.... to be flight attendant ? I have never seen a single non-good looking stewardess in all flights that Ive taken. Why discriminate ?

Even in so-called "Muslim countries" in Middle East and Asia almost all airliners do not hire bad-looking or hijab-wearing gals to serve their flights . Why ?

Recruiting ugly-looking boys & gals will turn down the revenue and bad for airline reputation ?

I think this is a FAR BIGGER crime against humanity than what Bush or Saddam did . People are getting eduated enough not to judge any individuals based only on look.

What do you think ?

I don't find all flight attendants good looking.. Some of them look good after the make up has been applied. But yes, they recruit the good looking mostly because they want to please the passengers. And you gotta admit, if you have a chance to talk to two people you don't know, but one of them is beautiful, you'd go to her!

world trekker...if you are ugly and being refused...just live with it...you dont have to curse good looking...

i mean...personaly in a flight i want to be soothed...and just imagine a big fat lady who isnt any clean , has big ears and nose with fat lips and pimply face comes and serves you food or tries to calm you down while air bumbs or you are a person who gets scared on a plane...atleast a cute lady will take your mind off and you woudl want to flirt with her all flight long to get her number and will be busy with that!

LOL @ sameer...


It's all about image. Image is all to important .. The plane has to look good. The air hostesses have to look good. That's just the way it is..

all women are beautiful, but to be a flight attendent they need extra beauty, extra paint job on the face etc.

I don't find all flight attendants good looking.. Some of them look good after the make up has been applied. But yes, they recruit the good looking mostly because they want to please the passengers. And you gotta admit, if you have a chance to talk to two people you don't know, but one of them is beautiful, you'd go to her!

No, as Muslim we should judge a person based on piety . Not looks.


world trekker...if you are ugly and being refused...just live with it...you dont have to curse good looking...

i mean...personaly in a flight i want to be soothed...and just imagine a big fat lady who isnt any clean , has big ears and nose with fat lips and pimply face comes and serves you food or tries to calm you down while air bumbs or you are a person who gets scared on a plane...atleast a cute lady will take your mind off and you woudl want to flirt with her all flight long to get her number and will be busy with that!

I TOTALLY disagree with what you said :angry:. Ugly looking doesn't necessarily mean FAT. How about a skinny hourglass smiling lady with not a good face ? And why you need a Snow whitie good looking gal to calm you down on the plane !? Similarly if every company only recruits good-looking gals , where can ambitious but bad-looking gals apply for jobs ?

This world is full of injustice.

LOL @ sameer...

It's all about image. Image is all to important .. The plane has to look good. The air hostesses have to look good. That's just the way it is..

But how about those without good face ? Where can they apply for jobs ? Lets say your sister with intense ambition to be a stewardess when she grows up. If she is talented, if she is honest and dedicated in her job how would you feel if all airline companies turn her down just because she is bad-looking ?

This is what I call the Real oppression against women.

all women are beautiful, but to be a flight attendent they need extra beauty, extra paint job on the face etc.

The majority of men and women are naturally not good-looking, so if you paint with whatever kindof cosmetic it is, they can't have good face like magic.

No, as Muslim we should judge a person based on piety . Not looks.


I did not use the word "JUDGE" in my post. I said we'd rather; regardless of being muslim or not.. No one can deny that they feel better towards better looking people..

I mean, you're in a plane and there are two flight attendents (who are strangers to you and never met before so you don't know which is better) coming up your side. One is good looking and the other one is just Okay (or ugly),, by nature you'd go for the one who's good looking.. Atleast that applies to me.

Can anyone tell me if Islam discourages beauty? Didnt the Prophet PBUH say you can marry because of Din, Beauty...? correct me if am wrong.
Why do you have to mix up things with Islam? is it an excuse or what? Is the airline bound to Islamic laws? i guess yes. No smoking only drinking.

Because they are BeAuTiFul.

I did not use the word "JUDGE" in my post. I said we'd rather; regardless of being muslim or not.. No one can deny that they feel better towards better looking people..

I mean, you're in a plane and there are two flight attendents (who are strangers to you and never met before so you don't know which is better) coming up your side. One is good looking and the other one is just Okay (or ugly),, by nature you'd go for the one who's good looking.. Atleast that applies to me.

You will never find an ugly stewardess in any airline companies. Only good-looking and normal ones are allowed to work on the plane.

