I am not sure how rules are in ES, but i would imagine that any deleted post should be explained.

Moderators should have the courage to say that "I have deleted your post and these are the reasons ..."

To make things clear, i have posted a coment (twice) in the underwear thread showing my disgust on such a topic (which means i am within the topic!). A brave moderator deleted the post twice (for reasons not explained & i could not understand).

I demand an explanation, this is the simplict show of respect to the members.

You're right, an explanation should be provided.

We're here discussing, if someone disagreed with a topic being discussed, they have the right to express that.

I disagree.

The topic was not "Do you agree or not that this should be discussed".

So your comments are off topic. Your argument had nothing to do with the topic itself, but only with that topic BEING discussed.

So open a thread and call it.. "Why I disagree with topics like this being discussed" .. then you would be on topic. :)

I was away all day (only to find more drama here) but I'm sure the post was deleted because it was off topic and judgmental of the topic. You have your beliefs then keep it to yourself as we requested, but if you want to ruin it for others who are not as hmmm...conservative as you are then I suggest ignoring the topic instead of going offline and causing further drama.

You know something, I like that thread, it makes me see who are the members who like to dictate on everyone what they should and shouldn't be doing and I suggest to those, to be a little more mature than that. You being conservative doesn't mean the rest of us are.

You're right, an explanation should be provided.

We're here discussing, if someone disagreed with a topic being discussed, they have the right to express that.
Is it?! Many went off topic there & the moderator posted a notice to focus on the thread purpose instead of going off topic.

Now if you disagree with the topic discussed go start a new thread questioning it instead of drifting of the actual subject.

This is beginning to look like this :

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/stevegrochol/BeatDeadHorse.gif

Mods can't simply explain why every single post is deleted. There's a whole load of posts that are deleted everyday and it can be tiring.

Way too much drama has been created regarding this topic and all I can say to those who don't like our method of dealing with these issues then well there are many other more conservative forums all over the net, why pick on us? Yes we are omani, yes we have limits and we get to decide when those limits are crossed, that is exactly what we are here for.

The members jumped all over me and focused on attacking me and completely ignored how a specific member was addressing the team, yet subhan allah ( amazingly) that doesn't deserve to be focused on, that is acceptable (even though islam is also against that). How hypocritical is that? Absolutely disgusting but I'm happy to finally see for myself who knows what is right and what is wrong, and who focuses on what actually does matter.

I have had many of my posts delted sure it is nice to have it explained but oh well.

So if someone is a bit more conservative, his words aren't accepted and deleted, but if he's not conservative at all, then no problem with him posting qellt adab on the forum?


Aaa5, mal3oon yablees.

i disagree. mods don't have to give a reason. if they want to give it, better, if they choose not to, they can.

It doesn't matter really. It's just a forum. Most of the time, posts that have been deleted are off topic, or replying to something offtopic.

It used to annoy me in the beginning.. but now I realise that most of the time it is necessary for the sake of keeping threads on topic as much as possible.

It would consume ALOT of time for each mod to notify and post why the thread was deleted, since they vanish from the thread and not remain as tabs.

It is always good to voice our opinions but if the rules won't change a person has two choices: stay or leave. If mods won't budge then really there is not much else to do so why add to any aggrevation.

So if someone is a bit more conservative, his words aren't accepted and deleted, but if he's not conservative at all, then no problem with him posting qellt adab on the forum?


Aaa5, mal3oon yablees.
His words were off topic.

Just because Mr X is conservative, it doesn't mean he should have the right to ruin a non-conservative thread for everyone else.

So if someone is a bit more conservative, his words aren't accepted and deleted, but if he's not conservative at all, then no problem with him posting qellt adab on the forum?


Aaa5, mal3oon yablees.
You don't like what is discussed in the forum, just don't reply. It doesn't give you the right to go off topic.

And by the way, maybe you can show some respect & translate your non English words.

His words were off topic.

Just because Mr X is conservative, it doesn't mean he should have the right to ruin a non-conservative thread for everyone else.

Exactly, conservative members can ignore the threads they don't like and open a new thread with a whole new topic and not just post in the threads they don't like with the intention of trying to get it locked, that kind of attitude is not acceptable and is what makes us delete those posts.

