Do Muslims know Islam

[yellow sapphire]

oh people who keep talking about Islam,Islam and Islam.
Do u know Islam ? or just u know what is said by Rashid and by saeed and suliman and by blah blah blah.
I will be soon in Oman and insha Allah we will meet and discuss many things,but please when u discuss with me do not bring information from your father or mother,deal.I hope I am understood.

[Bimzoori]

Looking forward to your contributions Yellow :)

[Najah]

I hop that u wont judge Islam by Omani people But by real Muslims ,:confused:
And WElcome To OMAN,:D

[Precious]

yellw u should be carfull with the information u r given

i know a friend of mine who is american living in japan who wants to become a muslim. and my god what he is told about islam in japan by arabian muslim is un belivable they do mislead ppl by their nonsense really......

and he will keep asking me Qs about forbiden habits in islam that he sees muslim are practicing it...:(

there is a big biffrent between muslim and momin,,,,, is int it ?

[Bimzoori]

Precious, it is indeed a big problem.. many Muslims are around, but some are not practising and some are ignorant about their own religion and some are not representative of Islam at all.. I'm not saying there aren't good people around..there are.. yet so many peope get a bad picture of Islam b'coz of teh type of Muslims they mingle with..:(

[X-press]

Not all Muslims are good Muslims or know about their religions and the same applies to Christians, Jews or other religions...

[Arabian Princess]

The problem is that some muslims just concentrate on minor details and paint the picture as if Islam is all about those minor detials (ex. the beared, the short dishdasha and so on)
Islam is bigger than that .. Islam is a way of life in every movement you do. It starts by beleiving that Ashahadu An la ilalha ila Allah (here is no god but Allah) which has a big significat that beleiving is the most important aspect in Islam.

[yellow sapphire]

Dear Precious,
I am happy coz u r precious and i am yellow sapphire,do u know sapphire is a precious stone.
any way,the problem muslims do not follow quran but they follow what is said by Saeed and Rashid and Ahmed and Yaqoob as if Allah told us in Quran to follow these people.that is the main problem.
if muslims follow Quran they will not say Rashid and Khamees but they will say Allah and Mohammed peace be upon him.

[patriot]

if muslims don't know Islam then they are not muslims no longer, any body can know anything they want to know but do they believe in that, do they practice what they know...?

when you pray you don't pray because you parents told you, you should pray because there inside of you, you belive that this is the right way, this is the right path that i should follow.
you should go search for what you belive in, now let me ask all of you,
why are you a muslim(if you are one)..? why do you pray..? why..? why..? is it because parents are muslims so you became one..?are you sure that Islam is the right religion...? for me i would say yes, according to my researches, and my knowledge (the knowledge i learned not i inhereted) it is the right religion...

[Precious]

yellow sapphire becoz of me thats why u r precious ;p;p am glad that we r here to light the room :)

any how back to our topic, regadless to the odl friend of mine who lives in japan, once he was told by those silly muslims who lives there in japan he told him that the girl u r talking to her she is very bad which mean(...............) otherwise she woudnt talk to u. my friend tryed to convince them that am goood;p and he knows all my family he even invited me and my family to visit his family but still those silly who i wish one day to put them in goniya and sale them with saridin fish. they always ruin his mind with silly things about islam and the guy really intrested in isalm

alh yaster walh now i gave him some site to visit and read instead meeting those shaikh shakhan zamanhom

[yellow sapphire]

Dear patriot,
we are praying because it is mention in quran but see how do we pray,this group is praying different than the other group,why?
because quran did not explain how to pray,quran just mention to pray.although praying is "3amood aldeen" i really do not know why it is not mentioned in quran.sometimes i read quran and i really get stopped because there is no explaination.sometimes quran talking about one story and suddenly jump to another story.i do not know how and why this happen.then people how they collect quran like this,why alfati7ah came number one although it did not come first.why surat albaqarah came number 2 in quran although it is not the second.how they collect it ,i do not know.

<font color=red>Dear patriot</font>
what research u r talking about.your research is not mention in quran so how u will say it is right.u only got this information from people,from Salim and Saeed and Rashid...etc that is it.

we really have to bring some people who r saying that they r "3olama" and we sit with them and discuss.this topics have to be cleared,other wise it will be very big problem.something have to be done right now and fast.

