View Full Version : Hijab, During & After Ramadhan
Superbia
25-09-08, 09:35 PM
A lot of gals cover their hair only during Ramadhan, but not in other months. I used to do that too, before I started covering my hair throughout the year.. I was never forced, but it did convince me to cover eventually.
Anyways, what are your views on this? Are you with or against it?
*Mods:
Poll please - A)With it B)Against it C)No opinion
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Personally, I don't think it's wrong.. I mean, you've gotta start at some point. Everything should be done step by step.. At least that's what I believe - nothing should be enforced. I was talking to my uncle the other day, and he was telling me that it's good that some gals wear the hijab (scarf) during Ramadhan, 'cause at least that way they're trying, as well as they're respecting the month. Kil shay bilhadawa (Everything should be done in steps).
On the contrary, my brother had a diverse opinion.. He said that there's no point of wearing the scarf just in Ramadhan, and same thing goes for gals who just cover half of their hair.. He was like she might as well not wear it! Since he believes that gals who show half of their hair, just want attention :os
I see no point in forcing someone to do something, because I believe that in most cases you'll just end up doing the complete opposite.
Share your views! With or against it? justify your answer(s).
Against.
Why?
Fake/Useless.
people shouldn't change themselves frequently and then come back to what they were.
I think both things could be true in different ways.
If you believe that hijab is mandatory in Islam, then obviously you need to cover all the time. It's no good covering half the time.
But that's looking at it as a GOAL. That's looking at it using pure LOGIC.
People are not logic machines.
You can develop a good habit or overcome your distaste for a bad one gradually.
A person who makes up her mind, "I INSIST on covering in Ramadan ONLY. I ABSOLUTELY REJECT FOREVER the idea of covering at another time" might not be doing something good.
But someone who is conflicted about the issue might be doing something good and preparing the way for something better.
I think those who are against it are simply seperating covering up from other religious obligations. It's absolutely normal - & kind of the point of Ramadhan - for people to try doing as much as they can to follow the religion, get good deeds, etc. etc., this includes abstaining from certain sins that one does on a regular basis, or picking up some obligations that one doesn't do under normal circumstances, & so, at least for some, covering up is oneof the ways they choose to go abouts the holy month. For others, it could be more out of respect for the month, because, I honestly think most people have absolutely no clue how special & grand the month is, & so some choose to try & respect it as much as they can, doing what they can.
UmKhalid
25-09-08, 09:57 PM
Most women who cover up in Ramadhan do it because they believe that not wearing it means their fasting will not be accepted, after Ramadhan they're not fasting so it doesn't matter anymore and Woosh! It's off!
UmKhalid
25-09-08, 10:15 PM
Oh, am I with or against it ... :p
Before I wore the Hijab, I didn't wear a scarf in Ramadhan. Just the usual clothes I wore before Ramadhan: Abaya, scarf on my shoulders.
Of course some Ramadhan-Hijabis would approach me in shock and tell me my fasting wasn't accepted because my hair is out, I would say I would rather not wear it at than wear it fully during Ramadhan like you do then right after it take it off again, as I said in the 'Stopped in Ramadhan thread', it seemed so hypocritical.
I'm not talking about it from the religious view, I am just sharing what I felt.
But what Nightface said is right:
People take the chance of the month to stop or to quit some bad habits, because for not performing or doing that habit for a whole month can be good start or can be enough period to get used for not doing it.
Many girls got used to the Hijab when they wore it in Ramadhan, and continued to wear it. That is great. There's a great positive side to doing good in Ramadhan because normally it would affect how you continue to live your life after Ramadhan.
So let me try to explain: I'm with it, but it hurts me to see that it doesn't affect some women after Ramadhan.
As for those who don't wear it during Ramadhan, I respect them for being true to themselves and not accepting to wear it despite the pressure they would get from people. But of course I'd love for them to wear the Hijab.
MissKindy
25-09-08, 10:27 PM
I wear scarf both during ramadhan and after it but i fully cover my hair in ramadhan whereas i show the front part of my hair in normal months :p
Does that count ?
