Amazing thing about Islam

[SoMe1]

Haven’t you noticed something? Its that all the world is aginst Islam (most of the fights among any religions) Buddhism, Judaism and Christians all fighting Islam, while they get along very well among them selves, and yet something else to notice, Islam is the fasts growing religion on earth.

What are you comments?

I find it tremendously amazing “Allah Akbar”

[mimosa]

SoMe1,

I can think of many conflicts involving Muslims, and many involving Christians. What I can not think of is any current conflict where another religious group is fighting Islam.

There are two sides to the recent conflict in Afghanistan. One is a major tribal group professing Sunni Islam, assisted by a collection of Salafi-Sunni foreigners claiming to be fighting for Islam. The other is a mixture of some of the same group with different tribes and ethnicities, but mostly Shia Muslims, assisted by more foreigners, all from secular states, who have joined in because the foreigners on the other side have already attacked them and promised to continue to do so.

In Palestine, two peoples are involved in a protracted and violent territorial dispute. Each has treaties with both secular Muslim countries and secular non-Muslim countries. A collection of both types of country is trying to broker a peace agreement. One side is mostly of the Jewish ethnic group, some of whom claim their political position represents a religious duty. Most of the other side are Muslims, and some of them claim a similar religious cause.

The civil war in Sudan is between the North, mostly Muslim, and the South, a mixture of Muslims, Christians and various traditional faiths. Neither side claims to be fighting a 'holy war', the South seeks independence from the North.

Is there a pattern here? I think so: anyone can claim to be doing their religious duty when they fight for a political cause. Some even group themselves by religion when fighting, regardless of the interests of their countrymen who may not share their beliefs, but still share their cause. I believe it's offensive (and indeed blasphemous) to claim that God cares more for one group of people than another. I imagine that view is widely shared. Perhaps that's why the World's most popular religious conviction is not to publicly profess your conversion to Islam or any other faith. The fastest growing religious persuasion in the World is that which says 'my personal beliefs are personal, not for political exploitation'.

[SoMe1]

Mimosa,

I doubt that you actually got my point :)

You see im talking about Hindu’s Vise Muslims in India,
Christens when they talk about religion they usually have conflicts with Muslims and fight them.
Jews Vs Muslims all the time, I am not talking politics here, im talking when it comes to religion.

Hindu’s burn Muslims alive and demolish their mosques. Jews anyways have no respect to Christians or Muslims (because they are the chosen ones) very obvious of what happened in Bethlehem. The list goes on.

[mimosa]

SoMe1,

You said that the World was against Islam, and that everyone was fighting Muslims.

I said I coudn't think of any war between Christians and Muslims or even between another religion and Muslims, just political conflicts where religion was an excuse. I have never heard a religious leader call for war against another people based on their religion (except, I am sorry to say, some Islamic clerics calling for war against 'the Jews' or 'the Christians').

The problem is that people mix up politics and religion. Leaders use the name of religion in a cynical drive to motiovate their people to hate, and to justify their immoral actions.

You are right about India (I think it was some Hinudus being burned alive that sparked the recent trouble, although 'who started it' goes back about 1100 years!). Sectarian conflicts are common around the World: In India between Muslims and Hindus, in Sri Lanka between Hindus/Muslims (same side) and Buddhists, in Pakistan between Sunni Muslims and Shia Muslims, in Afghanistan between Sunni and Sha Muslims again, in Northern Ireland between Catholic Christians and Presbyterian Christians.

What these conflicts have in common is not that they are 'against Islam'. It is that they have all used religion or ethnicity to justify themselves.

No-one is fighting a war against Islam anywhere in the World as far as I know. But using the name of God (whichever name you choose) to justify war is the opposite of obedience to God - whatever name one gives to one's own system of worship.

[Elya'a]

Both of you have good points; Islam is the fastest growing religion on earth. And yet Muslims fight each other like Christians fight each other, this sector thing is really sickening!

[IceTea]

This is because Islam is on top of all religions. And I'm proud to be a muslim.

[mimosa]

Teabag, every religion is the best in the mind of its believers! Just don't expect others to agree - that's how sectarian attitudes are formed........;)

[IceTea]

mimona what u said is true, but for Islam in addition to what u said its the religion that Allah selected as mentioned in the Quran.

[mimosa]

!!!!!!!!!!!!

[IceTea]

I can see that u are :confused:

[mimosa]

Tea,

Of course the Qur'An says that Islam is the one religion, it's the holy book of Islam! What kind of logic is that - every major religion has the same view of itself?!

Which is why religion is never negotiable, and should therefore never be tied up with politics (or used to justify violence against others). :)

[IceTea]

True that Quran is Islam book, but the God is one and only one :)

[Sun]

Kul Ya Ayuha Al Kafiroon La Ibudu Matabodoun till the end of the Surah ... Lakum Dinukum wa Liya Din .
Another Surah .. La Ikrah fi Al Din.

Well as Mimosa said and Ice both are right in a way but Our mission of Islam is to preach it to all but not force it or say its the best ( yet God said its the only religion) but in dawah terms or I think in here we do not have to boast that it is the best , let the Non Muslim aknowledge it.

LOL Iits funny how you 2 address each other TeaBag and mimona LOL LOL :) ;)

[SoMe1]

Originally posted by Sun
Kul Ya Ayuha Al Kafiroon La Ibudu Matabodoun till the end of the Surah ... Lakum Dinukum wa Liya Din .
Another Surah .. La Ikrah fi Al Din.

Translation:

1. Say, "O Disbelivers,
2. I do not worship what you worship.
3. Nor are you woshippers of what i worship.
4. Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship.
5. Nor will you be worshippers of what i worship.
6. For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."

[Mr Tickle]

SoMe,

why do you insist on such emotional rhetoric - since when is the world against Islam?

Although, its true to say that the vast majorit of armed conflicts in the world today involve Muslims - including against each other

The Nazis were once very popular - its amazing what can be achieved through organised fear

[mimosa]

Good to see you, Bignose :)

I don't think Islam is popular because of fear, nor do I believe the statistic of 90%.

But whether it's 9% or 90% is immaterial........most wars rely on some sort of moral justification for popular support, often through cod-theology justifying sectarian hatred. My point is that religion does not call for death, only 'religious' individuals do.

Are Muslims particularly exploited by zealots and warmongers? Perhaps, the Islamic sense of social and moral conformity is very strong; maybe that makes it easier to exploit.

[SoMe1]

Pinno, do you deny that Islam is the fastest growing religion on earth?

[Mr Tickle]

Hi GH,

I'll explain myself better, followers of Islam seem to be terrorised into behaving in a certain way at the risk of missing out on a place in heaven.

They are quickly brought into line through fear of going to hell etc etc. This makes a person easier to manipulate.

SoMe,

I have absolutely no idea if Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world - I have never paid much attention to statistics (of any description)

I am sure that whatever religion is giving birth to the most people has something to do with it. If there was suddenly an explosion of births in Sussex, there will be a lot more Brighton supporters in 10 years!