Unemployement in Oman??

[Arabian Princess]

Well do you see it as a problem?
I beleive that the unemployement we are facing is just a cause for Omanis being choosy when they search for jobs. They insist on having certain specification and they do not open thier options.
What do u think?

[Don Khaled]

Arabian Princess, you are very true. Many Omanies would not want to work in the dirt. Many Omanies would not want to work hard and earn less. This is a big common and a problem you guys are facing. Laziness can be a problem too.

An indian for example, would work for 200 R.O., do alot of programming, do the sales, anwer phone calls and clean the office after they are done. While for an Omani, he/she would take 300 R.O. for ONLY doing sales, another 200 R.O. for answering calls, another 500 R.O. for programming, and maybe NOT even accept to clean the office when done. Here is straight 1000 R.O.. And at the end of day, 1000 maybe is not enough for them. So what do you expect of them ?

[Bimzoori]

You are partly right Arby..some people are very picky when it comes to finding a job, they expect things to be very comfy and easy, even if they don't have enough qualifications..

just to give an example, and Allahumma la shamata, this is just to illustrate the problem..I know of someone from my village who failed to get further than 6th grade, he just kept failing the exams when he got to grade 6..anyway, since he comes from a relatively poor family, some people tried helping him find a job so that he can sustain his mother and siblings..indeed, they found him a job at a pipe factory in Suhar..One early Saturday morning, the guy went to the factory, and was introduced to the type of work he'll be doing..but, what was his reaction? he went back to his village the very same day, because "he didnt like the working environment"!

[IceTea]

When we look at a problem we have to find first the main causes of the problem. Yes this is a problem in Oman and its increasing, why its increasing because many high school (thanwayah) graduteas every year who got very low grades (e.g 50 - 60 %). So they will find a place or money to join either to puplic or private educational institutes. And they will end up at home and street looking for girls, smoking huging around in the shoping moles, etc. They will try to search for a job, but its not that easy to find, and if some of them find a job, he/she will get very low salary (e.g range between 80 - 100 ryal) Now do we expect from such employee getting like this salary to be honest in his job and try to improve him/her self, he/she will work for few months and he/she will leave the job and search for other one and so on. This is one issue about this problem and there are many other causes for the unemployment in Oman.

[Arabian Princess]

Ice Tea,
yes it is an increasing problem but what Don said is true .. not everyone would expect to work as what an "Asian" would work and simply because what he earns is enough for him/her.
Ice tea, but we should also realise that even if the pay is low, I guess it is better than nothing right? I mean why should he refuse to take that pay for the time being and work for looking for another job at the smae time? I beleive that as long as you are hard working enough .. you will get good outcomes even if you do not have qualifications.
Now, since this is the problem what do u think should be done? how can this problem get solved.

[Don Khaled]

Arabian Princess, it's about time for us to stop showing off with our new GSM's every month. It's about time to stop showing off with a new BMW every 6 month. It's about time to stop showing off with new clothes every couple of weeks. And so does the list go. if we can manage that, we can surely manager a 300 R.O. a month easily.

Did you forget out expenses? Hell, we just like to show off physically and with our pleasures. Why not live a fair nice life. No headache, no more huge bills.

[IceTea]

First of all we should relize that the life in Oman is expansive, so the salary system need to be reviwed according to the life. We can't expect from Omani guy to work as Asian guy for the same salary.

First step

The privat sector should increase the minimum salary level for local people to attract them to occupay low level jobs.

[Arabian Princess]

Ice Tea,
increasing the salary would mean an increase in the prices of goods and services .. since a person who is employing an Omani shopkeeper for example would have to pay him 300 rials for examples and that would mean that the price of the rice you buy will be increased for himt o cover these extra expenses.

Ofcourse I dont want anyone to have low pay, but as don said we have to know how to manage our expenses!!! we also have to accpet low pay inorder to encourge us to work more.
in my opinion,
The First Step:
the social enviroment should accept Omanis working with low pay and should provide them with assistance to encourage them to improve themselves

[mimosa]

Ice Tea,

You've just made the same racist argument that keeps Omanis unemployed:

"We can't expect from Omani guy to work as Asian guy for the same salary. "

BS. They live in the same country and have the same needs, except of course that the 'Asian guy' has to live away from his family and see them once every two years if he's lucky.

