Kurt Westergaard received the Danish Free Press Society's Sappho Award on Thursday evening for his creation of the Mohammed cartoon, which showed the prophet with a bomb in his turban.

The award is given out annually by the society, which was recreated in 2004 after a 155-year absence primarily due to its belief that Islamic censorship is threatening freedom of expression. Flemming Rose, former editor-in-chief for Jyllands-Posten newspaper - also Westergaard's workplace - received the award for his publication of the cartoons in 2007.

At the ceremony, Westergaard was handed his award by Iranian-born actor Farshad Kholghi, member of Sappho's internet publication. Kholghi said he was 'proud' of Westergaard's work.

The Sappho Award comes with a 20,000 kroner prize and a statue of the ancient Greek poet designed by Danish sculptor Uwe Max Jensen.

Westergaard said he was very touched by the award and was dedicated to continue working towards preserving democracy. (RC)

http://www.cphpost.dk/get/107371.html.

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Stupidiy!

May he receive his big reward in the hell fire. Ameen

They are provoking the Muslims by such attitude.

He was given this award by an Iranian born, Farshad Khloghi, based on the name, I think he was/is a muslim.
Muslims provoking Muslims? :XD:

That sounds like a very big deal.
Nobody will provoke Muslims if Muslims weren't provoked before.

He was given this award by an Iranian born, Farshad Khloghi, based on the name, I think he was/is a muslim.
Muslims provoking Muslims? :XD:

Farshad is not Muslim :)

what is he then? I assumed it based on the name & the place he was born :think:

He's Bahai not a muslim Braiki, don't assume basing on names .

How can a muslim be proud of such thing?

He can't be a muslim.

:{وَلَنْ تَرْضَى عَنْكَ الْيَهُودُ وَلَا النَّصَارَى حَتَّى تَتَّبِعَ مِلَّتَهُمْ...[120]}[سورة البقرة].

120. Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance." Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against Allah.

Question...so this guy hates Islam....

How about the Arab press promoting hatred of the Jews?

please explain the difference...

fatak

Zionists are committing daily crimes against Palestinians.

fatak,
You ever seen an Arab artist drawing a cartoon of Moses or Jesus or Noah (Peace Be Upon Them All) and claiming it's 'free of speech'? And then receiving an award for it?
You haven't because they don't exist.

He's Bahai not a muslim Braiki, don't assume basing on names .

Thanks for the info, thats why I added 'I think' there, so smart people like you can correct me :)

Question...so this guy hates Islam....

How about the Arab press promoting hatred of the Jews?

please explain the difference...

fatak

We must condemn all insults made by any groups. If Arab or Muslim press promotes hatred of the Jews, we all must boycott them the same way we boycott Denmark :yes:

I can wait to read this from one of the et al's : If you, arabs, did not protest aggressively this would not happen.

I don't believe Cartoons like that should be drawn by anybody.. Muslims or not..

And I'm all for freedom of speech but not where your deliberately trying to provoke hatred and insulting another religion.. I think whatever a persons trying to get to or say, can be done without having to go to such extreme measure and say it's "freedom of speech"

There's limits to everything, and ofcourse if a person feels like theyre being attacked, well the outcome isn't gonna be pretty.. You gottah be smart about things.. Discuss and say what's on your mind but keep in mind the other persons point of view.. More people should handle things with RESPECT towards others, So that other ppl can follow along as well.. ;p

Jaadore, agree with what you said.

Think again:
Freedom of speech - does it mean you have freedom to tell wrong facts ? Did Muhammad ever put bombs on his head ?

Similarly, I know that in many "Muslim" countries Jews are potrayed badly by some of the media. This is also barbaric and uncivilized. I do not know where to complain against this since most of the media are government-owned, and they are all Un-democratic.

I think we need world organizations such as UN to bring those racist media to justice :yes:

Thanks for the info, thats why I added 'I think' there, so smart people like you can correct me :)

I don't see why you're exasperated about it. You made an assumption and I highlighted it. Am sorry this made you feel mad but when you say:

Muslims provoking Muslims?

Some others who read this will believe it.

Jaadore, agree with what you said.

Think again:
Freedom of speech - does it mean you have freedom to tell wrong facts ? Did Muhammad ever put bombs on his head ?

Similarly, I know that in many "Muslim" countries Jews are potrayed badly by some of the media. This is also barbaric and uncivilized. I do not know where to complain against this since most of the media are government-owned, and they are all Un-democratic.
I think we need world organizations such as UN to bring those racist media to justice :yes:

This is something else. Arabs and muslims are portrayed as terrrists too and we are ok with it. We actually don't care. But here we are talking about some one who's important and revered by millions around the world being insulted and ridiculed . Not mentioning the facts were all calumnies. Freedom of speech should have limits. But actually discussinng this here is in vain so am not bothered.

^ I didn't know that thanking you would make you think that I'm mad :os
Thanx again anyway! (yes you made me even more mad :hyper:)
Back to topic:

He got awarded then good for him! Some people appreciate trash, some don't. Different people with different opinions, life moves on.

