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wudjab
09-10-08, 07:15 PM
Hindu-Muslim Family’s Choice of Cremation Arouses Anger

Friends and family remember Shafayet Reja as an affectionate young man who stayed up late to write poetry, danced exuberantly at weddings and explored the faiths of his father and mother with an openheartedness that led him to declare on his Facebook page, “I never get tired of learning the new things that life has to offer.”

But within hours of his death on Sept. 10 after a car accident, his memory — in fact, his very body — had become the object of a tug-of-war over religious freedom and obligation. It began when his mother, who was raised Hindu, and his father, who is Muslim, decided to have his body cremated in the Hindu tradition, rather than burying him in a shroud, as Islam prescribes.

His parents, Mina and Farhad Reja, say a small group of Muslims who do not understand their approach to religion are trying to intimidate them over the most private of family choices. “This is America,” Mrs. Reja said. “This is a family decision.”

The couple say that people accosted them at their son’s funeral, that an angry crowd threatened to boycott a shopping center they own in Jackson Heights, Queens, and that on Sept. 13, two men they know threatened to bomb and burn down the building. [why am I not surprised ?]

The men they accused in a complaint filed with the police — one is a doctor and the father of a close friend of Shafayet Reja, the other a Bangladeshi business leader — say that they made no threats and deny that they have called for a boycott. They say they and others simply expressed their concern about what they see as a deep violation of their religion [excuse me, what business is it of these people ?] and of the wishes of the son, who, according to some of his college friends, had recently chosen Islam as his sole religion.

The Police Department’s hate crimes unit is investigating whether the threats took place, whether they would constitute aggravated harassment, and whether they qualify as bias crimes, which carry tougher penalties, a spokesman for the department said. No charges have been filed.

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The cremation dispute goes to the heart of a debate among Muslims in America about what makes someone a Muslim — to some of the critics, the fact that Shafayet Reja listed Islam as his religion on Facebook is enough — and how to reconcile this country’s freedom of religion with what some Muslims see as a communal obligation to uphold religious observance.

But to the family, the dispute is a frightening imposition that they say violates their civil rights.

“We have freedom of religion, and we have the Constitution,” said the Rejas’ son Mishal, 19, who studies at Washington University in St. Louis. “Why would they bother us? It’s none of their business. Even if he was the most hard-core Muslim.”

To some Muslims, the fact that Shafayet Reja prayed and attended mosques trumps his family’s wishes. [hogwash]

“It was the community’s business because the community knew he was a Muslim,” said Junnun Choudhury, secretary of the Jamaica Muslim Center, one of several mosques around the city whose worshipers came to the funeral to plead with the family. “It is our job to bury him in the Muslim way.” [even more hogwash]

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He was also spending a lot of time at the Long Island home of Dr. Khondeker Masud Rahman — who was eventually accused of threatening his parents — and Dr. Rahman’s daughter, Farah, a friend from Stony Brook.

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When word spread that the family would hold both Muslim and Hindu rites for their son and then have him cremated, the Rahmans and others were upset. Father and daughter both asked the family to give him a Muslim burial. They said the conversations were polite; the Rejas said they were hostile.

Several dozen people, including the imams of the Jamaica Muslim Center and other mosques, came to the funeral home in Richmond Hill on Sept. 12, to attend the Muslim rite and express objections to the cremation. The Rejas say people crowded around them to press their case as they wept beside their son’s body. “I was having my last moment with my son,” Mrs. Reja said. “What gave them the guts to do that?”

The funeral staff called the police in part because the Rejas feared the crowd would try to block the hearse going to the crematorium. Mishal Reja stood in the door of the funeral home, asked the group to leave the family in peace, and promised he would try to get the cremation canceled — just to get them to leave, he said. The crowd dispersed peacefully.

Later that day, Dr. Rahman, an anesthesiologist at Elmhurst Hospital Center in Jackson Heights, spoke to a group of people breaking the daily Ramadan fast at a restaurant across the street from the family’s Bangladesh Plaza mall.

[can you imagine the feelings of this family who had the funeral service of their son distrupted like this ?]

According to the Rejas, and a report in a local Bengali-language newspaper, he called for a boycott of the mall and for shop owners there to stop paying rent, though he denied that in an interview.

Afterward, some of the people from the restaurant gathered outside the mall, waving their sandals in an insulting gesture and threatening to boycott the mall, according to two men who run shops there, who did not want to be quoted by name for fear of damaging business relationships. One said that at least one person in the crowd threatened to burn the building.