What you're saying is that it's OK to underpay and exploit non-Omanis, they're different, they don't need the same lifestyle, house, education for their children etc. Because so many people agree with you, expatriate workers can be employed for a pittance (and maybe not even paid at all half the time) and exploited like animals.

If the Labour law were the same for Omanis and foreigners (and if they all had access to the full recourse of the law, in a short time, regardless of nationality or whether they were taking on a 'big' company), and if there was a statutory minimum wage, then it would no longer be cheaper to rip off Indians than to employ Omanis.

When the field is levelled like that, then Omanisation can really begin.

[Don Khaled]

Originally posted by IceTea
First of all we should relize that the life in Oman is expansive, so the salary system need to be reviwed according to the life. We can't expect from Omani guy to work as Asian guy for the same salary.


bulsht man, the life expense in Oman is very cheap. Read my post again.


Originally posted by Don
Arabian Princess, it's about time for us to stop showing off with our new GSM's every month. It's about time to stop showing off with a new BMW every 6 month. It's about time to stop showing off with new clothes every couple of weeks. And so does the list go. if we can manage that, we can surely manager a 300 R.O. a month easily.

Did you forget out expenses? Hell, we just like to show off physically and with our pleasures. Why not live a fair nice life. No headache, no more huge bills.

[patriot]

salam,
yes everybody agrees unemployment is a big problem we are facing, but lets look what are the causes and what are the solutions, when a guy is graduate as any other person he/she would want to earn reasonable salary, but does he or she measure that according to his/her qualification, no i don't think so, most of the unemployed people (i am assuming here please correct me if you have real data about this) are general secondary graduate, why are they unemployed cos they are not qualified, so aren't we having an educational problem...
a general secondary graduate doesn't even have a clue about what is business is all about , what is commerce, accounting, sychology...etc but to him he has reached the highets level of school and there he goes he is looking for a good salary job...

yes i agree with u all we should chaneg this ideology, but how...
Basic education...

[Arabian Princess]

Good Point patriot ..
but, if all the secondary school; graduates have higher qualifications for examples and they do not change thier minds about the pay they get and where they work, we will have qualified unemployed people which is even worse!!!
Yes we should improve education, this is something that no one could disagree with .. but unemployment problem cannot be solevd only by improving education but also with improving the mentality of people to accept lower paid jobs.

[patriot]

yes thats the point we imporve their skills and mentality through education

[Arabian Princess]

thats a good point patriot ..
so now .. as many state that the problem of Oman is education and being choosy ..
I am a graduate .. and beleiv I just arraived Oman for one day and I realised that I cant stay long without anything to do .. and I guess everyne should do teh same .. I mean maybe u wont be employed for a salary that fits you expectation .. just take what you got temprorily and later you can gain that job as a skill to look for another higher pay or better job.

[Nokia]

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Originally posted by Don
Arabian Princess, it's about time for us to stop showing off with our new GSM's every month. It's about time to stop showing off with a new BMW every 6 month. It's about time to stop showing off with new clothes every couple of weeks. And so does the list go. if we can manage that, we can surely manager a 300 R.O. a month easily.

Did you forget out expenses? Hell, we just like to show off physically and with our pleasures. Why not live a fair nice life. No headache, no more huge bills.

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you are 100%v right .

guys i think this has to do with social life as well. In Oman we are having social problems which creats these kind of thought in guy's' mind. you will find a guy will start of dreamin of nice car Why so that he can gain respect from his friends and relatives. He will chose a job Why couse as many gilrs will not eccept a guy who work in the restaurant for example, or any simple job. All our life turns to matirail, PEOPLE THESE DAYS LOOK AT SOMEONE FROM WHAT HE HAS AND NOT FROM WHAT HE IS:confused: . you wear a expensive, dishdasha, put expensive perfume and drive a nice car pople giveyou respect, you look simple people will respect you but not as much as the other case.
whats wrong with our minds???