[abu Suleiman]

I fully agree that we have to study our religion Islam.
But precious asked a very good question. Is there any diffrences between muslim and momin???
There is no difference between muslim and momin. how?
Once you r a muslim so you must be a momin.
Like our prophet Loot as he is mentioned in Quran with his family, please read in Surat a Dhariat the 2 verses 35 and 36.

[samy]

Najah … I do not like to miss-understand u cuz it was clear to me on different occasions that we share a common thoughts regarding answering those intruders( some.. not all are. ) .. whom u know and I do as everybody knows dose know..…
But I was really astonished to hear from u this sentence “ I hop u will not judge Islam on Omani Muslims .. but a real Muslim” so before me giving my reply I would like to hear from u your point of view or your correction regarding the above statement …. I know u meant to say the true part .. but maybe u missed the way…
A.P I wish u had completed the statement of the holly declare of Islamic identity “ ASH HADU AN LAA ELAAHA ELAA ALAAH WA ASH HADU ANNA MOHAMMAD RASOOL ALAAH” … “ I hereby declare that there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger “
Waiting to hear your reply najaah … cuz it really matters

[abu Suleiman]

My dear bro and sisters,

Have ever heard abut (al Monafiqoon).
This group was in the time of our Great Prophet Mohamed (PBUH),
but did he made any harshness on them? Of course no because he wants to set a good practice for all muslims in all times.
So if these people are found in early time of Islam what could u say if u see them amongst us.
Any good muslim beleives in Allah and in His Prophet Mohamed must to practice every thing that he can tolerate.
But he must tolerate Salah, sawm, zakah if he has the amount and haj if he has the effort to performe it.
He has to be tolerated to respect his parents, neighbours and all people. and so on.
U may find bearded man but he is not talking properly, he lies or he disrespect his parents, but this person is not typical example for all bearded muslims, then we have to be careful otherwise we would be distracting or community.

[Bimzoori]

Originally posted by abu Suleiman

U may find bearded man but he is not talking properly, he lies or he disrespect his parents, but this person is not typical example for all bearded muslims, then we have to be careful otherwise we would be distracting or community.

exactly AbuSulaiman..exactly..

and teh same goes for Muslim women wearing the headscarf (hijab) especially those living in the west...Muslims are very eaisly identified by what they wear, this is why it is very important to be a good representative of Islam, and to show the world the good teachings of Islam..it is a very big resposibity, as any mistake from you would end up being a generalization of the whole Muslim nation..

[IceTea]

Originally posted by yellow sapphire
Dear patriot,
we are praying because it is mention in quran but see how do we pray,this group is praying different than the other group,why?
because quran did not explain how to pray,quran just mention to pray.although praying is "3amood aldeen" i really do not know why it is not mentioned in quran.sometimes i read quran and i really get stopped because there is no explaination.sometimes quran talking about one story and suddenly jump to another story.i do not know how and why this happen.then people how they collect quran like this,why alfati7ah came number one although it did not come first.why surat albaqarah came number 2 in quran although it is not the second.how they collect it ,i do not know.

<font color=red>Dear patriot</font>
what research u r talking about.your research is not mention in quran so how u will say it is right.u only got this information from people,from Salim and Saeed and Rashid...etc that is it.

we really have to bring some people who r saying that they r "3olama" and we sit with them and discuss.this topics have to be cleared,other wise it will be very big problem.something have to be done right now and fast.

From what u said it means that u don't belieive in sunnah "hadeeth" thus u don't beleive in profet Mohammed (PBUH) so how can u be a muslim ??

[yellow sapphire]

IceTea

why r u against me

[yellow sapphire]

be careful it is PBUH not BPUH

[IceTea]

Originally posted by yellow sapphire
IceTea

why r u against me

I'm not against u, but what u wrote previously means what I have said unless I understood u wrongly.

And thanx for the correction.