Ice tea, what were you doing on the Copenhagen post ?! I thought you were boycotting them. Funny.

I think the cartoon was actually funny. It's obvious though that he got the award for politics and not for his skills.

Besides...similar drawings have been published in an Egyption (NOTE ARAB MUSLIM COUNTRY) way before the Dans did it and no fuss was made about it.

I think Farshad Iranian guy is an ex-Muslim.

I think the cartoon was actually funny. It's obvious though that he got the award for politics and not for his skills.

Besides...similar drawings have been published in an Egyption (NOTE ARAB MUSLIM COUNTRY) way before the Dans did it and no fuss was made about it.

That's true, Snooky! It wasn't similar; it was the same cartoons!

Farshad Kholghi, a Muslim actor who belongs to the society's Internet publication, presented the award, saying he is "proud" of Westergaard.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/05/23/two-short-ones-upi

A la cérémonie, Westergaard s’est vu remettre le prix par l’acteur Farshad Kholghi, membre de la publication internet de Sappho et musulman.
At the ceremony, Westergaard was handed his award by the actor Farshad Kholghi, member of Sappho's internet publication and muslim
http://www.pointdebasculecanada.ca/spip.php?breve537

I guess he is muslim..

Oh yes,

Just when I had forgot all about the Muhammad Cartoons...

And ironically it is Ice Tea, perhaps the most offended person I know about this, who happens to resurrect the issue from nowhere.

That's true, Snooky! It wasn't similar; it was the same cartoons!
Sucks when an old man has a better memory than you http://egyptiansandmonkey.blogspot.com/2006/02/boycott-egypt.html

Sucks when an old man has a better memory than you http://egyptiansandmonkey.blogspot.com/2006/02/boycott-egypt.html

I can't believe you read Sandmonkey! :p

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/05/23/two-short-ones-upi



http://www.pointdebasculecanada.ca/spip.php?breve537

I guess he is muslim..

Now read here:
Farshad Kholghi: Comedian and column-writer, originally from Iran. He has lived in Denmark for twenty years. After having harshly criticized and made fun of the Muslim immigrants he has been threatened. Once it became known that he was a Bahai and not a Muslim, he was not referred to as a “traitor” but as a “Danish idiot.” Kholghi has a secret address and phone number and is reluctant to use public transportation, as he explains, due to reactions to his comments on Muslims like Osama bin Laden.


http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:Eip-FTYgtXsJ:www.humanityinaction.org/docs/Final_report_Karina_130CAD.doc+Farshad+Kholghi+is+ not+a+muslim&hl=ar&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=om

In Farshad Kholghi's Bahai family no one would believe at first that the embassy had been seized. Later his family thought: "good, now the US will come and liberate us".


http://www.sappho.dk/Den%20loebende/HansenEnglish.html

I guess he isn't muslim.

Commmon sense: A muslim will never insult or agree in insulting prophet Mohammed :PBUH: .

Try to read few things about this man's history and you will understand his hatred towards muslims. Insulting and mocking muslims is not something new from him, he is always mocking muslim immigrants in Denmark.

What is mind blowing to me is that this issue continues to provoke Muslims all over the world. why not turn a blind eye? cause Muslims being outraged just means that they accomplished what they wanted to accomplish when they decided to illustrate those cartoons and publish them.

^^

I think you are right.

The less opposition there is to these things, the more they will just quickly sink into the memory hole.

These cartoons were published in a tiny provincial Danish newspaper that nobody reads.

But as a result of the brouhaha, the newspaper is famous all throughout the world and the cartoons are published and republished and republished and everybody knows them.

If Muslims had just said, "There those Western kaffirs go, being idiots. What can we expect from people who walk around naked and don't believe in God?" no one would ever heard of the cartoons.

It's like a kid throwing a tantrum. If you ignore him, he'll quit.

If you pay attention, he'll do it again and again.

^^

I think you are right.

The less opposition there is to these things, the more they will just quickly sink into the memory hole.

These cartoons were published in a tiny provincial Danish newspaper that nobody reads.

But as a result of the brouhaha, the newspaper is famous all throughout the world and the cartoons are published and republished and republished and everybody knows them.

If Muslims had just said, "There those Western kaffirs go, being idiots. What can we expect from people who walk around naked and don't believe in God?" no one would ever heard of the cartoons.

It's like a kid throwing a tantrum. If you ignore him, he'll quit.

If you pay attention, he'll do it again and again.

