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FAITH86
17-10-08, 09:13 PM
The Masjed Al Haram Seizure


On November 20, 1979 — the first day of the Islamic year 1400 — the Grand Mosque in Mecca was seized by a well-organized group of 1,300 to 1,500 men under al-Otaibi's leadership.

The Grand Mosque Seizure lasted two weeks before Saudi Arabian special forces attempted to break into the Mosque. They employed many methods to break down the doors of the Mosque, including tanks, but failed in the end due to the doors' strength. The Minister of Defence, Prince Sultan, finally called the Pakistani Army to handle the situation. As a Muslim country, Pakistan was eager to offer help. It was General Zia-ul-Haq at that time who directed the Pakistan Army and who finally captured the mosque with the help of French paramilitary forces. Some theories suggest that Egyptian Special Forces were used as well. Upon entering the mosque, it was full of dead bodies and waste. The fleeing rebels tried to escape through water tunnels around the mosque, which were then flushed with water to bring the rebels out.

When Juhaymaan was arrested he refused to speak to anyone until a group of scholars from Medina who were his teachers, led by Shaykh Muhammad al-Ameen ash-Shanqeetee visited him in prison and embraced him and wept severely and asked him for his justification. Juhaymaan replied that he was motivated by the turmoil of that time and that he hoped that if they called on Allah and asked for forgiveness that perhaps Allah would forgive them.[citation needed]

Juhayman and 67 members of his group were subsequently beheaded by the Saudi Government.
Another
article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Mosque_Seizure)


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Who's Juhayman al-Otaibi?
Juhayman ibn Muhammad ibn Sayf al-Otaibi was a militant who led the takeover of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Islam's holiest site, in the last months of 1979.
Biography (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juhaiman_ibn_Muhammad_ibn_Saif_al_Utaybi)

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I know only few people who heard of the takeover of Al Masjid Al Haram in 1979 and was totally shocked when I first read about it one month ago. So searched in the net and found couple of articles both in Arabic and English.
The amazing think about it though is how stupid is this Juhaiman and his company, and how dumb he was when he believed that his sister's husband is the "Mahdi Al Montazar - the redeemer of Islam", who later on started giving him orders to kill irreligious saudi people and planned with him the takeover of the Grand Mosque in Mecca after Fajer prayer on the first day of the hijri year 1400..

Have you ever heard of that indecent?

BrAiKi
17-10-08, 09:20 PM
I heard of this incident and watched a video of it.
One crazy guy I gotta say!

FAITH86
17-10-08, 09:25 PM
PS: I'm not causing "Fitna" by posting this thread. However, exaggeration in any religion is unacceptable and Islam is all about moderation and peace and what happened in Mecca in 1979 was extremely shocking to all muslims and all muslim scholars at that time

Muscati
17-10-08, 09:58 PM
There's a book that was written about this incident last year. It's called "The Siege of Mecca: The Forgotten Uprising in Islam's Holiest Shrine and the Birth of al-Qaeda by Yaroslav Trofimov". It's been on my Amazon wish list since last year and I never got around to ordering it.

Storm
17-10-08, 10:23 PM
Never heard about it, and it is really strange and kinda of shocking !

But I don't think it is really surprising, seeing what people are to around the world lately !!!

Arabian Princess
17-10-08, 10:51 PM
never heard about it .. from the article I didn't get what they were aiming for?

Markov
17-10-08, 10:57 PM
They employed many methods to break down the doors of the Mosque, including tanks, but failed in the end due to the doors' strength.

There are no doors at the Grand Mosque

KAKAA
18-10-08, 12:16 AM
yeah i've heard about it, makes me proud of the pakistani army. the best trained army in the muslim world

Jeff
18-10-08, 01:21 AM
I not only heard of it, I remember it!

It was a big, big deal. I remember the Saudis just didn't know what to do! Fighting in the Grand Mosque, killing and shooting guns! Impossible!

But there was no other way.

FAITH86
18-10-08, 10:30 PM
I not only heard of it, I remember it!

It was a big, big deal. I remember the Saudis just didn't know what to do! Fighting in the Grand Mosque, killing and shooting guns! Impossible!

But there was no other way.

Yeah but later, on the second day the Saudi special forces got a fatwa "permission" to fight against thoes bunch of extremists inside the mosque with the help of some Pak forces who did a real great job! Without them I don't know how whould have the saudi army survived..

AMARANT
19-10-08, 01:31 AM
really shocking!!!

damn some people are really crazy ...

wudjab
19-10-08, 04:42 AM
yeah i've heard about it, makes me proud of the pakistani army. the best trained army in the muslim world

Why are you downplaying the role the French played in this operation ?

Jeff
19-10-08, 07:56 AM
Why are you downplaying the role the French played in this operation ?

They were all Muslims, by the way...