[yellow sapphire]

:) welcome

[abu Suleiman]

Dears,
We came muslims because Allah has sent His Glorious Messenger Syidana Mohamed sala Allah alaihi wa salam (peace be upon him PBUH), who fulfilled the message to all mankind in his time and before he dies he gave this message to his followers to take over spreading it throughout the whole land, who they surely did.
And then Islam received by people from the people, who came before them in whole without any changes. We pray as they pray and we do all pillars as they are mentioned in Quran and Sunnah before by the Prophet PBUH.
Yes Prayers mentioned in Quran brief but Allah has given the job of describing them to His Messenger Mohamed PBUH.
The Prophet PBUH has described them clearly moreover he was praying in front of them.
MY DEARS, even u have heard there are some Hadeeths are false or weak but that doesn't mean that we have to loose trust in the Sunnah. WE HAVE to remember that SUnnah is the second source after Quran for Islamic teachings.
Many scohlars, praise to God, have made this clear eg Shaikh Said al Qanooby may Allah bless him.
Tell me now what do u think?:)

[IceTea]

abu Suleiman thanx for the explanation and I fully agree with all what u have said, in simple words quran and sunnah complete each other.

I hope Yellow sapphire understand what you have mentioned, cuz I can see that he thinks every single detail should be mentioned in the Quran, which I find it strange.

[Bimzoori]

You are right Abu Suleiman..infact, we are oredered in the Quran to follow our Prophet's teachings..I cannot recall the verse right now, but I'll post it once I find it..
The Quran came with general teachings, and the prophet taught us the explanations and methodologies of how to apply the verses in our daily lives..
The easiest is example is teh prayers..In the Quran, we are ordered to pray..but where did we learn how to pray?? From the Sunnah..
And I believe our scholars have done a great job compiling the strong ahadeeth and the weak ones, etc..

[yellow sapphire]

abu Suleiman,
can i discuss something with u and only with u,i want the other to be the readers please.
is it allowed or no for

[yellow sapphire]

abu Suleiman
u mentioned Shaikh Said al Qanooby ,both of us,u and me know that this shaikh is not Allah and is not rasool.so he is not ma3soom,right.
i want u to ask him and i think it is possible for u to ask.just ask him about hadeeth(might be right and might be wrong).the hadeeth is saying:ali m3a laquran wa alquran m3a ali,la yaftariqa 7atta yareda 3liia al7oth.
ask him if this hadeeth is right from Mohammed peace be upon him or no.if he said the hadeeth is from Mohammed peace be upon him,i will continue with u.
thanks alot.i hope i am not giving u difficult work to do.

[abu Suleiman]

Dear yellow sapphire,

Ok, I'll try to ask the Sheikh.
But u have mentioned that sheikh is not maasoom, and say yes he is not maasoom.
And he is not Allah, I say yes he isnot.
But what about u.........
That hadeeth who has narrated it.
Allah or a man.
And u r buting conditions to seek haqeeqahotherwise and u wont listen unless I agree with u, whether u r wrong or right.
In our time now who is going to solve problems like hadeeths ranks, who will say this is right and that is wrong SINCE u r not trusting scholars.
SO r u waiting Allah to show something else than muslims have seen since more than 14 century.

I Respect Ali ibn abi Talib radhiy Allah anho, so dont get me wrong.

[Najah]

Salam 3alaikum muslims!
samy :) I really couldnt find exactly what u ment or how u got missunderstood in my sentence! As i said I hop that u wont judge Islam by Omani people But by real Muslims Maybe i did something wrong but we are here to learn if not then i should quit!
And i want to make clear about my sentence cause i ment a simple thing that were discussed by members in this thread.As i did mean from it that when Y-S comes here to oman like he said and as his Question was Do Muslims know islam?and he was like am coming to Oman to know if u people know about islam!? or am wrong here again?!never mind what i was trying to say is many people here in Oman and in every where do not practice islam like it should be like other members mentiond!
I think i wasnt suppose to say real muslims because i shouldnt have judged as if i knew if they were real or notreal! but i was talking about general! never be specific!
3al3mo0om mafi7ad ma3so0m 3anil'3ala6 brother Samy and if i did something wrong u Should emmidiatly stop me and correct me, cause of ifada!cause i try my best always to be in here.
Waiting for ur correcton samy. and am so happy that u did read and noticed!