... :D :D :D ...

i dont really know what to say but this whole world is pathetic if u ask me, why is it when white ppl do something its okay yet anyone with brown skin or black in general cant its just wrong in the eyes of them white folks no offense to those who are European or American but its true.


i saw a biography on this cartoon thing and they went to the guy who wrote it and he said he didnt mean to say there terrorist but Islamic religion makes people seem like that since they do things that is wrong and what not but,


Fu<k man!!!


as a Muslim myself

i say

IT DOESNT NOT SAY ANYWHERE KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE IS RIGHT NOR DOES IT SAY THAT KILLING A FAMILY MEMBER IS RIGHT

P.S GO READ ABOUT ISLAM THAN COME AND CRITISIS

i dont really know what to say but this whole world is pathetic if u ask me, why is it when white ppl do something its okay yet anyone with brown skin or black in general cant its just wrong in the eyes of them white folks no offense to those who are European or American but its true.

Is it true?

I can't think of any examples of white people doing something that is considered OK, but when non whites do it, it is not ok. (Except for maybe dancing badly.)

Anybody have any examples?

I have:

- Israelis killing paletinians is OK cos they are defending themselves while palestinians killing israelis is not OK, they are terrorists.

- Americans killing Iraqis ( tens of thousands ) is OK cos they are freeing them and their aim is moral while Iraqis kill americans to free their land is not OK: they are terrorists.

- Insulting a prophet means alot to muslims is OK cos who gives a damn to muslims and they are terrorists and this is freedom of speech while denying the holocaust in WWII is not OK, Oh my God they were killed brutally you deny it, you question it you go to prison.



Wana more ?

^Europeans stick up for Palestinians, send them loads of money and criticise Israel in all their media.

White meat rules. :hyper:

This cartoon run in a Jordanian newspaper...isn't exactly flattering to Americans...

fatak

That's true, Snooky! It wasn't similar; it was the same cartoons!

That's untrue Jeff.
The newspaper you're talking about is Al Fajr, based in Egypt.
It REPRINTED the cartoons in October 17th, 2005 along with a big huge article attacking the cartoons. And it printed only SIX out of the TWELVE cartoons.
The cartoons were ORIGINALLY printed in the Jyllands-Posten in 30th September, 2005.

According to my old kindergarten teacher, September usually comes right before October.

What is mind blowing to me is that this issue continues to provoke Muslims all over the world. why not turn a blind eye? cause Muslims being outraged just means that they accomplished what they wanted to accomplish when they decided to illustrate those cartoons and publish them.
Let's close our eyes for a minute... and imagine that not one muslim bat an eye lid at the cartoons back when they happened.

a) Attention would not have been drawn to them in this way. At present, anyone who has access to any form of media has seen these cartoons. Do you have any idea just how massive that exposure is?

b) They would have been nothing more than squiggles that got forgotten the next day.

c) The cartoonist would certainly not be getting this award. :hyper:

d) People around the world would not have started to think that a very large portion of muslims could get so angry, they'd even get violent over something so.. trivial.

e) Since then, people all over the world feel the need to challenge the muslim response and demands because of the dangers towards restricting freedom of speech. Thousands more have been drawn to not only ridicule the 'rule of not drawing the prophet' but also the muslim's exaggerated response.


No... if not one muslim bat an eyelid, it would have served the prophet and Allah greater because without maybe realising at first, the muslim's exaggerated outrage is what has drawn the world's attention to the very drawings that they are outraged about.

It's kinda like.. Someone took photos of your wife while she was changing and you made such a HUGE fuss about it, that now everyone has seen these photos of your wife in her underwear. :rolleyes:

Does it make sense?

NO.

Have you done your wife a service?

NO.


I just don't know how long it will take some people to realise just HOW differently all this could have been handled.

The people who made the initial fuss MONTHS later and spread the "news" about them in the middle east, did so to stoke a big fire. And many people played right into their hands.

Just imagine for one minute... how popular you'all have made Jyllands Posten. A little obscure newspaper no one had ever heard about before....

Why I would care?! They want the attention, just ignore, so you don't grant them that.

Why I would care?! They want the attention, just ignore, so you don't grant them that.
exactly my thoughts. if you don't agree, don't look. if you get angry, you (in general) are only giving the cartoonist more credit and more publicity, and more reason for him to draw more cartoons.

There is some thing in arabic we call " عقدة نقص " ... I do know the proper interpretation for it but I guess would literally call it " shortage crisis " .. it's something psychological.

People like this stupid cartoonist have it, as they just feel so shallow and empty in their inside against someone or something and they try to fill it with something that seems to them it will make them feel better. Unfortunately, it is not working as they are planning but it's just gets worst and worst.

And such people they need to get behaved somehow by someone!!.. and we Omanies say: who is not behaved by his/er family, an outsider will get him/er behaved.

Let's close our eyes for a minute... and imagine that not one muslim bat an eye lid at the cartoons back when they happened.



See the thing is, muslims can't just keep quiet while prophet Mohammed pbuh is disrespected in such way.

Other advantage is that many people in the west are not aware about prophet Mohammed pbuh and Islam, so after this event and the reaction from muslims they started to read about Islam and many people including in Denmark converted to Islam after finding the truth.

See the thing is, muslims can't just keep quiet while prophet Mohammed pbuh is disrespected in such way.

