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Fact HearT
19-02-09, 12:14 AM
Replced the prophet hous with toilets....:(:(
This guy isn't shai'ai or abadhi,....etc
He is saoudi and from Mecca..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvELx...ext=1&index=20
Your link isn't showing anything !
Unless am looking to a wrong one !
Big Deal
19-02-09, 08:36 AM
"The URL contained a malformed video ID."
Fact HearT
19-02-09, 10:59 AM
check it again
http://www.farrq.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2730
Although what the man is saying can't 100% be true, I get the feeling this is just a continuous fight between some sects.
The comments under the video are all dull and expected, as it is YouTube.
Could you please translate what is said in the video for some?
I get the feeling this is just a continuous fight between some sects.
?
Exactly and we don't need this.
not true ! as buthy said it's just continuous fight between some sects ! if u read the comment on the link u gave nd the comments on youtube they all are in this purpose ! separation ! but allah ye3lam (god knwz)
may god keep us all brothers nd sisters :D no matter how hard people try to separate between us :D
Fact HearT
19-02-09, 08:27 PM
Although what the man is saying can't 100% be true, I get the feeling this is just a continuous fight between some sects.
The comments under the video are all dull and expected, as it is YouTube.
Could you please translate what is said in the video for some?
Which sect?
He's Saudie, SAME sect i don't think it's a fight.
He's Archaeologist.
I have heard of this before. The Wahhabis tend to be very extreme...when they first took over Medina, they even wanted to destroy the tomb of the Prophet Mohammed!
The conservative wing of the Wahhabis think it's bid'a to worry about or preserve any religious "mementos", that it tends to destroy the purity of monotheism. And so many of the historical and religious monuments of old Mecca have been destroyed.
Here's a thread I did a long time ago on this subject:
http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45559
Fact HearT
19-02-09, 08:50 PM
not true !
:D
prove....!
And here is a bit from a Muslim writer on the legacy of the Wahhabis in the early days of their first conquests:
In 1801, the Saudis-Wahabbis waged a campaign against the Muslim "polytheists" and "heretics". The outcomes of the campaign "shocked the entire Muslim world" by brutally destroying and defacing the sacred tomb of the martyr Hussein Bin Ali (Prophet Mohammad's grandson) in Karbala, Iraq, a particularly holy shrine to Shia Muslims. It was during this raid that the Saudis-Wahabbis mercilessly slaughtered over 4,000 people in Karbala and stole anything that was not nailed down. It took over 4,000 camels to carry the huge loot.
Later, in 1810 during a pillaging campaign that swept the Arabian Peninsula the Saudis-Wahabbis attacked and desecrated Prophet Mohammad's Mosque, opened his grave, and sold and distributed its valuable relics and expensive jewels. The Wahabbis had intended to raze the green dome of the Prophet's Mosque in pursuit of the golden globes and crescents surmounting it in those days. Yet, as Sir Richard Burton notes in his Pilgrimage to Al-Madinah and Meccah, an accident prevented any further desecration of the building Two of their number [Wahabbis], it is said, were killed by falling from the slippery roof, and the rest, struck by superstitious fears, abandoned the work of destruction. The siege of the Prophet's Mosque did however injure the prosperity of the place [Madinah] by taxing the inhabitants, by interrupting the annual remittances, and by forbidding visitors to approach the tomb.
http://www.muslimwakeup.com/main/archives/2004/02/002148print.php
Which sect?
He's Saudie, SAME sect i don't think it's a fight.
He's Archaeologist.
The one who posted the video and the thread on that forum and the host of the show, all against the man who's talking.
The conservative wing of the Wahhabis think it's bid'a to worry about or preserve any religious "mementos", that it tends to destroy the purity of monotheism. And so many of the historical and religious monuments of old Mecca have been destroyed.
This seems hard to understand and illogical. How could the government accept that?
Fact HearT
20-02-09, 12:02 AM
Anyhow i'm talking about the replacement no matter who are with or agnist...:)
Anyhow i'm talking about the replacement no matter who are with or agnist...:)
Okay, I didn't udnerstand what the man said.. But from what the thread in that forum said, it seemed like he wanted to replace Mohammad :PBUH: house with toilets, and are they planning it or hoping for it?Why on earth do they think the government will accept it?
minerva
20-02-09, 01:39 AM
if such thing were to happen, even I, a christian would find it sacrilegous.
Fact HearT
20-02-09, 01:42 AM
it done.....
government follow Ulama for anything releated to riligion.
And it's weird, if they believe historical things should not be reserved, that's fine with me, but why do they want to replace it with TOILETS?!If it's true, somehow I'm offended.
it done.....
government follow Ulama for anything releated to riligion.
You mean it's replaced?
minerva
20-02-09, 01:46 AM
And it's weird, if they believe historical things should not be reserved, that's fine with me, but why do they want to replace it with TOILETS?!If it's true, somehoe I'm offended.
well it's not only historical. if the prophet lived there, it's more valuable from a religious point of view. if they want to build something, build a prayer house not a frikken toilet!!!!!
