Omanisation

[mimosa]

Now that the Princess is fully functioanl once more, isn't it time the business advisory shop re-opened?

Here's a question: Omanisation is one strategy to increase opportunties for Omanis by denying work permits for foreigners. It's not the only one, but it plays a useful part. Taxi drivers, security guards used to be foreign, now they're Omani. Which jobs should be reserved for Omanis next, and are Omanis qualified or willing to do them?

[Sun]

Oh yes ,
Omanis have proven over and over that they are capable of taking senior posts .
In Eng. All sorts
In petrochemical
In Medicin
In Banks
In Hotels
In International Comapnies

I think the idea of Omanization is becoming fruitful .
Thanks to H.M wise vision.

[mimosa]

Do you think it would be possible yet to make these sectors exclusivel Omani? You mention engineering, petrochemicals, medicine. Are there enough really well-qualified Omanis to throw out the foreigners?

[Arabian Princess]

Well, I was one of the porponants of Omanization since the begninng and I used to enter big debates with my firends wether it is a good policy or not. I always beleived that for a thing to start right, it has to start since the beginning and accepting lower paying jobs was the hardest decision for Omanis to take and they took it .. so the rest would come easily.

Although I beleive that many jobs should be placed by Omanis, but I do not mean that 100% of workers in Oman should be Omani, wether we want it or not .. we need forigners. We have not reached the level of development that we would deny forigners expertise, but that does not mean that the number of forigners should outnumber the omanis.

I beleive that Omanis should start thinking what areas does Oman need when they graduate from secondary school, the ministry of higher education along with teh ministry of workforce should prepare areas where oman needs workers in and accordingly they can send omanis to different profissions.

[Arabian Princess]

any one aginst omanization?

[Thug4Life]

u see in such step i shall call huge step is never easy to kick out all foreigners and experties and replace them by omanies...deep studies should first be preceded than the action should be done!
now soo far i can see that the proces sis going well...and in some sectors that i didnt imagine one day that i will see an omani working in Now u can see them and I am realy proud of them

this thing should be gradual and it will take time....
few days back i saw omani youth working in a building construction under the SUN 47c and they are working hard side by side with the experties!....I was soo happy! ....Things now r changing...we omanies now are working every were...and one day u will c us every where inshallah working hard togather to continue the process of development side by side :) ameen!

[Arabian Princess]

This was posted by SOme1 in another thread:
Is Omanization really working?

Do you really think that Omanis are doing a good job?

I have noticed that most Omanis don’t hold them selves and stick to one company. You see most of them every year changing their jobs from one company to another, most what they think they are getting is actually a high raise “Money issue” the difference is like 20 – 50 Rails when you move to another company. That might be good for a start, get some experience, and then move on to a better place, but if you keep on doing that you are losing a lot of things too, the benefit of the raise “position” bonus which you get every year etc.

Most omanis cant work over time, they expect to do a small thing and get well paid for it. What I know of most of them who I work with, most are very lazy, keep you waiting and don’t care much. They don’t think that you are holding back many people from doing their own jobs.

On the other hand, I am very pleased to see omani guys in petrol stations working there “very hard working people as you can see” but these people are hardly educated, thus have to suffer to live, others think that they studied and have a bachelor degree, thus should sit behind the desk and just give orders!

[Arabian Princess]

This was posted byFISHFOOD21 in another topic but since it talks about the same topic I posted it here ..

Omanisation MY BOTTOM
Hello,
I am a bit late in readign the newspaper but i jsut got hold of a 1 month old paper talking about Omanisation, in the indian run sectors of Oman.
Net cafe, Fruit shops, mechanics or some otehr rubbish.
XCUZ ME
But do u really think that an Oman can not work in Bahwans Toyota as a sales person? Selling cars is the easiest and least training requireed job there is ? If someoen wants to buy a car they are just going to walk in and the first sales person who greests him gets teh commision on the sale. This is the type of job which should be made avaialable for thanawiya graduates. It could free up aboput 10 ,000 job if the car industry was omanisaed ?
XCUZ ME
But is it impossible for Omanis to work for foregin Companys ? It is obvious who controls the decision making of what job Omanies can have ? And its obviosu the indians have say in which departments tehy want Omanis in. Just walk into Sultan Shopping and goto to the accounts office! There is a room which is abotu the 20 square metres filled with 30 hindues doing accounting? I mean if sultan shopping a small shoppign chain require 30 hindus in one branch waht about other companies like insurance ? How many imported indians are here as accoutnants >? Are u telling me we dont have any accountants in Oman ? MNiot enough ? MY BIG BROWN BOTTOM SAYS OTHERWISE!