Other advantage is that many people in the west are not aware about prophet Mohammed pbuh and Islam, so after this event and the reaction from muslims they started to read about Islam and many people including in Denmarkconverted to Islam after finding the truth.

This is what I exactly wanted to tell to Thalia and minerva, you've saved my time buddy.

See the thing is, muslims can't just keep quiet while prophet Mohammed pbuh is disrespected in such way.

Other advantage is that many people in the west are not aware about prophet Mohammed pbuh and Islam, so after this event and the reaction from muslims they started to read about Islam and many people including in Denmark converted to Islam after finding the truth.

There are no 'advantages' of our prophet being drawn up offensively IceTea. No matter how many times you go around that, there are SO SO SO many better ways to introduce our prophet PBUH to the people.
BUT, after the cartoons:
Many of us riot.
Many of us protest.
Many of us give it so much importance.
Eventually, it causes A LOT more harm than it had caused good. I can't see how you can so easily and smoothly say that the number of converts has 'increased' in Denmark unless you have some solid, neutral and undisputed proof that it did (and mind you, not the NUMBER of Muslims but the number of Muslim CONVERTS is what you talked about).

Thread, I didn't say that it is an advantage of our prophet being drawn up offensively in a sense that it something good and muslims should encourage it. I can see that lately you always get me wrong, what have you been eating lately, ta3miya maybe!

My point is that the reaction from muslims also helped non muslim to study and search about Islam, and I remember there was a thread in religion regarding Danish people turning to Islam after the cartoons, mayeb you should search for it.

Thread, I didn't say that it is an advantage of our prophet being drawn up offensively in a sense that it something good and muslims should encourage it. I can see that lately you always get me wrong, what have you been eating lately, ta3miya maybe!

My point is that the reaction from muslims also helped non muslim to study and search about Islam, and I remember there was a thread in religion regarding Danish people turning to Islam after the cartoons, mayeb you should search for it.
Where did you get the idea that it did?
Do you know Danish converts personally?
Do you know how many Danish people converted after the cartoons?
Did the number of Muslim converts increase after the cartoons?
Do you have any statistics proving it in any way possible?

If you can't search it, don't have any proof of it, then it's called a lie.

Your point was:
Other advantage is that many people in the west are not aware about prophet Mohammed pbuh and Islam, so after this event and the reaction from muslims they started to read about Islam and many people including in Denmark converted to Islam after finding the truth.
To which I replied:
There are no 'advantages' of our prophet being drawn up offensively IceTea. No matter how many times you go around that, there are SO SO SO many better ways to introduce our prophet PBUH to the people.
So apparently it's not me who's been eating too much ta3miya :D

Here (http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53085&highlight=Denmark) is the link.

Do you know how many Danish people converted after the cartoons?
Did the number of Muslim converts increase after the cartoons?
Do you have any statistics proving it in any way possible?
I was pretty careful not to ask, 'Do you know any YouTube video that can tell me the information?'

That is enough evidence for now.

Next question.

See the thing is, muslims can't just keep quiet while prophet Mohammed pbuh is disrespected in such way.

Other advantage is that many people in the west are not aware about prophet Mohammed pbuh and Islam, so after this event and the reaction from muslims they started to read about Islam and many people including in Denmark converted to Islam after finding the truth.

I think what Thalia is trying to say is that this guy doesn't give a damn about who prophet mohammed was, nor about Islam. It was one way of making his newspaper popular and his mission was accomplished :no: thanks to us :XD:

Nevertheless, you're right, more and more people know about prophet mohammed and Islam now.

That is enough evidence for now.

Next question.

IceTea, it functions like this:
-You give me a claim.
-You support the claim with some evidence.
-You don't judge your evidence. Everyone else does.
-You have answered nil of my questions so I am very tempted to believe you have no answers at all because the answers do not exist.

The evidence already given, take it or leave it.

Let us stick to the topic.

^That's called running away. You started the whole thing and you can hardly back it up now.
If the evidence is a YouTube video from a channel called Islam Channel it is neither neutral or significant and it's invalid as evidence...I AM on topic.

A YouTube is an evidence.

So what, 7alaalin 3alaih (let him enjoy it). Even though he picked the wrong character (the Prophet :PBUH:), he only portrayed how we present ourselves to the West.

Didn't the drawing of Prophet cartoon has the same impact as 9/11 ? It should.

Remember the steep rise in the number of new converts throughout the world right after 9/11 happens ?

Didn't the drawing of Prophet cartoon has the same impact as 9/11 ? It should.

Remember the steep rise in the number of new converts throughout the world right after 9/11 happens ?
It never seizes to amaze me how you can possibly stand there counting the "steep rises in converts" while the VAST MAJORITY of the world would rather not have a muslim for a neighbour. And the feeling just gets stronger and stronger everytime a group of muslims make a big brouhaha, anywhere around the world.

You (as a global muslim nation), by these acts and responses, have earned yourselves the reputation for being closed minded, backwards, violent, impudent, barbaric, self-righteous, self-centered, back stabbers.. etc etc and the list goes on and on..