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Umkhalid, we have contacted you MANY MANY times about your arabic not being translated, now how are we supposed to deal with that now? how many chances have we given you yet you're still stubborn about it. :)

That's how some members are..even after several warnings they continue do to as they please with total disregard of everyone else.

if it about that thread then report it...and DONT say nothing will happen
cause since the day it was reported (by just one member)
it undergoes a discussion among the team....................
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if its about action taken when U dislike or disagree on about a thread....the most appropriate way is to (again report) NOT to ruin and go off topic within the thread...
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Now if its about deleting posts without informing am sure that most of the times a prior notice is written in public or via pm urging members to stick to the topic...
and if They dont a deletion can be taken as an action without re informing several times to each single member that goes off the topic within the thread ignoring the public notice in it!!!....
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NOW if a members doesnt agree to the action of a moderator....a higher authority should be contacted...like super mod or as.admin or an admin (sleeping/honey)
and hopefully a prompt action shall be taken...!!
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Agreed...when I have an issue about a thread I will report it but I rarely do since I try my best to see the other side. Though sometimes I have to bite my tongue I think thug has a point. If you really hate what is being said then just report the thread or the member. Or simply do not read that thread.

What I find very interesting is that Gwantanamist has not been an active member around for a very long time and only posted a handful of times in 'family event' threads, yet he has all the time to complain, go off topic in a thread, and then he preaches about better things to talk about than underwear. Why are you wasting your time contributing to that thread when you can offer so much more in other more serious threads that can benefit from your knowledge?

I just find that really mind blowing.

I was away all day (only to find more drama here) but I'm sure the post was deleted because it was off topic and judgmental of the topic. You have your beliefs then keep it to yourself as we requested, but if you want to ruin it for others who are not as hmmm...conservative as you are then I suggest ignoring the topic instead of going offline and causing further drama.

You know something, I like that thread, it makes me see who are the members who like to dictate on everyone what they should and shouldn't be doing and I suggest to those, to be a little more mature than that. You being conservative doesn't mean the rest of us are.


Sorry Nabhan, but the way the moderation was excuted involved a lot of discripancy between those you call conservative and not concervative.

When others were off topic & were speaking "shamefully" on "thong" & "no underwear" the mods concidered it off topic but did not delete it. While when i put my view in, not only it was deleted, but i didnt even get that "off topic" notice.

Speaking about dictation & maturity .... you said you havent read what i wrote, so how come you judge on it ?!

The topic is simply offensive, and if it wasnt it would not have caused all of what you call a drama.

Yeah you're right. Sorry Nicobambi about the Arabic. It means 'Oh Satan you are cursed'

omggggggggg
thong is offensive. wizar ain't.
both are underwear and both have different functions
so. my advice.
get a life.
sorry if i went off topic.

if there's something you don't like, don't read it. period.

mods are not here to act like mummy and daddy to a bunch of adults having a conversation about a topic. they are there to keep rules. if no rules are broken, i don't see why they should delete a word/post just cos YOU don't like it.

(awaits the 'west' issue with eagerness)

if it about that thread then report it...and DONT say nothing will happen
cause since the day it was reported (by just one member)
it undergoes a discussion among the team....................
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if its about action taken when U dislike or disagree on about a thread....the most appropriate way is to (again report) NOT to ruin and go off topic within the thread...
=========
Now if its about deleting posts without informing am sure that most of the times a prior notice is written in public or via pm urging members to stick to the topic...
and if They dont a deletion can be taken as an action without re informing several times to each single member that goes off the topic within the thread ignoring the public notice in it!!!....
=========
NOW if a members doesnt agree to the action of a moderator....a higher authority should be contacted...like super mod or as.admin or an admin (sleeping/honey)
and hopefully a prompt action shall be taken...!!
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You see... its very simple when you know you are off topic to accept that your post has been deleted.
It is also simple when you really do have that "intenion" of getting the thread locked (something that never came into my mind!).

But when you are confident that you are with in the topic, then it is really upsetting to get your post deleted for reasons you dont understand!

I would like you to go to the topic & tell me, did each & every member just stick to the "color" answer ?
Why was it those replies on the "other end" that were deleted only ?!

Isnt this a biased decision, that i - as a member - have to question about ?

omggggggggg
thong is offensive. wizar ain't.
both are underwear and both have different functions
so. my advice.
get a life.


Exactly, they can talk about the wizar and how they wear nothing under it (there were topics on that) but they can't talk about the regular underwear COLOR that they PREFER (not wearing, but only a question on preference).

as I said, it's just an extremely hypocritical situation.

