Why Don't Muslims Eat Pork?

[3 a b d o o s h]

Salam Alaikum,

I was just thinking about this recently, why don't Muslims eat pork? I'd really would want to know what, yourself, think.
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I was told by a couple of people. When your slaughter a pig, not all the dirty blood comes out of it. Which leaves in some bacteria of some sort, that could harm you.

[Blackout]

because chicken tastes better

[Amjad]

Because pork comes from pigs and pigs eat filthy things and live in filthy environments and Muslims don't want to eat something that eats filthy things and lives in a filthy environment. Makes sense? Maybe no, but it makes sense to me.

Also, have you ever heard of the saying "s/he eats like a pig" that's usually said to a person who eats too much of anything and everything? That's how pigs eat, and that's why Muslims don't want to eat anything that comes from pigs.

And yeah, chicken tastes a lot better as Eothyn said. :cute:

[Russo_turisto]

cuz it's 7aram7aram7aram and Bob's your uncle, 3abdoosh:D:hyper:

Eo, did you ever have a taste of it?:hmm:

[Amjad]

From wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig):

"Pigs will scavenge and have been known to eat any kind of food, including dead insects, worms, tree bark, rotting carcasses, garbage, and even other pigs."

Seriously dude, do you want to eat something that eats all these stuff? :os

And have I mentioned that pigs look scary?

[Blackout]

Eo, did you ever have a taste of it?:hmm:

yeah :p

In boarding school my friend ordered chicken but suspected it was pork. I saidI ll try it cause hes probably just being a drama queen.

My kid brother saw us and told me off :shy:

[Russo_turisto]

so what were your feelings like? was it bacon?:p

how did you figure out it was pork?

[Sporty4life]

because Allah forbade us to eat it.

[Russo_turisto]

^ I told you Eo. Everything has its explanation....
:D

[Blackout]

no cause by then all the other students gathered round (my friend was such a drama queen :mmhmm: ) and this Italian girl cam round and had a tste and said it was pork.

Bacon I may or may not have had with a pasta once. Hmm no that was beef bacon. Donno I am pretty clumsy :inno:

[Blackout]

because Allah forbade us to eat it.

You are just too smart!

[Sporty4life]

^haha, jerk....

[Blackout]

^LOOOOL

I know, Right?

Fall back! :angry:

[Russo_turisto]

lol it was fake bacon, then... real bacon is made from Bork.. i mean, pork.

Perhaps if you had tasted it, you'd have an opinion of it. And told some if it tasted like shyt for real or no. That Italian girl... why did she say that meat tasted like pork and not shyt?..

[3 a b d o o s h]

Pigs eat filthy things, and eat each other and dead animals. But, if they come from hog farms, they probably feed it well. So, it gains pounds and has more meat. So, it wouldn't be eating anything dirty.

[Fatiko]

How about because they're disgusting and feed on their own sh!t ?! =/ Isn't that an enough reason for you as a human not to eat something this filthy?

[Russo_turisto]

Agreed 3abdoosh. Don't eat it myself but see little reason in it.. frankly speaking, some ppl will invent just any excuses to make pigs look like utter monsters. Yeah they eat whatever looks their way, but farm pigs don't, as you said.

And they're not ugly at all. In fact, they're quite cute. Especially little piglets:love:


How about because they're disgusting and feed on their own sh!t ?! =/ Isn't that an enough reason for you as a human not to eat something this filthy?

did you ever see a pig (esp.one eating its own shit)?
don't invent tales, ppl. this is getting hilarious.

[Soulless]

i prefer to keep them as pets instead of eating them xD

[Sporty4life]

fatiko's right and so is amjad, and yes russo turisto, pigs do eat their own feces, its a known fact.

[3 a b d o o s h]

How about because they're disgusting and feed on their own sh!t ?! =/ Isn't that an enough reason for you as a human not to eat something this filthy?

Well, apparently most humans eat it. So, I don't see it that convincing, if a lot of people still eat it.

Agreed 3abdoosh. Don't eat it myself but see little reason in it.. frankly speaking, some ppl will invent just any excuses to make pigs look like utter monsters. Yeah they eat whatever looks their way, but farm pigs don't, as you said.

And they're not ugly at all. In fact, they're quite cute. Especially little piglets:love:



did you ever see a pig (esp.one eating its own shit)?
don't invent tales, ppl. this is getting hilarious.

Thanks you Russo.

[NiGhTFaCe]

Pigs eat filthy things, and eat each other and dead animals. But, if they come from hog farms, they probably feed it well. So, it gains pounds and has more meat. So, it wouldn't be eating anything dirty.
Here you go,
http://www.goveg.com/factoryFarming_pigs_farms.asp


This thread makes me laugh really! Its like we are running out of cow/sheep/chicken meats, so we look for alternatives & pork is one of them! :D

[Russo_turisto]

^^ salalah kid, don't be slightly arrogant, matey. they're right, according to you... you could have said 'i agree with fante and amjad' instead.

lol at Soulless:XD: thumbs up, mate:hyper:

[Russo_turisto]

Nightface, you got it at a veggy site... hmm... interesting.

[NiGhTFaCe]

Russo_turisto, what's your point over the whole thing about eating pork, because I can see you jumping around?! :p

[3 a b d o o s h]

Here you go,
http://www.goveg.com/factoryFarming_pigs_farms.asp


This thread makes me laugh really! Its like we are running out of cow/sheep/chicken meats, so we look for alternatives & pork is one of them! :D

It doesn't state that they eat each other, though the conditions is pretty bad. Cows, goats and whatever are still in the same condition. But, since they feed them, they don't eat poop or other pigs.

Nightface, it's not like were running out of cow/sheep/chicken or alternative meats. It's just some people, would like to know what they believe in and be convinced enough so they could practice what they believe in, faithfully. Also to be able to answer other people with different beliefs. If it doesn't necessarily convince a Muslim, how would it convince someone with another belief?

[Fatiko]

did you ever see a pig (esp.one eating its own shit)?
don't invent tales, ppl. this is getting hilarious.
http://www.goveg.com/images/432-Toptenpigs.jpg


5). Toxins. A pig's body contains many toxins because they are bottom dwellers meaning they eat food which is devoid of nutrition (pig slop). They eat the left over junk and some pigs eat their own feces. These animals store massive amounts of toxins in their fat, which is then passed on to you if you eat it.

