Halal or Haram???

[amo0or]

Hello guys ..
i just wanted to know your opinion in Zawaj el mut3ah it is 7alal or 7aram?? and why do say its 7alal or 7aram?? coz this is a very big problem here in oman between shi3ah and abatha and suna
So if u can help those ppl plzz and give them a hint about it,that will be great of u !:rolleyes:

[ReVeLuTiOnAl^]

Salam amo0or...

This topic is difficult to deal with in English unless we have a specialist who can provide us with the right terminology.

However, the topic has been discussed many times in the Arabic Sabla, so you may need to go there and check it as it is more clear and has been answered by some scholars. www.omania.net

[yellow sapphire]

Allah said"fama istamta3tum bihi minhonna fa atoohonna ojorahon"
this is if u want the quran so it is halal
but if u want Rashid words or Khamees words or Saeed words it is haram
now what u want Allah word or these people words

wa allaho a3lam

[amo0or]

yellow sapphire: Ok fine.. so u said it's 7alal..and if the lady 7amlit ??? whats the solution in that case?? or is it a 7alal baby or 7aram??
and i as i heard that the one who wants to do this (zawaj mut3ah) they usually keep it for themselves , so what happen to the lady when she get married from a guy (i mean normal zawaj) and she is not vergin??? coz usually the ppl dont know that heya tzawjit zawaj mut3ah??

[Arabian Princess]

This a very big debate between different sects in Islam ..
First, I ould explain what does it mean , Mutaa marragie is a marraige with a contaract that has an ending.. for example ,, the man and the woman agree that they marry each other for a week or a month and they dvorce after that.

Well, as Yellow Spheire says .. its halal for Shiaa .. lets first see what is the concept of marraige in Islam . Marraige should be a life time agreement between the husband and wife and both have rights and obligation to each other .. Marraige is also a way to continue human kind and this is why it is haram to stop having babies if the mother is not ill.
NOw in Mutaa marraige .. the wife is supposed not to have babies and the marraige contract stops after some time ..
I see it as zina .. and my ecidence is .. would any of you guys would marry thier daughter to a man by mutaa marraige???
I read many hadiths that prophibted mutaa marraiges .. but because I knew thet YS wont accept the hadiths I used comon sense.

[IceTea]

I have opened a new thread about this issue as I didn't know about this thread talking about same subject. The discussion is below:

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posted by IceTea
What do u think guys of "zawag al mut3ah" which means temporary marraige for pleasure ? According to "shi3a mathab" its halal so u can marry as u want temporary for 1 week or 2 weeks, etc just for the sake of pleasure !!!, but in fact its pure zena (adultry) and therefor its haram. wallaho a3lam.

posted by Amoor
ok..so what is the different between zina and zawaj el mut3ah???
in zawaj el mut3ah, the man and the lady knows that they'll get divorce after some few days!! and i think this is 7aram..coz as i heard that when el zawjeen known that they are going to divorce after some few days this is zawaj ba6il..coz then everyone will do it to whatever they want to do(which is sex) then finito!! i think this is 7aram and allah a3lam

posted by IceTea
There is no difference between this type of marraige and adultry (zina), because zina is for the sake of having sex, enjoyment and in addition its like treating women like ****s. And its for few days and than they will leave eachother and they will start to have another temporary wife. And this is not the kind of marraige Allah permitted, the real marraige is more than the low level objective of this temporary marraige. Its meant for building a family, rasing kids and cooperation between the husband and his wife to live a happy life which also affect the whole society. wallaho a3lam.

posted by B_I
....dunno if it's 7alal or 7aram , and i don't think that we have the right to judge each others believes, if the shia think it's ok to do so..then there must be a reason for it , and we can't just say it's zina..that way you're saying that the shia's are kuffar and are basicaly going to hell!!
anyways..i don't like the idea of marrige just for pleasure, and don;t approve of it!

Thread closed by Bimmi :)

[MoonChild]

From what I can tell (since most of the posts aren't using English words!) it's just a way to "date" someone or have an affair... but if you call it marriage it's somehow OK? Doesn't seem any better than a "one night stand" to me...

[Arabian Princess]

exactly moonchild and this is why it is haram (prohibited)
I tried to explain some how about it in my thread if u need more clarification please dont hesitate to ask

Members, please use this as a reminder not to use arabic words in this fourm .. we have to respect the non-arabic speaking members here. Thankz

[yellow sapphire]

Dear amo0or,
i did not say i will give u solution ,i just proved from quran it is halal.
after that what will happen who will die who will cry and india_pakistan war.
i just proved from the quran that it is halal.


is there any thing happen after this iyah i do not know.
what Khamees and Rashid and Saeed have said i do not know and i do not want to know.

[ReVeLuTiOnAl^]

Y-S: you explain the Quran according to your interests or what?,,

The word "estemte3tom= desired" does not mean to have a relation with somebody for short time.. is this is the case, then what is the point of having dowry? if the woman got pregnant, then where the child will be with? who will bring him up? who will feed him?.. ok how long does it last?!! can they divorce?!! lots of questions need to be justified...

The word "estemte3tom= desired" means what you want from woman to marry, i.e to live with for long time.

Other thing:
Usually the prophit (PBUH) tried to apply in his life these issues of marriage and divorce, but there is no evidence clearifying what is called zawaj mut3eh (marrying for short time).