Can anyone tell me if Islam discourages beauty? Didnt the Prophet PBUH say you can marry because of Din, Beauty...? correct me if am wrong.
Why do you have to mix up things with Islam? is it an excuse or what? Is the airline bound to Islamic laws? i guess yes. No smoking only drinking.


The problem is, most of us fail to look at "Deen" aspect of any individual . We look entirely at one's beauty. One should try his/her best to have good apprearance to public, but what is FAR more important ( Islamically speaking ) is Deen. Can you explain to me why Hijabis are not allowed to be stewardess ? Virtually no airline companies, even in the Muslim world, takes women with hijab to be their staff. This is really disgusting and discriminative, don't you think so ?

there are few wearing Hijab but you wont notice them in the huge group of non Hijabist. But again, it is not banned. OA has few of them isnt it?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/amrufm/1310989911/

That is not pics of stewardess- they are band members for Independence Day celebration in Malaysia !

Look at Emirates, Qatar Airways, Malaysia Airlines, Air Asia, Royal Brunei- you will NEVER find any single FA with hijab. Is stewardess a decent job ? Not for me.

ps: Im not a lady.

Why is Islam even brought into this subject? Most flight attendants are not Muslim. Anyways as Thalia said, it is all about image! More people will be attracted to a certain airline if their service is excellent by good looking people. It is just human nature to be attracted to good looking things. Thats why we have models who are not ugly or sometimes saleswomen of nice cars who are beautiful, simply to compliment the image of the company and to attract customers.

It has been working for ages now and I doubt they will replace that with a "piety" requirement. Plus being pious does not show in a person unless you get to know them, which means they won't attract any customers, while physical beauty is on the surface, easy to detect, easy to attract.

Answer this Lym:

Lets say your sister with intense ambition to be a stewardess when she grows up. If she is talented, if she is honest and dedicated in her job how would you feel for her if all airline companies turn her down just because she is bad-looking ?

Lym, pious doesn't mean only prayers, making zikr n tasbeeh and stuff. ( Islamically speaking ) being pious means you follow all the commandments of God- being generous, having clean and pure hearts, being polite and sincere to others.

Companies' image is built by the quality of its products. And skills. So why hiring and treating staff based on appearance and physical beauty ? Everybody shud get equal treatment based on their MERIT i.e. mental abilities. I have many friends who are highly ambitious to work as flight crews since they are kids, but now they are simply turned down just because they fail to show their beauty i.e. wearing hijab or just because they are bad-looking.

This is a great injustice. I'm not saying how I feel, but what THEY feel. I know many of them.

Answer this Lym:

Lets say your sister with intense ambition to be a stewardess when she grows up. If she is talented, if she is honest and dedicated in her job how would you feel for her if all airline companies turn her down just because she is bad-looking ?

nothing against air stewerdnessess but i would encourage my family members to join airlines and if they do...i would pay the interviewer behind their back to reject their application...so i woudl feel good if you had asked me...

face the fact trekker..being beautiful is the best thing...and you dont always have to be fair to be called beautiful...since when J-Lo and Beonce are fair? they are HOT...

i love beauti...

Islamic aspect of beauti...as mentioned eariler...in the 'Malka mu7adhra'(translate please) at Masjid...the shaikh always says, marry women for four is said in islam...for Deen, beauti, race, and money...wuts bad in it?

Being Beauty is the " BEST" thing.....

That means being born ugly is the WORST thing.. Astaghfirullah..

Sameer, this is not about marriage, but is about JOB. To recruit workers companies should ONLY look at the MERIT i.e. the Mental or the Professional ability of applicants.

Okay I respect your view, but if I run an airline company I will open the flight crew position to all - donning hijab or not- beautiful or not- as long as they are able to carry their job professionally.

Lym, pious doesn't mean only prayers, making zikr n tasbeeh and stuff. ( Islamically speaking ) being pious means you follow all the commandments of God- being generous, having clean and pure hearts, being polite and sincere to others.

Companies' image is built by the quality of its products. And skills. So why hiring and treating staff based on appearance and physical beauty ? Everybody shud get equal treatment based on their MERIT i.e. mental abilities. I have many friends who are highly ambitious to work as flight crews since they are kids, but now they are simply turned down just because they fail to show their beauty i.e. wearing hijab or just because they are bad-looking.

This is a great injustice. I'm not saying how I feel, but what THEY feel. I know many of them.