[Nimr Mal Zibala]

i ask everyobne in here to walk into a company of their choosing and go see how many foreigners are placed in postiion where an Omani can easily be placed instead.

[SoMe1]

4 people in the company i work for are Omanis who are the "Big heads" including the GM

[Arabian Princess]

I also wokred in a company and from the 6 people who are head of departments, two only were forginers!!

[Nimr Mal Zibala]

But i bet the departments u work for are totally insignificant maybe u working in archives or data entry somewhere.....
solitary perhaps

[Arabian Princess]

Fishfood,
I worked in the closest department to the GM, the Marketing Depratment.

I also knew that the Human Resource Manager, the Finance Manager, the Administration Manager were all Omanis!

[Nimr Mal Zibala]

like i said insiginificant department. Wat company in Oman is ever succesful with marketing ????? Please tell me cuz as far i know the ionly Omani product or service to be succesful was Amouge, Omani Honey and Toyota (which incidentally is japanese but anyhoo)

AND ONE MORE POINT:
u say ur bosses were Bigheads ? Well who likes their bosses here raise ur hands please?
Maybe cuz the indian boss speaks to u nicely and treats u like a baby but never promotes u prefer that, to being pushed to work harder and be the best u can be!
\INFIDELS !

[Arabian Princess]

Fishfood,
for your information, I did not work for an insgnificant department. To that company the marketing department was very important aside with operation department.

u dont know what indians does and what Omani does, you are placing you are argument in no grounds. you cant refer to this and that and say that becaus eu work in a company that happens to have amny indians!!!!!!!

[Nimr Mal Zibala]

anyone here know anything about any omani companys service or products ? I mean really does anyone really know which company sells which product or service in Oman. I think not. markmeting is a total failure in Oman cuz marketing departments suck here

[Arabian Princess]

dont judge before knowing.
I know that the marketing depratment in the company I worked in was important, but we are not talking about marketing or finance here, we are talking about Omanization.

[Nimr Mal Zibala]

yes well as we can see omanisatiuon in YOUR case has been unsuccesful. As u already badmouthing ur boss and complaining! so HA!

[Arabian Princess]

I never bad mouthed my boss!!!
I admit I was workin under a very understanding boss!!
Where do you read from?? I did not talk about my boss at all!!

[Nimr Mal Zibala]

but some1 SAID that!!!!!!!

[jnoon]

First of all, I am not against Omanisation but rather I am one of its supporters when it is practical and has eefective and effecient meaning.
That is, it wwould be economically wrong if we replaced forign workers who get relatively low wages with high wages. Forigners are willing to work in conditions where an Omani would refuse to work in if he/she gets the same amount of money a forigner gets. Therfore, which employer would be happy to pay extra money for something he could get for less!!!!!!
Yes, some employers would be willing to pay more to hire an omani employee if the difference in what both get is small, however, it would be highly unlikely for the same employer to hire that Omani if the difference is big unless that particular employer is under pressure to hire him/her which is what the gov is doing right now..... just think of that and put yourself in the employer position, Would you rather employ an Omani and be inefecient or would you rather employ a forigner for the same job and pay less??!!!!!!!
We can't just demand more Omanisation bty looking at it from one side only. we have to wiegh up the cost and the benefits of doing so . So let us broaden our way of thinking and not look at things from a narrow angle...