Fact HearT
20-02-09, 01:49 AM
well, they said they expansion reasons.... :(
well, they said they expansion reasons.... :(
Don't you think if this story is real there would chaos?!How come it's quiet and no one's discussing it?
well it's not only historical. if the prophet lived there, it's more valuable from a religious point of view. if they want to build something, build a prayer house not a frikken toilet!!!!!
You're right it is valuable.
minerva
20-02-09, 01:58 AM
the thought of someone having a p!$$ where a holy person, whatever religion, has lived is abominable.
Fact HearT
20-02-09, 02:13 AM
Don't you think if this story is real there would chaos?!How come it's quiet and no one's discussing it?
Did you hear about it before?
I don't know if the scholars knew about or not.
If they do they may were quite to not increase the nation's wounds and start fight each sect to other, or may they don't.
Did you hear about it before?
I don't know if the scholars knew about or not.
If they do they may were quite to not increase the nation's wounds and start fight each sect to other, or may they don't.
It's the first time I hear of this and it's still hard to believe.
If it's a safety reason, them keeping quiet..
Then what about the news channels?!This should have made a lot of noise.
Fact HearT
20-02-09, 02:48 AM
How come it's quiet and no one's discussing it?
It's the first time I hear of this and it's still hard to believe.
you are answering your self.
If it's a safety reason, them keeping quiet..
yup, i think and it's good to be quite.......enough fighting we need to unit.
Then what about the news channels?!This should have made a lot of noise.
I think they were been controled by the scholars them silves to avoide the problems or they may don't know or the image isn't clear....or this guy refused interview other channels or he got orders from the schloars ot government.....many reasons don't know.
you are answering your self.
yup, i think and it's good to be quite.......enough fighting we need to unit.
I think they were been controled by the scholars them silves to avoide the problems or they may don't know or the image isn't clear....or this guy refused interview other channels or he got orders from the schloars ot government.....many reasons don't know.
Not really answering myself, it's not very casual to read such big news in a forum.
How can we unite is they are/have doing/done that.
Fact HearT
20-02-09, 03:20 AM
Not really answering myself, it's not very casual to read such big news in a forum.
How can we unite is they are/have doing/done that.
It done......under their reponsbilities.
If the other scholars will discuss it I assure you they will wast their time.
beacuse they know what in the Saoudi's scholars mineds it will done whether right or wrong.
none can stop them, so it's better being quite.
FAITH86
20-02-09, 02:16 PM
The reason behind this is the same reason why the prophet's garden is being hidden now. I have no comment on that. :)
Is this true? If so, then this is completely disgracefu. How could anyone build TOILETS over such a holy place?
If anyone thinks it's a bid'a then they have absolutely no right to force their views on everyone else.
Al-Saud owns it ALL ... Mecca/everything ... Al-Saud owns it ALL!
And yes they make the rules too!
well it's not only historical. if the prophet lived there, it's more valuable from a religious point of view. if they want to build something, build a prayer house not a frikken toilet!!!!!
But hey, kill those who draw a character and call it the prophet, or name a teddy bear Mohammed. :rolleyes:
minerva
20-02-09, 11:34 PM
But hey, kill those who draw a character and call it the prophet, or name a teddy bear Mohammed. :rolleyes:
ironic isn't it.....i think the toilet thing is shocking.
ironic isn't it.....i think the toilet thing is shocking.
Not just ironic but it's like.. in the course of being very very very holy, they did something extremely unholy and didn't even bat an eyelid. Like years from now, when there is a break in the Religion Frenzy cloud and a ray of light shines in, someone will wake up and say.. "Shit. Did we just put TOILETS on the prophet's house?" ..
But hey, kill those who draw a character and call it the prophet, or name a teddy bear Mohammed. :rolleyes:
ironic isn't it.....i think the toilet thing is shocking.
Al-Saud owns it ALL ... Mecca/everything ... Al-Saud owns it ALL!
And yes they make the rules too!
Not just ironic but it's like.. in the course of being very very very holy, they did something extremely unholy and didn't even bat an eyelid. Like years from now, when there is a break in the Religion Frenzy cloud and a ray of light shines in, someone will wake up and say.. "Shit. Did we just put TOILETS on the prophet's house?" ..
THis is really silly. Now you are comparing a deliberately deforming and insulting the prophet :PBUH: reputation with a suspecious guy talking about replacing his house with toilets. I think you are smarter than that.
I may agree that wahabis are different from other sects and I disagree with many of their Islamic views but I doubt they will ever do such a thing. They don't just come and do it just like that. When there is no official true proof we can't accuse others of doing so. We should measure our judgements.
Do you know what's silly? Silly is how you measure what exactly is offensive, in bad taste and down right sacrilegious.
A Mohammed teddy bear almost cost a woman's life. Building toilets.. where people shit and piss, over where the prophet slept, prayed and as you believe, the angels revealed God's word to him.. is.. questionable at most.
Excuse the pun and pardon me for being so unpolitically correct but.. you're just so full of shit.
Oh. And that's an english saying btw.