[samy]

That was cool najah .. as i expected exactly . u will get my point and u will understand it ( maakhaybtee thanee )
yes i meant to say the word real ..reflects that a majority of the omani r not a real muslims .. which i was sure u did not mean it.
cool najaah .. and we will be a ware of those whom r trying to play a round ... keep up

[Najah]

Thanx samy for paying attention,
As many people dont pay attenitong for small things,
hmm never mind i'll make the thread free for YS and abusulaiman to have their thread here as YS wants to be alone withAS

[abu Suleiman]

Dears najah ,samy and others,
No please I didnt say that I want to be alone with YS.
Please continue participating in this thread and give your view.
I think this sabla is the right place to express our feelings and views.
Anyway I will reply to YS, but in meantime please to not hasitate to enlighten us with your ideas and views.:) :) :) :) :) :)

[Najah]

Am conmfuced here!
Are u Y-S in Oman or not?!!?!?!?!
This thread tells me that u r out of oman! the other threads appears tome that u r in oman! can u please tell me where are u! as the other thread is imam masjid!

[Don Khaled]

yellow sapphire, atleast 90% of the muslim population don't really know islam correctly. They just get used to praying, not doing this, wearing hijab and so on. This is really sad.

[samy]

Go on Doon teach us our religion
that is what is left .. 90% .. based on your own statistics or u have done a cohort study to know ....

[Don Khaled]

Samy, teach you your religion? Islam ain't your religion only just for your information.

Just to wake up Samy, did you know that around 15% of india are muslims? Did you know that Bangledish has over 85% of it's population muslims? Did you know that Afghanistan has mosty islam?

Do you want me to remind you that 15% of 1 billion population of india will equal to around 150 million muslims, and Bangledish has around 150 million population, and around 100 million of them are muslums.

here you go, and most of them are uneducated and don't know jack about thier religion. So just be realistic and no need to get mad.

Its not my own statistics, you can do your own research and will get the exact figures.

You can start with your research at http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html . Good luck.

[samy]

hii yaa doon...Before wasting my time in answering an illiterate like u I would like to know what kind of religion u practice ( if u have any)…cuz it does matter
Regarding our brother and sisters in those countries u mentioned and those are really suffering from the enemy of all humanity… they do understand that we r the leaders and the ones who have the responsibility of carrying the mission tell the end of the life …. So we do not need some idiot like u to tell us that 90% of us know nothing about our religion.
What is behind your hatreds ..i do not know….

[Don Khaled]

Originally posted by samy
hii yaa doon...Before wasting my time in answering an illiterate like u I would like to know what kind of religion u practice ( if u have any)…cuz it does matter
Regarding our brother and sisters in those countries u mentioned and those are really suffering from the enemy of all humanity… they do understand that we r the leaders and the ones who have the responsibility of carrying the mission tell the end of the life …. So we do not need some idiot like u to tell us that 90% of us know nothing about our religion.
What is behind your hatreds ..i do not know….

Samy, as said before, whats wrong in telling the truth? I did not attack islam, and did not say anything wrong about it. I just told you some facts. You can not always live under your books and make yourself believe such stuff.

You sound VERY ashamed that I mentioned the truth. Just take it easy ! I ain't attacking any religion here.

Ya jama3aaa, 7ad yimsuk samy o yahadi a3saabu, shakulu bay6ee7. Yakhee moo qaloolak, jay ana a'7rab el sum3a hina?

[Don Khaled]

I am pretty sure SAMY think i am english! haha.

[samy]

Look i was so up set a bout what u said .. do not blame me but i think what u said and now saying is sarahaa intolerable ..and instead of changing your mind u still saying " your books " i am not a shameful from what u said .. not at all .. see only the truth is attacked by guys like u ..and i do not care who u r i am just relying your offensive statements .... i am the first i will remain so .. we r the leader of the world civilisation .. u know and they do .... that is what is burning your heart dear Doooon ... do not try to be cleaver and so sure ... cuz it is clear that u have no background to start with ..... so if u r not muslim then i thin k it is better to say and that is only to justify your anti- Muslim thoughts ..(insha alaah raah yekheeb thaneek u and all those who r aiming the same .. remember the one who is talking to u is holding the best 4 international degrees from the best 2 international universities ... u never dream to pass through their gates even ( I am saying this just for your own knowledge)
so whenever u talk try to talk something serious and beneficial for all including u and do not try to make a bizarre point just to be known and noticed by others ..salam yaa Dooooon

[Don Khaled]

La illaaah illah allah! Why do you think i am burning from inside! Why do you think I was offensive. Comon, don't be stubborn. It is REALLY SAD to see most of them don't know thier religion!!! And this is TRUE. There are MANY who are muslims JUST on passport!! They do NOT even practise it. So what the hell are you talking about? Please think about it more serious. I am really serious about my religion and very sad of what i see around me. People dieing in palestian, and NONE of their arab countries are helping them. Do you call that real islam?? Do you call Saudi arabia really a good muslim country by just sending some money and doing nothing to palestian?