[Arabian Princess]

Welcome to the sabla Jnoon, hope you will enjoy it here :)

Well you have a good point, the employer usually is affected because of the raise he needs to put in the salary and also the outcome he would get out of this employer.
For example, a forgine worker might be willing to work during public holidays while an Omani might want to spend that time with his family!!

My point is, even though the emloyer has to bear the cost also. mean till when the employers would stay greedy and refuse to help the nation as a whole. Employers are part of this nation and they should help the government in providing jobs for thier bro and citizens.

[Nimr Mal Zibala]

These companies that employ hindus for lower wages make as much money as any other company in the world aka = since companies are saving money on these imported filth workers i demand to see lower prices in shops, in services, in the CINEMA and lower car prices!
I mean are u soo blind that u can't see what is happening. Companies are makign the same money as tehy would by employing omanis because tehre pricing structure is the same as if they really do have the higher costs of employing Omanis. In other words they are super greedy GET IT?????

ANd there is another MAJOR FLAW in your thinking- why do u talk as if the company is in charge of making decisions on who gets what and how its going to be done. The problem with you people is that you think that they are doing us a favour for providing these goods and services - are u forgettign who pays there wages and makes them profit?? US ! The customer- IT is out RIGHT to have jobs and decent wages- its not the other way round. ARRRRGH u'r like LEMMINGS, just walking around mindlesly like zombies and eating sleeping and excreting all day and all night. And this is why i refuse to ever debate with you on the subject of Omanisation ever again. YOu lack the grey matter required to think for yourselves and stand up for your rights. AND I AM SICK OF IT SICK SICK SICK .
"Oh poor companies if they employ indians they save money but we omanis are so inefficient and after all it is a privelage that we are allowed to have jobs, roads, phone lines and the internet! Oh thank our lucky stars for those poor poor foreigners who live like dirt back in hindu land, if it wasnt for them taking away our jobs , what would we do. And poor poor westerners who come here on 8000 rials a month they are so deserving, its such a privelage that they came all the way from there freezing tax infested country to help us develop." I mean WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH U gawd! 30 years of developing as we can't get decent jobs, service or start a friking business without Wasta or beggign like dogs as if they (the companies & govt.)
If i hear another "poor poor foreigner" story i think i'll have to kill someone. "economically wrong: WTF are u talking about. I totally agree with right wing facists and iron lady, kick out the foreigners traing the locals and get living in style.
Fishfood, please mind your language

[Quick Silver]

I agree with fishfood..... marketing departments in omani companeis are all about nothing... absoloutly nothing...

[Arabian Princess]

ANd there is another MAJOR FLAW in your thinking-

Thanx FishFood
I will answer you when you come down to my thinking, am not eligable enough to answer you now ..
Enjoy your posts :cool:

NO wounder you are a man :)

[Nimr Mal Zibala]

u stay home and cry about poor poor foreigners and how mistreated they are and how low wages tehy are paid. BOO HOO HOO

[patriot]

salam,
i am with omanisation, may be some people don't see it successfull yet, they could be right, but still we gott a give it time, and the government is trying its best, omanis are just human being like any other human being in this universe, so why can't he does, offcourse he/she can do wht others aslo do, but when can he/she do that when they are qualified, so are we all qulified to these jobs,..
our way to omanisation is by training and qualifing our selves, we dont have to depen on the government on everything, and thats our poblem if we cant do it we staright away blame somebody, especially the government,..

fishfood21,
what are you talking about man, i dont understand what are you talking about, the topic is so clear, it is about omanisation, you just simply give your opinion about it, and respect others point of views, as they do to yours,
if you have a shop would you hire an employee 50 OR, or another employee for 100 OR...?
we are all here discussing, because we all care about our country and nation,I know you care and every body else here cares as well, because we all believe that we are one nation, one country, one destiny, you take care bro

[shaaban]

actually, steps on Omanisation is on the track, now depends on our youth to fulfill it. But also there is an interested good business on heavy duty vehicles once the omanisation applied on it.

[X-press]

Originally posted by mimosa
Taxi drivers, security guards used to be foreign, now they're Omani. Which jobs should be reserved for Omanis next, and are Omanis qualified or willing to do them?