If you stop to think for a minute, instead of wreck your brains for your come-back, you will notice that I'm not making it up and I'm not saying that to offend you or anyone on this board. But if you took the time to self criticise, just for once, and see exactly how much damage you guys (global muslim nation) are doing to your own global reputation, you will actually realise just how trivial the number of converts are when compared to the number of people who think muslims are a bunch of violent wackos who kill anyone they don't like, including their own women.

So, I think you are faced with a big BIG Public Relations problem here.

Do you think more protests, more bombings, more hijackings, more 'death to the infidel' slogans are REALLY doing Islam a service, because some people might convert in the long run?

What about all those "potentials" who have suddenly turned into haters of your religion? Who is to blame for that?

Some muslims on this board are a joy to read.. like Umkhalid and threadlike..

Why?

Because they realise this. Their feet are on the ground.

"Palinuts" beg to differ http://www.kabobfest.com/2008/05/dunkin-zionuts.html

It never seizes to amaze me how you can possibly stand there counting the "steep rises in converts" while the VAST MAJORITY of the world would rather not have a muslim for a neighbour. And the feeling just gets stronger and stronger everytime a group of muslims make a big brouhaha, anywhere around the world.



I don't think that is true, what you need to know is what does Islam says about neighbours and then come talk and attack. People are having false impression about muslims due to their ignorance about the religion. Muslims can be the best neighbours.

And btw, no one said violence reaction is accepted, so your post is pointless. But at the same time don't expect muslims to stay quiet while the prophet is being disrespected. Try to understand.

I don't think that is true, what you need to know is what does Islam says about neighbours and then come talk and attack. People are having false impression about muslims due to their ignorance about the religion. Muslims can be the best neighbours.

And btw, no one said violence reaction is accepted, so your post is pointless. But at the same time don't expect muslims to stay quiet while the prophet is being disrespected. Try to understand.
Icetea.. I'm surprised you even bothered to read my post.. thank you. :)

This time, try to understand it and the context in which it has been written.

Muslims MAY be the best neighbours to have. BUT because of the image you are sending across when these violent protests, demands to curtail our freedoms so they are in line with YOUR standards etc etc..happen, the REST OF the WORLD is getting the impression that muslims are generally not people you can really trust.

THEREFORE (and this word is indicative that the point being made is about to appear on your screen now)

There is a FAR greater disadvantage than advantage when such things happen.
While you are feeling all proud of the exposure islam is getting, you are forgetting to ask yourself.. "What kind of exposure is that? Is it good? Is it bad? Will it deter more people than attract?"

Kapeesh?

You mind is stuck in violence reaction only, did it occur to you that boycotting is also a reaction, there are many way to react to defend the seal of the prophets not just one way. So again try to understand, but don't expect muslims to stay quiet and watching the prophet pbuh disrespect.

Practically speaking you should also defend prophet Mohammed pbuh because he is a prophet to all mankind, you belong to this nation which is prophet Mohammed pbuh nation, prophet Jesus pbuh was sent to another nation in the past.

So what, 7alaalin 3alaih (let him enjoy it). Even though he picked the wrong character (the Prophet :PBUH:), he only portrayed how we present ourselves to the West.


WE is including you but not me.. sorry sister but you always generalize. So he is portraying the way is UK presenting her islam to the west but not toomuchat's islam. :rolleyes:

And not me also.

There has been enough WE to take it worldwide. Also the killings of those WE during protest worldwide has garnered enough attetion to give the worldwide audience a good picture of WE.

WE is including you but not me.. sorry sister but you always generalize. So he is portraying the way is UK presenting her islam to the west but not toomuchat's islam. :rolleyes:

Don't worry, I'm sure you're presenting us just awesome on this forum let alone in the West...While UmKhalid will often say things like:
You don't have to be religious to be conservative. I would call someone conservative if they were respectful and didn't allow themselves to do or say anything that is considered immoral.
We still miss your very valuable contributions:
Maybe women outlive men in term of existence but not on mentality.

It never seizes to amaze me how you can possibly stand there counting the "steep rises in converts" while the VAST MAJORITY of the world would rather not have a muslim for a neighbour. And the feeling just gets stronger and stronger everytime a group of muslims make a big brouhaha, anywhere around the world.
.

They do not like Muslim for a neighbour but they won’t resist honey.

You mind is stuck in violence reaction only, did it occur to you that boycotting is also a reaction, there are many way to react to defend the seal of the prophets not just one way. So again try to understand, but don't expect muslims to stay quiet and watching the prophet pbuh disrespect.

Practically speaking you should also defend prophet Mohammed pbuh because he is a prophet to all mankind, you belong to this nation which is prophet Mohammed pbuh nation, prophet Jesus pbuh was sent to another nation in the past.
My mind is stuck on violence only, you say.

And yet fail to see how the rest of the world's is too.

Fine. Peaceful protests bring converts.
And what do the other protests do? The more common ones? The ones that end up on the news?

