating on which sect they follow.

[abu Suleiman]

Reve---

I'm surely saying that Christian will not go to heaven since Islam is only accepted religion to Allah as He decribedit in surat alImran.
First read verse no. 19 then read verse no.83 then verse no. 85.

Arabian princess,
U r not clear but i'll tell u if u r an Ibadhyah why u have to pray diffrently unles u r not standing on firm ground.
By the way please read about Ibadhyah.
There is a very good book talking abt how the ala immah ruled by shariah called Oman and the Ilamic democracy by Ghabash from UAE.
Read the introuction in sharh al Jamiaa for alImam alSalmy.

[SoMe1]

Salami,

I believe that the Abathi's are the most closest to the real Islam as i see it. i follow that religion, but when you go to places like Jordan, Lebanon, they have never heard of Abathi's. hardly any difference between the Abathi and Sunni's anyways. the sunnies would usually argue with you when they see you praying as an abathi as they have never heard of it, so just to avoid it, i pray as a sunni and leave, what’s important to me, that i was concentrating in my prayers, and inshallah it will be acceptable.

[Arabian Princess]

Prayers are something that ou cant say am right and sunni are wrong .. I am sure they have thier addilah and we have ours .. so we should not enter into this .. I pray like my mom taught me and my teasher taught me ..
sometimes the thing I say in teh begning of the prayer is differnt .. and my mom did not scold me coz it is not somthing important !!!
I read about ibadhiya .. and I know it cos as I told u am one of them .. but I dont beleive in sect all over .. I follow shiekh al khalili coz I beleive he is a knowlagble person .. and I follow other sunni shyokh when they give me knowlagable answer !!

[IceTea]

Originally posted by SoMe1
Salami,

I believe that the Abathi's are the most closest to the real Islam as i see it. i follow that religion, but when you go to places like Jordan, Lebanon, they have never heard of Abathi's. hardly any difference between the Abathi and Sunni's anyways. the sunnies would usually argue with you when they see you praying as an abathi as they have never heard of it, so just to avoid it, i pray as a sunni and leave, what’s important to me, that i was concentrating in my prayers, and inshallah it will be acceptable.

I find your behaviour a bit strange, If u feel yourself u are following Abadhi's principles then u need to stick to it and concentrate on one sector instead of moving from one to another according to where u are or because u feel imbarssed that othes don't know about Abadhi. Lets assume u travelled to Iran for example are u going to follow shi3a and pray on a pice of tissue or stone for example.

[SoMe1]

Icetea, as i said before, im kind of different, as my grand parents are Shee3a, my brothers are Sunnies and i am Abathi.

we are a mixed family, i never pray as shee3a coz i don’t believe in so many things in what they say or think, up to them, but im not convinced, about Sunni and Abathi, it doesn’t really matter how you pray, what matters is it acceptable or not, now can you give me prove that the Sunnie's or Abathi's prayers is not acceptable because one of them would pray with their hands down and the other with their hands folded?

[mimosa]

Differences between sects in Islam are the same as differences between religions: If we look at the details of individual beliefs then we can always find something on which to disagree.

But ultimately we all believe pretty much the same thing: God made us, and would like us to be nice to each other, and may reward us with eternal life after death if we do the right thing.

What's the right thing to do? Pray with your hands up or down? Wait for a Mahdi? Destroy pagan statues? Fight a war against those who disagree with you? Eat one animal but not another?

Do you think God, in His infinite wisdom, gives a toss how you stand when you think of Him, or what you have for dinner? I don't. the only thing that matters is to always seek to do the right thing - and every one of us knows our own hearts, don't let anyone else decide for you.

[Sharqawi]

I do agree with some1, that she try to avoid confrentation, in my case i travel a lot but i never pray as sunnies simple i dont belive that we should fold our hand, yeas many try to confrant me, but i did not give attention. cos i know islam is about how we purify our inner soul and good manners.
I was raised by shiaat, and and letter by sunnies, and here i am abadhy and every day i become more convinced of abadhy as the closest to islam, but without underming other.