Do you know what's silly? Silly is how you measure what exactly is offensive, in bad taste and down right sacrilegious.
A Mohammed teddy bear almost cost a woman's life. Building toilets.. where people shit and piss, over where the prophet slept, prayed and as you believe, the angels revealed God's word to him.. is.. questionable at most.
Excuse the pun and pardon me for being so unpolitically correct but.. you're just so full of shit.
Oh. And that's an english saying btw.
You know what that reminds of, how people are not offended by others who are from them, yet from outsiders.
I'd be doomed if I called a black person ******, still they are okay if someone from them did that.
But still these news are not confirmed, I really don't think it would go easily without a fuss, if this was real, the Islamic world will not stay quiet not just GCC countries or the Middle East, but from all around the world.
''Boycott!''
Do you know what's silly? Silly is how you measure what exactly is offensive, in bad taste and down right sacrilegious.
A Mohammed teddy bear almost cost a woman's life. Building toilets.. where people shit and piss, over where the prophet slept, prayed and as you believe, the angels revealed God's word to him.. is.. questionable at most.
Excuse the pun and pardon me for being so unpolitically correct but.. you're just so full of shit.
Oh. And that's an english saying btw.
So you're sure now that the house is turned into toilets? Do you always accuse others without any solid proof? If someone told me that Malta is full of prostitutes would you like me to just believe it and think of it as I am told or search for the truth then I talk ?
Second, there is a difference between deliberate insult and non deliberate one.
Tu vraiment parles des conneries, and this is a french saying means the same as your english saying btw xD
minerva
21-02-09, 09:42 PM
okay...is this article true or false?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/shame-of-the-house-of-saud-shadows-over-mecca-474736.html
non deliberate insult el rey? i don't even think these people see it as an insult. Goodness, over here if a saint has WALKED OVER a piece of land and preached there, a chapel is built. now call a spade a spade. what's wrong is wrong and you should show your indignation.
minerva
21-02-09, 09:46 PM
this too?
http://www.jafariyanews.com/2k5_news/sep/5prophethome_destruction.htm
and for the record, if some rich christian wants to drop a church to build a nightclub, i'd be clawing his eyes out. (that's an expression)
Al-Saud owns it ALL ... Mecca/everything ... Al-Saud owns it ALL!
And yes they make the rules too!
Writing in response to the article, Prince Turki al-Faisal said that Saudi Arabia was spending more than $19bn (£11bn) preserving and maintaining these two holy sites. "[We are aware] how important the preservation of this heritage is, not just to us but to the millions of Muslims from around the world who visit the two holy mosques every year. It is hardly something we are going to allow to be destroyed."
They would hardly destroy it.
You know what that reminds of, how people are not offended by others who are from them, yet from outsiders.
I'd be doomed if I called a black person ******, still they are okay if someone from them did that.
But still these news are not confirmed, I really don't think it would go easily without a fuss, if this was real, the Islamic world will not stay quiet not just GCC countries or the Middle East, but from all around the world.
''Boycott!''
Well buthy, it's real. El Rey is so not bothered, that he can't be arsed to look it up.
A quick google search for public, toilets, house and prophet gives me this at the top of that list.
A write-up about the house of Khadija.
http://www.islamicamagazine.com/Issue-15/The-House-of-Sayyida-Khadija.html
"And to add insult to injury, the Wahhabi authorities then went on to build public toilets above the site"..
Try a little google search yourself for some hands-on fun.
It only takes someone to be interested, but alas, like two faced morons, we're only foaming at the mouth when someone outside the "Can do no wrong Club" steps on our toes.. isn't that right El rey? :)
To build toilets on the site where Mohammed received his first revelations...
listen to the crickets...
They would hardly destroy it.
They wouldn't eh..
Do you know they bulldozed and then poured gasoline on the prophet's mother's grave?
Isn't it wrong to do that to a grave? I mean.. just ANY grave.
These people are paranoid and insane. Stands to reason of course.
More on the desecration of holy sites in Medinah and Makkah by the wahhabis..
http://www.sunnah.org/arabic/mawldhouse/past_desecrations.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_sites_associated_with_early_Islam
http://www.islamicate.com/islamicate/2004/08/the_wahhabi_mov.html
minerva
21-02-09, 10:26 PM
So you're sure now that the house is turned into toilets? Do you always accuse others without any solid proof? If someone told me that Malta is full of prostitutes would you like me to just believe it and think of it as I am told or search for the truth then I talk ?
Second, there is a difference between deliberate insult and non deliberate one.
Tu vraiment parles des conneries, and this is a french saying means the same as your english saying btw xD
the whole world except your tiny one is full of prostitutes el rey. :rolleyes:
They would hardly destroy it.The point is ... AL-SAUD owns it ALL ... not muslims ... not Islam.
Do i think they would destroy mecca ... NO!
marianna
22-02-09, 12:58 AM
I am not Muslim but even **I*** was offended to read about replacing with toliets. WTH?
marianna
22-02-09, 01:00 AM
They wouldn't eh..
Do you know they bulldozed and then poured gasoline on the prophet's mother's grave?