UmKhalid
25-09-08, 10:31 PM
^ I hope you don't mind :p I'll take your question as an opprotunity to explain that I was pointing in my post to those who don't wear the scarf At All then suddenly wear it and suddenly take it off again when Ramadhan is over.
MissKindy
25-09-08, 10:39 PM
Hehe it's okay ..but i wear my hijab and i hope one day i cover all my hair :)
I used to find it pointless for those girls who are wearing Hijab only in Ramadan ( which I find it kinda of respect, even if they do it just to think that their fasting is accepted ! )
But I changed this opinion after an incident of a lady ( at work ) who used just to wear Hijab during Ramadan, and one time she just kept wearing it after Ramadan and when I asked her, it was that it got used to it and didn't want to take it off !
It was good try for her, and I think I would agree on this cause as Superbia said, it is good to have things step by step, especially in Religion.
With covering all masharee3 Ef6ar 9a2em (trans?:rolleyes:)
Hehe it's okay ..but i wear my hijab and i hope one day i cover all my hair :)
it's in ur hand ;)
As a guy, I won't see a girl who wears Hijab in Ramadhan only as a hypocrite. In fact, I will have respect for her that she is at least respecting the sanctity of the holy month and trying to do whatever she could to get her fasting accepted and get closer to Allah in this holy month. This is not hypocrisy.
Endure Whisper
26-09-08, 01:39 AM
No opinion.
FAITH86
26-09-08, 01:46 AM
I'm not with nor against it...But at least they're doing the right thing
I don't like it, I don't like the vibe I get from these girls/women who 'act' as if they're saints in ramadhan and total tramps once it's done and over. Just be yourself and stop being afraid of judgments, cause if you revert back to something bad after 'acting good' for a while, people will judge you even more for being completely fake and for not having a well defined personality.
Giselle
26-09-08, 03:15 AM
Who am I to judge.
I'd like to ask a question, the women that do not wear hijab, is their fasting not accepted? Because everyone seems to say that women only wear hijab/scarf in Ramadan so that their fasting is accepted. So what about the women that don't wear it?
Seriously, I think it's the niya (intention of each person). A women that's not wearing hijab might have better intentions than the woman that is wearing a hijab. God only knows what is in each persons heart ("Closer than the viens on my neck"). True that the hijab is part of the completion of a Muslim woman but it's all about the person(s) intentions.
So it's neither this or that for me.
*And I said intentions a lot...oops :D*
Awesome thread Superbia.
Threadlike
26-09-08, 03:59 AM
Who am I to be 'with' it or 'against' it? I won't be the one questioning them on Judgement Day the last time I checked!
Hijab, prayer, dua'a...Things that are between you and God. I do not force people to follow my logic but anyhow my logic is this: Living a life for God for some is not something easy, at many times it has to be taken by baby-steps. If you think wearing a hijab in Ramadan will make you feel better about yourself, get you in the spirit of Ramadan or contribute in any way to the way you worship Allah SWT then why not? It can only bring benefit...Like any other form of worship.
Nirvana
26-09-08, 04:52 AM
i have no respect for a girl who used to wear hijab.. then all of a sudden she decides to take it off
I never thought its pointless. To the contrary, I think it is extremely good and I totally encourage it:
- It shows they respect the month and people around them by not attracting men's attention to them through the exposure of their "good-looking" hairs.
- Fasting is a religious obligation just like praying, why doesn't anybody say anything when a girl who does not wear the scarf, wear one when she prays, then removes it when she is done with her prayers? Because they believe her pray won't be accepted otherwise, correct? This is the same thing. Think of Ramadan as one long prayer, you should cover your hair to fulfill your religious obligation.
- A lot of girls wear the scarf after Ramadan permanently, just because they chose to wear it during Ramadan temporarily. That's how I came to wear the hijab, it was after Ramadan; just felt right event though I did not intend to wear it permanently. So it is good. The chances that they would wear it after the holy month increases when we have girls wearing the scarf during Ramadan only.
And that's why I am SO with it :)
I don't like it, I don't like the vibe I get from these girls/women who 'act' as if they're saints in ramadhan and total tramps once it's done and over. Just be yourself and stop being afraid of judgments, cause if you revert back to something bad after 'acting good' for a while, people will judge you even more for being completely fake and for not having a well defined personality.
