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Ahmad Deedat
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Born in the Surat district of India in 1918, Ahmed Hoosen Deedat had no recollection of his father until 1926. His father a tailor by profession had emigrated to South Africa shortly after the birth of Ahmed Deedat.
With no formal education and fighting off the extreme pangs of poverty, he went to South Africa in 1927 to be with his father. His farewell to his mother in India in 1927 was the last time he saw her alive for she passed away a few months later.
In a foreign land, a boy of nine with no formal schooling and command of the English language began preparing for the role he was to play decades later without realizing it.
Applying himself with diligence to his studies, the little boy not only was able to overcome the language barrier but excelled in school. His avid passion for reading helped him gain promotions until he completed standard 6. Lack of finance interrupted his schooling and at the early age of about 16 he took on the first of many jobs in retailing.
The most significant of these was in 1936 where he worked at a Muslim owned store near a Christian seminary on the Natal South Coast. The incessant insults of the trainee missionaries hurled against Islam during their brief visits to the store infused a stubborn flame of desire within the young man to counteract their false propaganda.
As fate would have it, Ahmed Deedat discovered by pure chance a book entitled Izhar-ul-Haq, meaning The Truth Revealed. This book recorded the techniques and enormous success of the efforts of Muslims in India in turning the tables against Christian missionary harassment during the British subjugation and rule of India. In particular the idea of holding debates had a profound effect on Ahmed Deedat.
Armed with this new found zeal, Ahmed Deedat purchased his first Bible and began holding debates and discussions with the trainee missionaries. When they beat a hasty retreat in the face of his incisive counter arguments, he personally called on their teachers and even priests in the surrounding areas.
These successes spurred Ahmed Deedat in the direction of Da'wah. Not even his marriage, birth of children and a 3 year sojourn to Pakistan after its independence dampened his enthusiasm or dulled his desire to defend Islam from the deceitful distortions of the Christian missionaries.
With missionary zeal to project the Truth and beauty of Islam, Ahmed Deedat immersed himself into a host of activities over the next three decades. He conducted classes on Bible studies and gave numerous lectures. He established the As-Salaam, an institute to train propagators of Islam. He together with his family, almost single-handedly erected the buildings including the masjid whih is still a landmark today.
He was a founder member of the Islamic Propagation Centre International (IPCI) and became its President for a while. He has published over 20 books and distributed millions of copies free of charge. He has delivered thousands of lectures all over the world and successfully engaged Christian Evangelists in public debates. Several thousand people have come into the fold of Islam as a result of these efforts.
In a fitting tribute to this monumental achievement, he was awarded the King Faisal International award in 1986, a prestigious recognition of enormous value in the world of Islam.
No number of awards and honours can truly capture the man's essence and zeal for Islam.
May Allah (SWT) bless him for all his efforts for Islam, Insh'Allah!
"He was a founder member of the Islamic Propagation Centre International (IPCI) and became its President, a position he stills hold today."
Really ?
Unless they now allow people to remain the President from their graves.
"He was a founder member of the Islamic Propagation Centre International (IPCI) and became its President, a position he stills hold today."
Really ?
Unless they now allow people to remain the President from their graves.
i like your smile buddy
Deedat, A great Man indeed.
May Allah (SWT) bless him for all his efforts for Islam, Insh'Allah.
Wudjab shut up.
Deedat, A great Man indeed.
May Allah (SWT) bless him for all his efforts for Islam, Insh'Allah.
Wudjab shut up.
its not good to do that , he had a point and he is free to express it
thank you for your words about Mr.deedat
The greater contemporary debater. Those who stood with him on stand feared him like Zebras fear Lions!
May he rest in peace :)
FAITH86
01-01-09, 04:25 PM
Muhammed in the bible series of debate is the best by Shiekh Ahmed Deedat. May his soul rest in peace..
Threadlike
01-01-09, 07:27 PM
He had some interesting debates though I did not like his style in all of them. He was a fantastic debater though...May his soul rest in peace.
Interesting thread. I read about him - not much - but he did something worth appreciating his name.
DODY - Source is needed here - Thanks
Interesting thread. I read about him - not much - but he did something worth appreciating his name.
DODY - Source is needed here - Thanks
http://ahmeddeedat1.hyves.nl/
One of the best mashalah.May God bless him
Pablo Escobar
02-01-09, 11:58 PM
A real hero....check his videos on youtube
Did Mr. Deedat ever lose a debate with a Christian?
No way. He always made them speechless
Superbia
03-01-09, 10:35 PM
Never heard of him.
Soulless
03-01-09, 11:07 PM
^you will enjoy his debates give it a shot.
Pinturicchio
04-01-09, 01:43 AM
He was a great Debater... He really knew wht he was talkin about... My only take on him was that sometimes his debates would be a lil too intimidating for Christians which meant that even after he proved 'em wrong, he wouldnt get their support.
Did Mr. Deedat ever lose a debate with a Christian?
No way. He always made them speechless
Well, I like old Deedat, he was a fine gentleman.