[3 a b d o o s h]

http://www.goveg.com/images/432-Toptenpigs.jpg

So, I take it that you've never seen pigs eat their own poop.

[Russo_turisto]

Russo_turisto, what's your point over the whole thing about eating pork, because I can see you jumping around?! :p

I personally don't eat it but I won't tell anyone off even if they're Muslim (or Jewish:p) if they eat it occasionally. It's just MY lifestyle. But I don't like ppl inventing tales about piggys. They're cute:P

Kapeesh (like brother Stingo - a fan of urban language - says)?;)

[NiGhTFaCe]

It doesn't state that they eat each other, though the conditions is pretty bad. Cows, goats and whatever are still in the same condition. But, since they feed them, they don't eat poop or other pigs.

Nightface, it's not like were running out of cow/sheep/chicken or alternative meats. It's just some people, would like to know what they believe in and be convinced enough so they could practice what they believe in, faithfully. Also to be able to answer other people with different beliefs. If it doesn't necessarily convince a Muslim, how would it convince someone with another belief?
So you aren't convinced that pigs live in dirty environment & they eat their own sh!t?!! :think:

You say there are people who eat it, so you think its okay?! Well, there are people who eat insects, the some of us find it disgusting, some people eat dead animals, maybe nothing happened to them. But, that doesn't make it right!




I personally don't eat it but I won't tell anyone off even if they're Muslim (or Jewish:p) if they eat it occasionally. It's just MY lifestyle. But I don't like ppl inventing tales about piggys. They're cute:P

Kapeesh (like brother Stingo - a fan of urban language - says)?;)
Well, we learned that pork is forbidden & the reasons why were very clear, myself I am convinced!

Now if you aren't, that's your opinion, after all 3 a b d o o s h is looking for the Islamic view.

[Russo_turisto]

^^ you can hold them in a palace in sterile conditions... :hyper: why not have a slice of their pink @ss then?:hyper:

[3 a b d o o s h]

So you aren't convinced that pigs live in dirty environment & they eat their own sh!t?!! :think:

What if they live in a clean enviroment and don't eat their own poop?

[Sporty4life]

^our lord still forbade us to it eat.

[Jihad4Truth]

I don't know too many humans who can resist the smell of bacon frying on a pan.

But if your faith forbids it then your faith forbids it.

[3 a b d o o s h]

^our lord still forbade us to it eat.

Why did our lord forbid us?

[NiGhTFaCe]

What if they live in a clean enviroment and don't eat their own poop?
That's one of the reasons, read here,


Bad effects of pork consumption

Pig's bodies contain many toxins, worms and latent diseases. Although some of these infestations are harbored in other animals, modern veterinarians say that pigs are far more predisposed to these illnesses than other animals. This could be because pigs like to scavenge and will eat any kind of food, including dead insects, worms, rotting carcasses, excreta (including their own), garbage, and other pigs.

Influenza (flu) is one of the most famous illnesses which pigs share with humans. This illness is harbored in the lungs of pigs during the summer months and tends to affect pigs and humans in the cooler months. Sausage contains bits of pigs' lungs, so those who eat pork sausage tend to suffer more during epidemics of influenza. Pig meat contains excessive quantities of histamine and imidazole compounds, which can lead to itching and inflammation; growth hormone, which promotes inflammation and growth; sulphur-containing mesenchymal mucus, which leads to swelling and deposits of mucus in tendons and cartilage, resulting in arthritis, rheumatism, etc.

Sulfur helps cause firm human tendons and ligaments to be replaced by the pig's soft mesenchymal tissues, and degeneration of human cartilage. Eating pork can also lead to gallstones and obesity, probably due to its high cholesterol and saturated fat content. The pig is the main carrier of the taenia solium worm, which is found it its flesh. These tapeworms are found in human intestines with greater frequency in nations where pigs are eaten. This type of tapeworm can pass through the intestines and affect many other organs, and is incurable once it reaches beyond a certain stage. One in six people in the US and Canada has trichinosis from eating trichina worms which are found in pork. Many people have no symptoms to warn them of this, and when they do, they resemble symptoms of many other illnesses. These worms are not noticed during meat inspections, nor are they killed by salting or smoking. Few people cook the meat long enough to kill the trichinae. The rat (another scavenger) also harbors this disease. There are dozens of other worms, germs, diseases and bacteria which are commonly found in pigs, many of which are specific to the pig, or found in greater frequency in pigs.

Pigs are biologically similar to humans, and their meat is said to taste similar to human flesh. Pigs have been used for dissection in biology labs due to the similarity between their organs and human organs. People with insulin-dependent diabetes usually inject themselves with pig insulin.


http://www.themodernreligion.com/misc/hh/pork.html

[Sporty4life]

3 a b d o o s h
why did the lord of the jews forbid the mixing of dairy and meat? why did lord of the catholics forbid getting divorces?

[Russo_turisto]

Well, we learned that pork is forbidden & the reasons why were very clear, myself I am convinced!

Now if you aren't, that's your opinion, after all 3 a b d o o s h is looking for the Islamic view.

3abdoosh didn't say he was looking for the Islamic point of view, I guess he's eager to see our personal opinions too.




I was told by a couple of people. When your slaughter a pig, not all the dirty blood comes out of it. Which leaves in some bacteria of some sort, that could harm you. perhaps those ppl who told him about this way of slaying a pig...well I wonder if they're THAT knowing, if you know what I mean.:rolleyes:

[3 a b d o o s h]

Hmm.. I never knew about the influenza. That's interesting.
I have heard that pigs are biologically similar to humans, and I've heard a lot of stuff. Organs, I don't get it. But, I heard that if you get yourself cut, they use pigs flesh to stitch it, because it bonds so well and their practically the same.
Well, thanks! I'm pretty much convinced now and have enough information.

[3 a b d o o s h]

3 a b d o o s h
why did the lord of the jews forbid the mixing of dairy and meat? why did lord of the catholics forbid getting divorces?

mhmm.. I don't see the relation, sorry. Could you be more straight forward.