In the crowd, according to the merchants, was the secretary of the Jackson Heights Bangladeshi Business Association, Zakaria Masud. Mr. Masud, too, denied calling for a boycott, but said that protesting the cremation was “a social obligation and a religious obligation.” [yet even more hogwash]

The next day, Mina Reja held a press conference at the mall, at which she denounced the critics and asked for privacy.

Afterward, according to complaints the Rejas made to the police, Dr. Rahman told Mishal Reja, “We will bomb your building,” and Giash Ahmed, a real estate broker and former Republican candidate for state senator, told Farhad Reja it would be burned.

Dr. Rahman and Mr. Ahmed said in interviews that they never threatened anyone and were not even at the mall that day. Mr. Ahmed said Mrs. Reja’s decision was her business.

Dr. Rahman said expressions of anger at Mrs. Reja should wait: “She should have a time of healing.” He accused her of orchestrating the scandal and fabricating the threat.

Meanwhile, under the neon signs and rainbow lights of Bangladesh Plaza, shopkeepers worry that a boycott even by part of the community will hurt their holiday business.

“Why should they involve people who are not involved? How will we survive?” one of the shop owners said. Another said of the cremation: “It’s a family matter. The parents, they decide.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/nyregion/04cremate.html

marianna
09-10-08, 08:23 PM
For me it's the parents' decision and whatever the deceased individual wanted. No one elses. Period.

I plan to be cremated though my mother doesn't want me to but in the end it's my choice.

No one should interfere with the parents' decision regarding this deceased man's remains. I think anyone, irregardless of their religion needs to frankly butt out of this situation and leave the family ALONE.

UmKhalid
09-10-08, 09:33 PM
I cannot imagine anyone I know being cremated. =/

Regarding the topic, I agree with what you think: "[can you imagine the feelings of this family who had the funeral service of their son distrupted like this ?]"

They know that can't change this, there is no law there against cremation, so what they are doing is pointless.

I still see cremation as wrong, though I see it even worse to annoy two parents who just lost their son this way.

And as Asmaa bin Abi Bakr said to her son when he feared that his body would be altered after his death: "And can skinning harm the goat it after it's death?"

... It won't.

The son is dead, what is left is his body. They can go by Islamic teaching that says burrying the body is a way of honouring the person after his death, but if they are not going to do that, then it's not going to be a problem from the young man since he has passed away and what is left is but a body.

Reluctant
09-10-08, 10:22 PM
Allah is all-powerful, He is the Creator of everything and the Creator of us. Allah created us from nothing and made us humans when we were just a small little fluid in a womb. He can do anything He wants.

Narrated Abu Sa'id: The Prophet said, "Amongst the people preceding your age, there was a man whom Allah had given a lot of money. While he was in his death-bed, he called his sons and said, 'What type of father have I been to you? They replied, 'You have been a good father.' He said, 'I have never done a single good deed; so when I die, burn me, crush my body, and scatter the resulting ashes on a windy day.' His sons did accordingly, but Allah gathered his particles and asked (him), 'What made you do so?' He replied, "Fear of you.' So Allah bestowed His Mercy upon him. (forgave him)." Sahih Bukhari Book #56, Hadith #684

Narrated Hudhaifa: The Prophet said, "There was a man amongst the people who had suspicion as to the righteousness of his deeds. Therefore he said to his family, 'If I die, take me and burn my corpse and throw my ashes into the sea on a hot (or windy) day.' They did so, but Allah, collected his particles and asked (him), What made you do what you did?' He replied, 'The only thing that made me do it, was that I was afraid of You.' So Allah forgave him." Sahih Bukhari Book #76, Hadith #487

Narrated Abu Said : The Prophet mentioned a man from the previous generation or from the people preceding your age whom Allah had given both wealth and children. The Prophet said, "When the time of his death approached, he asked his children, 'What type of father have I been to you?' They replied: You have been a good father. He said, 'But he (i.e. your father) has not stored any good deeds with Allah (for the Hereafter): if he should face Allah, Allah will punish him. So listen, (O my children), when I die, burn my body till I become mere coal and then grind it into powder, and when there is a stormy wind, throw me (my ashes) in it.' So he took a firm promise from his children (to follow his instructions). And by Allah they (his sons) did accordingly(fulfilled their promise.) Then Allah said, "Be"' and behold! That man was standing there! Allah then said. "O my slave! What made you do what you did?" That man said, "Fear of You." So Allah forgave him. Sahih Bukhari Book #76, Hadith #488

Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "A man who never did any good deed, said that if he died, his family should burn him and throw half the ashes of his burnt body in the earth and the other half in the sea, for by Allah, if Allah should get hold of him, He would inflict such punishment on him as He would not inflict on anybody among the people. But Allah ordered the sea to collect what was in it (of his ashes) and similarly ordered the earth to collect what was in it (of his ashes). Then Allah said (to the recreated man ), 'Why did you do so?' The man replied, 'For being afraid of You, and You know it (very well).' So Allah forgave him." Sahih Bukhari Book #93, Hadith #597

