Valentines Day and Islam.. Forbidden!!?

[Khalid]

A lot of people discuss about this, every year every time, and maybe we did discuss about it last year too.:rolleyes:

We all know that Christians celebrate Valentines day, and Muslims (the real one) are against it..

I have some reasons that it's forbidden and screw muslims people who celebrates it! Screw ignorance!

[Russo_turisto]

oy. let people do whatever they want, just don't bother.:p

[Threadlike]

I honestly don't 'get' the cool aspect of it...But I don't find it any worse than, say, an anniversary. Religion doesn't prevent love or expressions for love so long as that love is legitimate and so long as it does not go completely against Islamic principles.

[marianna]

I would much rather celebrate a day of love then to focus on the negativities. There are plenty of Islamic holidays Christians do not celebrate. If a Muslim wants to give his husband/wife a card or a flower or take her out to dinner because it simply is V-Day so what. Where's the harm? I am saying husband and wife now since in most Islamic societies dating is forbidden but what about say you are engaged and KNOW you are marrying your sweetheart...giving a flower or candy or a card is out of the question?

[Manta]

oy. let people do whatever they want, just don't bother.:p:) That is a standing point...:):D:cool:

[UmKhalid]

Mommy is Daddy's valentine ...


Oh just a reminder it's Hug an Arab day soon ...

[Khalid]

Why do you celebrate in the 14th? Why not in the 9th of November?
Why do you act like Christians?

[marianna]

I wouldn't mind hugging an Arab...everyone needs one once in a while...especially on a hard day. :D

[minerva]

Why do you celebrate in the 14th? Why not in the 9th of November?
Why do you act like Christians?
why not? it's not like you gonna eat bork and drink al kohol the evil juice on valentine's day.

[UmKhalid]

Is Valentine's Day a Christian Eid in the Bible?

[minerva]

no lol. it's just a day wicked white people from the west invented. so it must be evoll.

[Khalid]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ar/0/04/فتوى.jpg

[marianna]

The rules of the sabla state if you post something in another language (i.e. Arabic, Spanish, etc...it has to be translated.)

[Russo_turisto]

^ wonderful. I can post wallpapers in some other language too.:bored: and say, ha ha, you don't understand me, na na na:p
take the trouble of translating it, svp.

[Shy]

You shouldn't celebrate birthdays either, that's a Christian tradition. Why you wanna act like a Christian??

[lak47]

This thread is going to turn into another one of 'those' threads =\

[minerva]

khalid don't act like christians.
they'll lose their street cred. keep your post in arabic. who cares about it anyway?
(to anybody who moans about anything and everything) you don't want to celebrate val's day don't. loads of people don't celebrate it. loads do. each to his own. live and let live or f off if you can't.

[Ayna]

*Smacks forehead*

Here we go again....

[UmKhalid]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ar/0/04/فتوى.jpg

The asker asks the Sheikh Othaimeen about Valentine's day which is a Christian Eid and that on that day people wear red and give out flowers and that they ask the Sheikh to share his opinion.


The Sheikh replies that it is Haram to celebrate Valentine's Day because

a) It has not there in Shariah.
b) It makes the heart become busy in unimportant things.

And so Muslims are not allowed to celebrate this 'Eid' in either food or clothing or anything. A Muslim must be proud of his religion and not follow every caller.

[Muggle]

Khalid, why can't a husband and his wife celebrate this day?

Birthdays aren't a part of Islam either, why do we celebrate them? lol, I remember our teacher used to tell us not to call birthdays عيد الميلاد (Eid of birth) but يوم الميلاد (and I found that silly, since it's just a name and the things we do remain the same. We KNOW there are only two Eids in Islam, but I really don't see the harm of having fun and enjoying ourselves as long as you're not doing anything haram, and what's haram about a happily married couple celebrating their love for each other?

[J'adore]

I'm lost for words..

You wanna celebrate V-day.. Then go ahead and do so..

If not.. Then just DONT.. IT's not that serious, really..

[Storm]

Thank you UmKhalid for the translation :)

I would have deleted it :bored:

[amo_l_oman]

Why do you celebrate in the 14th? Why not in the 9th of November?
Why do you act like Christians?

I didn't understand if you don't want to celebrate it at all or you want to do but another day not to be labelled as non Muslim :cute:
For every rule we must bring the Quran or the Sunnah as evidence
We all know that other than the two Eids, there's no celebration in Islam
If one wants to follow is fine, if not, we all know the consequences
Is good to give dawah to our brothers and sisters first, reminding them what's right and what wrong, but if you allow me to make a remark, first, don't let's always point fingers against other religions and traditions saying "no we don't do it cause we're not like them"
We don't do this because we have our rules
Secondly, we are all Muslims
Allah knows who the real ones are
It was good of you to remind us how much time we waste after things that keep us from our religion, but let's remember to be moderate

[marianna]

So if a husband and wife want to show love for one another on this day WHY would it be considered unimportant? I mean come on...they are married and in their hearts they love each other and want to express it and if it is on Feb. 14th as a married couple it should be well within their right to express this love. Shouldn't it?