[NiGhTFaCe]

3abdoosh didn't say he was looking for the Islamic point of view, I guess he's eager to see our personal opinions too.

I wonder then why the thread is in the Islamic Sabla?! :rolleyes:


You don't eat it yourself, why are you so defensive?! :p Maybe you should tell us why you don't eat it instead :think:

[Shinigami]

They say the best way to get rid of a corpse, like in leave no evidence for the CSI, is to chop it and throw it in a pig farm. Why? because pigs -literally- eat ANYTHING and EVERYTHING!

Pigs will eat you, poop you, then again eat you (or at least eat you in your poopish form) back again!

One more reason: because Allah said so, and am 100% sure that the wisdom behind forbidden such food is much greater than what we will ever realize.
So we should just not eat it.

[Russo_turisto]

That's one of the reasons, read here,


Bad effects of pork consumption

Pig's bodies contain many toxins, worms and latent diseases. Although some of these infestations are harbored in other animals, modern veterinarians say that pigs are far more predisposed to these illnesses than other animals. This could be because pigs like to scavenge and will eat any kind of food, including dead insects, worms, rotting carcasses, excreta (including their own), garbage, and other pigs.

Influenza (flu) is one of the most famous illnesses which pigs share with humans. This illness is harbored in the lungs of pigs during the summer months and tends to affect pigs and humans in the cooler months. Sausage contains bits of pigs' lungs, so those who eat pork sausage tend to suffer more during epidemics of influenza. Pig meat contains excessive quantities of histamine and imidazole compounds, which can lead to itching and inflammation; growth hormone, which promotes inflammation and growth; sulphur-containing mesenchymal mucus, which leads to swelling and deposits of mucus in tendons and cartilage, resulting in arthritis, rheumatism, etc.

Sulfur helps cause firm human tendons and ligaments to be replaced by the pig's soft mesenchymal tissues, and degeneration of human cartilage. Eating pork can also lead to gallstones and obesity, probably due to its high cholesterol and saturated fat content. The pig is the main carrier of the taenia solium worm, which is found it its flesh. These tapeworms are found in human intestines with greater frequency in nations where pigs are eaten. This type of tapeworm can pass through the intestines and affect many other organs, and is incurable once it reaches beyond a certain stage. One in six people in the US and Canada has trichinosis from eating trichina worms which are found in pork. Many people have no symptoms to warn them of this, and when they do, they resemble symptoms of many other illnesses. These worms are not noticed during meat inspections, nor are they killed by salting or smoking. Few people cook the meat long enough to kill the trichinae. The rat (another scavenger) also harbors this disease. There are dozens of other worms, germs, diseases and bacteria which are commonly found in pigs, many of which are specific to the pig, or found in greater frequency in pigs.

Pigs are biologically similar to humans, and their meat is said to taste similar to human flesh. Pigs have been used for dissection in biology labs due to the similarity between their organs and human organs. People with insulin-dependent diabetes usually inject themselves with pig insulin.


http://www.themodernreligion.com/misc/hh/pork.html

Oops... two q's if you don't mind:

1) So this article is saying that eating pig's flesh will eventually make a human more of a piggy? 'Replaced by the pigs tissues'..lol... a veeeeery scientific article!:hyper:

2) FYI..what's the point of cooking and baking food? Exactly getting rid of bacteria and microbes... Influenza? Omg even if it survives the baking I'm afraid it can only increase the human's immunity.

I wonder what Hitty thinks of this article...:hmm:

[Jeff]

I don't think there is any evidence that non-Muslims would accept that pork is inherently more unhealthy than other meat.

But I think I could defend this kind of law from a Muslim or Jewish perspective.

I think you could just say that in order to have a community, you have to have rules. Some of those rules might more "sense" at one point in time than at another point in time. But even when they don't make "sense" in the same way, it's still good for people to follow them.

Pigs not only eat garbage, they also dig up graves and eat human bodies when they are wild. Or at least, they were known for doing so with the shallow graves of the Middle East in ancient times.

Dogs too in similar situation will dig up and eat human bodies and waste material.

There is an instinctual cultural horror for this kind of thing...God put that horror in us and He ratifies it, you could say.

We needn't worry too much about the "scientific truth" of such things. After all, there is no real scientific reason why we shouldn't eat our own dead, is there?

And we needn't worry about the idea that "that was then and pigs don't usually do that any more." Continuity is important for people and maintaining the attitudes of the past in continuity with the present is an important way of sustaining a community. God knows this and uses it in making Law.

I think if I were a Muslim or Jew, I would use this approach to justifying or understanding provisions of Law like this.

[Russo_turisto]

I wonder then why the thread is in the Islamic Sabla?! :rolleyes:


You don't eat it yourself, why are you so defensive?! :p Maybe you should tell us why you don't eat it instead :think:

cuz we're free to discuss various things that relate to our religion and aren't doomed to have ONE opinion on it which is considered conventional, la?

I explained my point of view already. See above:p The same reason why I don't go ****ing around or why I don't pray to icons.

I'm not defensive, I just want everyone to think freely:6:

[Thalia]

Other meats were rarely eaten and forbidden back then. There was little to no really good methods of conservation. No fridges or ice boxes. People would have a glass of cow's milk, get fever and die. Today it's unheard of. It is also very rare for people to get those horrible diseases your grandmother tells you pork will give you. Infact, you run the same risk of getting worms from eating beef. Or Salmonella from chicken and fish.

Today, animals slaughtered for food must be kept in an acceptible hygenic state, have frequent quality tests to make sure they are disease free. Their feeding is controlled and their living areas are frequently cleaned. These are standards that are set by law and are inspected.

I don't like pork that much.. Because it's rather tasteless and tough. But I can't live without sweet and sour pork and maltese pork sausage. Ahhhhh...

[Thalia]

because chicken tastes better
So.. this means you've tasted pork?

[Jeff]

cuz we're free to discuss various things that relate to our religion and aren't doomed to have ONE opinion on it which is considered conventional, la?

I explained my point of view already. See above:p The same reason why I don't go ****ing around or why I don't pray to icons.