I truely believe that Omanisation is a great idea, not because the country doesn't want to see the foreigners occupying certains positions, but mainly because it wants to give each of its citizens a chance to work.

It is already a step to see the Omanis doing also simple jobs like being a taxi driver, a cashier or guard, but what needs to be changed first is their way of thinking. To make people understand that it is better to work in anything than to do nothing. They should not see as shameful to be a waiter or a pump worker or a driver.

Some jobs were taken over by Omanis, not because they were ready to do it, but because it was made illigal for the foreigner to do it and available to the local only. The law pushed them to take this job and I believe the law should continue that push in other directions.

It upset me to see that so many expatriates (like the Indians for instance) being brought by thousands monthly in the country just to perform simple jobs like painters, helpers, carpenter, welder etc just because the young Omanis are not willing to do it! Not willing because they wrongly believe that it is not a position to their level and not willing mainly because they don't want to be the effort and time seen in the expatriates. It is sad but it is a fact.

[Arabian Princess]

Exactly X-press

I think that Omanization is the first step to make Omanis accept the ages after we run out of Oil. It is good to learn now instead of being a shock state at that time and we wont still be ready to take low prestige job.

[MusicAddict]

I found this thread and its an 02 thread but i thought it would be interesting to discuss it now that almost 10 years have passed

I've noticed that companies pay omanis to get registered as employees, stay home and get a monthly salary (free money), the more omanis the company registers the more foreigners it can get to work there, and thats who really gets the job and gets paid, how do you feel about that?
Do you think its working?

[LovingLogic]

^ If I owned a business I can see myself heading that way, I know its wrong but hey if it gets the job done then why not? =)

[Alex Belucci]

Since Omanisation began increasing rapidly, so did the prices of goods. I hope it got no relation to Omanisation.

[server 29]

I've noticed that companies pay omanis to get registered as employees, stay home and get a monthly salary (free money), the more omanis the company registers the more foreigners it can get to work there, and thats who really gets the job and gets paid, how do you feel about that?
Do you think its working?

not shops.. shops are required to put Omanis at the front. 'it is a must'..

[Redirection]

Omanisation is something I kinda agree with, partially because my dad is part of this(:XD:) but we got lots of Omani Citizens who do not have jobs yet have the degree or skill to fulfill it. The start of this I believe will be slow, unpredicted but as time goes on, some Omanis will want to work, competition will increase thus resulting in better employment standards and that will make Omanisation a good step.

This is a long step, I'd say we have come a far way from how things used to be, specially recently with all the protests that happened but I can see Omanis have a good future, things will change, prices, petrol and other stuff but I'd rather have a country run by our people than mostly foreigners

[diving-maniac]

I think Omanization is a good idea, however I do not think it is being implemented very well at all at the moment. A lot of folks Ive met and spoken to around my age seem to think that as soon as they finish University, they will walk into a job as a manager. Im yet to see it happen in a successful business.

Oh, and for all those that think you're entire country can run without expatriates, then your either stupid or just incapable of living in the real world. Every single country runs with expatriates working there either out of need or for other reasons. So how about we all tone down the racism and the "people from the filth country" ********?

[Arkan]

once i had an interview, with a well known company (here in oman), I apparently aced at this interview, so they called me after one hour and told me that i got the job, so i said "great" after that the guy explained that they have problem with "Omanisation rates" in the company, and they would like to take me but their HR have some issues (i dont know why they picked my cv in the first place) and if i considered taking the same job but with lower grade than whats posted than they gonna agree ... needless to say i refused the offer.

I dont know how it looks to you (Omanis) but i was deeply offended, i had the better qualification and education and they wanted to take me but they wanted to pay me less cuz I wasnt born in Oman and cuz am not Omani.

dont get me wrong, am all for Oman to relay on its local resources and such, but demeaning foreigners like this? i dont think this is the way to go ... and I wish that they treat all foreigners the same (western, arabs and Asians) ... no sir, this rule of "pay less for foreigners" (wither its a written rule or not, i dunno) doesnt seem to apply to westerns, they get paid more than all of us (Omanis, Arab non-omanis, and Asians) ...

whats your take on this guys?