[amo_l_oman]

Am not a scholar
I can answer following the reasing of the scholars I follow
If it happens by coincidence that the husband brings flowers to his wife on that day, then fine
But if the intention is to celebrate the day of love because is a must on the 14th, then is wrong

[Listen2theOcean]

although my days are all love days but on the 14th your dead lovers rises from the grave while muslims hate increases to self distract actions

[marianna]

I simply don't see anything wrong if a Muslim married couple want to celebrate the 14th. For one they are married so in the eyes of God how can celebrating a day...whether they want to or not...is haram. For me, when married couples display their love for one another I find it endearing.

[minerva]

shiek ostjaman is not right. he's wrong.
it's not a christian eid. it's not even equivalent to easter or xmas. not even equivalent to a person's birthday.
it's even less than mother's day and father's day.

[minerva]

now for those who say it's a christian feast, celebrated in the church, go search a vatican site (~Vatican.com) about christmas and easter. then go check st.valentine. see the importance it's given.
i think it's just another ploy to control people.

[amo_l_oman]

It was the Church itself to make him patron of those in love, to discourage some pagan practices
The celebrations became something commercial

[minerva]

yeah but it wasn't the church who made them commercial. duh. you don't see the pope wearing a read cassock with pink hearts on it on that day. or anything special in church. love is celebrated everyday in church. each day there is a saint commemorated. you know....someone has onomastico every day.
it's the shops that made it into a big thing. rightly so. free market economy. roses, meals, diamonds, lingerie. all the better.
and it's got nothign to do with the church.

[IceTea]

This is the result of globalization.

PS: what is bork?

[minerva]

This is the result of globalization.

PS: what is bork?
it's pork in arabic. bork. cos you can't pronounce the p. my arabic teacher told me so. sue him.

[IceTea]

What an excuse, it is not a shame to admit a mistake. :P

[IceTea]

We Omanis can have Khalfan's day, how about that?

[minerva]

if you go through my bosts you find worse mistakes than that :D

[amo_l_oman]

yeah but it wasn't the church who made them commercial. duh. you don't see the pope wearing a read cassock with pink hearts on it on that day. or anything special in church. love is celebrated everyday in church. each day there is a saint commemorated. you know....someone has onomastico every day.
it's the shops that made it into a big thing. rightly so. free market economy. roses, meals, diamonds, lingerie. all the better.
and it's got nothign to do with the church.

I very well know this but people here do not
Seeing associated the name of a saint to box of chocolates led some to think there is a connection [and this happens also for some Christians since rarely priests condemn some practices]
Now that you explained is clear

[minerva]

priests ALWAYS condemn excesses, over spending etc. your extra money should go for good causes not to buy things you don't need. read a few encyclicals.

[UmKhalid]

We Omanis can have Khalfan's day, how about that?

Astaghfr Allah IceTea starting an innovation in religion are we

[marianna]

Yes, with mini....excess in food, alcohol, spending.....all are considered immoral.

[minerva]

Yes, with mini....excess in food, alcohol, spending.....all are considered immoral.
even in the official christian feasts, christmas and easter. it's immoral to over spend, over indulge and over anything.

[marianna]

yes, and if a couple wants to celebrate their love on V-Day they don't have to go out and overspend etc.....they show their love as they always do....it's nice to simply say: "I love you." Take them out or give them a rose...or not give anything....making a big deal out of V-Day (meaning they don't like it) of course it's the right of any Muslim but to have someone looking down one's nose at how Non-Muslims celebrate a day of love...well, that to me is quite arrogant.

[Khalid]

You shouldn't celebrate birthdays either, that's a Christian tradition. Why you wanna act like a Christian??
When did you see me celebrating birthdays? I dont celebrate my birthday and you suggest me to celebrate my friends birthdays?!



Khalid, why can't a husband and his wife celebrate this day?

Birthdays aren't a part of Islam either, why do we celebrate them? lol, I remember our teacher used to tell us not to call birthdays عيد الميلاد (Eid of birth) but يوم الميلاد (and I found that silly, since it's just a name and the things we do remain the same. We KNOW there are only two Eids in Islam, but I really don't see the harm of having fun and enjoying ourselves as long as you're not doing anything haram, and what's haram about a happily married couple celebrating their love for each other?

They can celebrate it! I can celebrate it! You can! but at the end you'll have to deal about it with Allah when its forbidden!
7asha when did I celebrate birthday? I used to celebrate them RARELY! Now I stopped celebrating them!

[Khalid]

And btw Muggle, husband and his wife can do whatever they want at anytime, so why would they choose this DAY only!?

[3 a b d o o s h]

Why do you make the Christians sound so bad?

[amo_l_oman]

priests ALWAYS condemn excesses, over spending etc. your extra money should go for good causes not to buy things you don't need. read a few encyclicals.


Enciclica is from the Pope
Priests do condemn through sermons but in moderation
After all they too live with the money earned by the industries involved in this business
Also here if you go to supermarkets there's plenty of teddy bears and chocolates and I don't think Imams will shout tomorrow
Money can buy almost everything
Is the globalisation :D

[Russo_turisto]

When did you see me celebrating birthdays? I dont celebrate my birthday and you suggest me to celebrate my friends birthdays?!