Isn't it wrong to do that to a grave? I mean.. just ANY grave.
These people are paranoid and insane. Stands to reason of course.
What the hell is wrong with those people? Fanatics? WHAT???? This is simply paranoid delusion....very very disturbing. :inno:
minerva
22-02-09, 01:12 AM
What the hell is wrong with those people? Fanatics? WHAT???? This is simply paranoid delusion....very very disturbing. :inno:
what's more disturbing is that people who are supposed to be educated are defending them or denying the fact.
even for me as a christian, a holy place of whatever religion has its value. i would have loved to visit the prophet's house, see how he lived, the rooms where he prayed. just for cultural reason, a reason to understand other cultures better.
marianna
22-02-09, 01:19 AM
What gets me Mini and should make every Muslim on this planet ANGRY is not only do they want to get rid of his tomb but to replace it where people empty their excrements....for myself I cannot wrap my head around it. Would be like putting toliets (God FORBID) where Jesus was born and where he was crucified. It boggles the mind. I find this even more offensive than those Danish drawings. Where are the protests over this? If Muslims can rise up over a silly cartoon what about this??????????????????????
Congratulations to the sleuths who have pretty conclusively shown that this story is--unfortunately: True.
Anyone who checks my historical and theological links can see why--the traditional Wahhabi doctrine that any kind of honor given to houses or historical sites is shirk.
The kind of people who in the 1800s tried to destroy Mohammed's tomb and destroyed countless historical sites associated with Mohammed and his companions are going to be at pains to show that they any kind of dishonor will do to show that they are not going to commit that heinous sin.
They are at work today, as countless news stories show, busily smashing up Muslim holy places in Bosnia, for example and rooting up graveyards.
But I do agree with El Rey that however heinous these acts are they are not the equivalent of insulting the Prophet IN THE MINDS AND INTENTIONS OF THOSE WHO COMMIT THEM. They MEAN no disrespect to Mohammed by placing a toilet where his house was. The MEAN to respect him by making clear to scrupulously obey the God he preached and taught about....
But this would be in my mind an excellent reason for depriving such people of the responsibility of governing the holiest sites of Islam. Mohammed Ali Pasha's son of Egypt took great delight in chasing them out of Mecca and Medina and driving them into exile.
When the Saudis conquered Mecca in 1802, the Ottoman sultan Mahmud II ordered Muhammad Ali to re-conquer Mecca and restore the honour of the Ottoman Empire. After a sequence of successful battles the Ottoman forces conquered Nejd in January 1815.
Muhammad Ali was distracted, however, by unrest at home. In 1815 the Saudi successor, Abdullah I, negotiated a peace, and the Ottomans withdrew from Nejd. The following year, however, Ibrahim Pasha, one of Muhammad Ali's sons, took command of the Ottoman forces. Gaining the support of the volatile Arabian tribes by skillful diplomacy and lavish gifts, he advanced into central Arabia to occupy the towns of Unaizah and Buraidah. Joined now by most of the principal tribes, he appeared before the Saudi capital Diriyah in April 1818. After six months of intermittent and desperate fighting, Abdullah surrendered September 9, 1818, and was sent to Constantinople, where he was executed. Diriyah was razed to the ground, and Egyptian garrisons were posted in the principal towns. Several members of the Saudi family managed to escape before the surrender; the rest were sent to prison in Egypt and Constantinople.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman-Saudi_war
Is this true? If so, then this is completely disgracefu. How could anyone build TOILETS over such a holy place?
If anyone thinks it's a bid'a then they have absolutely no right to force their views on everyone else.
But they are convinced that this is not "their opinion" but simply: Islam. All who disagree with it have to be disregarded because to choose between Allah and those who disagree with Allah is unnecessary.
This is the fanatical mindset at work and one can see it in the Taliban as well.
minerva
22-02-09, 05:51 AM
no, they don' t mean any disrespect. they are just bloody savages. sorry but it's true.
marianna
22-02-09, 06:26 AM
Anyone with a small inkling of common sense should know what is going on here is simply wrong. Who in their right minds would do this? Even if this sect doesn't like to see Mohammad's burial place seen as a place of worship why in the world have toliets there? WHY?
Anyone with a small inkling of common sense should know what is going on here is simply wrong. Who in their right minds would do this? Even if this sect doesn't like to see Mohammad's burial place seen as a place of worship why in the world have toliets there? WHY?
Not his burial place. That's in Medina. They've made an exception for that for a variety of reasons.
No one should honor a man or things associated with a man. That's the idea.
So any honor shown even to Mohammed or to any things or places associated with him is stealing something that belongs only to Allah. That's the idea.
"Shrines" to which people go on "pilgrimage" are relics of paganism, is the notion behind treating any place which Muslims would be tempted to venerate because of any person, no matter how great as a danger.
Such places and objects must be treated EXACTLY as one would treat any other place or object.