You really didn't get me, and you thought I am making fun of my own religion ! ****, some people don't even know how to discuss stuff.

[abu Suleiman]

Don,

I'm realy seeing that new generation is waking up towards his religion. They have good start of practicing it in the way to seek Allah mercy and forgiveness.

please correct a word in your signature.
Maybe you want to say focused which means pinted at which light or sound waves converge.

[MoonChild]

Originally posted by samy
remember the one who is talking to u is holding the best 4 international degrees from the best 2 international universities ...

Well aren't you special.
How come you can't write like an educated person, if you are one?

[Thug4Life]

I smell shifting from the purpouse of this Topic to personal levels here ;)
keep up the good spirit of benifit and healthy discussion...
ALl....2 all not to some one in sepcific

[samy]

welcome back moonchild.. i thought u said u r not gonna read my postings... well thank u for changing your mind ...

writing like an educated person.... that is a cool comment. but i am not gonna be the educated one u ( or others) want .. it is over .. did not u relies that the sixties were over .. and those kind of accepted educated followers of yours are not anymore there dear .. wake-up..i will give u the answers i want and not the one u want ..and u pretending to be democratic well-educated person should listen to all and be patient enough to read all and not prefer to hear what makes u happy ..... right?? coool moonchild .. be coool... u r hear for a long time as i knew from u .. so u should expect others new members to know u well and try to answer u well too....
nice to hear from u a gain... i am really pleased moonchild .. so be patient with me .. coool ..
take care

[IceTea]

Ok I will bring everybody back to the main subject :)

The question that should be asked do muslims practice Islam and not do muslims know Islam. An example all muslims know that drinking wine is "haram" but still many are drinking it. Another one all muslims know that prayer is the most important thing for a muslim and this piller is the one which distinguish muslim from "kafer" but still many not praying (and they call themselv's muslims !!!) or praying but not in the right way.

[Don Khaled]

IceTea, Thank you ! That's what exactly I wanted to say.

[Bimzoori]

:) Thnx IceTea for bring back the topic, as it seems we have drifted way away from the topic..

[Mr Tickle]

Although the heartland of Islam has its origins in the Middle East and the Arabian peninsula, the four largest populations of Muslims are convert peoples to Islam and are non-Arabs and not in the Middle East—Indonesia, India, Bangladesh and Pakistan, representing 43 percent of Muslim peoples

[ALhaq]

How about me I want to participation with you in this sabla first thing aslam alykm waramat Allah wbarkato, I want to answer to this Q do Muslim know Islam?
My grand father Muslim, my father Muslim and all my family are in Islam, I studied quran when I was children, I know many things about Islam, but all of this I feel lack I live around environment know Islam, I am not deny we are practice roll of Islam for ex wear hajab and abaya and pray five time in day and men are going to the masjed every time we make it just like traditional without deep thinking of Allah without meditation so I think it will be easy for evil to enter inside us and play, I live in village but when I came to town to complete my study I saw many thing wrong I saw many kinds of people walk back money and worldly existence, I had many way to full in that bad ways but thanx for Allah, I found good friends to direct me to straightway and also me( thanx for Allah ) I directed my friends to good way ,so I think there is good friend and bad also .Muslim know Islam as non muslin know it but we ignoring it , my brother put this in your mind if we are praying in good way as (alsahaba) prophet(peace be upon him) and read and study quran all things will be ok (in sha Allah) in that away Allah will open for us beneficent door and happy , by the way if the Muslim ignoring salah he will be likes non Muslim may be worse than non Muslim because the different between Muslim and non Muslim leaving salah , so if you do practice you will know Islam but if you ignoring it ,it will ignoring you and Allah will close your heart.
Dawakm alsaleha))

[yellow sapphire]

Do Muslims know Islam?
this question is very important and i am sorry for myself first and then i am sorry for the others.From the beginning we r not taught to use quran and our brains to understand Islam.we are taught what this man is wearing and what that man is eating and how the other man is walking.
we left the quran aside and keep searching for what khamees has said and what Rashid was eating and how he was eating.