More:
It seems you don't accept how others explain the quran. No dear, sadly i heard a shei3i saying: the quran is bigger than your minds..so leave it!!> You talking about khamis, salim..etc.. .
The Quran meant to be the leading path of muslims life, therefore we are required to study it and discover what is in.

[Arabian Princess]

Good answer Reve.
YS please dont explain the QUran according to your limited knowladge .. you have to refer to people who are knowlagable than you in these fields and we are not talking about any tom and harry!

[yellow sapphire]

why are you talking to me as if i am from shi3ah.
i am not from shi3ah but i said clearly if shi3ah believe in quran i am shi3i.
if there is a new mathhab who believe in quran i am with them.
i am not with those who believe in Khamees , Rashid and Saeed.
I do not want to know about them and i do not want to know what they used to wear and used to eat.i do not want to know how they used to walk.i do not want to know what they have said.

<marquee><h4><font color=red>Rahsid ,Khamees and Saeed are not important to me</font></h3></marquee><hr>
i am advising all of u to go back to the quran and leave Khamees ,Rashid and Saeed.
<h5>not to mention Khalfan and jum3ah and Sa3doon</h5>

[Enjoy Ur Death]

what is the aim of this discussion? i still don't understand why u people are talking as enemies ... the way we discuss and the topics which we choose here remind me with the popular story which says " i have been killed when my 1st friend were killed' .. i am sure that all of u know that the best way of helping islam is to strength each other in different ways , there r many common things between us but i have never seen any article writing about these things or thanking ALLAH for our islam, we always guide every one to the points were non of us is an expirt .. r u ready to take the responsibility of adding or remving smth from islam ? why don't each one of us read , ask and think in logic way before submitting any word in any wrticle ... please islam needs us ? many Qs are asked to it and there r few who talk 7 defened but when the knife falls between us then we all r heros ??!!

[FaHaD]

100% with u friend enjoy ur death..

finally u joined us, welcome to our home...
i will enjoy my death don't worry..

exactly what u said , " i have been killed when my 1st friend were killed'

[Jinan]

if the woman got pregnant, then where the child will be with? who will bring him up? who will feed him?.. ok how long does it last?!! can they divorce?!! lots of questions need to be justified...

See just like a normal marriage, the child will be the man's responsibilty, the father has to feed him as he is a legitimate child , the period of the marriage is decided between both the parties, and if they want they can change it to a permenant marriage... obviously, then the mut3a period is over u go through a divorce, unless like I said they have changed their minds...

btw, mutaa marriage not only means sexual relationship... it has emotions involved as well, and yeh one of u mentioned abt the girl being a virgin... its said that if the girl is virgin then her father has to give the permission.. but if she is not, then she can decide without needing to ask any of her peers...

[Arabian Princess]

Jinan,
I dont understand why a marraige can be temporary!! it has no logic. Does a father agree that his daughter marries temp. to more than one man?! I mean when a woman get normally married and get divorced, many people refuse to marry her .. what will happen to this girl if seh decided one day to have a normal life and have a permenant marraige?!

Sorry Jinan, but I do nto think that is any logic in this marraige. I see it as a disaster to our society.

[mimosa]

What is to stop a Sunni or Ibadhi marrying in the normal way, and divorcing his wife after a year, a month, a week or a day? Nothing! I guess the declared intention is different (in a 'regular' marriage, the husband gives an opn-ended committment, pays a dowry in some societies etc), but the outcome could be the same.

It seems to me that mut3a marriage is maybe a little odd, even cynical in effectively anticipating the divorce in advance. But it's a public committment that gives rights to each party, it's not the same as adultery or 'dating'. In theory, it's different, but in practice, I think any religion which allows divorce in practice allows mut3a (except mut3a is more honest!)

Just a thought:confused:

[Arabian Princess]

mimosa,
in Islam divorce is the last option. It is called the worst halal to ALLAH, so it is not something encouragable. In MUTAA, divorce is soemthing that is there in the begining, a person is getting married and getting divorced within a month, a year or even 10 years. Why does the option of divorce is there?
Marraige is suppose to insure security, what security any part of the marraige would feel when they know that in a certain date thier marraige is due. Maybe one of the two parties want to continue the marraige, and another one does not! Yes they did do it that way but still I am trying to find a logci out of it!!!

I dont know, but I think Mutaa marraiges are ways to use women. No women want to be called divorced, or want to turn from man to another .. but some women have no option but that "prostitutes??" and men would use that!!

[mimosa]

Princess,

It seems odd to me too.....but what I'm saying is that women can always be treated badly by exploitative men, even in a normal marriage.......this is just an official version where they both know it at the beginning, and it's got to be better than adultery hasn't it?

[yellow sapphire]

according to Khamees and Rashid whom i do not know they are saying the truth or they are paid by someone to say this information,according to them:
1-alimam ali alihi alsalam has said:lo'la Omar ma zana illa shaqi.
2-Omar has said:motatan kanata halalen wa lakinni anha
anhoma wa ohrimhoma,altamato bilhaj wa altamato binnisa.

we do not know if Khamees and Salim were good muslims to say this.and we do not know may be Khamees and Salim did not say this but this is said by Hamdan and Saeed.i do not know the people who r doing reasearch can help us please.