Here is a fascinating article on the whole subject of destruction of holy places in Saudi Arabia in the famous Islamica Magazine, "The Destruction of Holy Site in Mecca and Medina. It gives the whole history starting with 1802 and going up to the present day:
http://www.islamicamagazine.com/Issue-15/The-Destruction-of-Holy-Sites-in-Mecca-and-Medina.html
But with that, I think I'll bow out and leave it to the Muslims. I'm sure this whole issue is very painful and distressing for them and it's really about their holy things, not mine.
May God bless them all.
Till now I did not see any solid proof says they replaced or intend to replace our pophet :PBUH: house with toilets. You guys are just talking and drifting away from the subject. I agree Saudis differ in some Islamic teachings than us but we shoudln't forget that those people worked very hard and paid milliars of dollars to enhance and enlarge the prophet mosque PBUH and Ka'ba. We as muslims should be thankful to them and this for sure proves their love to Islam and its last prophet. We can't just come and cast fragile accusations on them because we read this in a blog or we heard that guy says. I believe this is only to spread hatred among muslims, that's all.
Fact HearT
22-02-09, 08:44 AM
El Rey, it doesn't matter you believe it or not.
As for me I don't think that guy he lied, because he's from Mecca and he isn't Shi'ee or Abhady, which are Kuffar as Whabiyah conceder them.
He's pure Saudi and he's Archaeologist.
So if an Ibadhi talked bad about Ibadhis does this mean he's right ?
siah786
22-02-09, 08:58 AM
Dear Mr. Jeff,
Islam's base is tauhid, worshipping ONE GOD ie ALLAH swt alone.. the biggest sin you can do in islam is SHIRK, ie associating partners with ALLAH swt..
Now shirk doesnt just mean there is another GOD its more vast.. You accept that there is ALLAH swt, you worship him alone and you do not give the characteristics of ALLAH swt described in the quran and sunnah to anyone else....
Now you've been using this word "honor", all over the forum to describe the act done by the saudis as big big big crime...
Well, firstly am not sure wether they have done it and if they have then have a reason for it..ISLAM is growing alhamdulillah, The fastest growing religion in US is islam my friend....Now there are is huge number of muslims who are not very knowledgeable and they go for "HAJJ" visit the prophet house, grave and kiss and bow down and rub their self's against the wall wash some place with water and then drink that water..etc ..etc.. They consider this as a worship and with an intention of obtaining blessings...which goes against the base of islam ie "TAUHID"...
Now, if you consider honouring prophet saw.. then there are numerous ahadeeth which state clearly that do not build a tomb over my grave when am dead like others who build tomb over their religion leaders... and he said this cause he knew that there would be a time when the prophets grave is considered as a place of worship..
In islam we do not increase the respect of the prophet and bring him close to ALLAH swt and we also do not disrespect him and treat his as any other common man.. he is the final messenger of ALLAH swt and we obey what he says as muslims...
I have no problem if the house was reserved and people visit it for historical purposes, but like i said many muslims consider it also as a place of worship...
Now coming back to honour again,,, we honour islam by following the Quran and the teachings of the prophet and bringing it to practice in our day to day life..alhamdulillah Quran is still in its orginal state and we have a numerous books of hadeeths...
Lastly, I personally would want to be a person to follow islam, bring it to practice and study further about it and develope myself as a better muslim... rather be a clean shaved, drinker/smoker, not perform regualar salaat and be ignorant about islam and when someone says something about islam he gets mad, furious and shouts out loud...dosent work that way guys.
Till now I did not see any solid proof says they replaced or intend to replace our pophet :PBUH: house with toilets. You guys are just talking and drifting away from the subject. I agree Saudis differ in some Islamic teachings than us but we shoudln't forget that those people worked very hard and paid milliars of dollars to enhance and enlarge the prophet mosque PBUH and Ka'ba. We as muslims should be thankful to them and this for sure proves their love to Islam and its last prophet. We can't just come and cast fragile accusations on them because we read this in a blog or we heard that guy says. I believe this is only to spread hatred among muslims, that's all.
You are in a permanent state of denial.
What's next? Alcohol-drinking muslims don't exist? lol
Brush up on your Saudi history, if you dare take your blinders off.
http://www.islamicamagazine.com/Issue-15/The-Destruction-of-Holy-Sites-in-Mecca-and-Medina.html
Fact HearT
22-02-09, 09:10 AM
So if an Ibadhi talked bad about Ibadhis does this mean he's right ?
Of cuorse he isn't right, I told you that because he is An Archaeologist, Saudi, Meccee, Same sect, so that why i don't think he lied PLUS I believe that Saudis saw the video, why they kept quite?!!
What are the standards that assure you they didn't replace it?
For me I post a video, what about you can you proof us that didn't happen.
You are in a permanent state of denial.
What's next? Alcohol-drinking muslims don't exist? lol
Brush up on your Saudi history, if you dare take your blinders off.
http://www.islamicamagazine.com/Issue-15/The-Destruction-of-Holy-Sites-in-Mecca-and-Medina.html
Well, I've read that article and it also doesn't mention anything about replacing our prophet's PBUH house with toilets. Is this your proof ?
And we don't expect them to keep all our prophet's :PBUH: companions houses because they are Islamically historical. They are enlarging Ka'ba place and our prophet's PBUH mosque this means they should take off some old houses.