They can celebrate it! I can celebrate it! You can! but at the end you'll have to deal about it with Allah when its forbidden!
7asha when did I celebrate birthday? I used to celebrate them RARELY! Now I stopped celebrating them!
oh scheisse. so I'm celebrating my friend's birthday 2moro Insha'Allah (that friend of mine's an atheist), no spiritus vini, no Bork, etc. so I cease to be Muslim if I do so???
Hey that's what the Qur'an says:
5:87

O you who believe, do not prohibit good things that are made lawful by GOD, and do not aggress; GOD dislikes the aggressors.

[Khalid]

قال: قال رسول الله -صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وسلم-: من تشبه بقوم فهو منهم

The Prophet says: “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.”

[Thalia]

قال: قال رسول الله -صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وسلم-: من تشبه بقوم فهو منهم

The Prophet says: “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.”
Good. Then pls.. get off the internets. We invented it. Stop imitating us. LOL

[Russo_turisto]

Khalid, can't see any imitating in that. elaborate your message please. so it means i copy atheists just by celebrating with them? Oh God. someone please stop the paranoia:os

[minerva]

Enciclica is from the Pope
Priests do condemn through sermons but in moderation
After all they too live with the money earned by the industries involved in this business
Also here if you go to supermarkets there's plenty of teddy bears and chocolates and I don't think Imams will shout tomorrow
Money can buy almost everything
Is the globalisation :D
when was the last time you went to church? i have five churches in my vicinity and excesses are condemned, rest assured.

[Thalia]

Also.. it was YOU guys who call it EID al Hobb.

We don't call it Eid or easter anything. It's just a day to mark in the yearly calendar. Which btw.. you have your own version of too.. (make sure you dont imitate us or anything..) where Feb 14 doesn't even exist. So why the big deal?

You to yours.. Us to ours.

[marianna]

Priests do condemn through sermons but in moderation
After all they too live with the money earned by the industries involved in this business


If people only knew how simply most priests live. Sigh.............Amo and others, why attack our holy men come on.

[Khalid]

oh scheisse. so I'm celebrating my friend's birthday 2moro Insha'Allah (that friend of mine's an atheist), no spiritus vini, no Bork, etc. so I cease to be Muslim if I do so???
Hey that's what the Qur'an says:
5:87

When did the prophet celebrate his birthday?

[Thalia]

hey russ, since you don't do the bad stuff anymore, can i have your lovely russian vodka, i'll gladly take the evil off your hands.
Certainly too much evil for you to handle alone. Here. Let me help.

[Russo_turisto]

When did the prophet celebrate his birthday?

so does it mean we all should maintain a life perfectly identical to that of the Prophet:PBUH:!

Truly, Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.
What is not Haram, is Halal.

[UmKhalid]

Why do you make the Christians sound so bad?

Yeah, making them sound like a threat to Islamic morals and values ... Ha, and this is even after minerva explaining it isn't a Christian Eid.

[marianna]

And I will sing old sappy Spanish love songs for everyone's enjoyment. :love:

[Russo_turisto]

Alright then. Anyways, I'm always the driver these days:p

[Khalid]

^ Off-topics should be deleted, not the picture I posted.


for those who can read arabic, read this http://www.omania2.net/avb/showthread.php?p=7332678#post7332678

[melnotts]

Aren't you people getting sick of the everyday Haram Fatwa?
What I know everything is Halal but what Allah has prohibited. How come these sheicks ban something that does't hurt but spread peace and love!
ah, I am waiting for the 14th so I can at least share "special moment" of romance even if from a distance.

[Muggle]

They can celebrate it! I can celebrate it! You can! but at the end you'll have to deal about it with Allah when its forbidden!
7asha when did I celebrate birthday? I used to celebrate them RARELY! Now I stopped celebrating them!
I really doubt Allah (SWT) would be angry at me for being happy and spending quality time with my friends and family, doing nothing haram (I'm not going to agree that celebrating anything but the two Eids is haram).


And btw Muggle, husband and his wife can do whatever they want at anytime, so why would they choose this DAY only!?
You say that because you don't agree with it. I believe it's just a special day, just like I celebrate Mother's Day and Father's Day, where I give my parents presents. Yes, they know I love them all year long, I just like to show it to them by doing something extra special on a certain day because they deserve a little something every now and then. I doubt I'm going to hell for buying my parents presents.

Oh and also, how can it be تشبه بالمسيح (imitating Christians) when they themselves cleared it out for you and told you it is NOT a Christian thing?

[minerva]

there should be a fatwa making anger haram.

[marianna]

I really doubt Allah (SWT) would be angry at me for being happy and spending quality time with my friends and family, doing nothing haram (I'm not going to agree that celebrating anything but the two Eids is haram).