G....If you knew how many of us had our posts deleted...conservative AND non-conservative yet we do not open many threads about this you would be suprised. It is like crying over spilt milk.

Sure I got mad and some others did too but not mad to the point where we are creating many threads about the issue. This forum is for the melding of minds, to learn from others and there are going to be the bumping of heads also but right now all of this is sounding to me as a very obssessive compulsive issue which is beginning to simply look weird. Imagine a newbie coming in and seeing the threads talking about the UNDERWEAR and being slighted because a person was banned......Sorry but looks weird. Need to move on...............In the scheme of things not all that important and if it makes you so mad that there are various "immoral" threads find a forum that suits your taste more. Not everything in this forum is bad. I am not trying to be a smart ***** but to look at this in a common sense sort of way.

What I find very interesting is that Gwantanamist has not been an active member around for a very long time and only posted a handful of times in 'family event' threads, yet he has all the time to complain, go off topic in a thread, and then he preaches about better things to talk about than underwear. Why are you wasting your time contributing to that thread when you can offer so much more in other more serious threads that can benefit from your knowledge?

I just find that really mind blowing.

Nabhan,

The real mind blower is that you people dont see such a topic as "off topic" !

Can you imagine your self amongs women,men & children talking about underwears ?
Does this sound like a normal chit chat stuff that can be discussed openly just because we have nothing else to speak about ?

You can call me conservative, fundamentalist ...etc. It really doesnt bother me. What bothers me most is that we forget our morals & common manners just not to be called "conservatives" or what ever.

But anyways, i still think the moderator ows me an appology for not exaplaining why my post was deleted.

But when you are confident that you are with in the topic, then it is really upsetting to get your post deleted for reasons you dont understand!



There were clear instructions in the thread that off topic posts and complaints about the thread will get deleted. did you read them before you posted in the thread complaining about it (yes I read your two deleted posts which were complaints and offtopic)?

Nabhan,

The real mind blower is that you people dont see such a topic as "off topic" !

Can you imagine your self amongs women,men & children talking about underwears ?
Does this sound like a normal chit chat stuff that can be discussed openly just because we have nothing else to speak about ?

You can call me conservative, fundamentalist ...etc. It really doesnt bother me. What bothers me most is that we forget our morals & common manners just not to be called "conservatives" or what ever.

But anyways, i still think the moderator ows me an appology for not exaplaining why my post was deleted.
mods don't owe anybody anything.
this is not your website. you aren't paying for its hosting.
you don't like it, make your own forum. simple as that.
i get loads of posts deleted, and i do go off topic, and thank God there's a mod to keep the thread within context as much as possible.
nobody moans about it as much as you have. maybe because it's regarding the sensitive issue of underwear. such a shock horrror shame. tutt tutt.

It's not the topic that has caused any drama.

It's members that got their panties (oops) in a twist over it.

I have seen threads I think are a waste of space. Threads that I think are hateful. Threads I think are only intended as mockery.

If I don't like it enough, I'll report. Simple. If I say so on thread and it gets deleted, then it means I went around it the wrong way.

But anyways, i still think the moderator ows me an appology for not exaplaining why my post was deleted.

actually I believe you owe us an apology for not following the instructions posted in that thread. It's not like we were deleting and not saying anything, we deleted first and asked members to either stick to the topic or just ignore it. You choosing to ignore our instructions is offensive to us. :)

We are the ones who dedicate time and money to keep this forum active, one or two members not agreeing with our methods and judgment means nothing to us at this point.

G....If you knew how many of us had our posts deleted...conservative AND non-conservative yet we do not open many threads about this you would be suprised. It is like crying over spilt milk.

Sure I got mad and some others did too but not mad to the point where we are creating many threads about the issue. This forum is for the melding of minds, to learn from others and there are going to be the bumping of heads also but right now all of this is sounding to me as a very obssessive compulsive issue which is beginning to simply look weird. Imagine a newbie coming in and seeing the threads talking about the UNDERWEAR and being slighted because a person was banned......Sorry but looks weird. Need to move on...............In the scheme of things not all that important and if it makes you so mad that there are various threads about it find a forum that suits your taste more. I am not trying to be a smart ***** but to look at this in a common sense sort of way.

I dont like moving around forums just because i dont like what is written there.
Besides i concider my self an important part of the ES, although i have stopped posting from a long time.

I complained about the topic in the topic, that was deleted. Fine ... no problem, but i respect my self & expect to be respected by others.