I'm not defensive, I just want everyone to think freely:6:

Your are an interesting fellow and a bit of an iconclast from any point of view... :p

I always say to the Muslims that converting Westerners is not a one way street. Western Muslims will bring the Western mindset to Islam, with all the richness and benefits and also the special challenges that may bring. That may sometimes result in distortion, but it may also result sometimes in development.

This is one reason why, despite my many reservations about Islam, I think it's good that Muslims are emigrating to the West and settling here. There is the potential not only that they will change us in some ways for the better but that we will change them.

[NiGhTFaCe]

cuz we're free to discuss various things that relate to our religion and aren't doomed to have ONE opinion on it which is considered conventional, la?

I explained my point of view already. See above:p The same reason why I don't go ****ing around or why I don't pray to icons.

I'm not defensive, I just want everyone to think freely:6:
I was replying to you as you said 3 a b d o o s h wasn't looking for the Islamic point of view. But, he was & that's why the thread was initiated here.

I still don't know why you don't eat it, be straight forward & explain why :D

3 a b d o o s h got the chance to think freely & there he was convinced! :)

[Sporty4life]

mhmm.. I don't see the relation, sorry. Could you be more straight forward.
what i'm saying is that stuff that is forbidden in some people's religion just from the fact that god said it was forbidden, like catholics, they aren't aloud to get divorces, why? because to them their founder of their religion said it was forbidden, so even though there are plenty of reasons that were listed why eating pig is forbidden, there doesn't always have to be a reason...

[wudjab]

We need look no further than noted Islamic Scholar, Dr. Zakir Naik (who is speaking in Muscat this weekend).

Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?

Answer:

The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well known. The following points explain various aspects of this prohibition:


1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an

The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4 different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.

"Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah." [Al-Qur’an 5:3]

The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim as to why pork is forbidden.


2. Pork prohibited in the Bible

The Christian is likely to be convinced by his religious scriptures. The Bible prohibits the consumption of pork, in the book of Leviticus

"And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you".

"Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you."
[Leviticus 11:7-8]

Pork is also prohibited in the Bible in the book of Deuteronomy

"And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass."
[Deuteronomy 14:8]

A similar prohibition is repeated in the Bible in the book of Isaiah chapter 65 verse 2-5.


3. Consumption of pork causes several diseases

The other non-Muslims and atheists will agree only if convinced through reason, logic and science. Eating of pork can cause no less than seventy different types of diseases. A person can have various helminthes like roundworm, pinworm, hookworm, etc. One of the most dangerous is Taenia Solium, which is in lay man’s terminology called tapeworm. It harbours in the intestine and is very long. Its ova i.e. eggs, enter the blood stream and can reach almost all the organs of the body. If it enters the brain it can cause memory loss. If it enters the heart it can cause heart attack, if it enters the eye it can cause blindness, if it enters the liver it can cause liver damage. It can damage almost all the organs of the body.

Another dangerous helminthes is Trichura Tichurasis. A common misconception about pork is that if it is cooked well, these ova die. In a research project undertaken in America, it was found that out of twenty-four people suffering from Trichura Tichurasis, twenty two had cooked the pork very well. This indicates that the ova present in the pork do not die under normal cooking temperature.


4. Pork has fat building material

Pork has very little muscle building material and contains excess of fat. This fat gets deposited in the vessels and can cause hypertension and heart attack. It is not surprising that over 50% of Americans suffer from hypertension.


5. Pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth

The pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth. It lives and thrives on muck, faeces and dirt. It is the best scavenger that I know that God has produced. In the villages they don’t have modern toilets and the villagers excrete in the open air. Very often excreta is cleared by pigs.

Some may argue that in advanced countries like Australia, pigs are bred in very clean and hygienic conditions. Even in these hygienic conditions the pigs are kept together in sties. No matter how hard you try to keep them clean they are filthy by nature. They eat and enjoy their own as well as their neighbour’s excreta.


6. Pig is the most shameless animal

The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth. It is the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. It feels no jealousy. And among people who consume pork, the practice of wife swapping and other forms of promiscuous behaviour is common.


http://www.irf.net/irf/faqonislam/index.htm

I find point # 6 the most convincing.

[STING]

I was just wondering, is there any Islamic reference (Qur'an or Hadeeth) that explains with Pork is Haram?

I personally know it's bad for your health. Just as alcohol and so. Not sure how it influences your behavior. I once read what you eat highly effects your personality and psychological behavior. So how pigs effect your behavior?

About time Muslim scientists look into this!

[Russo_turisto]

I was replying to you as you said 3 a b d o o s h wasn't looking for the Islamic point of view. But, he was & that's why the thread was initiated here.
No he wasn't. His nickname is pretty inconvenient to type, no?:p anyways he was looking for any explanation... he can look up in the Qur'an or in the Hadeeth but that might give him no conviction...

I still don't know why you don't eat it, be straight forward & explain why :D
cuz it's part of my Islamic lifestyle. you shouldn't seek reasons to believe, cuz if you don't believe in anything, no one can force you to, right? No compulsion in faith...

[wudjab]

Sting, For the answer, see the post # 50 above.

[Russo_turisto]

I personally know it's bad for your health. Just as alcohol and so. Not sure how it influences your behavior. I once read what you eat highly effects your personality and psychological behavior. So how pigs effect your behavior?

Hahaha. Voila all kinds of prejudices...:XD: I mean the behavioral thingy.

[NiGhTFaCe]

No he wasn't. His nickname is pretty inconvenient to type, no?:p anyways he was looking for any explanation... he can look up in the Qur'an or in the Hadeeth but that might give him no conviction...

cuz it's part of my Islamic lifestyle. you shouldn't seek reasons to believe, cuz if you don't believe in anything, no one can force you to, right? No compulsion in faith...
Still jumping around?! We know what was his intention when he started this thread, don't make things up!


Answer me, why you don't eat pork, convince me with your reasons?!

[Jeff]

I was just wondering, is there any Islamic reference (Qur'an or Hadeeth) that explains with Pork is Haram?

I personally know it's bad for your health. Just as alcohol and so. Not sure how it influences your behavior. I once read what you eat highly effects your personality and psychological behavior. So how pigs effect your behavior?

About time Muslim scientists look into this!

