Belief in Qada wal Qdar (Fate and Destiny)

[IceTea]

This pillar of faith includes four parts:

A. That Allah may He be Glorified already Knows what has happened and what will happen. He is also Aware of His servants' situations, sustenance, lifetime, and deeds in addition to other relevant matters that are all very well Known to Him. This is manifested in: "Verily, Allâh is the All-Knower of everything" Quran 9: 115 (At-Taubah).

B. That Allah may He be exalted already recorded whatever He Fated and Decreed until the Day after as in "and all things We have recorded with numbers (as a record) in a Clear Book" Quran 36: 12 (Yâ*Sîn).

C. Faith in Allah's determined Will since whatever He Wills happens and whatever He Does not Will does not take place as explained in "Thus Allâh does what He wills" Quran 3: 40 (Âl-'Imrân).

D. Faith in Allah's Creation of all the existing items (including everything that exists) since there is no Creator but Him and no Lord but Him as reflected in "Such is Allâh, your Lord! Lâ ilâha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the Creator of all things. So worship Him (Alone), and He is the Wakîl (Trustee, Disposer of affairs, Guardian, etc.) over all things" Quran 6: 102 (Al-An'âm).

[Wanderer]

Originally posted by IceTea
[U]C. Faith in Allah's determined Will since whatever He Wills happens and whatever He Does not Will does not take place as explained in "Thus Allâh does what He wills" Quran 3: 40 (Âl-'Imrân).


Oh, excellent. Thanks for posting this. I was trying to figure out how to ask a question but didn't know if the above was true or not.

In the Member's Lounge it was posted that D.C. was in a terrible motorcycle accident. Some were a bit surprised at my response and I didn't understand why.

It was clearly Allah's will that D.C. was to be in an accident. I was wondering if anyone here was praying for D.C.? If so, why?

If you pray for D.C.'s speedy recovery, but that is not what Allah wills, are you not praying against the will of Allah ? Wouldn't it be wrong to pray against the will of Allah ?

[Mr Tickle]

indeed

[Sun]

hmmmmm,
My question Pino if jesus died for your sin , why become good ? you could do anything ! you know for sure that Jesus will save you no matter what you do am I right?

Similer in Islam , God said "Do not throw yourselves to disasters or death".
God Created us and gave us free will , we have to look after ourselves and take care of our ways of life , as Allah did not make D.C drive fast and do what he did to be in coma.
I want to define what is the real meaning of Allah's will, and when you read the verse which IceTea posted , God is talking about FAITH not action .

will:Submission to Allah's Will

Muslims see submission to Allah's Will as the only way to achieve true peace and lasting purity, happiness and fulfillment. On the surface of it this may sound illogical - "submission" suggests that we lose our freedom, our nobility and our dignity. But we must be aware that "His Will" is actually purely in our own interest, unlike the case with human masters. This is quite reasonable if we believe in Allah Himself - He is Perfect as indicated in His Attributes, Gracious, Merciful and Forgiving, including His Love for us.

Secondly, since Allah is Perfect, He doesn't need anything from us, and thus it is inconceivable that He does anything out of self-interest. If we do agree, then, to submit to His Will, (for we have free will to choose whether or not to follow the Islamic way), we will be able to achieve much greater heights of nobility and dignity, by fulfilling the true nature with which Allah has endowed us.

Now we are fully convinced that Allah is truly Compassionate. Every decision He makes concerning us isin our best interests. He knows best what is good for us. We ourselves lack such wisdom (partly because our knowledge is incomplete, whereas Allah's Knowledge is perfect and all-embracing), and therefore we cannot always perceive the goodness or rightness of some of Allah's judgements or laws until after we have submitted to them and subsequently enjoy the benefits; nor can we perhaps imagine beforehand the bad, destructive effects which will result if we refuse to submit; only later - too late - will we realize.

Now praying for D.C.'s speedy recovery is part of our supplication of mercy on Him , Just like you guys when you pray for your friend and relative ( to strenghten your communication with God and To ask His mercy for speed recovery).
I hope I made it clear.

[Wanderer]

Perhaps if I keep it simple and pointed.

Was it God's will that D.C. get into an accident ?

[X-press]

Only Allah knows Wandy and we can't really give you the exact answer here as we are not God.

Even if DC accident was bad, there was a raison for it to happened. We don't know anything about him or his background. Maybe there is a lesson for the ones who is surrounding him to learn; it doesn't mean that this accident was meant for him only.

[Arabian Princess]

Wanderer,
yes it was Gods will that the accident happen, but that does not mean that we should not pray for him. Allah knows everything, he knows if he will recover soon (INshallah) or if he wont (la samah allah, may allah forbid) .. our job is to ask Allah to help him through his problem. It wont change anything in ALlah's will, but it is our beleif that ALlah know more than what we know that makes us agree with whatever he decided to happen.

[Wanderer]

Good answers.

My concern is that should it be Allah's will that D.C. have a difficult time recovering, our praying that D.C. recovers soon is praying against the will of Allah. It just seems awkward to pray aginst the will of Allah.



(BTW - I hope D.C. recovers)

[MoonChild]

By the way, what you've explained is similar to every other intelligent discussion of prayer that I've heard from adherents to other religions - from Christianity to New Age spirituality. Some even argue that the only "appropriate" prayer is "Thy Will be done"

That is, GOD has no need of our prayers - rather, WE need to pray in order to sustain a connection with Him. This presumably is the way in which we can determine what God's Will IS so that we can participate in it.