Guwantanamist, just be happy to know that Omanis didn't reach the level of discussing these things in public. Only online behind nicknames.

We get it that you want respect and are self respected of course. Who doesn't want that....that is why when there are threads that are too sensitive for you just do not go to them. There are many political threads that make me seethe and I simply don't reply. I relply to some but those that really make me mad I choose to overlook since I don't want to get myself so worked up that I won't enjoy coming to this forum. I always give my 2 cents and then that is that. But as was stated earlier, there are many other threads here you can contribute to and provide useful information for all of us to learn from. That is the point of a forum to learn.

Yes there are some good points and bad points--some of us tolerate certain issues more than others and less than others so the best advice is simply to avoid those that really irk you.

I dont like moving around forums just because i dont like what is written there.
Besides i concider my self an important part of the ES, although i have stopped posting from a long time.

I complained about the topic in the topic, that was deleted. Fine ... no problem, but i respect my self & expect to be respected by others.

Would you therefore like your money back? :hyper:

Would you therefore like your money back? :hyper:
hey i want my money back too!!!

I want my damn blue silks back ... Guanto is trying to steal!

actually I believe you owe us an apology for not following the instructions posted in that thread. It's not like we were deleting and not saying anything, we deleted first and asked members to either stick to the topic or just ignore it. You choosing to ignore our instructions is offensive to us. :)

We are the ones who dedicate time and money to keep this forum active, one or two members not agreeing with our methods and judgment means nothing to us at this point.


Thank you very much for that, but you do it voluntarily & for the members of the forum, for they- the members- dictate a good forum from a bad one & not the money paid.

I dont agree, and i am saying it loudly. Look at the post "On women, hmm..anything will do really..as long as it's transparent. (I'm serious).".

Was that really on topic ?

isnt it concidered offensive to a lot of the respected ladies who participate in the ES and read such a comment?! :angry:

oh dear oh dear :no:

I agree with what you are saying. I totally understand and i think that the thread was inappropriate..BUT, i didnt write that i disagree to the thread and it's non conservative..etc. The only thing i did, was just not post in there. I don't like such topics either, and to not draw attention or cause drama, i just stayed out of it. I'd never talk about such things..so i know what you mean.

Would you therefore like your money back? :hyper:

Sorry i didnt get you ?

The members jumped all over me and focused on attacking me and completely ignored how a specific member was addressing the team, yet subhan allah ( amazingly) that doesn't deserve to be focused on, that is acceptable (even though islam is also against that). How hypocritical is that?


It's not hypocritical brother.

Do you recall that thread you opened about people who do not deal in a good manner with strangers. You refered that to his family not being raised well.

It;s the same here. if I *as a grown person* see such a thread. First I will blame the member for some reason that he or she is not aware of what his is talkign about. But if there is no action from the mods then I blame the mods.

And this is not about being conservative or not but it's about principles... because I do not think you personally would dare to ask your friends in front of your parent about the color of their underwears.

Finally, I would love to see your moderation team point of view regarding that thread. Thank you :)

isnt it concidered offensive to a lot of the respected ladies who participate in the ES and read such a comment?! :angry:

hahaha, I suggest reading some of Hitman's (and several other memebrs) hilarious posts all over the forum. :P you haven't been here for a very long time..so you're pretty much out of touch with how things are over here. And besides, why is what I prefer anyone's problem? Am I addressing any specific member? No.

Again, you don't like it, you find it taboo..fine..but I don't and I was direct with my reply and moved on from that thread..no fuss, no jokes, no chit chat. If everyone followed that pattern then none of this would have happened.

This is all the fault of MBC2 cutting out all the naughty bits in their films.

When my local cinema is showing a X rated movie, I can do one of two things

a) see the movie
b) not see the movie.

It's that simple.

ps:

I just realized that theres another option.

c) see the movie but pretend I didn't see the movie and then be a hypocrite and lecture those that did.

This is all the fault of MBC2 cutting out all the naughty bits in their films.

Its the fault of our culture ... we have morals that we have been braught up with.

'Inna Allaha ma3 el9abireen'

translation: Allah is with those who are patient.

It's not about anger, it's about peace:D

(i'm serious)

Its the fault of our culture ... we have morals that we have been braught up with.your morals?
It is Jihad, victory or Shahda .. which do you chose and which one is a loss, victory or shahada ?!

nice morals ... we all see the morals you've been brought up with.