You say that because you don't agree with it. I believe it's just a special day, just like I celebrate Mother's Day and Father's Day, where I give my parents presents. Yes, they know I love them all year long, I just like to show it to them by doing something extra special on a certain day because they deserve a little something every now and then. I doubt I'm going to hell for buying my parents presents.
Oh and also, how can it be تشبه بالمسيح (imitating Christians) when they themselves cleared it out for you and told you it is NOT a Christian thing?

well said! :D :yes:

[GingerPop]

Im not very aware of Islam's views on Valentines' but what I do know is that I find it a fake in some wyas. I'd expect my love to express his love in many ways all the time and surprise me with bigger treats randomly when i least expect it, There may also be more pressure to ensure that uve prepared the perfect valentine gift than to actuallt focus and celebrate your love for one aother.. I also find it hilarious just that one day a year is dedicated to reminding eachother u are loved and special and (for those who are single, that u are still single!) and how girls are bummed out when the day's over and theyhavent been asked out or received that mysterious rose..lol. Its like it took the 14th of Feb to happen for them to realiase tht :p

Some ppl say they "just celerate it" but "dont beleive in it" and "dont take it seriously", well then you may as well go celebrate xmas and purchase a tree, easter, hannukah, Diwali ... just so long u dont celebrate it!

On a second note: One may argue that celebrating Valentine is just like celebratingmother's day or father's day or nana's .. so I guess I really havent made up mymind whther im up for the effort to celebrate valentine's or not, maybe I'll worry about that when I actually do have someone worth celebrating with :)

[GingerPop]

Oh and also, how can it be تشبه بالمسيح (imitating Christians) when they themselves cleared it out for you and told you it is NOT a Christian thing?

Oh, really? Thats interesting.. Thanx for sharing, also do u happen to have a source ?

[Muggle]

^By "they" I was referring to the Christian members who replied here and explained it. You'll find it in the earlier posts in this thread.

[minerva]

Oh, really? Thats interesting.. Thanx for sharing, also do u happen to have a source ?
i'm a christian, so you can consider me as a source. st. valentine is a martyr saint. each day has a different saint. sometimes there are more than one. now the commercial/party side is not christian. there are no celebrations happenning in the church with regards st.valentine, unless the church building itself is dedicated to the saint himself (there is one such church in malta, in a village close to where i live and they do a small celebration inside this particular church to commemorate the saintly life of this person).
not a holiday, not an eid.

[Soulless]

it makes me laugh , when i see people celebrate this occasion and they dont even know what its about xD !!

Ahhh ... the media is playing a huge role on brainwashing these little feeble humanistic minds , some organization are making maximum profit through out this day , while some others are aiming to feed peoples minds with love phenomenon until they usher their victims finely to Sexual Disorder.

this occasion became some thing necessary in their lifes , even some woman when they dont receive some thing from their spouse on that day , they will feel depressed/sad , while in the other hand some other as i was reading an article there are some woman who've got non to celebrate with ,they send love messages to them self or to their pet dogs so they can feel loved.

[Booth]

I think it's sad, it's for people who never share a day of love but once in a year.
In an Islamic point of view I agree with Threadlike, although you can always choose another day.. Maybe like once in a month, week, but not once in a year.
Can someone tell me why this day is so special, I don't want the story because I already made a whole presentation about it in English class.. But to those who think it's right and okay and let them think what they want, what makes this day so special?

[Khalid]

Oh and also, how can it be تشبه بالمسيح (imitating Christians) when they themselves cleared it out for you and told you it is NOT a Christian thing?

"The holiday is named after two among the numerous Early Christian martyrs named Valentine"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentine's_Day

[minerva]

I think it's sad, it's for people who never share a day of love but once in a year.
In an Islamic point of view I agree with Threadlike, although you can always choose another day.. Maybe like once in a month, week, but not once in a year.
Can someone tell me why this day is so special, I don't want the story because I already made a whole presentation about it in English class.. But to those who think it's right and okay and let them think what they want, what makes this day so special?
what makes it special? guess it's the entertainment industry that caters for it. you get themed weekends, where chocolate massages are offered at good prices for couples, restaurants theme their menus accordingly, there's red roses everywhere you look, you get to send an anonymous card to the one you want to be your 'valentine', parties are themed for valentine's day etc etc etc. it's a good break for businesses between christmas and easter if you ask me. tv show romantic movies until you start puking, radio stations play romantic music ad nauseam etc. it's fun for teenagers and it gives older couples an excuse to go out and enjoy themselves. tacky for some, fun for others. of course, if you are in a fullfilled relationship, you show your love every single day, through words and actions. but on valentines day, for those who celebrate it, it's something extra.

[Booth]

Aren't you people getting sick of the everyday Haram Fatwa?

No, not really, it's called ijtihad and these Sheikhs spend they're lifetime for good deed to improve our religion and make it contemporaneous, you do that to not make your values not fade away and get lost.:think:

there should be a fatwa making anger haram.
I'm so sorry to disappoint, but anger is a human nature.. There is a fatwa of how to react with it though, you pray to God and repeat his name to calm down. But you surely don't use physical violence.
''The mighty man is this who knows how to hold his anger, than to rage and use violence'' :think:

[minerva]

"The holiday is named after two among the numerous Early Christian martyrs named Valentine"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentine's_Day
yes but the church did not declare it a holiday. you can also google the list of saints whose 'feast' falls on different days.