Narrated Abu Said: The Prophet mentioned a man from the people of the past or those who preceded you. The Prophet said a sentence meaning: Allah had given him wealth and children. When his death approached, he said to his sons, "What kind of father have I been to you?" They replied, "You have been a good father." He told them that he had not presented any good deed before Allah, and if Allah should get hold of him He would punish him.' "So look!" he added, "When I die, burn me, and when I turn into coal, crush me, and when there comes a windy day, scatter my ashes in the wind." The Prophet added, "Then by Allah, he took a firm promise from his children to do so, and they did so. (They burnt him after his death) and threw his ashes on a windy day. Then Allah commanded to his ashes. "Be," and behold! He became a man standing! Allah said, "O My slave! What made you do what you did?" He replied, "For fear of You." Nothing saved him then but Allah's Mercy (So Allah forgave him). Sahih Bukhari Book #93, Hadith #599

marianna
09-10-08, 10:24 PM
^^How about condensing that for us non-Muslims and give your opinion minus the lecture?

FAITH86
09-10-08, 10:47 PM
Apart from the religious views about cremation, I believe it's pure disrespectful to the dead person. I don't think that any one of us would like to see his beloved ones body burning..Like come on! It's freaky!

wudjab
10-10-08, 12:21 AM
^^ That's a decision for this man's next of kin to make... which happens to be his parents... not the local mosque, not the local Islamic community, not the big shot mullah of all of the US, not the big shot mullah of all of the world.

And yes, not even you.

And Baa7th, how about telling us what YOU think.. we call all visit the hadith database and read all that stuff ourselves.

PS : I would actually prefer to be cremated. I don't like the idea of worms eating my body.

mimosa
10-10-08, 03:38 AM
Very sad to fight over such things. At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can try to force his father to choose something different, even if they feel they have to give "advice".

But I think an important point here is, however young and healthy you are, make sure your family know YOUR wishes about these things (and make a will...really).

STING
10-10-08, 08:17 AM
Wudjab you like being cream-ated?

marianna
10-10-08, 03:20 PM
I know for myself, in accordance to my religion, my ashes have to be buried and so they shall at the local military cemetary. My family knows my wishes and I expect them to be carried out in respect to MY wishes.

And in the case of this bereft family....it saddens me that people bring more sorrow upon their shoulders....the public needs to simply leave them the hell alone.

wudjab
10-10-08, 03:25 PM
Correction Marianna.

Muslims need to leave them the hell alone.

Jeff
10-10-08, 03:35 PM
What I took away from baa7ith's selections was the idea that Allah is concerned more with intention--if people cremate others out of respect for Him, He will overlook it.

Cremation is also against Christian tradition, though not being a law-based religion, the Catholic Church allows it so long as the ashes are buried.

But the problem with cremation is that it is originally associated with pagan religions which denied the resurrection of the body, a central tenet in both Islam and Christianity.

This is an interesting family. I once knew an Indian woman whose father had "converted" from Islam to Hinduism...I never knew how that worked, but she considered herself a Hindu and was married to a Hindu.

lak47
10-10-08, 03:44 PM
Just cannot believe this! Even after a person dies, people have the nerve to quarrel over how he prayed.

If they cant agree, i guess there's the Parsee way.

Threadlike
10-10-08, 05:06 PM
I cannot imagine anyone I know being cremated. =/

Regarding the topic, I agree with what you think: "[can you imagine the feelings of this family who had the funeral service of their son distrupted like this ?]"

They know that can't change this, there is no law there against cremation, so what they are doing is pointless.

I still see cremation as wrong, though I see it even worse to annoy two parents who just lost their son this way.

And as Asmaa bin Abi Bakr said to her son when he feared that his body would be altered after his death: "And can skinning harm the goat it after it's death?"

... It won't.

The son is dead, what is left is his body. They can go by Islamic teaching that says burrying the body is a way of honouring the person after his death, but if they are not going to do that, then it's not going to be a problem from the young man since he has passed away and what is left is but a body.
Couldn't have said it better...

lak47
11-10-08, 08:41 AM
Mankind can sometimes act real weird. I mean, how can someone else decide what has to be done with YOUR body after YOU have died.......this world never stops astonishing. Never. Whats the difference if you're buried or burnt? All that will remain of you in the end is ashes. Either way, you're going to become one of the elements.

Just my 2 cents though, as I've known a family who underwent the same problem.