You forgot to add http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/image.php?u=1516&dateline=1186859439

Ok this thread is getting out of hand, relax people:XD:
be happy..life is short..enjoy it:)

We are the ones who dedicate time and money to keep this forum active, one or two members not agreeing with our methods and judgment means nothing to us at this point.

Hmm interesting and very comforting to know.

I think you are right on substance, Guwantanamist. It's a bad idea for a thread.

But some people regard it as okay.

My guess is that the people who run the place think that's a legitimate question and they probably see it as a tad risky and a borderline question themselves.

I wish that we could be more relaxed about what is "on topic" myself...I don't think we have to do everything in exactly a straight line...

From my point of view, a discussion of sea creatures or President Bush is NOT on topic, but a discussion of how you choose colors for clothes or whether underwear is a good topic for this forum in ON TOPIC.

But...I'm not a mod. They have more experience in making these judgments.

So: when it comes to deleting posts, I think we just have to let the mods delete what they want. I just got a post deleted that I thought was (marginally) on topic and it made me sad to see it go...but there it is!

A small price to pay for such a great forum. And in general it's wonderfully well run.

Is it okay to open this threads:


*What is your parents underwear size/fav. color?*

I am not sure how rules are in ES, but i would imagine that any deleted post should be explained.

Moderators should have the courage to say that "I have deleted your post and these are the reasons ..."

To make things clear, i have posted a coment (twice) in the underwear thread showing my disgust on such a topic (which means i am within the topic!). A brave moderator deleted the post twice (for reasons not explained & i could not understand).

I demand an explanation, this is the simplict show of respect to the members.

I disagree with you!
I am not conservative (I don’t know if this term even fits here) or anything…I just think I am more selective to what I talk about in public and what not to…so to me it is a matter of “PERSONAL” taste…and that is my personal view, my underwear could be whatsoever, at least we can agree it is a useless piece of information about me… I would talk about it to my friend or my brother but why to people who don’t even know my first name!

But I don’t mind the topic being there for:

1.The internet is full of worse topics, why would I impose my opinion here…it is a free space…you can blog everything about yourself…if you don’t like the topic avoid it, just like you do with any page you don’t like on the net…

2.This kind of topics tells me about the taste of many members …without looking at that post, I know that members X, Y, W and Z wouldn’t be participating there…with this kind of topics, I know their tastes and I got a better idea about the best communication pattern I have to use with them…everybody will have something to add in a topic like “How can we fight drug trafficking?” so there is something to probe in the controversial topics!

The net is just like the real life, you cannot personalize it to mach your ideal template of how things should be… just try to act the way you do in your real life, it’s that easy!

Seems like you have got some free time in your hands guwantanamist

well said Pygmalion.

i moderate lifestyle sabla. and i've deleted one of your posts Guanta.
and i'm afraid it's not my job to repeat what a fellow mod has already stated in the thread.
Nabhan had previously asked people, who have got nothing to add to the thread, to simply keep their opinions of how 'low' and 'disrespectful' the topic is to themselves, and move on and invest their time in other threads they think are respectful enough to participate in.

no one is addressing you or any other member personally. it's not 'what is member's X underwear color'
you've got the choice to either share, or simply ignore. you can't impose on others what you think is appropriate to disclose, and what's not.

we are not on the hunt for each and every off topic! many off-topics have been left undeleted..
off topics are kind of fun if you ask me. but under moderation, otherwise all threads are going to end up being 'living rooms'.

all we're trying to do is to keep the thread on track, and that's by deleting posts that might either:
a) divert the direction of the topic.
b) end up with members flaming each other.
c) add nothing to the thread. (e.g: hahaha)

I personally did not like that thread, but I did not dictate it on others who thought it was normal. Since I did not like the thread and thought it was something personal, I simply did not participate in the thread. As Wudjab said, ignore what you don't like.

Guanta, you can't really expect that all the threads in this forum would be to your liking and I think people here should learn to accept that. We're starting to have more international members, more open minded members and it is as much their right to discuss what they think is appropriate as it is with you guys. You can't deprive other people of their rights simply because you want to exercise yours. However, there is a minimal threshold that no thread is allowed to exist below and the underwear thread did not reach that level as we are after all, an Omani dominated forum.