The only way they would ever care about someone being "pious", is if they know how to treat customers well. Beauty plus treating people well is all this business needs. So that is the quality of the product they are looking for. There is no way in hell, you would see a drop dead gorgeous stewardess who does not know how to treat customers well and with respect still hired after people complain about her repeatedly. Both are needed to make you eligible to be a flight attendant.

You think discriminating against ugly stewardess-wannabes is worse than killing hundreds of thousands of people?

I don't think stewardesses are that great anyway. If you take away their fancy uniforms and 5 layers of makeup most of them are just ordinary.

^true dat!

Actually i read an article a while ago saying: why arent flight attended as beautiful as they used to be in the past???

in the past, there werent many airline companies, and the tickets prices were very high, because traveling by plane used to be a luxury...

in these days, there are many airline companies, they cant choose only the hotties, they need more!

and i'm with them, in the past all flight attendents were hotties, but these days not all of them are...

its like there are two sunglasses stores opposite each other, in the first there is a hotter girl than the second, psychologically I would go to the first one! so i think its somehow the case..

you would want a beautiful face with a beautiful smile to make you less tired and more energetic during the flight :p

The air stewardess on my flight from Thailand to NZ two weeks ago was a freakshow =/ Black eyeshadow and pencil drawn highly arched eyebrows *shudders*

I like the guy air stewards though :sunsmile: was jelous of the other side of the plane coz they had a hot looking air steward.

The only way they would ever care about someone being "pious", is if they know how to treat customers well. Beauty plus treating people well is all this business needs. .

Treating people well yes but beauty no. MERIT counts but beauty no.

It's a discrimination , a big discrimination in my opinion . There are millions of young kids down there wishing to be flight attendants but when they grow up they are turned down just becos' they are physically unattractive.

As a frequent traveller I want to ask how many hours a year do we spend in the aeroplane ? Who cares flight attendants are beautiful or not ? Their main responsibility is not interacting directly with passengers- but more on the behind jobs such as cleaning, serving food, and assuring the safety to all passengers. I care more on the great food they will serve, the new experience awaiting for me in my destination, and reading Quran in my seat than to get attracted to their smiles and gestures.

P/s: (as a Muslim ) I fear Allah more than the financial risk I might face by hiring unattractive flight crews. Hiring individuals based on how attractive they are ( in any kind of business ) is against humanity and against God. The beauty possessed by individuals itself is a test from God.

oo laish be7o6o wa7da 5aisa t5awaf elnas ???

translation : you're right ... i think its a matter of self respect

I have a cousin who is a stewardess on Southwest. She is very beautiful. She chose that profession because she loves to travel. People go into this profession for a variety of reasons.

I don't think flight attendants are all hot, most of them beautify themselves with makeup. Most of the attendants are not even Muslims because I think most of the Muslim girls will not prefer being a flight attendant especially if they had a family.

I have seen lots of flight attendants who were unattractive with a bad attitude, that's a combination no one likes.

I remember on Air France on my way to Dubai how this French lady stewardess went off on a passenger and was like: WTF? The passenger was just asking a question. I understand you can get tired being on your feet all day but where is their customer service?

i think coz they r the face of the airline!
my cousin wasnt hired as an air stewardest coz she had pimples on her face..
my mom was 1 25 years ago.. she said it wasnt fun coz u have to smile all the time even if u were working for the past 8 hours in a long flight!

i don't think airlines choose personnel on the basis of beauty. they choose them on their capabilities to deal with the worst of situations.
but they are expected to be well groomed all the time, and at their fittest weight, which stands to reason as the aisles in an aeroplane arent' exactly wide corridors.
i think anybody can be beautiful if they take care of themselves. if they have the right hair-do, the right figure and the right makeup.
you are representing a whole company every time you go to work, they are not gonna let anybody represent them if they have garish makeup, unhealthy looking skin and unkempt hair.

I don't think we would ever agree WT. I think being "attractive" is a job requirement for this job just like any other quality needed such as being friendly and responsible. It is not discrimination. Are people going to start saying that a certain company is discriminative just because they only hire smart people? Would that be them discriminating against dumb people? No.

This is the same thing ;)

I was watching this program about stewardesses and showed that most of them that they fake their smiles which is very predictable!! One of them was very direct when she said how would you expect me to smile after 7 hrs none-stop service in an incubator!!

Anyways, I really like Moroccan stewardesses because they have beauty plus their friendly personality. I remmeber writing a poem for one of them just to say thank you l;)l

The airlines I travel on have women in their fifties and guys...