[Booth]

Bus driving and taxis I know they bring opportunities but they also take lives, and anything else concerning safety... not for us!

[Alex Belucci]

^ Add to that trucks.

[-Alysa-]

I'm all for it as long as they are professionally trained! Some shop assistants just don't know what they're doing, I experienced this a couple of times, when this Omani lady tried to convince me not to buy the product because I can find it cheaper somewhere else or that she doesn't think it's worth the price. If I was a business owner I would hate that. Also this cosmetic shop in city centre seeb has like 10+ girls working around the store and I feel most of them are annoying. No offense.

[Satan]

You know even though people might not agree with Omanization or hate the racism that comes along with it...but lets face it, it happens everywhere! Each country I have visited prefers locals over foreigners and why not? Look at China, India, Thailand, USA, UK etc.

I however, do believe that fresh Omani's getting into new jobs need to lower their expectations and have a good attitude (serious) towards their respective jobs. The thing that makes companies in Oman to prefer expats over omani's is their attitude and aptitude. This is not for all but majority are still like this.

[tycoone]

Originally posted by mimosa
Taxi drivers, security guards used to be foreign, now they're Omani. Which jobs should be reserved for Omanis next, and are Omanis qualified or willing to do them?

I truely believe that Omanisation is a great idea, not because the country doesn't want to see the foreigners occupying certains positions, but mainly because it wants to give each of its citizens a chance to work.

It is already a step to see the Omanis doing also simple jobs like being a taxi driver, a cashier or guard, but what needs to be changed first is their way of thinking. To make people understand that it is better to work in anything than to do nothing. They should not see as shameful to be a waiter or a pump worker or a driver.

Some jobs were taken over by Omanis, not because they were ready to do it, but because it was made illigal for the foreigner to do it and available to the local only. The law pushed them to take this job and I believe the law should continue that push in other directions.

It upset me to see that so many expatriates (like the Indians for instance) being brought by thousands monthly in the country just to perform simple jobs like painters, helpers, carpenter, welder etc just because the young Omanis are not willing to do it! Not willing because they wrongly believe that it is not a position to their level and not willing mainly because they don't want to be the effort and time seen in the expatriates. It is sad but it is a fact.

Very well said....


once i had an interview, with a well known company (here in oman), I apparently aced at this interview, so they called me after one hour and told me that i got the job, so i said "great" after that the guy explained that they have problem with "Omanisation rates" in the company, and they would like to take me but their HR have some issues (i dont know why they picked my cv in the first place) and if i considered taking the same job but with lower grade than whats posted than they gonna agree ... needless to say i refused the offer.

I dont know how it looks to you (Omanis) but i was deeply offended, i had the better qualification and education and they wanted to take me but they wanted to pay me less cuz I wasnt born in Oman and cuz am not Omani.

dont get me wrong, am all for Oman to relay on its local resources and such, but demeaning foreigners like this? i dont think this is the way to go ... and I wish that they treat all foreigners the same (western, arabs and Asians) ... no sir, this rule of "pay less for foreigners" (wither its a written rule or not, i dunno) doesnt seem to apply to westerns, they get paid more than all of us (Omanis, Arab non-omanis, and Asians) ...

whats your take on this guys?

Yup....I feel sorry for you but thats the take nowdays and even employees cant help due to the pressure from the government.If you would have accepted the offer...you would be paid less...you would be working double not only for yourself but may be even compensating for the omani who gets the higher post and pay.....

[foreignflower]

I think Omanis or ANYONE for that matter should be hired when they are qualified and they take thieir jobs seriously. When I have my own company, I would not be hiring Omanis because they are Omanis, I would be hiring people if they are qualified.

In some positions I am sorry to say, some Omanis do not take it seriously and do not do their job properly. Not all of course are like that, but I know in the stores for example, they need to learn some customer service skills. Many people have been rude and it seems they are not taking their jobs seriously.