[^drifTing spiriT^]

Shee3as always try to make you feel that they are right and you are wrong, and that's they're problem. They even won't allow their daughters to marry non-shee3a, as if they are actually non-muslims! I don't really care what sector I follow as I'm not so deeply into all that, but sometimes I think, what if it's true what people say: You have to be shee3i to go to heaven. You see, they always have their own way of making you feel wrong, even though a lot of what they say and believe in is nonesense!

[mimosa]

Drift,

It's not very constructive to call other people's beliefs 'complete nonsense' is it?

And religious bigotry is not confined to the Shi3a. Some are more open-minded than others, just like any other sect. I know plenty of Sunni and Ibadhi who would not let their daughter marry a Shi3i.

[Jinan]

I dont like the sector problem we have in Oman.. it puts me off completely... its sad but its true ....

Drifting Spirit...

U have no right to call another sect complete nonsense.... How wud that make u feel if i called ur belife a complete nonsense??? U wudnt like it right ?? so there, u need to respect wht others believe in....

Some poeple might not agree for their daughters to marry a non shi3a and its happening... and im sure the same goes on the rest of the sects right ??

btw, there are people in all the sects that believe they and only them are right and now else... so plz dont accuse shi3as only...

Some1...
wht ur saying here is very very awkward.... this tells me that ur faith is not strong.. or maybe u dont want people pointing at u... but i find it pathetic .. honestly.. u need to stick to one thing.. whts this sunni abadhy, abadhy sunni??/ really weird....

[SoMe1]

Jinan, i am a Muslim doesnt matter if is was Sunni, shee3a, Abathi or whatever, ilmohim i pray, i fast, i wear my hijab the right way, i follow islam, i follow the arkan alslam and Eman.

i read Quran i do all the things that a Muslim would do, i am pathetic? at least i look like a muslim and act like one!!!

[Jinan]

some1...

I just stated wht i thought... Im sure that this sabla allows members to state views and opinions .. which I did.... btw, im not attacking u on a personal level.. cuz I have nothing agaisnt u ...

[SoMe1]

Jinan, you surely have the right to post whatever you like no problem with that. But I just think we see things from different angles, I didn’t see why did you have to call the way I think or do things “pathetic”.

As I mentioned above my grand parents are shiia my parents are abathi and my brothers follow the sunnies.

Now everyone has the right to Chose which sector they are comfortable with and follow it. I follow the Abathi’s. but if I pray among the Sunnies then I fold my hands like them ( doesnt matter what matter is that im concentraiting in my praiers and i know what im saying), that’s the only thing I do like them, other wise, I don’t say Ameen after “Alfatiha” I don’t raise my finger while doing the shahada, etc.

Some say since my grand parents where shee3a then how come my dad is abathi? I would say if you are a Christian, Hindu, etc.. and realized that Islam is your way to life and the right religion, you wont convert becase your parents are what they are???? Its yoru parents who made you what you are, its not you and what you want and what you think is right, even the prophet (Peace be upon him) said

“kol mawlood yowlad 3ala il fitra (believing in one lord) fa abawaho, yowahiano, as yonasirano, aw yomagisano”

“every child is born to believe that there is only one Lord “Allah”, but his/her parents would make him a Jew, Christian or a Hindu .. etc” it was not your choice it was a choice made for you.
The same thing with the sectors.

[Arabian Princess]

Exactly this is why I do not like to enter into sects discussions .. it just make muslims less united.
I beleive that as long a muslim beleives in the 5 pillers of Islam, follow the Quran, then he cant be wrong. Other things might have controvorsries in them and this should be used as an advantage not a unadvantage.
there are parts in Islam that you could not discuss and could not prove who is right and who is wrong (examples pray hand folded or not) so just follow what your parents teach u (as long as it does not contradict with the QUran and Sunnah) and Inshalah you wont be wrong!!

[Jinan]

some1...

I still cant digest wht u do.... im a shee3a... i pray like one no matter where i go... it doesnt bother me wht people say or think...but i cant imagine myself praying like a sunni cuz im in a sunni country... or pray like a wahabi cuz im in their country... i believe in one thing... if u do something then u do it properly...