Less advanced religious folk still attempt to bargain with God for their desires :rolleyes:

[MoonChild]

Originally posted by Sun
hmmmmm,
My question Pino if jesus died for your sin , why become good ? you could do anything ! you know for sure that Jesus will save you no matter what you do am I right?


Some (rather lazy, in my opinion) Christians indeed follow this philosophy.

The French have a word for people like that...

[Shakoosh Kabir]

Sun

Jesus may have died for the sins of mankind, but no one is automatically saved - whether Christian or anything else - except innocent children who have not sinned. The rest of us have to earn salvation by leading a good life, doing good works and loving one´s neighbour. You could start by loving the Israelis.;)

[Sun]

For sure Shakoosh Kabir, Do you love Muslims ?

[Mr Tickle]

Sun,

Why did Jesus die?

1) The Presence of Sin . . .

When Adam and Eve disobeyed God in the Garden of Eden, sin invaded the human race.

"Wherefore, as by one man (Adam) sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, FOR THAT ALL HAVE SINNED:" Romans 5:12

". . . for there is no difference. FOR ALL HAVE SINNED, and come short of the glory of God;" Romans 3:22b-23

"If we say that we have not sinned, WE MAKE HIM A LIAR, and his word is not in us." 1 John 1:10

"If we say that we have no sin, WE DECEIVE OURSELVES, and the truth is not in us." 1 John 1:8


2) The Penalty of Sin . . .

"For the wages of sin is DEATH; . . ." Romans 6:23a

Not just physical death, but something far more serious — SPIRITUAL DEATH — in hell!

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and *****mongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: WHICH IS THE SECOND DEATH." Revelation 21:8

3) The Payment of Sin . . .

To cover the sin of Adam and Eve, THE BLOOD of an innocent lamb was shed. (Gen. 3:21)

" . . . John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold THE LAMB of God, which TAKETH AWAY THE SIN of the world." John 1:29
Friend, Jesus Christ shed His blood on the cross to pay the penalty for YOUR sin!

"Who his own self bare OUR SINS in his own body on the tree,. . ." 1 Peter 2:24

" . . . Unto him that loved us, and washed us from OUR SINS in his own BLOOD," Revelation 1:5b
What can wash away my sin?


NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD OF JESUS!

Not church membership, not sacrements, not baptism, not good works,

" . . . without shedding of BLOOD is no remission." Hebrews 9:22
"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him." Romans 5:8-9

[MoonChild]

I don't get the whole sacrifice bit - animal or Son of God.

I mean - what kind of God would change your fate when offered a bloody carcass? Blood money to avoid Hell?

Yuck.

[qais]

moon child what did u have for breakfast?

[Bimzoori]

Qais, Moony is reffering to the previous post by MrPinn, read it and you'll understand..

[Shakoosh Kabir]

Sun

Of course I love Muslims. Do you think I would still be here if I did not?:cool:

[MoonChild]

Originally posted by qais
moon child what did u have for breakfast?

:D Sausages!!!

Really :)

[qais]

o my god.
i HAD SAUSAGES TOO.
I SWEAR.


bimzoori if u have nothing nice to say then shut up

[Bimzoori]

Originally posted by qais
bimzoori if u have nothing nice to say then shut up

Same thing applies to you :)

[qais]

:p

[mimosa]

It's this kind of intellectual swashbuckling that I really live for......:p

[Arabian Princess]

Moony,
yes most religions beleive that prayers do not change anything of gods will coz as you mentioned he does not need our prayers.
Islam beleives in that too and this shows that Islam is no differnt than any other religion.

Wanderer, no we are not praying aginst ALlah's will, we are just praying to God to help him in his problem. And since we beleive that whatever God has gave us is good for us .. then we should accept what he offres us with patience.

[SoMe1]

One thing that I would like to clear up here. In the Quran, it is mentioned “translation of the meaning” “you might like something which is bad for you, and you might hate something which is good for you”

I have 2 stories, which I would share with you, to explain the meaning of the above:

First: (do not like something and it might hide something bad for you under it) 2 years ago, one of my friends was in this state where she wanted to marry this guy, she went against her family and fought for it, she cried day and night for it, and never wanted to give up. Now looking about on it, she is so thankful to Allah that it never happened, the guy was a loser.


Second: ( do not hate something which is bad for you ) someone I know was really into Discos, Drinking, he even got to the extend of Drugs. He then got into this bad car accident, and he was in a very critical situation. His family and all pried day and night for him “but it was Allah’s will that he recovers”. After that the police caught him, because they figured out that he was on Drugs. While being in prison, the guy started to read a lot. He learnt a lot about his religion and even started to read about others. We couldn’t believer it after he came out of person, the guy was totally different, he got married and has children now.

His family tried with him in every way to get him back to his sense when he was a bad guy, I guess prison was his only way to learn a lesson.

So we Muslims always say “Alhamolilah A’ala Kol Hal Wa A’ala Hatha Al-Hal”

Meaning “ I thank Allah for everything, and I think him for what is happening to me now” you say that weather its good or bad.

May DC recover soon, maybe this is a lesson for him to be a better person. You never know.

[Bimzoori]

I liked your answer, SoMe1 :) All I can say is Subhan Allah!

How very true!