But no everyone agrees with you. Christian sites link to his debates and sell the videos, so I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder. :p
He was a great Debater... He really knew wht he was talkin about... My only take on him was that sometimes his debates would be a lil too intimidating for Christians which meant that even after he proved 'em wrong, he wouldnt get their support.
I think Threadlike is right and you are right in saying that he was a fine debater, which is different from being right.
I've never found any of his arguments persuasive, though they are thought provoking and excellent fodder for discussion.
Still, it's impossible not to like him, even when you caught him "cheating"...saying silly things that no one could really believe such as that he had never been able to find any Christian who could explain what "begotten" meant in the Gospel of John. :p
A fine, spirited fellow...may he rest in peace indeed.
One thing for sure ... he finally knows the truth. I hope he wasn't disappointed.
One thing for sure ... he finally knows the truth. .
And what makes you so confident?
Did Mr. Deedat ever lose a debate with a Christian?
Am not sure, but why don't we check with Mr Swaggart?
Pablo Escobar
04-01-09, 10:53 PM
One thing for sure ... he finally knows the truth. I hope he wasn't disappointed.
Do you know the truth?
I'm not sure whether people really understood what Jack said.
:D
minerva
04-01-09, 11:50 PM
I'm not sure whether people really understood what Jack said.
:D
i did :D i'm sure mr.deedat knows the truth by now.
Of course he does as he made some christians know it as well. Am sure they are grateful to God and him
Pinturicchio
04-01-09, 11:59 PM
I'm not sure whether people really understood what Jack said.
:D
good on ya.. Im glad you did... a'nt you sharp!
Amusing. For those who didn't get what Jack said, he meant now that he's dead, passed away, moved on, etc. he knows the truth. Seeing as one doesn't know the truth of one's beliefs in the afterlife or whatever people would like to call it, until one experiences death. Get over yourselves & stop attacking people when it's you that's ignorant. :bored:
We all know what he meant, we didn't need your explanation and no one is attacking any other in here :rolleyes:
1. No, not everyone got what he meant. If you did get what he said then speak for yourselves & not everyone else.
2. There were others, in my opinion, being immature & attacking certain member. If you didn't, then I repeat, speak for yourselves.
Then direct your posts to them no need for ambiguity. What amazes me that some members think for others. E.g: I say something meaning something and they take it as something else and basing on what they think they judge others.
It was left ambiguous intentionally for those who could make use of it to take what they wanted from it & for others to ignore it if they wanted to. That was the purpose. It wasn't so that people could get catty & say things like "no-one needs your silly little explanations" or something to that effect. :)
No one said silly explanation but you did :D . Anyway, May he rest in peace. He was a great scholar indeed.
I didn't say anyone said silly, & I did indeed say silly myself. "Something to that effect" was meant to explain my choice of weirds. However, I'm going to assume that you understood what I meant & will not provide any further explanations. :bored:
Soulless
05-01-09, 12:58 AM
Miss G : we already knew what he meant , but since it doesn't make any sense to this thread we just ignored him.
Pinturicchio
05-01-09, 01:00 AM
lol.. come on now kids...
Am not sure, but why don't we check with Mr Swaggart?
Oh, he absolutely CREAMED Swaggart; no doubt about it in my mind.
Swaggart was sweating and confused and didn't know how to respond.
But think about it: Is Jimmy Swaggart a great scholar? A great debater?
No! :p
He wasn't even a very intelligent man.
This was one of Deedat's secrets: HE CHOSE HIS DEBATING PARTNERS VERY CAREFULLY.
I'm not sure whether people really understood what Jack said.
:D
I suggest you PM him, am sure he will be more than happy to elaborate to you.
This was one of Deedat's secrets: HE CHOSE HIS DEBATING PARTNERS VERY CAREFULLY.
What an excuse :p
What an excuse :p
Well, can you find a scholar or a man of keen intelligence among those he debated? I can't.
Have you ever participated in debates in college or high school?
One thing you soon discover is that if you're a keen debater and you hone your skills, you can wipe the floor with people even if you are wrong and they are right.
This is a skill lawyers learn, believe me! :p
Deedat didn't really debate that much and he turned down a lot of debate proposals and partners.
Does that mean Deedat is wrong? Of course not! :p
But it does mean that if you test his ideas against someone in a "non-dramatic" forum, there are easy answers to all his points.
Much of what I've done in the religion Sabla with people like Ice Tea and others is to take the dramatics out of it and just talk ideas. And many of the ideas that are brought up they discovered in Deedat or his pupils.
I think that's much more illuminating about the relative merits of the respective ideas.
But if you think I come across like Jimmy Swaggart, I'll leave that up to you! :p
Don't get me wrong: I like Deedat! He's a champion debater and a fine gentleman. I wish I could have met him before he died.
And he, more than any other Muslim, got many Muslims reading the Bible. Which is a great thing indeed for inter-religious understanding.