Bad for your health how? I eat pork and it doesn't seem bad for my health. Not in any way that I can tell.

One can complain about health problems with pork, but not in ways that don't cross over to other meats or ways that can't be answered with disease control. Or at least I haven't seen any evidence of it from neutral sources. I'd be interested in seeing any, though.

Still, you can see I try to craft a sympathetic approach to Muslim law on this question that seeks an understanding rather than condemning. You saw that from me in the post above.

How I wish that more Muslims had tried to at least understand or be a bit sympathetic to the Catholic teaching on contraception in the other thread! :p

But that's up to them, I guess... :yes:

[STING]

Hahaha. Voila all kinds of prejudices...:XD: I mean the behavioral thingy.

I read a scientific article long time back speaking of how our diet impacts our behavior. What prejudice you speak of? I have not read anything scientific about the effects of pork on human behavior. But food in general, yes.

I know you're young, but not that young. So grow up and post like mature members if you want others to treat you like an adult :). Unless, you will be treated how you treat others :XD:

[Russo_turisto]

^^ Nighty, relax. Breathe deep, as brother Tickle says.:p No need for the exclamation marks.

I already explained my position twice. I PERSONALLY don't feel like eating pork. But I wouldn't be telling off ppl who do so, even if they're my fellow Muslims. A person should use their own head and heart first of all... all answers are there.

Any more questions?!:p

[NiGhTFaCe]

^^ Nighty, relax. Breathe deep, as brother Tickle says.:p No need for the exclamation marks.

I already explained my position twice. I PERSONALLY don't feel like eating pork. But I wouldn't be telling off ppl who do so, even if they're my fellow Muslims. A person should use their own head and heart first of all... all answers are there.

Any more questions?!:p
AS I expected, you are still roaming around.

Alright, if you aren't aware this is Islamic Sabla where people come here asking questions because they might have doubts & they will get answers, so for now maybe you shouldn't be telling me the other not to speak of what they believe in.

[Russo_turisto]

lol Sting you didn't get my message even though it was so short... :XD:

[Sporty4life]

wohh, russo turisto is muslim...didn't see that comin:p

[STING]

Bad for your health how? I eat pork and it doesn't seem bad for my health. Not in any way that I can tell.


Jeff, I know someone more than 80 years old and he has been heavily smoking all his life. I wish you good luck with pork eating, but in such issues, although religion describes them as forbidden, I always investigate using logic and science.

In the issue of pork, I have posted in tens of threads on this forum over the years. It is a scientific fact that pork is generally unhealthy and causes serious diseases.

I don't want to post any Islamic/Jewish website. I won't tire my self compiling different sources, you can search this site and you will find many posts.

However, read this article from Washington Times:
Federal researchers say neurocysticercosis, a brain infection caused by a pork tapeworm, is a "growing public health problem in the United States," especially in states bordering Mexico, where the disease is endemic.

Neurocysticercosis is the "most common parasitic disease of the central nervous system," according to a study jointly conducted by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and California public health officials, who reported that "international travel and immigration are bringing the disorder to areas where it is not endemic," such as this country.

Read On.. (http://washingtontimes.com/news/2007/feb/07/20070207-111134-1360r/)

Now if you say if you cook it like this, wash it like that, cleanse using this or baptize it before cooking, then that is just going round and round and wasting time. What is next, perform adultery using condoms? Smoking cigarettes with filters?

These are just a way to protect the business and profit makers.

I can't find the other articles I head read during my research on this matter years back, but in addition to diseases that destroy the body, some researches talked about behavioral and psychological effects of eating certain foods.

[STING]

lol Sting you didn't get my message even though it was so short... :XD:

Yup, I have problem communicating with hyper teenagers :hyper:

[Soulless]

Sorry for changing the topic direction , i think that jews are not allowed to eat pork as well , am not sure though but i'll try to find out ,jeff and marriwana any idea ?

[Jeff]

Jeff, I know someone more than 80 years old and he has been heavily smoking all his life. I wish you good luck with pork eating, but in such issues, although religion describes them as forbidden, I always investigate using logic and science.

In the issue of pork, I have posted in tens of threads on this forum over the years. It is a scientific fact that pork is generally unhealthy and causes serious diseases.

I don't want to post any Islamic/Jewish website. I won't tire my self compiling different sources, you can search this site and you will find many posts.

However, read this article from Washington Times:

Now if you say if you cook it like this, wash it like that, cleanse using this or baptize it before cooking, then that is just going round and round and wasting time. What is next, perform adultery using condoms? Smoking cigarettes with filters?

These are just a way to protect the business and profit makers.

I can't find the other articles I head read during my research on this matter years back, but in addition to diseases that destroy the body, some researches talked about behavioral and psychological effects of eating certain foods.

I hope you don't feel under attack. I think you would admit that it's at least possible that Allah's injunction against pork might not be "health" based but based on something else?

I understand that there are specific diseases connected with pork. There are also specific diseases connected with other meats and with fish.

Just for example:


"Some of the "things" you be infected with from eating uncooked (or partially cooked) meat are:

Bacterial Gastroenteritis (food poisoning)
Bird Flu
Camphylobacter
E-coli
Listeriosis
Mad Cow Disease
Salmonella
Trichinosis
Trichinellosis
Toxoplasmosis
plus various "worms" and other bacteria and diseases.
(Some people think worms are only in the intestines and stomach, but many of them travel through the blood and lymph system and lay their eggs in the muscle tissue.)

Yes, many countries do inspect their animals and processing plants but some of these bacteria are "added" to the meat after the animal is killed through cross-contamination (in the plant, in the store,or even in your home). So you can not expect it to be safe just because it was "inspected".

Eating uncooked or undercooked meat is like playing Russian Roulette you never know when your "number" will come up or how bad it will be."


http://www.helium.com/items/74634-the-dangers-of-eating-undercooked-meat

The question is, whether pork is really unique in some way. Are you more likely to get diseases or suffer health affects from eating pork than from eating other meats?

This disease that you mention is endemic to Mexican border states because they don't cook their pork properly. It's not endemic in non-Latino pork eating populations.

You could make a case that it's better to skip meat altogether and be a vegetarian, for example.