<b><font color=red>how many days alsyidah Fatimah 3aliha alsalam live after the death of her father Mohammed peace be upon him?</font></b>

does any one know the answer,coz the answer is not in the quran so does any one know the answer and why she died,what was the reason of her death?

ya sob7an Allah,what is going on with u people what is going on.

[Najah]

YS what is wrong with u!
I mean if ur surounded with people that doesnt know anything about what their religoun is or if u've been raised by the way u've been raised then i want to make sure for u that walhamdulila I'm living in a place that i can see GOOD MUslim people that knows EXAactly what Islam is about!
And please dont judge by general and dont judge by the way u view people!
If u didnt have the chance to meet those GOOD MUSLIMS THat knows Islam well then perdon me cause i did SEE and Met!
3al3mo0m YS i really hope that u work on with ur self WELL and try to do like what sa7aba did and then feel SOry for others!
And forgive me if i was wrong in something!

[yellow sapphire]

Originally posted by najah
try to do like what sa7aba did and then feel SOry for others!
And forgive me if i was wrong in something!

<h4><font color=blue>i do not want to do what sa7abah did and i do not want to know even.
just i want to know what our prophet peace be upon him did,coz i love our prophet and i do not want to know anything about sa7abah.</font></h4>

[Najah]

Whatever u say dear :o

[yellow sapphire]

Originally posted by ALhaq


you dont want to do what sahaba did ,sahaba did like prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) did ,if you like pearson you have to love his friends ,sahaba are great than as you think.so if you realy love prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) you have to love them.:confused:

If Salim did something,then Khamees and Rashid did the same thing why should i do what Khamees and Rashid did.i do what Salim did and end the story.
If Salim is ma3soom but Khamees and Rashid r not,what is better to do what Salim did or what Khamees and Rashid did ?

unless u want to say that Khamees and Rashid r also ma3soom!

[yellow sapphire]

sorry i do not know why my answer came before your question

[ALhaq]

i do not want to do what sa7abah did and i do not want to know even.
just i want to know what our prophet peace be upon him did,coz i love our prophet and i do not want to know anything about sa7abah.


you dont want to do what sahaba did ,sahaba did like prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) did ,if you like pearson you have to love his friends ,sahaba are great than as you think.so if you realy love prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) you have to love them.:confused:

[yellow sapphire]

ALhaq
waiting for your reply please

[Arabian Princess]

YS,
can i reply instead of him?
well if you met Khamees and Rashid, and you saw that they did a good act and u did not and will not get the chance to meet Salim (who happned to be the person who taught Rashid and Khamees) wouldnt u do like them because you saw it from them??? the same thing applies to Sahaba.
Sahaba (compnaions of the prophet) went to teach Islam to far regions (example Prophet did not ever come to Oman) and they were teaching what the prophet taught them to do. The prophet wouldnt have taught them unless he is positive that they are eligibale to do so.
If you heared that a sahabi did soemthing against the QUran then definatly whatever he did is not right. but we are talking here about the good sahaba who were followers of the prophet.

[Arabian Princess]

Originally posted by yellow sapphire
<b><font color=red>how many days alsyidah Fatimah 3aliha alsalam live after the death of her father Mohammed peace be upon him?</font></b>


so what of people dont know? did you mean that we dont know our religion because we dont know an inflrmation like this?
sorry YS, but I dont think that Islam is about such information about this!!!

[yellow sapphire]

Arabian Princess
do u want to say no one knows about the daughter of our prophet.
or may be she is not important for us.may be she got headache and then she died.may be she got too much of feaver then she died.may be she had bala3eem then she died may be and may be and may be but why no one is saying the answer,why people do not tell us the truth,why people r trying to hide this information about us,what is their aim.do they do not want us to know the truth.
what happened to alsiydah Fatimah 3aliha alsalam.