So, I take my hat off to him. But he doesn't convince me at all! :cute:
success of the efforts of Muslims in India in turning the tables against Christian missionary harassment during the British subjugation and rule of India.
Correct, just like the the other people turned furniture against the Mughal rule who were forcing conversion........
:rolleyes: FFS stop acting victimized.
Well, can you find a scholar or a man of keen intelligence among those he debated? I can't.
Have you ever participated in debates in college or high school?
One thing you soon discover is that if you're a keen debater and you hone your skills, you can wipe the floor with people even if you are wrong and they are right.
This is a skill lawyers learn, believe me! :p
Deedat didn't really debate that much and he turned down a lot of debate proposals and partners.
Does that mean Deedat is wrong? Of course not! :p
But it does mean that if you test his ideas against someone in a "non-dramatic" forum, there are easy answers to all his points.
Much of what I've done in the religion Sabla with people like Ice Tea and others is to take the dramatics out of it and just talk ideas. And many of the ideas that are brought up they discovered in Deedat or his pupils.
I think that's much more illuminating about the relative merits of the respective ideas.
But if you think I come across like Jimmy Swaggart, I'll leave that up to you! :p
Don't get me wrong: I like Deedat! He's a champion debater and a fine gentleman. I wish I could have met him before he died.
And he, more than any other Muslim, got many Muslims reading the Bible. Which is a great thing indeed for inter-religious understanding.
So, I take my hat off to him. But he doesn't convince me at all! :cute:
I wish you have met him before he passed away too. You may be a muslim by now :D . But I see your point :cute:
One thing for sure ... he finally knows the truth. I hope he wasn't disappointed.
i hope you wont be disappointd either :mmhmm:
I'm not sure whether people really understood what Jack said.
:D
even i am not sure whether people and animals really understood what jack said
Deedat didn't really debate that much and he turned down a lot of debate proposals and partners.
No problem his student (Dr. Zakir) is available, so those who were turned down by Deedat can debate with his student. I'm sure he will not turn them down.
i hope you wont be disappointd either :mmhmm:If you have no expectations ... you are never disappointed.
If you have no expectations ... you are never disappointed.
Explains why you're a big fan of Bush :)
Sporty4life
07-06-09, 10:43 PM
may Allah grant him Paradise.
greet man indeed.
Seniora
08-06-09, 01:13 PM
Deedat played a very important role in my life at a very very young age of 11 yrs old.
I had attended a missionary sort of school since kindergarten- it was a Catholic school.(yup- in UAE), with nuns and the whole nine yards.
They had the best Education system back in the 80s. But coming from a muslim respected family and living in a muslim country, what i saw in school and having christian freinds, i was totally confused.
But when my parents started watching Deedats debates, it helped alot. What helped most is the book he wrote "The Choice" (1 & 2 ).. It really made me really read the bible- (finished studying it with the help of some missionaries i met in 2005) (Jeff ur righty right there)
i feel that i am not a muslim just coz i was born into it, i feel i CHOSE it after a great a deal of research, that was inspired by Ahmed Deedat.
In a world where, muslims are being attacked every other day, then its really good to know ur stuff as well as theirs.
Great Scholar indeed.
Well, you can't say fairer than that! :p
I think Deedat is very good for Christians and Muslim alike. I think he's WRONG on almost every point, but I think he's an honest man and in the end he advances dialogue.
For me, listening to Deedat was a wonderful exercise. Figuring out where he is wrong and why and how best to express that is fabulous fun and helps me think and speak about what I believe.
I think it's a great lesson too in how much a debate agenda and a good debating style influences the outcome of a debate.
I am afraid, sadly, I don't have the same level of respect for Dr. Naik, who seems to me a bit of a fraud.
Deedat played a very important role in my life at a very very young age of 11 yrs old.
I had attended a missionary sort of school since kindergarten- it was a Catholic school.(yup- in UAE), with nuns and the whole nine yards.
They had the best Education system back in the 80s. But coming from a muslim respected family and living in a muslim country, what i saw in school and having christian freinds, i was totally confused.
But when my parents started watching Deedats debates, it helped alot. What helped most is the book he wrote "The Choice" (1 & 2 ).. It really made me really read the bible- (finished studying it with the help of some missionaries i met in 2005) (Jeff ur righty right there)
i feel that i am not a muslim just coz i was born into it, i feel i CHOSE it after a great a deal of research, that was inspired by Ahmed Deedat.
In a world where, muslims are being attacked every other day, then its really good to know ur stuff as well as theirs.
Great Scholar indeed.
Twitter
12-06-09, 12:42 PM
i truely recommend watching some of his videos on youtube. He's a true inspiration. I knew about him 2 months ago and iam just amazed to know that such person exsisted. He's full of knowledge and has the most AMAZING examples that can shut a person up or good.
There is a new man who was taught by him which debates now. I must say hes really good too. Iam not sure of his name though
Sporty4life
12-06-09, 11:51 PM
^and i second that Twitter; one of the best debaters of religion or our modern time.
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