See, this is what wrong with the hijab vs non hijab impression! Just because a girl wears the scarf during the month, then removes it, doesn't make her a tramp when she removes it, neither does it make her a saint when she wears it. It has nothing to do with acting good either. It is out of respect and out of her observation for her religious duties more so during Ramadan than any other month. I mean, if she wears it for her prayers, why shouldn't she wear it during Ramadan? Do you look down on a girl who does not cover her hair, then choose to do so when she prays, then once she is done and removes it, she is back to being a tramp and while she was praying, she was "acting good"?
This is not only about impressions. It is more than that.
I believe that people should only fullfill their religious obligations when they're completely ready to do so, I'd have more respect for someone who doesn't do it at all than someone who does it only once only to revert back to their old habits which let's face it, that is what most people do in Ramadhan.
Religion should come out of total belief, and if one goes back to what he/she is doing then that only means that the person was not totally convinced by what he/she was doing so why bother at all? Just do it when you're actually ready.
The whole concept of respecting the month does not click with me if you cannot respect youself to be true to what you are then how can you have respect to your creator? It's mentalities such as the ones condoning such behavior that makes our society seem so hypocritical and fake like Saudis who stray as soon as they leave their country.
toxic_honey
26-09-08, 08:29 PM
i think they are fooling themselves
i respect a girl who doesnt wear hijab and wait for time so she would wear it and dont take it off again! more than a girl who take it off and wear it like its kind of a game or something :os
toxic_honey
26-09-08, 08:34 PM
plus i would accept it from young girls who tries to do that to love hijab or to try to get used to it step by step..
not adults
I believe that people should only fullfill their religious obligations when they're completely ready to do so, I'd have more respect for someone who doesn't do it at all than someone who does it only once only to revert back to their old habits which let's face it, that is what most people do in Ramadhan.
Religion should come out of total belief, and if one goes back to what he/she is doing then that only means that the person was not totally convinced by what he/she was doing so why bother at all? Just do it when you're actually ready.
The whole concept of respecting the month does not click with me if you cannot respect youself to be true to what you are then how can you have respect to your creator? It's mentalities such as the ones condoning such behavior that makes our society seem so hypocritical and fake like Saudis who stray as soon as they leave their country.
Ok, so if that is what you think, so how is it different from wearing it while you pray, then removing it when you're done?
FAITH86
26-09-08, 08:39 PM
I liked the way Nabhan put it. Having multiple faces ain't a good thing and eventually the person will lose self respect.
Superbia
26-09-08, 08:44 PM
^Having multiple faces? What the hell? :os It's about making yourself get used to something step by step, rather than forcing it on yourself at one go. I mean, look at me and Lym, we both decided to wear it after Ramadhan, after we used to wear it and take it off during that month. See, if you look at it that way.. It is beneficial.
Nabhan .. I don't think that last sentence was necessary .. which I didn't even want to quote :os
Anyway .. Every single Ramadhan for the past few years .. there has to be someone who asks me this question! .. And my answer is always the same since than ..... Better to be always wearing it than just in Ramadhan .. Or if your not wearing it at all through out the year .. than don't let Ramadhan make you wear it ..
3 a b d o o s h
26-09-08, 08:45 PM
Intentions.
Ok, so if that is what you think, so how is it different from wearing it while you pray, then removing it when you're done?
I answered that in my opening statement by saying that people should only fullfill their religious obligation when they're completely ready, maybe the accumulated guilt (if it ever exists) will push them to do the right thing at all times and not during specific times of the day or year.
I answered that in my opening statement by saying that people should only fullfill their religious obligation when they're completely ready, maybe the accumulated guilt (if it ever exists) will push them to do the right thing at all times and not during specific times of the day or year.
But don't you think you're taking the wrong approach. You approach here is: it is the all or non and it can't be like that especially with religion.
For instance, I did not want to cover my hair, till I was sure that I prayed which included that I cover my hair during "some" times of the day. Then I used to cover my hair during Ramadan only, because well, I believed it is like praying and in addition, it was "testing" how it was going to be like if I decided to wear it permanently - which then you realize it is not so bad and you decide to wear it.