[yellow sapphire]

Arabian Princess
r Khamees and Rashid ma3someen from making mistakes

[ALhaq]

if that thing salim did right so k & R did like him naturally we will do like them bcoz all of that thing is one thing if Salim prayed after that k & R prayed in the end salah which they did is same .my brother you have to know all of things came from Allah, so prophets were messengers and sahaba did like prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) for ex Abu Bakr the first Caliph and Umar . as you know prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) is example in actions ,so when he died sahaba saw his actions
so how can I pray without see his actions in pray .
my father teach me pray , my grand father teach my father …. And …and in this way .. prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) said ÕáæÇ ßãÇ ÑÃíÊãæäí ÇÕáí
pray as you saw me prayed , so who saw prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) when he prayed ?certainly sahaba , so you have to do as sahaba if you want aright way in pray.


all things is right if my q come first or not .but realy i am sorry about salim, khamees and ,Rashed all of them peaple like us
They had and have mistake, in otherwise you cant compare between them and sahaba.

[ALhaq]

how many days alsyidah Fatimah 3aliha alsalam live after the death of her father Mohammed peace be upon him?


six month

[Arabian Princess]

YS,
we did not say that Fatma Alyiha Alsalam is not important, please dont brign words into my mouth. I said that Islam is not about who did this and who did that. If She was dead by a headach or so then Ramat Allah alyiha .. May Alllah grant her Heaven Inshallah. but thats not important in Islam, it is not the question to ask people who want to know Islam. Plus, how did u know how did she die? isnt is kamees and rashid who told u that? how can u beleive what khamees and rashid said??????

ys, the focal point here is that history is something passed and the truth passed with it. We should work in buliding our future with a strong ISLAM.

[yellow sapphire]

Originally posted by Arabian Princess
YS,
we did not say that Fatma Alyiha Alsalam is not important, please ys, the focal point here is that history is something passed and the truth passed with it. We should work in buliding our future with a strong ISLAM.

al7amdulillah,u said it at the end the history is something passed and the truth passed with it.

i join this sablah from the begining to proof what u have just said history is something passed and the truth passed with it.

[yellow sapphire]

Originally posted by ALhaq
how many days alsyidah Fatimah 3aliha alsalam live after the death of her father Mohammed peace be upon him?


six month

please did some one ask why she died and she was young.did some one ask about this or no one wants to know.

[yellow sapphire]

Originally posted by ALhaq
, so you have to do as sahaba if you want aright way in pray.


but r they ma3soomin from making mistakes.

[yellow sapphire]

Originally posted by Arabian Princess
YS,
but thats not important in Islam, it is not the question to ask people who want to know Islam. Plus, how did u know how did she die? isnt is kamees and rashid who told u that? how can u beleive what khamees and rashid said??????


according to <font color=red>ALhaq</font> Khamees and Rashid
r following Salim .so let me start:
the problem here Khamees and Rashid who r following Salim according to <font color=red>ALhaq</font> have said that Fatima 3aliha alsalam said "sa ad3o 3alika dobora kuli salat ya aba bikr".

Khamees and Rashid said that abo bikr said"" a3otho bil Allah min 3'athabi Allah wa a3otho bil Allah min 3'athaboki ya Fatimah.

Khamees and Rashid who r following Salim <font color=red>ALhaq</font> said that abo bikr said after he saw a bird on a tree "hanian laka yatir la 7isab wa la 3iqab,litani konto shajara famrra 3a alia jamel fa akelni thomma akharajani ba3arah".
<font color=red>why he was getting scared to made him wish that he was ba3arah.</font>

Khamees and Rashid how r following Salim according to <font color=red>ALhaq</font> said:
Othman was not good in his second half from his life and Allah is seeing me,i have heard a tape in Oman that alshaikh alkhaleeli has spoken about this.and he said that alabadiyah and some people from other madhab r saying about Othman and he mention bad things about Othman(forgive me if i made any mistake please coz i get scared from mistakes like this) and he spoke about the way when his body was taken to the tomb.

so now i am asking <font color=red>ALhaq</font> ,did Khamees and Rashid did what Salim did?

[yellow sapphire]

and who knows Khamees and Rashid change the Islam before bringing it to us or they did not change it.

[Arabian Princess]

YS,
Abu Bakar was the first one who beleived in Prophet MOhammed (peace be upon him) he was the second Chaliph, so actions he is taken is quite relaibale coz they are actions coming out from Prophet MOhmmed (peace be upon him).
I dont know what your discussion is leading to, but definatly nothing related to wether people know Islam or not because Islam is not something Abu Bakar did, or Ali or even Othman!