[Arabian Princess]

True Nokia .. but this tihng should change (it happenng but slowly)
one more thing, many people in Oman prefer the pubic sector and they have the right becaus eof the advantages there ... but until when will the govt be able to employ everyone? we should look byond that and open other options instead of govt jobs and govt controled companies.

[Kamakazy]

i know a friend of mines who accepted to work as a toilet cleaner in some hotel, later an "asian" was choosen over him

[Arabian Princess]

I read in the newspaper recently that the ministry of work force is working to help unemployed people who are having the willingness to open thier own busniess to do so .. and I find it a great way to encourage unemployed people to open thier own businesses.
WHat do you think other was to reduce the rate of unemployment?

[Quick Silver]

first of all unemployment rate in oman is not really critical considering economical standards, so I wouldn't call that a problem..the unemployment rate is infact better than many contries .....I would instead call it a phonomenon that exists even in the most advanced countries in the world..... hate it or like it, it will always be there.... I also believe that everyone is able to find a job that suits his/her qualifications in oman.... the problem is on whether we accept it or not...a lot of people blame everything on the government!!! they would tell you what kind of government is this that can't provide us with jobs!!! and what kind of system we are implementing!!!! what a desperate comments they make!!! and what kind of government that would employ all of it's citizens with a minimum salary of 400 Rials!!!!!.... I mean look at UAE !!! Freaky to see their police men from Pakistan, Somalia and India.... I think the government is taking a smart step in matching both the Omanization process and the unemployment phonomenon in oman.....so in short, I think everything is fine in Oman.....

[Arabian Princess]

Sabla al'3af,
I do agree with you totally .. but when I say that people come and tell me that am dreaming .. so I decided to follow the flow but deep inside me I beleive like you that unemployment does not exist.
Actually once I was doing a research about Oman's economy and I came across a statment that says that Omais are used to depend on the government for employment and soon a time will come and the government would not be able to do that .. and I think this is the problem here now ..
I beleive Omanization is a good step to break the ice between Omanis and certain jobs .. it is not a way to disgrade omanis as people think but it is a way to build Oman by its own people .. really until when we wuld depend on forigners to build our own homes?!

[Arabian Princess]

I am sure this thread would intrest many members :)

so whats ur opinion regaring unemployment in Oman?

[Seham]

To date 69 thousand Omanis work in the private sector. 60 thousand of them receive salaries below 200 and work for more than 10 hours per day!! No, they are not that lazy!

[Namika]

Originally posted by Arabian Princess
Well do you see it as a problem?
I beleive that the unemployement we are facing is just a cause for Omanis being choosy when they search for jobs. They insist on having certain specification and they do not open thier options.
What do u think?

Well I think that Omanies have the right to choose... I mean who would want to work anywhere with any salary.... Of course if it was temporary its ok to get experince but permenant....

[Arabian Princess]

they have the right to choose when the job they want are avaliable .. 10 years back a graduate wouldnt ever get concerned about jobs, but now .. more graduated are avaliable .. and less positions are free .. here u shouldnt choose, and if u insist to choose dont complain that you couldnt get your perfect job!!

[Namika]

if a person tinks that he should wait for the right job then he should wait... but at the same he should not complain about it... for me I always wanted to work at one place... I got some offers to wrok somewhere else but they were not that good for me... I waited for 2 years now I amm happy where I am :) I nenver complained and at the same time I worked as partime for 1 year....

[Capricorna]

Well simple, Omanies are too picky and they don't accept any job plus even if they do, most of them don't work hard enough , so they end up staying at home with no job !! :angre:

[Namika]

Originally posted by Capricorna
Well simple, Omanies are too picky and they don't accept any job plus even if they do, most of them don't work hard enough , so they end up staying at home with no job !! :angre:

Well that's true but not all of them do that... there are ppl who accept any job while looking for another job at the same time... and when they work they try their best to work had and be good...

[Arabian Princess]

yes blood rose and I agree with that thinking ..