Am not in a denial. If they decided to do what the thread says then I with all of the muslims will oppose it as possible as we can. But we don't accuse without a soild proof.
Of cuorse he isn't right, I told you that because he is An Archaeologist, Saudi, Meccee, Same sect, so that why i don't think he lied PLUS I believe that Saudis saw the video, why they kept quite?!!
What are the standards that assure you they didn't replace it?
For me I post a video, what about you can you proof us that didn't happen.
Now you've just answered yourself. You like it for others but when it comes to your sect it's not right. And that video doesn't proof anything. And you can't ask me for a proof that there is no houses on the moon, it's you who should prove that there is if you claim so.
What you think they intend to do is a global issue which involves officials from muslim countries. We've seen nothing which means nothing happened. You need more than that video to prove what you said.
But I do agree with El Rey that however heinous these acts are they are not the equivalent of insulting the Prophet IN THE MINDS AND INTENTIONS OF THOSE WHO COMMIT THEM. They MEAN no disrespect to Mohammed by placing a toilet where his house was. The MEAN to respect him by making clear to scrupulously obey the God he preached and taught about....
********.
If a non muslim, drew the prophet in a non-disrespecting way (as was the case with most of the danish drawings - and the reason FOR the whole thing was to open dialogue about issues with Islam people are reluctant to talk about) there would still be the same outrage. Because in the end, it's not about THEIR intentions. It's about the RESULT. It resulted in images of a man they're not supposed to have images of. For many people, things never have deeper reasons. They're just black on white. But I don't want to drift from the topic too much..
Many muslims around the world are angry about what the wahhabis are doing to the historical muslim sites.. so much so, that one article I came across was headlined "Wahhabis HATE the prophet".
One can build a school, a library, a mosque.. even an orphanage over such historical places... why TOILETS?
Well, I've read that article and it also doesn't mention anything about replacing our prophet's PBUH house with toilets. Is this your proof ?
And we don't expect them to keep all our prophet's :PBUH: companions houses because they are Islamically historical. They are enlarging Ka'ba place and our prophet's PBUH mosque this means they should take off some old houses.
Am not in a denial. If they decided to do what the thread says then I with all of the muslims will oppose it as possible as we can. But we don't accuse without a soild proof.
Now you've just answered yourself. You like it for others but when it comes to your sect it's not right. And that video doesn't proof anything. And you can't ask me for a proof that there is no houses on the moon, it's you who should prove that there is if you claim so.
What you think they intend to do is a global issue which involves officials from muslim countries. We've seen nothing which means nothing happened. You need more than that video to prove what you said.
There are various links further up. There is also google.
P.S.D.
Permanent State of Denial.
Suit yourself. Hee-haww.
There are various links further up. There is also google.
P.S.D.
Permanent State of Denial.
Suit yourself. Hee-haww.
Which in other words means:
I don't have a proof :hyper:
Wee-Waa
It's funny though in all your posts you emphasized on the word toilets while in your links this word doesn't exist.
B S Al Hassani
22-02-09, 09:43 AM
Wooooow ppl the place is getting damn hot here,,, bs see FH, this thing isnt proved yet, and if that is true than... nah i wont take any chance to think its going to happen, nah lousy media..
Fact HearT
22-02-09, 09:56 AM
Now you've just answered yourself. You like it for others but when it comes to your sect it's not right
It seems you lost...:p
Anyhow when i said not it doesn't mean I'm Abadhi.
Your Question was: If Abhadi talking about Abadhis does it mean he's right, So I answered you: ( of course not).
So it doesn't mean i'm Abadhi or sunni or bla bla bla. I'm just answering you.
PLUS I do not recognize polygamous sects.
"I'm Muslim"
our prophet wasn't come with sects.
. And that video doesn't proof anything. And you can't ask me for a proof that there is no houses on the moon, it's you who should prove that there is if you claim so.
It's proof or not, that's your opinion, But I think most of people are agree of it OR they are in your wise opinion>>>>>>>>> WRONG.
What you think they intend to do is a global issue which involves officials from muslim countries. We've seen nothing which means nothing happened. You need more than that video to prove what you said.
I think Muslims over the world follow their scholars which their center's in Saudia, So when the orders come from them, no one can say not.
Which in other words means:
I don't have a proof :hyper:
Wee-Waa
It's funny though in all your posts you emphasized on the word toilets while in your links this word doesn't exist.
PSD.
"Khadijah's house was situated in Sagah Street, which is where the jewelry shops can be found today. The Prophet's noble children, Umm Kulthum, Ruqqayah, Fatimah, Zainab, Qasim and 'Abdullah , were all born there. Scandalously, the Wahhabis demolished this genteel house and built, of all things, a public toilet on the site"
http://www.sunnah.org/arabic/mawldhouse/past_desecrations.htm
"The house of Khadija, Muhammad’s first wife. Muslims believe he received some of the first revelations there. It was also where his children Umm Kulthum, Ruqayyah, Zainab, Fatima and Qasim were born. After it was rediscovered during the Haram extensions in 1989, it was covered over and public toilets were built above the site"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_sites_associated_with_early_Islam
etc .. etc..