[UmKhalid]

Khalid did you celebrate the Omani National Day?

No need to preform a ritual or throw a party - but did you feel it was a special day? Were you happy? Did you send SMS to your friends congratulating them? Did you put a picture of the Sultan/ Omani flag as an MSN Display picture?


If you did. Then it is a form of celebration. You acknowledged "Al Eid Al Watani - The National Eid", which isn't Eid Al Fitr nor Eid Al Adha as a special day.

[Booth]

what makes it special? guess it's the entertainment industry that caters for it. you get themed weekends, where chocolate massages are offered at good prices for couples, restaurants theme their menus accordingly, there's red roses everywhere you look, you get to send an anonymous card to the one you want to be your 'valentine', parties are themed for valentine's day etc etc etc. it's a good break for businesses between christmas and easter if you ask me. tv show romantic movies until you start puking, radio stations play romantic music ad nauseam etc. it's fun for teenagers and it gives older couples an excuse to go out and enjoy themselves. tacky for some, fun for others. of course, if you are in a fullfilled relationship, you show your love every single day, through words and actions. but on valentines day, for those who celebrate it, it's something extra.

So it's for publicity, I think such day would be nicer and better if it was randomly chosen [by the pair], it becomes more special when it's arranged by the couple not the companies, advertisements and propaganda.

[minerva]

So it's for publicity, I think such day would be nicer and better if it was randomly chosen [by the pair], it becomes more special when it's arranged by the couple not the companies, advertisements and propaganda.
i know many couples who choose random weekends to celebrate each other. i don't need valentine's day to go out with my husband. i'm not going to begrudge a nice day out for the couples who choose to celebrate valentines, either.

[marianna]

HALAAASSSSS............people celebrate because they want to in an open society...Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Atheists.....you name it.......love is in the air and we should ALL embrace it!

[UmKhalid]

^ I think the HALAASSSSS bit was very cute :D :cute:

[marianna]

^^^I know a little bit of arabic lol....... :D

[Arabian Prince]

Could someone please explain the real aim of this thread? Is it:

a) to inform our Muslim brothers and sisters about the ruling of celebrating Valentines day?

b) to aimlessly argue with the Christian members on board trying to convince them that it has to be a Christian event/day that is aimed at celebrating love, when it has been proved otherwise, and also accuse Muslims of copying non-Muslims?

c) trying to aimlessly discuss and legitimize this celebration when it is apparent that from the fatwa provided in this thread, and an abundance of other fatwa's on the internet, which state that celebrating Valentine's day is forbidden?



The fact that Muslims individuals personally choose to celebrate particular events and not others does not affect the ruling on such issues one bit.

Showing your significant other your love for them in various forms does not make this so-called Valentine's day and more legitimate for us Muslims. There's nothing stopping us from doing whatever it is that you choose to do on this day on any other given day, provided that it does not go against Islamic rulings.

Islam is a belief and a way of life, and it is also a choice. If despite all the fatwa's and evidence provided to you that goes to show that celebrating Valentine's day is forbidden, and you still choose to celebrate it out of your own reasoning that it's 100% correct to do so, then you shouldn't be worried about giving that same reason to Allah SWT on the day of judgment, wa Allahu a3lam. (God knows best)

[FAITH86]

Following everything blindly or being "إمعة" is not acceptable in Islam . Simple as that :)

[Khalid]

Khalid did you celebrate the Omani National Day?

No need to preform a ritual or throw a party - but did you feel it was a special day? Were you happy? Did you send SMS to your friends congratulating them? Did you put a picture of the Sultan/ Omani flag as an MSN Display picture?


If you did. Then it is a form of celebration. You acknowledged "Al Eid Al Watani - The National Eid", which isn't Eid Al Fitr nor Eid Al Adha as a special day.

Honestly..
1- I didn't celebrate Oman National Day, never did!
2-Special day? It's less than a normal day to me, maybe I just care about it to see the fireworks and that's it, though last time I watched them 4 years ago.
3-I wasn't happy, I was depressed.
4-I didn't put Sultan's picture in my MSN display picture, but I did put Sheikh Zayed (may he rest in peace) in my MSN display picture, and well yeah I did put Oman's flag as a picture too but not in the national day.

:mushroom:

[Khalid]

Could someone please explain the real aim of this thread? Is it:

a) to inform our Muslim brothers and sisters about the ruling of celebrating Valentines day?

b) to aimlessly argue with the Christian members on board trying to convince them that it has to be a Christian event/day that is aimed at celebrating love, when it has been proved otherwise, and also accuse Muslims of copying non-Muslims?

c) trying to aimlessly discuss and legitimize this celebration when it is apparent that from the fatwa provided in this thread, and an abundance of other fatwa's on the internet, which state that celebrating Valentine's day is forbidden?






a) to inform our Muslim brothers and sisters about the ruling of celebrating Valentines day

But if you saw something different than that, report it! It's an off-topic post! :yes:

[Khalid]

In Islam we do not need a Love Eid; because all of our days should be love with love, so.. why is allocated only one day of love?