I would follow the procedure, but in my book it is "Three strikes and you are out" where "I am Omani, you can't fire me" is not going to work. If one does not show up for work, is rude and is not performing, I do not see why I should keep him or her.

[FrankCastle]

I think Omanis or ANYONE for that matter should be hired when they are qualified and they take thieir jobs seriously. When I have my own company, I would not be hiring Omanis because they are Omanis, I would be hiring people if they are qualified.

In some positions I am sorry to say, some Omanis do not take it seriously and do not do their job properly. Not all of course are like that, but I know in the stores for example, they need to learn some customer service skills. Many people have been rude and it seems they are not taking their jobs seriously.

I would follow the procedure, but in my book it is "Three strikes and you are out" where "I am Omani, you can't fire me" is not going to work. If one does not show up for work, is rude and is not performing, I do not see why I should keep him or her.

can i work for your company when you open it?

[Scarecrow]

If i had a business, id rather hire indians.. You waste less money and they're flexible.. The impression that i have towards Omanis is that they are lazy
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[MsKnuckles]

I'm torn.

I mean in one way I think it's good to give more Omanies jobs

In another way I think, everyone should be welcome. A diversity of races and giving opportunities for everyone is good.

so ... it's rather undecided in my head

[Ms.Nina]

anyone here know anything about any omani companys service or products ? I mean really does anyone really know which company sells which product or service in Oman. I think not. markmeting is a total failure in Oman cuz marketing departments suck here

actually marketing has come a long way for Oman..many companies for example ODC (Oman Drydock Company) is doing great in their Marketing department..it is true that many of the big bosses are Koreans BUT ALOT (one can say half) are Omanis in the management positions..in the administrative, marketing, and HR departments are almost 100% omani's.

now i am not here to tlk on everyone's behalf..bt i am for omanisation and all HOWEVER...before expecting to get high positions..Oman has to change their education system to achieve anything...students graduate from high school not knowing a word of english then get thrown into the college that is ALL in english..how are they expected to do that?

bottom line is....it seems to that omani's (some) with a degree or qualification beleive once they graduate they should be managers...(whoopsies buddy thats not how it works lol)

[diving-maniac]

actually marketing has come a long way for Oman..many companies for example ODC (Oman Drydock Company) is doing great in their Marketing department..it is true that many of the big bosses are Koreans BUT ALOT (one can say half) are Omanis in the management positions..in the administrative, marketing, and HR departments are almost 100% omani's.


Urm, sorry to burst your bubble but they are not that good. Have you ever actually tried to get ahold of the buggers? Damn near impossible...

[Ms.Nina]

Urm, sorry to burst your bubble but they are not that good. Have you ever actually tried to get ahold of the buggers? Damn near impossible...

sorry to burst ur bubble but i work for that company and i know that our department and company has the ability to handle it quite well..maybe its nt them that dsnt know hw to market your product or request for anything? food for thought :cute:

[foreignflower]

I think in my case. I dress like Omani, I live like Omani, I eat like Omani, I should be part of Omanization and hired with Omanis LOOOOL

Well, on a serious note, qualification is everything. In my own business I would hire Omani if they are qualified and trained. I have no problems with anyone if they are honest on their job.

[MsKnuckles]

if I had a private business I'd hire anyone qualified be it a foreigner or an omani. the one who's more qualified gets the job. I mean I don't think omanization is bad.. but there has to be some sort of balance because there's a downside to it if only omanies are given the privilege .

[Filly_Stiffler]

Never thought I'd say that but after seeing how Omanis actually work, and deal with their customers, I prefer Indians, or anyone else who's not arabic lol... This is how annoyed I feel.. well not just me but everyone I talk to about this matter.
When u do something love your job, don't do it just so u get money and that's it

[KHALDINO]

very exciting topic.. but i would like to see Omanis committing to their jobs & doing everything on time !!! Punctuality.. punctuality..punctuality!! and second thing.. Quality... not just quantity... plz!! Omanisation but with punctuality & quality!!