What do people like this man do when people of the world watch this clip?

Protest in London


This is a comment from someone who watched it. Now, open your eyes and ears here. It could help.

Posted by Madhammu in response to a muslim viewer's comments:

saladin, thankyou for your comments. Please tell us more about how Islam will dominate Britain, and how we shall all soon live under your Fascist Islamic law.

Please do everything you can to help spread the word of the horrors the Muslim community will unleash on the British people.

You have no idea how much you are helping us with your words.


Are you getting my point now?

They do not like Muslim for a neighbour but they won’t resist honey.
I agree. I too would rather have a nice jar of maltese honey (http://www.maltaproducts.com/images/malta_products/food/honey_wild_thyme_350.jpg) any day. :hyper:

Some more of muslim WE (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7f8_1211878349)

Isn't it amazing how I have any muslim friends at ALL, you know.. being a traitor and all that. :hyper:

What does this mean ? You mean you don't have any muslim friends ?

So what, 7alaalin 3alaih (let him enjoy it). Even though he picked the wrong character (the Prophet :PBUH:), he only portrayed how we present ourselves to the West.

I thought this was the smartest comment of all, so of course nobody noticed it! :p

I think the cartoon should not have been published and I think it was disrespectful.

But I think it was meant really to symbolize how Mohammed comes through to people if some of his followers throw bombs in the name of his religion.

The cartoonist probably has no particular knowledge of the man Mohammed and no particular stake in saying who he is or isn't.

I thought this was the smartest comment of all, so of course nobody noticed it! :p
.

I've noticed it and I didn't think it's smart at all ( Sorry UK ). I saw it as an 'unfair generalizing' , unfortunately, it came from a muslim.

How many muslims in the world ? How many portrayed the wrong idea about Islam and how many are practising the real Islam and acting like real muslims ? Am sure there are many good muslim here and there and bad people are everywhere.

These cartoons are not meant to insult muslims as persons. They meant to insult Islam as a religion. Sometimes this really makes me happy cos when enemies target you it means you are getting stronger and they started to fear you, that's why they are trying to slandar calumnies about you. Make everyone hates you which may make you weak again.

I remember reading an article about thes cartoons and when one of the newspapers publishers was asked why did they publish the cartoons in their newspaper, he said: ''Islam is starting to penetrate Europe and our countries. It started to be everywhere and we be believe it's a danger' .

Reading this statement really made me smile. And isn't it wonderful that Islam doesn't need anyne to defend it, it defends itself. While muslims are portrayed the most terrorists in this world, Islamm is still prevailing everywhere smmoothly and quickly. How wonderful is that.

I've noticed it and I didn't think it's smart at all ( Sorry UK ). I saw it as an 'unfair generalizing' , unfortunately, it came from a muslim.

How many muslims in the world ? How many portrayed the wrong idea about Islam and how many are practising the real Islam and acting like real muslims ? Ams sure there are many good muslim here and there and bad people are everywhere.

These cartoons are not meant to insult muslims as persons. They meant to insult Islam as a religion. Sometimes this really makes me happy cos when enemies target you it means you are getting stronger and they started to fear you, that's why they are trying to slandar calmunies about you. Make everyone hates you which may make you weak again.

I remember reading an article about thes cartoons and when one of the newspapers publishers was asked why did they publish the cartoons in their newspaper, he said: ''Islam is starting to penetrate Europe and our countries. It started to be everywhere and be believe it's a danger' .

Reading this statement really made me smile. And isn't it wonderful that Islam doesn't need anyne to defend it, it defends itself. While muslims are portrayed the most terrorists in this world, Islamm is still prevailing everywhere smmoothly and quickly. How wonderful is that.

I think I agree with some of that. I think it's a mistake to rush to judgment about a religion on the basis of some of its followers only. But I think you are missing an important part of the picture.

If Islam really IS represented by the bombers, then it IS something to be feared and resisted.

We are neither of us prophets, El Rey. Who knows what the final story will be or what ups and downs before it is completely written?

This is an upsurge time for now, in some ways. But it's also a challenging time for you guys. There have been advances before for you in history, and checks and retreats. Islam penetrated Spain...and retreated. It penetrated the Balkans...and retreated. It penetrated Russia...and retreated.

Now it is on the ascendancy again...in some ways! :)

Will this be the final push? I don't blame you if you feel encouraged. But it could be the high water mark before an even more disastrous retreat. And perhaps the ultimate triumph (I assume you believe in it) will come many centuries later after untold bloodshed. And who is to say if that happens that it would not be because too many Muslims were bad Muslims and drove people away from Islam?

Even if you believe in Islam and its final triumph, you don't have the final picture laid out all before you. If you really think that people get an impression of your family or your nationality from how you act, but not of your religion, then I think you are unwise.

And the lady is wiser.

Her wisdom is a credit to Islam. It makes me think better of Islam. Strength means admitting problems and taking responsibility, not simply blaming others, even if you think they are misled. Her attitude shows strength and confidence.