[Mr Tickle]

Do Wahabis know Islam?

Do Salafis know Islam?

[yellow sapphire]

mr pinnochio
nice to see your name again after long time mr pinnochio

that is the main problem in Islam(i hope i am not making mistake by this sentance).
the problem we do not have Quran only but we have hadeeth also.this will not be a problem if Allah protects hadeeth like He protect Quran and really I do not now why He did not(i hope i am not making mistake again) or He protects it and we do not know and we will come again and ask Do muslims know Quran?

[samy]

yaakhee ay mistaken ... u mess the whole thing up. u r questioning alaah why he did or did not ... who r u man ... plz do not let me get u wrong .. i think u have to correct wht u said a gain.. or prove your point ... u r putting the quran .. as a future questionable book.. what the hell is that ....i hope u relise what u have done .. tell us a bout it ..

[ALhaq]

Alhamdo lelah coz sent for us prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) to explain alshare3h , and sent for us people are integrity and trustworthiness to keep hadeeth
From any one want to play .
When prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) sent M3th to Uaman he told him “wherewith you will judge?“ he said “ by Quran “prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) said”if don’t found “,he said : by sana prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) said if don’t found? He said : my opinion
ÞÇá ÊÚÇáì :[ íÇ ÃíåÇ ÇáÐíä ÃãäæÇ ÃØíÚæÇ Çááå æÃØíÚæÇ ÇáÑÓæá æÃæáí ÇáÃãÑ ãäßã ]
(forgive me if i made any mistake please coz i get scared from mistakes like this)
Allah can able to keep Quran ,also Allah can able to keep Sana by trusted people like ubn Alqaym, ubn Taymyah ,Abu Bakr Alsayoty and Alshokani …and other .
just prophets m3somoon to make mistakes.

[yellow sapphire]

Originally posted by yellow sapphire
will come again and ask Do muslims know Quran?

ops sorry i made a mistake i wanted to say Do muslims know Islam?

[yellow sapphire]

Originally posted by ALhaq
trusted people like ubn Alqaym, ubn Taymyah ,Abu Bakr Alsayoty and Alshokani …and other .
just prophets m3somoon to make mistakes.

wow new names will be added to Khamees and Rashid.

my dear these names r not ma3soomeen so how we know what they r saying is right or no.that is my point,i do not know how i explain more,may be my english is not that good :(

[yellow sapphire]

Please do not misunderstand me people

[IceTea]

Y-S are u protected (ma3soom) from making mistakes.

[yellow sapphire]

NO

[yellow sapphire]

ÇáÑÇÈÚ: Ãäå ãÎÇáÝ áÍÏíË (ÃãÑÊ Ãä ÃÞÇÊá ÇáäÇÓ ÍÊì íÔåÏæÇ Ãä áÇ Çáå ÅáÇ Çááå æÇä ãÍãÏÇ ÑÓæá Çááå¡ ÝÇä åã ÝÚáæÇ Ðáß ÝÞÏ ÚÕãæÇ ãäí ÏãÇÁåã æÃãæÇáåã ÅáÇ ÈÍÞ ÇáÅÓáÇã ¡ æÍÓÇÈåã Úáì Çááå) æÞÏ äÕ ÛíÑ æÇÍÏ ãä ÇáÚáãÇÁ Úáì Ãäå ÍÏíË ãÊæÇÊÑ.

i copy this from Arabic Sablah.
in this case i have a question,why khalid bin alwaleed killed Malik bin Naweerah when abo bakar sent him to bring zakat after He(abo bakar)became alkhaleefah and Mlik did not give zakat.
may i know the answer please.we have to use some logic to reach to right thing,otherwise we are not going to reach to anything and may be some people there who do not want us to know the right Islam.
shall we divide Islam into right Islam and not right Islam.

[Arabian Princess]

a question:
is malik bin nuwaerah story is all about Islam?!
YS, dont confuse questions, if you want to prove a point about abu baker and Omar (rathia allah anhum) then dont ask it that they are the ones who created Islam. They are people like me and you, but they were trusted from the prophet peace be upon him. Moreover, not what they say is considered Islam, is what is in the Quran, Sunnah, Ijmaa (consensus of scholars) and Qias (anology).

I dont know why do you drift away from the main topic of this thread.!