I don't think we would ever agree WT. I think being "attractive" is a job requirement for this job just like any other quality needed such as being friendly and responsible. It is not discrimination. Are people going to start saying that a certain company is discriminative just because they only hire smart people? Would that be them discriminating against dumb people? No.

This is the same thing ;)

Killing the hopes of ambitious young girls is a big crime.

Killing the hopes of ambitious young girls is a big crime.

Not really, because people have their ambitions killed all the time, it is part of life. They're killed because they are not smart enough, not friendly enough, not social enough, not eloquent enough, not assertive enough (and I could go on and on..) including not attractive enough :rolleyes:

Are you going to be saying the same thing when some girls are rejected to be models because they're not thin enough or not pretty enough? No, because THAT is the job description. This is the same thing. So tough, they've to deal with it or stop whining and try to fit that job description.

Life has always been unfair, they're better off accepting it now than feeling sorry for themselves ;)

Job is based on MERIT, Lym. Not looks. Mental achievement yes. But physical achievement NO.

The airlines I travel on have women in their fifties and guys...


It's because those are "flight attendants".

Job is based on MERIT, Lym. Not looks. Mental achievement yes. But physical achievement NO.

Merit can include your physical attributes in some instances. Fine, okay, what about your average day model - do you think model agencies are discriminating against fat girls because they happen to be rejected or is that acceptable because models are expected to be thin? :rolleyes:

i think world trekker hasn't understood one thing yet.
that anybody can be beautiful if they have a good hairstylist and a good make up artist.
two friends of mine are stewardesses, part of their training consists on how to apply your own makeup professionally, and what's best for you. and they have free hairdressing once a week, at any salon they choose to.
their hair has to be pulled back or cut in a way that does not hinder their duties.
one of them is quite plain looking, but after makeup and hair she looks stunning.
i don't know what's your grudge against beauty. i think if you glow inside, it shows outside. if you are grumpy, even if you are a miss world contestant, it shows bad on your face.
physical attributes? they do need to be fit and at a lean weight. heavy people and constant flying do not go together (dvt one of the reasons ..deep vein thrombosis)

You will never find an ugly stewardess in any airline companies. Only good-looking and normal ones are allowed to work on the plane.



That's why they only hire the good looking ones.. LOL!

that's cos he never sees them when they've just woken up^

but what's so bad that we have good looking waitresses to serve us? i dont want an ugly lady serving me in a plane... i already am scared that i am in the air suspended and this thing could fall anytime..and you want me to get scared more with an ugly lady in the plane?

.... to be flight attendant ? I have never seen a single non-good looking stewardess in all flights that Ive taken. Why discriminate ?

Even in so-called "Muslim countries" in Middle East and Asia almost all airliners do not hire bad-looking or hijab-wearing gals to serve their flights . Why ?

Recruiting ugly-looking boys & gals will turn down the revenue and bad for airline reputation ?

I think this is a FAR BIGGER crime against humanity than what Bush or Saddam did . People are getting eduated enough not to judge any individuals based only on look.

What do you think ?

It’s the same reason which they chose models for advertisements, the same reason which they chose actresses... its all business.

If we try to do some statistics about an airline with models serving on it another one,, you will find a huge difference.

We generally use a language called "physical language" ... if you go to a place where people are cheerful and smiling .. then you will be forced to smile automatically .. but if you go to a place with sad faces ,, bad smiles ... it wont be the same.

sameer...there are no ugly ladies. only those who cant' take care of themselves.
;)

of course if someone has sticky out teeth, spotty skin and disgusting greasy hair, there is lots more they need to do, but it's not impossible.
over here you get stunning stewardesses up to the age of 50. they look stunning because they are required to spend an hour grooming before the work taxi comes and picks them up.

^yeah (sarcastic tone) why don't they choose uglies for advertisments? isn't that REAL (in bold) opression against women?


btt.

Merit can include your physical attributes in some instances. Fine, okay, what about your average day model - do you think model agencies are discriminating against fat girls because they happen to be rejected or is that acceptable because models are expected to be thin? :rolleyes:

No. Merit refers to mental ability. That's why Model job should be abolished. Because it goes against humanity and very discriminating.

No. Merit refers to mental ability. That's why Model job should be abolished. Because it goes against humanity and very discriminating.

So this is how you think, okay, fair enough. There is nothing we can say to make you see our point of view. Discussions done. So I am over and out ;)

I understand what you guys think- but I can't see how this can be justified.

^ life is never fair...dont apply in airlines...its not made for you...try in some other industry where they accept anyone!