If I tell you that when a taxi driver picked me up in the middle of the night when no one else wanted to do so, even though he had a place to get to and he was Muslim and said he did it because of his religion, and that gave me a good impression of Islam, you will not be surprised, will you?

Well, if people throw bombs and tell us that it is because of their religion, many will get a bad impression of the religion for the same reason.

This is natural for human beings.

If a boy is raped by a priest and he says, "I hate Catholics and I hate and despise the Catholic Religion" I undestand and sympathize with him, even if I think he is misled. I don't say: "How dare you distort my religion?" And if people read about it in the papers, I understand that people will make similar judgments. Do most priests do this? No. Is it a fair judgment. No. So what? It's understandable and it's our responsibility.

How many will think this way? Most? Many? A few? I don't know. But I know that every single person matters.

But if someone sees guys at the Finnsbury Mosque talking about how Islam preaches hatred of the non-Muslim on YouTube and then sees news reports of people bombing buses in the name of Islam, some of them...a significant number... think badly of Islam.

And your response is just:

We will triumph anyway?

and How dare they criticize Islam?

That seems unreasonable and unwise and hyper-defensive to me.

And worst of all: Weak.

The cartoonist probably has no particular knowledge of the man Mohammed and no particular stake in saying who he is or isn't.

That is not an excuse to disrespect Prophet Mohammed :PBUH, if he has no knowledge then he should seek the true knowledge from true muslims.

LOL, hahah seriously whatever ..they're giving awards and Sh*t haha..Geez they're like very proud of what they did :p .. it's just drawings..
What kindda idiots are those ?!

Even if you believe in Islam and its final triumph, you don't have the final picture laid out all before you. If you really think that people get an impression of your family or your nationality from how you act, but not of your religion, then I think you are unwise.

If I tell you that when a taxi driver picked me up in the middle of the night when no one else wanted to do so, even though he had a place to get to and he was Muslim and said he did it because of his religion, and that gave me a good impression of Islam, you will not be surprised, will you?

Well, if people throw bombs and tell us that it is because of their religion, many will get a bad impression of the religion for the same reason.

This is natural for human beings.

If a boy is raped by a priest and he says, "I hate Catholics and I hate and despise the Catholic Religion" I undestand and sympathize with him, even if I think he is misled. I don't say: "How dare you distort my religion?" And if people read about it in the papers, I understand that people will make similar judgments. Do most priests do this? No. Is it a fair judgment. No. So what? It's understandable and it's our responsibility.

How many will think this way? Most? Many? A few? I don't know. But I know that every single person matters.

But if someone sees guys at the Finnsbury Mosque talking about how Islam preaches hatred of the non-Muslim on YouTube and then sees news reports of people bombing buses in the name of Islam, some of them...a significant number... think badly of Islam.

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I don't think this should be complicated. I liked the family example you brought jeff. Now let us relate it to the cartoons situation.

If I know two brothers. One is very rude and arrogant. The other one is kind and generous. The rude one treats me bad because he says his father told him so while the kind brother also treated me good cos his father told him so. The father is dead now. Now I am confused. Which one is right about his father. At the same time, I know the two brothers' father left a book in his heritage.. He wrote everything in there.

Now, If I said that this father is arrogant and rude because his rude son said so, then what about the other son who treated me well and also in his father's name.

In this case, I should resort to the book and read it. See if there is anything about treating others in a rude way or kind way. That book will judge the father not his sons.

When I only judge the father without knowing or wanting to know anything about him then I insulted him based on mere and baseless hatred.

And this is what is happening in here. The cartoonists insulted our prophet :PBUH: because they wanted to. They can resort to his hadeeths or the holy quran and understand his message. They didn't cos simply they didn't want to.


Regarding the priests raping kids. This is also an excellent example. If I heard that there is a priest raped kids and I know some good priests I won't go and slandar Jesus PBUH ( Of course I won't even though all priests did a nasty thing ) . I will go to the bible and look, is there anything about raping kids ? There is not then these bad priests are representing themsleves not christianity. If I went on casting christianity and blaming it for what some priests did then I would be either stupid or hate christianity though I kow it's good religion and wilder and his companions are the second part this am sure of. Simple as that.

Don't worry, I'm sure you're presenting us just awesome on this forum let alone in the West...

Baba, I have no intention to present you or whoever the "us" is.. I present myself and only myself.

And you are talking as you are with me 24/7 in the West lol.. for god sake save your comments for yourself.

Why are you so defensive?
I said:
Don't worry, I'm sure you're presenting us just awesome on this forum let alone in the West...

What part of that got you paranoid enough to think I'm baba?

How much worth it to reply? Absolutely nothing.

WHY WAS GEYAS POST DELETED? lool
I was honestly curious as to how the answer back would be ;p Oh well

Anyhooooo.. The funny thing is.. I'm reading a lot of posts on members speaking on behalf of the "worlds reaction towards us" orr howw the West thinks of us..

but lemme take the time to say.. that 3 or 4 members opinion on here don't mean Shit to me.. TAKE IT FROM A MUSLIM whos lived in the west..