[BrAiKi]

Aren't you people getting sick of the everyday Haram Fatwa?
What I know everything is Halal but what Allah has prohibited. How come these sheicks ban something that does't hurt but spread peace and love!
ah, I am waiting for the 14th so I can at least share "special moment" of romance even if from a distance.

You took the words from my mouth brother...
I *raising my hands* am sick of the everyday Haram Fatwa.

[Jeff]

Could someone please explain the real aim of this thread? Is it:

a) to inform our Muslim brothers and sisters about the ruling of celebrating Valentines day?

b) to aimlessly argue with the Christian members on board trying to convince them that it has to be a Christian event/day that is aimed at celebrating love, when it has been proved otherwise, and also accuse Muslims of copying non-Muslims?

c) trying to aimlessly discuss and legitimize this celebration when it is apparent that from the fatwa provided in this thread, and an abundance of other fatwa's on the internet, which state that celebrating Valentine's day is forbidden?



The fact that Muslims individuals personally choose to celebrate particular events and not others does not affect the ruling on such issues one bit.

Showing your significant other your love for them in various forms does not make this so-called Valentine's day and more legitimate for us Muslims. There's nothing stopping us from doing whatever it is that you choose to do on this day on any other given day, provided that it does not go against Islamic rulings.

Islam is a belief and a way of life, and it is also a choice. If despite all the fatwa's and evidence provided to you that goes to show that celebrating Valentine's day is forbidden, and you still choose to celebrate it out of your own reasoning that it's 100% correct to do so, then you shouldn't be worried about giving that same reason to Allah SWT on the day of judgment, wa Allahu a3lam. (God knows best)

I think you are missing something.

I think Braiki and UmKhalid, for instance, seem like they read the fatwas and say, "I am not convinced by this. So I don't think I can accept it."

If you look at the fatwas and the evidence and they don't persuade you, why should you listen to them?

Fatwas are not prophecies from God, are they? They are just judgments of scholars. One treats them with respect, but one doesn't have to accept them, does one?

[Black Lolly]

I support valentines :)
It\s not forbidden.. becaause simply it wasn't there when islam started and yeah.. noone knows if it is! And I don't think it is I mean why would it be c'moon.. Anyways.. it's not :)

[jack]

Got my red shirt and red silks on today ... :p

[marianna]

V-Day can be utilized for good causes like the charity dance am attending tonight to support the sick children at a local hospital. Marketing in V-Day doesn't always have to be about couples per say but I know it is a day marked for couples but can also be for simply taking a day out of 365 days to spread love and in my instance....to participate in a worthy cause by directing any money I have towards sick children instead.

[Arabian Prince]

If you look at the fatwas and the evidence and they don't persuade you, why should you listen to them?

Fatwas are not prophecies from God, are they? They are just judgments of scholars. One treats them with respect, but one doesn't have to accept them, does one?

Islam is a belief and a way of life, and it is also a choice. If despite all the fatwa's and evidence provided to you that goes to show that celebrating Valentine's day is forbidden, and you still choose to celebrate it out of your own reasoning that it's 100% correct to do so, then you shouldn't be worried about giving that same reason to Allah SWT on the day of judgment, wa Allahu a3lam. (God knows best)
:)

It depends on what your sources are when it comes to fatwa's Jeff, but usually (and I'd certainly like to believe so) they are issued by people that are much more knowledgeable in Islam and its rulings than you and I (meaning the majority of people).

[amo_l_oman]

I support valentines :)
It\s not forbidden.. becaause simply it wasn't there when islam started and yeah.. noone knows if it is! And I don't think it is I mean why would it be c'moon.. Anyways.. it's not :)


Many things in the way we have them today were not there at the time of the Prophet
But the universality of Islam allow us to have ways and rules also for these
Scholars are people who know deeply Arabic, history, tafseer, sunnah and so they can deduce a ruling
Is true that in many cases they disagree and on a same issue we have different conclusions
At this point we as Muslims who have also a certain knowlwdge, can make our choice

[El Rey]

Good. Then pls.. get off the internets. We invented it. Stop imitating us. LOL

Oh internet is a maltese invention ? :D

[El Rey]

I personally don't celibrate this cos I believe love should be shown all the time and doesn't need a reminder. However, I do say happy valentines day to my christian friends if this makes them happy and doesn't make me less muslim.

[Soulless]

^ even if i was not muslim i dont think that i'll celebrate this day.

[jack]

No valentine for you ... :boo:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/LATimes_ReligiousPolice.jpg

[Soulless]

^ am too old for these things.

[ENEMY_OF_GURLZ]

A lot of people discuss about this, every year every time, and maybe we did discuss about it last year too.:rolleyes:

We all know that Christians celebrate Valentines day, and Muslims (the real one) are against it..I have some reasons that it's forbidden and screw muslims people who celebrates it! Screw ignorance!

kindly define the real one & not real one :rolleyes:

[Ayna]

although my days are all love days but on the 14th your dead lovers rises from the grave while muslims hate increases to self distract actions

^Moo hnak?? :rolleyes: (Say what?)

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I can't beleive hel mawal (this serenade) is still going on?