*yawn*
I didn't go through the posts in the thread
But if it's discussing Wahhabism, then yes, Wahhabism is the real threat to Islam
siah786
22-02-09, 01:08 PM
I didn't go through the posts in the thread
But if it's discussing Wahhabism, then yes, Wahhabism is the real threat to Islam
heheh... can anyone describe wat is wahabism??? and where does it originate from....
minerva
22-02-09, 01:15 PM
shirk is bad, so let's turn it into a pisspot so you can squat and fart last nights' couscous over it. hooray.
if that's not shirk, i don't know what is.
siah786
22-02-09, 01:35 PM
shirk is bad, so let's turn it into a pisspot so you can squat and fart last nights' couscous over it. hooray.
if that's not shirk, i don't know what is.
heheh wat are you trying to say?????
If you do not the meaning of the word "shirk".. ask, and anybody shall tell you..
"shirk" is associating partners with the almighty ALLAH swt and ie is the biggest sin in islam...
but if you know the meaning and your making fun of it and laughin over it..."ALLAH YAHDEESH"....
minerva
22-02-09, 01:38 PM
allah yahdeek you too , whatever that means.
what partners are they trying to associate with God? just because a holy place is kept there for future generations?
at least build something 'nice' not a piss pot. that's plain ignorant.
siah786
22-02-09, 01:49 PM
HEHEHEE.. INSHALLAH "allah yahdeeni"...
well read my earlier post minerva, with a peaceful mind ... and you will understand why... and firstly, the news is not confirmed...
and there's nothing in preserving a house, the teachings of islam have to be preserved.. and alhamdulillah muslims have preserved it well, the quran is still in its original state.. and we have numerous ahadeeths books(teachings of prophet)...
the message of islam the prophet asked us to preserve ... he dint say, save my house and show everybody where the prophet lived ...did he??
wake up... good morning..
minerva
22-02-09, 01:51 PM
did he say 'piss over my house?'
siah786
22-02-09, 01:56 PM
hehehehehe...why are so much in love with the prophets house....
If you love and respect the prophet so much... then why dont you study about him and accept his message...
Once you learn abt quran and the teachings of the prophet am sure all your doubts and questions regarding islam will be answered ....
minerva
22-02-09, 02:09 PM
no i am happy with my religion. i'm just incensed that savages and ignorants are allowed to do such a thing to a place with historical and religious importance. maybe building a library or having a garden would have been more respectful than a toilet.
why aren't you feeling anything? why aren't you angry? why are you defending such ignorance?
i was angry once because i saw a pic of a muslim having a piss in a bombed out church in bosnia. now i understand why other people laughed. cos you're not allowed to associate god with holy places. pissing on them is cool though.
siah786
22-02-09, 02:52 PM
minerva... why dont you understand...
the prophets house, was only a house in which he lived....it was'nt a palace of worship or something .. it was jst a simple house like any other small house at that time.. it was so small that when the prophet saw used to pray, he had to move her wife's (ayesha ra) legs and then prostrate....
now people consider tht place holy and do all kindda shirk and biddah activities( biddah means innovating anything in the fold of islam, which is also not allowed)..is unacceptable in islam...
The holy places where prayers/worship have more worth in islam are only three.. ie. MAKKAH , MADINAH and JERUSALEM (masjid al aqsa)...
Prophets house is not a holy place as such.. it can be preserved for historical purposes not as a HOLY place...
Now if a muslim man peed on bombed church in bosnia dosent mean whole of islam is the same... JUDGE MUSLIMS BASED ON ISLAM NOT ISLAM BASED ON MUSLIMS..lady..
matter of fact there is a hadeeth, within which a village guy comes in the mosque and pees, read this hadeeths
saheeh muslim,Book 2, Number 0559:
Anas b. Malik reported: While we were in the mosque with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), a desert Arab came and stood up and began to urinate in the mosque. The Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Stop, stop, but the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said : Don't interrupt him; leave him alone. They left him alone, and when he finished urinating, Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) called him and said to him: These mosques are not the places meant for urine and filth, but are only for the remembrance of Allah, prayer and the recitation of the Qur'an, or Allah's Messenger said something like that. He (the narrator) said that he (the Holy Prophet) then gave orders to one of the people who brought a bucket of water and poured It over.
minerva
22-02-09, 03:05 PM
there's no need to write long posts. i don't judge all muslims by the actions of one, cos otherwise i wouldn't be here. now if there's a collective silence about the prophet's house being turned into a piss pot, i can gather an impression about the whole of the muslim community. if there is a collective defense, then my impression is gonna get worse.
it's not a place of worship, but it's not a toilet either. then again, toilet habits may vary from culture to culture. for me it's the worst anybody can do. i rest my case. i can't be bothered anymore. piss wherever you like and treat your heritage in anyway you will.
siah786
22-02-09, 03:23 PM
Well sometimes there is a need to write long posts to make people understand...
but still some people have attitude problem and they jst stick on to their point even after being explained...
as i see it personally if & only if the prophets house was destroyed it could be for the expansion of the mosque, and if they decided to build a toilet there, it could be just for the reason to avoid people from worshipping at that particular place and considering it to be holy..
cause you know there are some ignorant people, even if the house is broken they might say this is the point where the prophets house existed..and they might prostrate and rub themselves on the floor..
now that its a toilet(only if it is a fact), they wont bother to do the same...
lastly, there are many many stupid things done by other religions, for which they do not have any justification too.. but i do nt mention them to hurt others.