What I am interested in seeing is a non-Muslim or Jewish scientist present me with evidence that pork is UNIQUELY unhealthy compared with other meats.

Please don't misunderstand:

Even though I believe I am allowed to eat pork, as a Christian I am faced with a similar question:

Why did God forbid His People to eat pork in the Old Testament?

From my point of view, we are both seeking understanding of true divine law.

And by the way, I appreciate the comment about the condoms...

[Russo_turisto]

Sorry for changing the topic direction , i think that jews are not allowed to eat pork as well , am not sure though but i'll try to find out ,jeff and marriwana any idea ?

Yeah I can tell you! They are not allowed to do so!

Probably cuz Yahweh and Allah are one and the same God...

:think:

[Jeff]

Sorry for changing the topic direction , i think that jews are not allowed to eat pork as well , am not sure though but i'll try to find out ,jeff and marriwana any idea ?

You are right, as Russo says.

So we can say this:

Muslims believe God commanded all people not to eat pork.

Jews believe God commanded the Jews only not to eat pork.

Christians believe they can eat pork, but that the Jews truly were commanded by God not to eat pork.

So we all have this much in common:

We all believe that God truly commanded His People not to eat pork.

[Russo_turisto]

pork-pork-bork-bork-bork-pork-pork-bork-pork-pork-pork... what a funny word. Jeff you mentioned it so many times. oh well:p

[Blackout]

^LOL at THIS :D

[Jeff]

pork-pork-bork-bork-bork-pork-pork-bork-pork-pork-pork... what a funny word. Jeff you mentioned it so many times. oh well:p

Eat pork with a fork or you look like a dork.

[Soulless]

Jews Believe that Pigs are spiritually unclean , i wonder what other reasons makes them credence that its forbidden , so jeff you think that jews and muslims have common reasons ?

[Shy]

Probably cuz Yahweh and Allah are one and the same God...

:think:
Are they? Don't forget Jehovah, and Elohim, and El Shaddai.

[Jeff]

Are they? Don't forget Jehovah, and Elohim, and El Shaddai.

Amy Grant has a sweet ol' number on the last one! :cute:

[marianna]

pork-pork-bork-bork-bork-pork-pork-bork-pork-pork-pork... what a funny word. Jeff you mentioned it so many times. oh well:p

Sounds like the Sweddish Chef on the infamous Muppet Show. :hyper:

[Shy]

Would be funny if she found out who (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_(god)) she's really singing to.

[MissKindy]

3abdoosh all I can say is ..COME BACK ! :rolleyes:

[Russo_turisto]

Are they? Don't forget Jehovah, and Elohim, and El Shaddai.

Whatever:p


Seven Names of God

In medieval times, God was sometimes called The Seven.[/URL] Among the ancient Hebrews, the seven names for the Deity over which the scribes had to exercise particular care were:[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabaoth#cite_note-10"] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabaoth#cite_note-9)


Eloah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eloah)
Elohim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim)
Adonai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adonai)
Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Judaism#Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh)
YHWH (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YHWH) (i.e. Yahweh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh))
Shaddai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaddai)
Zebaot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Judaism#YHWH_Tzevaot.2FSabaoth)



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabaoth#YHWH_Tzevaot.2FSabaoth

[minerva]

i think in the old testament they were forbidden to eat pork due to hygiene reasons. the pork i cook and eat is definitely reared, slaughtered and cooked with no risks.

[Rossonero]

Have you ever wondered what British people look like? Many of them look like pigs .. because of the amounts of pork they consume.

(That's my theory) :p

Proof:

http://soccerlens.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/rooney.jpg

http://www.javno.com/slike/slike_3/r1/g2008/m11/y186783506146998.jpg

http://lennthompson.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/pork.jpg

[Shy]

^No one eats more pigs than your precious italians.

[wudjab]

What an incredibly offensive and racist comment that was from Ross.

Unbelievable.

[Blackout]

^Ditto

That 'theory' = Rude

[El Rey]

Haven't we discussed this so many times?!

[Jihad4Truth]

Have you ever wondered what British people look like? Many of them look like pigs .. because of the amounts of pork they consume.

(That's my theory) :p


lol.....yeah you know some people do have a piggy look to them. Then there are the horse people, the bird people, and the rat faced people.

[STING]

I hope you don't feel under attack. I think you would admit that it's at least possible that Allah's injunction against pork might not be "health" based but based on something else?


I enjoy it when under attack, I become a cornered tiger ;). But never from you, you're like a peaceful gazelle :p

Yes I admit it is not about science or it being bad for your health only. But I have come to realize by understanding and researching many things forbidden by different religions that they are also proven to be bad for you as an individual, for your family and even for society in general. Adultery and Alcohol are examples here.

I personally find it a trivial subject. Why should I bother myself with a filthy mammal when I can have seafood :love:

Some people say why don't you eat pork? I say exactly for the same reason I don't smoke or drink. I ask why should I? I also wear my seat belts when driving. Why not question that?

These reasons are enough for me. My father, friends, bosses and colleagues all smoke, but I don't. Why? Cause it makes no sense to me I suck on chemicals just cause I feel stressed and in return destroy my health and above all shrink my penis :p

[Markov]

You are right, as Russo says.

So we can say this:

Muslims believe God commanded all people not to eat pork.

Jews believe God commanded the Jews only not to eat pork.

Christians believe they can eat pork, but that the Jews truly were commanded by God not to eat pork.

So we all have this much in common:

We all believe that God truly commanded His People not to eat pork.

If its the same God, why would he command people differently?

[Shy]

I personally find it a trivial subject. Why should I bother myself with a filthy mammal when I can have seafood :love:

God hates seafood http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/

[Blackout]

God hates seafood http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/

Never







.

[Markov]

We need look no further than noted Islamic Scholar, Dr. Zakir Naik (who is speaking in Muscat this weekend).

Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?

6. Pig is the most shameless animal

The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth. It is the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. In America, most people consume pork. Many times after dance parties, they have swapping of wives; i.e. many say "you sleep with my wife and I will sleep with your wife." If you eat pigs then you behave like pigs. We Indians look upon America to be very advanced and sophisticated. Whatever they do, we follow after a few years. According to an article in Island magazine, this practice of swapping wives has become common in the affluent circles of Bombay.


http://www.irf.net/irf/faqonislam/index.htm

I find point # 6 the most convincing.