Seriously, kil wa7d thembo 3ala jmbo (everyone is the man of his actions)

It's up to you INDIVIDUALLY as to whether or not you want to celebrate Valentine's, your birthday or "Hug an arab day", or just stick to the two islamic Eids.
But for all it's worth, I don't recall seeing any verse/hadeeth in the Quraan that mentions anywhere why this might be haram. Please don't give out false preaches just because your mind thinks it's wrong.

How do people celebrate valentines day? By greeting their loved ones and maybe doing something as simple as going out for dinner with their spouse on that day. How is that Haram? Seriously. They can do that any other day can't they? So why not on Valentines?

I don't know about you guys but as for me, the only thing I DON'T do is what I shouldn't be doing, which is ofcourse what ALLAH defined as haram, those things can be found in the Quraan. (FYI y3ni)

w tara ma7d yda5el 7ad eljenna. Kl wa7d byt7asb ma3 3omro. (Everyone is in charge of his own actions)

So instead of giving out seminars of false preaches and utter contradictions; I suggest each one of you (Muslim and Non-muslim) do what you believe is right religion or personal wise, rather than verbally stabbing each other with your own beliefs.

You have nothing to prove to any one else but God, so keep doing what you're doing and God knows best. :)

[Sarz]

We shouldn't celebrate Tree Day or Teachers Day or World Health Day or Mother's Day or any day for that matter

Is haram haram haram!

[jack]

^

What ! You didn't get a card?

[ToomuchaT]

:PBUH: said (or in the meaning of it): "You shall follow the practices of those before you, inch by inch and mile by mile, to the degree that if they enter into the hole of a lizard, you will follow them."

( لتتبعن سنن من كان قبلكم حذوا القذة بالقذة شبر بشبر ذراع بذراع حتى لو دخلوا جحر ضب لدخلتموه )

[BrAiKi]

Its funny.
People need to know that saying that things are Haram while they're not is equivalent to when they say it's Halal when it's not!

[Khalid]

We shouldn't celebrate Tree Day or Teachers Day or World Health Day or Mother's Day or any day for that matter

Is haram haram haram!

You're comparing love with a tree? lol Love should be 24/7 not just for a day!!

and that's an offtopic anyways. open a thread for that


kindly define the real one & not real one :rolleyes:

Real one: Sheikh Khaleeli and others
Not real one: umm, the one who disagree with this fatwa maybe :D ?

[Russo_turisto]

You're comparing love with a tree? lol Love should be 24/7 not just for a day!!

and that's an offtopic anyways. open a thread for that



Real one: Sheikh Khaleeli and others
Not real one: umm, the one who disagree with this fatwa maybe :D ?

seems like many worthy collateral comments are off-topic to you.

[Jeff]

:)

It depends on what your sources are when it comes to fatwa's Jeff, but usually (and I'd certainly like to believe so) they are issued by people that are much more knowledgeable in Islam and its rulings than you and I (meaning the majority of people).

Sure, that's a reason to be cautious and respectful and to give a bit more trust to the scholars and a bit less to yourself.

But...if you find that what the scholars are saying makes no sense to you, then why not follow what makes sense to you?

Seems to me one can't just threaten hellfire to people who are being serious and honest and disagree.

That's all I meant.

[marianna]

Would be nice too Jeff if people were RESPECTFUL of our customs also...a good portion of Westerners look at V-Day as a day to celebrate love.

[UmKhalid]

Happy hug an arab day!

[ChezChez]

You're comparing love with a tree? lol Love should be 24/7 not just for a day!!

and that's an offtopic anyways. open a thread for that



Valentines is not about loving a person for that one day. It's just giving more attention to love and emphasizing it more. Tree day and Valentines day are the same. They are both holidays created to give attention into something. :D

[clouds]

valentine's day spread immorality in the society where a boy or a man can invade the privacy of an innocent girl or woman's life and tell her indirectly or directly that he wants to make unlawful relationship with her.

this is against the basic Muslims moralities and honour and values that's why I strongly reject the celebration of this day and I will not encourage any Muslim to celebrate it.

non muslims you know what I am talking about especially if you have teenage daughters and sons, and don't tell me you are not bothered about it.

[minerva]

lol that's why muslims don't drop numbers, don't do blootooth messaging, don't follow girls with their cars....
no they don't do any of that.

ask the sabla girls.

[clouds]

^^minerva what about making a blootooth day to celebrate every year???:):)

[minerva]

hey whatever floats your boat dear!

[Ayna]

valentine's day spread immorality in the society where a boy or a man can invade the privacy of an innocent girl or woman's life and tell her indirectly or directly that he wants to make unlawful relationship with her.

this is against the basic Muslims moralities and honour and values that's why I strongly reject the celebration of this day and I will not encourage any Muslim to celebrate it.
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Sorry but I beg to differ,

I'm not talking about muslims/non muslims, I'm just talking about individuals that you mentioned in your post that use this day for their benefit by taking advantage of someone else,

1) I highly doubt those guys need a certain "day" to "invade the privacy of an innocent girl", they would do it everyday, anyday, everywhere and anywhere as long as they get the chance to.
Why? Because those "individuals" you are reffering to in your scenario always have a sick "invasion" plan in the back of their heads and try to use it in the easiest, fastest way they can (Valentines or No valentines). On the contrary ofcourse to other "individuals" that are not as sick in the head, therefore Valentines won't "tempt" them to do anything wrong, instead they would spend it celebrating the one they love, Wait - hold that thought, that doesn't necessarily mean sex with their gfs in the back of their car in PDO beach, No, it means a husband and a wife going out for a romantic dinner (for example) OR a mother and daughter going out to an event. (Sorry Marianna, I had to use you as an example.)