And had.. CANADIAN/AMERICAN As NEIGHBORS..

I never got shIt from nobody.. And neither did My family..
They learned alot from us and we learned alot from them!
And anyone who was "MISINFORMED" or had no idea.. We opened their eyes to the freken Ignorance that some ppl are portraying..

And juss for the record.. Had anyone said anything that I would take as insulting or misleading, I woulda spoke my mind clear enough for them to understand me..
I wouldnt take shit from nobody.. and especially not from no fools ;p lol

But again.. I do my part.. I ALWAYS REPRESENT MY country and ISLAM the way it should be represented.. I would NEVER EVER HIDE THAT.. And you bet ur ***** after they meet moi they either love it or accept it ;)
how could they not! lool

MY WORD U GUYS.. u need to go and see for urself.. I mean im sure theres hatred n all that b.s but these members on here makin it seem like it's unmanagable or too crazy for us to be walking outside or doing our own thang..

I keeep seeing alot of "US AND WE"
and as im reading here i'm thinking.. UH.. wheres the " I "
Cuz had that been the case.. WHY DIDNT I EVER EXPERIENCE ANY OF IT ? lool

What does this mean ? You mean you don't have any muslim friends ?
Ignore it. It was part of a response to a post that is now deleted.

Bottom line: I'm not here to become popular. So if you or anyone else don't like me because of my opinions, that's perfectly fine. No body told me I had to like you.

I admire and have befriended many muslims on this forum and in my own society. Usually they tend to be people with an open mind and an IQ of over 80.

Back to topic.

A point I wanted to bring up is: Anything slanderous is slanderous to the people of the religion concerned.

You find it hard to fathom how the rest of the world doesn't care about your prophet. How they don't feel strongly about it as you do.

You have a point. But lets look as some irony here. (and you always know there's gonna be some, right? :D)

Let's not go tooo far and think of how we all concerned ourselves when other people's religious icons and characters are descecrated and proverbially shit on.

How many guys here even CARED when Afghanistan's Taliban smashed the Ancient Buddha statues in 2001?

Taliban's supreme leader, Mullah Mohammed Omar, issued a decree to trash all the statues, paintings and pictures in the country.

Did anyone even bat an eyelid at the descecration of someone else's religions icons and paintings here?

Sure.. you don't believe in Buddha. I know that.

So was that ok do you think? And if you were a buddhist, and what the talilbans did to Buddha there really really hurt your feelings and the love you hold for your faith, what kind of reaction do you think you should have a right to?

Hypothetically speaking of course.

Ignore it. It was part of a response to a post that is now deleted.

Bottom line: I'm not here to become popular. So if you or anyone else don't like me because of my opinions, that's perfectly fine. No body told me I had to like you.
I admire and have befriended many muslims on this forum and in my own society. Usually they tend to be people with an open mind and an IQ of over 80.

Back to topic.

A point I wanted to bring up is: Anything slanderous is slanderous to the people of the religion concerned.

You find it hard to fathom how the rest of the world doesn't care about your prophet. How they don't feel strongly about it as you do.

You have a point. But lets look as some irony here. (and you always know there's gonna be some, right? :D)

Let's not go tooo far and think of how we all concerned ourselves when other people's religious icons and characters are descecrated and proverbially shit on.

How many guys here even CARED when Afghanistan's Taliban smashed the Ancient Buddha statues in 2001?



Did anyone even bat an eyelid at the descecration of someone else's religions icons and paintings here?

Sure.. you don't believe in Buddha. I know that.

So was that ok do you think? And if you were a buddhist, and what the talilbans did to Buddha there really really hurt your feelings and the love you hold for your faith, what kind of reaction do you think you should have a right to?
Hypothetically speaking of course.

I disagree with you in some posts but this doesn't make me don't like you. I like you as a member and I like some of your posts as well and carry no hard feelings at all, If you meant me by ' you ' . We are here to discuss and disagreeing with each other respectfully is much better than agreeing blindly.

Anyway, If I don't care about something or someone this doesn't mean I go slander and insult it / him . At least there are others who do and I should respect that.

Regarding Butha statues smashed by Taliban. Most if not all Arab and muslims press and media condemned that action including me. I know that Islam doesn't ask for destroying historic heritage otherwise we won't find Egyptian statues of the pharaos now .

I undestand your point of view that some muslims deform Islam reputation by their un islamic actions and i agree with this and I understand your point that these cartoonists wanted their newspapers to be popular and muslims did made them popular. But I don't say famous, it's rather infamous. Also I still believe that freedom of speech should have limits including not insulting prophets and religions cos this will make only chaos, hatred and start the terrorism they want to avoid. They are fightinh a problem they created themselves.

Agh I've said I won't post here anymore cos am already fed up of talking of this issue like forever but couldn't. So this may be my last two cents in here.