Some members who will attend his lecture this evening. Can you pls ask Dr Zakir to give scientific evidence over this claim?

[STING]

God hates seafood http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/

God hates no creature. He is the most merciful and most compassionate. He even forgives all sins.

Prophet says a Prostitute once saw a thirsty dog, she got it some water from the well using her shoe. She went to heaven :)

[Blackout]

^This





.

[Russo_turisto]

Have you ever wondered what British people look like? Many of them look like pigs .. because of the amounts of pork they consume.

(That's my theory) :p

Proof:

http://soccerlens.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/rooney.jpg

http://www.javno.com/slike/slike_3/r1/g2008/m11/y186783506146998.jpg

http://lennthompson.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/pork.jpg

loooooooooolllllzzz I sincerely hope you were kiddin, Ross!:XD::XD:

that was just hilarious...:XD: The English eat pigs, that's why they look like pigs...haaahahah!

What about Germans, Frenchmen, Spaniards, Dutchmen, Greeks, Swedes, Poles, Russians..?:D they ALL eat pork...

[marianna]

What a cute pig. Makes me want to kiss and cuddle him awwwwwwww

[Shy]

God hates no creature. He is the most merciful and most compassionate. He even forgives all sins.

Prophet says a Prostitute once saw a thirsty dog, she got it some water from the well using her shoe. She went to heaven :)

Alright alright I'll rephrase-

Yahweh says shrimp is an abomination.

[minerva]

Have you ever wondered what British people look like? Many of them look like pigs .. because of the amounts of pork they consume.

(That's my theory) :p

Proof:

http://soccerlens.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/rooney.jpg

http://www.javno.com/slike/slike_3/r1/g2008/m11/y186783506146998.jpg

http://lennthompson.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/pork.jpg
since i married an english man and my kids are half english, and i have english blood in my veins, i can tell you that none of them look like pigs, i dont' look like a pig. in fact i and my family look better than you. but i don't go comparing you to animals cos that would insult a variety of creatures who wouldn't want to be associated with lesser creatures....anyway.

next.....

these are english as well.

http://images.askmen.com/galleries/model/kelly-brook/pictures/kelly-brook-picture-6.jpg

kelly brook.

http://thebosh.com/upload/2008/05/25/daisy_lowe_cant_get_will_cameron_out_of_her_mind/Daisy-Lowe.jpg

daisy lowe.

http://www.topnews.in/files/images/Agyness-Deyn6.jpg

agyness

hmmmm...want some boys to compare yourself with, mr.brad pitt of oman? :mmhmm::mmhmm::mmhmm:

http://trcs.wikispaces.com/file/view/James-Bond.jpg

limey pierce

http://johnozed.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/daniel_craig_300x400.jpg

look at that fit body....danny craig.

i'll post some more, have to see to my english hunk and his offspring for now.

[Fatiko]

ROFL .. Its just funny how you guys turn each and simple thread to a personal one and attack other members.

Some posts in here make a person sick, literally.

I never thought that some member's mentality will be like this.
I really thought they're way much better than this :).

[Russo_turisto]

^^ same here fante. so did I:D

[Fatiko]

^^ same here fante. so did I:D
Good for you, mate.. Really good :D.

[STING]

Alright alright I'll rephrase-

Yahweh says shrimp is an abomination.

I respect Yahweh's opinion and his word to reach that conclusion, but as I Muslims, I am taught to question things until I understand. He might be right or wrong, I personally don't agree with him.

"No Compulsion in Religion"

:)

[minerva]

ROFL .. Its just funny how you guys turn each and simple thread to a personal one and attack other members.

Some posts in here make a person sick, literally.

I never thought that some member's mentality will be like this.
I really thought they're way much better than this :).
are you talking about me calling rossy 'mr. brad pitt of oman' or are you talking about rossy saying brits look like pigs? all done in jest, of course.

[Fatiko]

are you talking about me calling rossy 'mr. brad pitt of oman' or are you talking about rossy saying brits look like pigs? all done in jest, of course.
Haha .. I knew u'll be the one to quote me.. But anyhow, did I by any chance or even by a hint referred to you or your post ?!

It just saddens me to see two members arguing their asses off about something which is an off-topic, and as a an addition to it, not gonna come out of it with something positive.

But to answer you; na'ah.. I wasn't even talking about you, minerva.
Your thoughts are limited for you only.. ;)

[minerva]

ok, i just wanted to clear it out. when you talk about 'some members' it's easier to point fingers than to be vague. takes some balls to do it, but it's way easier for others to understand.

[Fatiko]

ok, i just wanted to clear it out. when you talk about 'some members' it's easier to point fingers than to be vague. takes some balls to do it, but it's way easier for others to understand.
Just remember that u're not the only member in here and not every post should be directed to you ;) .. IF its about having some balls, don't worry they're there. Its just my way of delivering a message.. Every member in here knows that a particular message/hint is meant to be for him/her.. ;)

[minerva]

no need to wink at me, wink at the person you were talking about. go on.....

[Fatiko]

Hahahaha.. Whatever floats your boat, minerva.
It's actually my mistake that I wanted to clear it out for you. I should've never gave a damn.

Anyways, have it your way.

[minerva]

Hahahaha.. Whatever floats your boat, minerva.
It's actually my mistake that I wanted to clear it out for you. I should've never give a damn.

Anyways, have it your way.
my way is the right way, and i always have it.

[Blackout]

hmmmm...want some boys to compare yourself with, mr.brad pitt of oman? :mmhmm::mmhmm::mmhmm:

http://trcs.wikispaces.com/file/view/James-Bond.jpg

limey pierce

http://johnozed.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/daniel_craig_300x400.jpg

look at that fit body....danny craig.



LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
I DieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeD

ilu for THIS :hyper: :color: :XD: :hbd: :yes: :p :D :6: :yell:

[Black Lolly]

Umm, maybe cause pigs eat sh!t?

[Russo_turisto]

^^ did you ever see one doing it actually?:mmhmm:

[marianna]

If people knew what cows ate they would stop eating them also.