2) "Invade the privacy of an Innocent girl".
Innocent? :o INNOCENT? :rolleyes:

How is a girl "innocent" if she allows the guy to "invade" her? How is she "innocent" if she opened up the doors to her "privacy" for him from the very start when she accepted to talk to him/get with him/etc?

How come no one invaded my privacy yet? (Sorry I have to use myself as an example to convey a point);
I've lived 19 valentine days till now and about a couple thousand normal days and till this very day no guy Muslim or non muslim, sick or not, perverted or non perverted, Valentine celebrator or not, managed to "invade my privacy" in ANY way possible.
But so many, and I repeat so many guys have infact invaded not only my privacy but my sense of comfort and confidence as a girl (and im sure this goes to many girls in Sabla as well) when I go out in public in my OWN country (Let alone other arab countries) as I directly get "invaded" by certain individuals of the opposite sex as they strip me off my clothes by their eyes/follow me home with their cars/verbally abuse the living daylight of me every time I go out in the street. theyla esh 5alo 7al valentines kan kthak? (What did they leave for V day if they did this everyday?)

I hope I made my point clear but If not, and to cut the story short, what I believe and know is right is that it doesn't take ONE day labeled as "Valentine's day" to encourage any individual no matter what religion/culture/etc to commit something WRONG.

If he/she were to do something wrong, than it's them to blame and not Valentines day is it.

Oh and one more thing, If you really beleive as a muslim that Valentines will encourage other Muslims to commit sins that Allah has forbidden, and if a tiniest thing like this can trigger the chances of them doubting their willpower and therefore doing something "Haram", than I think we really have a problem with those "Muslims?", don't we? :).

أهم شي النيـــــــة يقولولك

Intentions are always more powerful than actions.

[minerva]

gotta spread it ayna...

[clouds]

^^Ayna thanks for this very long reply but you made your point very clear.

may I ask you a question why do I need only such a special day to go out with my wife or family for dinner??

I can take them out every week if I want to.

I don't need valentine day to prove to my wife how much I love her in fact I tell her so almost every night when the kids are a sleep if you know what I mean:).

valentine's day I see it as an invasion to our homes as Muslims with all it's immoralities especially if you have teenage children like me.

Regards.

[marianna]

Amen Anya.....you're very wise for those years. Very wise.

No one is forcefully going into your home making you get your money to go buy anything on V-Day.....if you don't like a commercial on the tele adverting the day change it....I see things on the tele I don't like and I change it...it's called a remote.

Clouds if you think that way then why even have a National Day? Why not celebrate each and every day honoring one's country? Why pick a day to do that?

[lak47]

^

What ! You didn't get a card?

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8571/zidane5638179xj2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[IceTea]

:PBUH: said (or in the meaning of it): "You shall follow the practices of those before you, inch by inch and mile by mile, to the degree that if they enter into the hole of a lizard, you will follow them."

( لتتبعن سنن من كان قبلكم حذوا القذة بالقذة شبر بشبر ذراع بذراع حتى لو دخلوا جحر ضب لدخلتموه )

The Prophet :PBUH: warrned Muslims long time ago and it is happening.

Muslims today are big in number but they are weak because they are following shallow imported ideas such as this one. Some people might say this is simple act and not every day but the truth is that it is dragging Muslims away from their faith step by step like a snake that drops her skin until religion becomes a secondary in their life and not first periority and until they love this life and dislike the hereafter.

[Elvenblade]

a day cant be forbidden, its what you do in that day ...
a husband celebrating on that day with his wife cant be forbidden
giving a gift to your fiance on that day cant be forbidden

[lak47]

I think the Sabla shall be put under Sharia law soon :XD: That'll teach them!! :color:

[Soulless]

Happy hug an arab day!

Hi Um Khalid

Are You his mother ? :) :)



You're comparing love with a tree? lol Love should be 24/7 not just for a day!!

and that's an offtopic anyways. open a thread for that

Hi Khalid
And this is an offtopic is she your mother ? :):)

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Valentines day is over , i have nothing much to add. *vomits* :yuk:

[Khalid]

^ Off-topics should be deleted :D!

[3 a b d o o s h]

Hi Um Khalid

Are You his mother ? :) :)



Hi Khalid
And this is an offtopic is she your mother ? :):)

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Valentines day is over , i have nothing much to add. *vomits* :yuk:

Soulless, are you soul-less? :) :)

[minerva]

^ Off-topics should be deleted :D!
this is a offtopic comment.

[Khalid]

^ Yes right .. and yours too :p

(Oh this one too)