See, with religion it is a step by step process (first pray, then cover during Ramadan, then hopefully wear the veil). You can't say that a girl who does not wear the veil should not pray because she is not ready to perform all her religious duties - basically if she is not ready to wear the veil, she should not wear it ever! She should pray with her head bare :rolleyes:. Perhaps she is only ready to pray, but not wear the veil. Perhaps she is only ready to wear the veil during Ramadan for the same reasons she wears it when she prays but can't see herself wearing it permanently just yet. You have to take these instances into account.
Therefore it should not be ignored that there is a clear advantage here, she is more likely to be ready to take the next step of wearing the veil if she attempts to wear it every Ramadan. It's part of the process and hopefully that Ramadan will be her hidaya (will push her onto the right path)
WoLF DoLL
27-09-08, 12:47 AM
I'm not going to judge either sides, I'll leave that to God, but I think a girl should wear hijab when she is 100% convinced about it, & is totally ready for it, other than that she knows that one day she is going to take it off.
Covering their hair in Ramadhan so their fasting would be fully accepted, is a really good reason, but then taking it off again after Ramadhan would totally look weird.
Arabian Princess
27-09-08, 04:33 AM
What everyone where who is aginst it doesnt realise, that when she is not wearing Hijab, she is sinning, if she wear it without conviction then she is not sinning but not getting thawab for it, if she is wearing it for Allah she is getting thawab for it.
So there are there three statuses here and the lady has to choose. I guess in Ramadhan, everyone is trying to reduce their sins as much as possible so its only logical to wear it.
Nabhan, if we all followed the way you want us to practice religion, then non of us would pray, fast or perform any religious duty .. because we cant be sure we are doing ALL our religious duties .. we are just trying as much as we know and can.
i completely agree with Lym.
religion is not something you become fully committed to immediately. it's a gradual process.
i'm pretty sure that some of the girls whom are wearing the hijab during ramadhan in hope of being able to keep it on after Ramadhan's over, are more worried about what Allah might think of their intentions rather than what people might think of their personality.
maybe she did take off the hijab after Ramadhan, but there is more than what meets the eye. you don't know what changes wearing the hijab during Ramadhan might have made in her life.
one of those ramadhans she'll hopefully be ready to cover up. but until then, she can only hope it's gonna be this Ramadhan.
Nabhan, if we all followed the way you want us to practice religion, then non of us would pray, fast or perform any religious duty .. because we cant be sure we are doing ALL our religious duties .. we are just trying as much as we know and can.
exactly, well said A-princess. like always. :)
Plus, if the approach we are taking is one which people should not do something unless they're fully convinced then expatriates shouldn't wear longer pants or short sleeves shirt (instead of the regular shorts and sleeveless tops) during Ramadan because they're not convinced. They shouldn't respect those around them in that way..well because they're not convinced (leaving religion aside of course). So yes, that approach is wrong.
Same thing. Here the Omani girl who wears the scarf is respecting the month, even though she is not fully convinced,just like an expatiate who might cover more during Ramadan. They're both covering more during the month. Why should one be seen as wrong while the other is totally expected?
And don't say because one is to do with culture and the other one is religion...because wearing the scarf might just be worn for cultural reasons.
Haroundb
27-09-08, 08:33 AM
I am just with it, at least to know how to put hijab if one day it was 'critical', and to make an excuse that, I just didn't reject the orders of Allah fully, it was just difficult to hide my beauty during the year, but I managed to look less beautiful and less attractive in Ramadan, you know to help men survive the Holy Month!
The brain.
28-09-08, 09:21 PM
I'm fully with it
It all step by step.. Quran took 23 years to be fully complete….alcohol took 3 to 4 times gradual process to prohibit..
I think it’s a very good step to choose to wear as a start point, as I have read scientifically some bad habits can be taken out from ur dictionary if u not doing for 21 days.. this plus the good religious arguments made by Lym and AP..
and just adding to that it not she sinning by not wearing the cover it might leads other to sin when she exposed her beautiful hair..
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