See, trying to find the balance between the conservative vs the non conservative is really hard. If a person opens a thread which won't sit well with the conservatives, their thread is reported and sometimes locked such was the thread "what do you like most in a woman?" and the thread starter was very upset that it was locked! Now if you compare the color of your underwear thread to such a thread where men say if they like a woman's breasts or butt more, which one is worse? The woman thread, right? That went below the acceptable level because it could potentially get a bit vulgar, the underwear couldn't because it is after all about colour.

Anyways, if you complained about the inappropriatenesses of a topic in the thread itself, it is ALWAYS an off topic. You should report it instead of sharing your opinion on the thread. Also, you complain about some off topics not being deleted while others are, and here is why: a moderator might place a notice just to tell the members not to go off topic and not delete their posts, anything after her/his notice will be more readily deleted than before. So yeah, you can't always expect moderators to delete ALL off topics, also what might be off topic to you, might not be to the moderator, sometimes it is very subjective and it is up to the mod to determine.

I'm with pygmali alllll the waay! ;p

To me something like that is personal, Therefore I didnt say anything in that thread.
But I didn't complain because to each his own and I'd be a hypocrite had I complained!
Only because I seriously get some sort of Amusement out of some of the posts that some might find "offensive" Lol

And I'll admit this issue has brought some entertainment for moi ;p
so no complaints on my end, But I can see how BOTH sides are annoyed :p

I will not add more to what i said, my concerns were clear & basic.

Moderators explanations were clear, to the point & accepted.

We have a problem in defining the "acceptable" & not "acceptable" behavior in this forum, which - unfrotunately - is dictated by moderators who share the same values and principles, i.e. there is no tolerance to those who Nabhan describe as "conservative" members.

A request from the heart then, since the forum is international & does accept different people with different views, behaviors & ideology; stick to what you state here & when it comes to other threads please keep them as they are & only delete the off topic posts.

One last thing, open mindness does not mean to accept the wrong & misbehaviour.

Thanks for your time ...

One last thing, open mindness does not mean to accept the wrong & misbehaviour.

Here, that term was used loosely, however it is goes to show that there is an emergence of members who are "willing to consider new ideas" & are "unprejudiced" by their values and beliefs.

In this case, what you have to understand that what might be wrong to you, might not be wrong to others and this is where being "open minded" comes into play and as you said, trying to find the balance is hard when they are so many people who don't agree entirely on what is right and what is wrong.

You state that there is no tolerance for the conservative? While, I just gave you an example where we locked a thread because the conservatives thought it was inappropriate and the team agreed by a majority vote that it was indeed inappropriate. Plus there are many other threads which were locked because they were inappropriate but we don't see the "non-conservative" members making a big deal out of it, do we? :bored:

Thanks for your time ...

Anytime :)

Will my post add anything more than the team had already said, I doubt it

But anyway, I didn’t like that thread and didn’t accept it been not lock but still I didn’t waste my time in it !

It as simple as that, I agree it isn’t a respectful thread, I won’t waste my time in it, and I won’t waste other member time with complaining and open a thread about it !

And when you don’t agree with a topic, simply report it and there always been action taken about report posts/threads. But if you post your complain within the thread and ruin it then that’s called an off topic and all moderators will definitely delete it.

AND, we won’t in any way post a reason for each single post that we delete or edit, a notice post in the thread about all off topics deleted and asking the members to be within the topic is more than enough to those who their posts have been deleted to know the reason ! and of course they are more than welcome to complain about it to the team through a PM not by posting another off topic !

A PM to one of the LifeStyle Sabla moderators would have done the job.

Seems like lots of drama has been going on, due to that 'underwear' thread. I'm curious now, can anyone provide me with the link? Or has it been deleted?

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It IS a sensitive topic if a conservative person is reading it, then again there are many out there whom aren't as conservative. Different people, have different values and norms. I think it's ethical if a person expresses his/her point of view once, and moves on - that is if you find the topic disgusting and shouldn't be spoken about. Then again, you can also just ignore such topic, and don't participate in the discussion. One should always take into consideration that not everyone thinks like you.

Its easy for some to say that moderators don't have to give reasons for their actions until they are treated in an unfair way, then they will ask for an explaining to be made.

Anyways, sticking to this topic.. I think the buzzzzzz made was silly; its no big deal that a topic with regards to underwears was open.
But still when a member becomes a moderator, that doesn't really mean that he is no longer can be questioned, does it?
If its the case, then no one should ask Bush about any of his dum actions :D

nice view Diabian...
any ways
issue is now over
as point of view was made clear