For an example, go listen to sheikh abdurraheem green, "how i came to islam".. you'll get understanding..
minerva
22-02-09, 03:49 PM
if anything stupid was done by my religion, i'd be the last one to defend it. especially if it's something culturally backward.
siah786
22-02-09, 03:56 PM
madame minerva...
ALHAMDULILLAH, ISLAM is perfect and nothing stupid in it.. yeah ignorant muslims might sometimes do something stupid..
I already proved it to you that what was done (if it was done) is not a stupid thing and i also explained why it was done...
You can go listen to sheikh abdurraheem green , "HOW I CAME TO ISLAM".. Probably if ALLAH swt wills you will understand what actually is stupid...
If you still have some valid point regarding this issue..pls put forward or stop shooting blindly..
minerva
22-02-09, 03:58 PM
i'll try to shoot in the cistern not blindly.
minerva
22-02-09, 03:59 PM
nobody criticised islam, muslims or whatever you're saying.
the criticism is addressed to the guy who wants people to piss in the prophet's house.
siah786
22-02-09, 04:13 PM
nobody criticised islam, muslims or whatever you're saying.
the criticism is addressed to the guy who wants people to piss in the prophet's house.
Yeah sure minerva... You are the person who is hurt the most.. because though you are not a muslim, you really love prophets house....
though you do not bother learn about islam and the prophets teachings.. you still respect his house...GOOoood..
catch the guy minerva and bring him down...
BEST OF LUCK...
ADIOS from me..
I got more important works then reply to stuepid posts...
ADIOS.
minerva
22-02-09, 04:18 PM
time to take your chill pills dear.
siah786
22-02-09, 04:29 PM
thanks for reminding i'll take them..
its time to take your understanding pills dear..
the sooner the better..
adios
Just to make it clear for everybody: This is what an archeologist found, might be correct, might be not. Even IF it was correct, I don't think it is smart to say that the saudi's built the toilets on the prophet's house on purpose.
For non-muslim members who compare this to fuss caused by the cartoons, I don't quite get your points, do you guys mean muslim members in sabla didn't cause a fuss about it? Or in the Muslim world as a whole? Because as I said above, it is just what an archeologist found, and it might not be correct! I wouldn't blame you for your lack of knowledge in Islam, but it is well known that the prophet's grave is located in his house in Madina. What this archeologist claims to be found is the prophet's old house in Mecca, probably before the exile.
Also, currently there is a huge library in Mecca and in that library is a place which the Prophet was claimed to be born. All these places were taken care of by the Saudis or Wahhabis if you'd like to call them. Nobody said a good thing about that!
minerva
22-02-09, 04:55 PM
siah said they're gonna build them toilets on purpose to stop people rubbing themselves on the floor.
Just to make it clear for everybody: This is what an archeologist found, might be correct, might be not. Even IF it was correct, I don't think it is smart to say that the saudi's built the toilets on the prophet's house on purpose.
For non-muslim members who compare this to fuss caused by the cartoons, I don't quite get your points, do you guys mean muslim members in sabla didn't cause a fuss about it? Or in the Muslim world as a whole? Because as I said above, it is just what an archeologist found, and it might not be correct! I wouldn't blame you for your lack of knowledge in Islam, but it is well known that the prophet's grave is located in his house in Madina. What this archeologist claims to be found is the prophet's old house in Mecca, probably before the exile.
Also, currently there is a huge library in Mecca and in that library is a place which the Prophet was claimed to be born. All these places were taken care of by the Saudis or Wahhabis if you'd like to call them. Nobody said a good thing about that!
Thanks Braiki but your words won't convince them cos they don't want to be convinced.
Conclusion, this might not be true.. And if it is so true, the Muslim world wouldn't let it go, just because and archeologist said that doesn't make it true, I think I'm discussing a problem that doesn't exist and might never.
minerva
22-02-09, 08:54 PM
what i've learnt from this thread is the different attitude towards history different peoples have.
siah786
23-02-09, 08:43 AM
siah said they're gonna build them toilets on purpose to stop people rubbing themselves on the floor.
you have a good talent in manipulating what others say and bring out completely different meaning.. its a good talent, pls use it for good not for bad...
Firstly i've always said that the news is not confirmed.. and secondly i said its my personal opinion that they must have done it to avoid people from considering it to be a holy place and indulge themselves in all kinds of shirk and biddath.. ITS JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION..
Wat i have learnt from this thread, ALLAH GUIDES WHOME HE WILLS, our job being a muslim is just to pass the message..
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