[Black Lolly]

Nope..! I don't care that much about it though.. it doesn't taste good to me..

[Russo_turisto]

^^ a reason fair enough.:yes:

[STING]

^^ did you ever see one doing it actually?:mmhmm:

Farting Pig

Is this enough, please believe her now :hyper:

[minerva]

i agree for muslims not eating pork, if their belief says so, there is no reason for them to do so. no reason, in my opinion, to ask why either. that's what faith is all about (for me) , bowing your head to God's will, no need to ask why.

[STING]

BTW, on a serious note, I don't think Pigs are forbidden simply because they are "filthy". If they are so bad, why god created them? They have their functionalities and we should be compassionate towards pigs like all living things.

Nowadays many "religious" people even in Oman kill wild dogs inhumanely because they misunderstand the religion and simply say they are "not clean".

All this is ignorance in my view.

[marianna]

^^AMEN TO THAT STING :yes:

[Sporty4life]

Nowadays many "religious" people even in Oman kill wild dogs inhumanely because they misunderstand the religion and simply say they are "not clean".
dude, they're dangerous, man they kill our goats and attack villages and stuff, but i never really heard of an imam going out with an AK killing wild dogs:p

[Russo_turisto]

^^ lol perhaps you're confusing dogs (killing goats???:os:os) with wolves:p are there wolves in Oman?:p

[marianna]

For me, humans are more dangerous than animals because we are capable of higher thought and have a conscience....and we have done the most damage to ourselves and to this planet.

[IceTea]

Let us look at it from different direction:

Jews don't eat pork
Christians eat pork
Muslims don't eat pork.

Christians in the middle, by logic that means they are wrong.

Since this is God law then it doesn't make sense that God will forbade it for Jews then allow it for people at Jesus PBUH time then finally forbade it again at Prophet Mohammed PBUH time.

[Russo_turisto]

Let us look at it from different direction:

Jews don't eat pork
Christians eat pork
Muslims don't eat pork.

Christians in the middle, by logic that means they are wrong.

Since this is God law then it doesn't make sense that God will forbade it for Jews then allow it for people at Jesus PBUH time then finally forbade it again at Prophet Mohammed PBUH time.

:hyper: here come the big guns...

[IceTea]

LOL, what guns?

[Soulless]

^ thanks or rising up my point Tea Dude.

i just wanted to discuss this with the fellow Christians =)

[Russo_turisto]

^^Tea it's you, silly. the heavy Islamic artillery.:hyper:

[wudjab]

Speaking of eating sh!t, you all eat an average of 2 pounds of rat poo / insects every year.

[wudjab]

Let us look at it from different direction:

Jews don't eat pork
Christians eat pork
Muslims don't eat pork.

Christians in the middle, by logic that means they are wrong.

Since this is God law then it doesn't make sense that God will forbade it for Jews then allow it for people at Jesus PBUH time then finally forbade it again at Prophet Mohammed PBUH time.

Or maybe the Muslims got it wrong after the Christians fixed it.

:hyper:

[Black Lolly]

Speaking of eating sh!t, you all eat an average of 2 pounds of rat poo / insects every year.

Alright we did NOT need to know that..
Hm , I dunno why we'rent supposed to eat pork but there's a reason I guess, god wouldn't just tell us not to just like that! Or maybe he would.. :os Um, I dunno god..

[marianna]

W. I heard that somewhere also...I was like :yuk: ay mami!

[wudjab]

The FDA allows an average of 9 mg or more rodent excreta pellets and/or pellet fragments per kilogram.

Ground Cinnamon : Average of 400 or more insect fragments per 50 gram / Average of 11 or more rodent hairs per 50 grams

CONDIMENTAL SEEDS OTHER THAN FENNEL SEEDS AND SESAME SEEDS-V32) Average of 3 mg or more of mammalian excreta per pound.

What was that about pigs eating sh!t ?

[Black Lolly]

Well ever since I was a kid and people been telling me that pigs eat shit that's why they're disgusting and I believed that ever since.. So I refuse to change my mind about it just because you gave me FACTS!.. Whatever lol.. Well, at least they LOOK disgusting..

[Russo_turisto]

^^ hahahai black lolly at least you're being sincere.. you refuse to believe facts cuz you've been raised that way.. thank you it explains allot.:yes:

and no they look pretty:p

[marianna]

From PETA:


4-Pigs Prefer Mud, Not Crud
Pigs are actually very clean animals. If they are given sufficient space, pigs are careful not to soil the areas where they sleep or eat. And forget the silly saying “sweating like a pig”—pigs can’t even sweat! That’s why they bathe in water or mud to cool off. But in factory farms, they’re forced to live in their own feces and vomit and even amid the corpses of other pigs. Conditions are so filthy that at any given time, more than one-quarter of pigs suffer from mange—think of your worst case of poison ivy, and imagine having to suffer from it for the rest of your life. Learn more about what happens to pigs in factory farms. Check out the mange-ridden pigs on these South Dakota and Nebraska pig farms.

http://peta.tribe.net/thread/d22f23aa-a8a6-4652-a123-afddf9c591ca

[Jihad4Truth]

Warning: Deep question alert.

Is a creature that ingests shit into their bodies going to be any more tainted, than the creature who excretes shit out of their bodies?

[Amjad]

Even if pork was harmless and pigs were the cleanest animals on earth and God asked us in the Qur'an not to eat anything that comes from pigs, I wouldn't eat anything that comes from pigs, as long as I believe in the Qur'an.

All monotheistic religions believe that Adam and Eve were brought to earth because they didn't follow God's order and ate from the apple tree, even though apple is harmless. It was just the order of God, and if you believe in God, you would follow his orders without questioning them. So, I think Muslims should follow God's order for not eating anything that comes from pigs, without questioning that order, as long as they believe in the Qur'an. Maybe it's a test from God, just like the test Adam & Eve were put on?

You might want scientific reasons for some issues mentioned in the Qur'an. But I believe in God, and I believe in the Qur'an, so I will follow whatever is in the Qur'an without questioning it. In the Qur'an, God asked me to stay away from certain things, and I will stay away from them without questioning why should I stay away from them. That's what I believe in.

[Storm]

This thread is locked until it gets clean of the off topics posts :bored: