Copacabana is a night club at the Grand Hyatt Muscat Hotel. Copacabana dedicates a ladies night for women who wish to party privately without the presence of men.

Ladies night is on Wednesday between 8 PM and 11 PM.

I am not into parties and dancing but I wanted to see what a night club is all about since I've never been to one. So I joined a friend, Her XLNC and Libellula last Wednesday. I only stayed there for 15 minutes because I had other committments..

Anyway.. it was random, the girls danced, smoked, drank.. What got me really excited to go is because my friend mentioned that she saw lesbians make out the previous Wednesday and I wanted to see :hyper: Unfortunately, I didn't see any :os and my husband wouldn't allow me to go again :(

Talking about this with a friend, she said that this is a bad idea because it encourages and supports women to sin and do it all.

I look at it from a different angle. I see it as a way for women to have fun and party and dance at ease. If a women decides to smoke, she would do it anyway. I don't think Copacabana is the only place women could smoke behind their family's back.

What do you think?

And do you support the idea?

I think night clubs and discos is a bad bad bad. I don't like them and I wouldn't want my significant other to go there even if its only ladies night. You want to enjoy, get a group of girls togehter and have a party at home, do what you want.
No more night clubs for me after my broken tooth!

Ladies night, men's night or animal's night is all wrong in the first place. Entering a night club is placed in the same place of "la3n - curse" Allah has given to anyone who drinks, serves drinks, sit with drinkers.

There could be other ways women can enjoy thier time .. and do what they want without drinking (smoking is another issue since its not in the same level of drinking). a hall could be rented and the girls can enter and vent out any steam .. the moment alcohol enters the pic ,,its complete wrong and haram.

im not a big support 4 night clubs or dances n discos, n especially if its gals night out, i mean they r cams. everywhere n u never know who is watching!!
n these places r known for its low standard people that go to.. so y i even risk some1 saying anything about me coz i go there n i know all these things that we're not even allowed to do r there ( smoking, drinking )!

if a girl goes to these places then any1 says anything about them, talk about their reputation n all, then she musnt cry, no1 forced her to do that! n u guys know how ppl talk in this part of the world

But, what's wrong with going to a place, full of women with music? You don't have to smoke and drink.. No one is putting a gun to your head..


Too many times I think people just make life hard on themselves. If inside you know and believe that drinking is wrong, then how can God judge YOU for the actions of OTHERS?

I truly believe that that 'rule', or whatever, is referring to condoning even though you don't drink. Thinking it should be fine. Not simply being in the same room as someone who is drinking!

I love ladies nights out. They're a different kind of fun. Kind of like the reason that women all go to the bathroom at once. There's just stuff women will never talk about infront of their men or other men.

I am against this!!!! Will post my thoughts later on when am done with work

Thalia is not about girls night out n music n having fun.. its the place, rent a hall n dance all you want, but the drinking in there n all.. its just not right..

I am against this!!!! Will post my thoughts later on when am done with work
Bet you are against the fact that you can't be let in.. :hyper:

IF it is only music and dancing then I won't mind it, but with other things going around like drinking and smoking then it is what will make me against it

But, what's wrong with going to a place, full of women with music? You don't have to smoke and drink.. No one is putting a gun to your head..


I know that no one putting a gun to your head, but considering a human beings who might need to try things, then just don't put the wood near the fire and say no one told you to try drinking and smoking

Go out and have fun as long as you don't do anything wrong...whats so hard about that? Plus, it's women only right?
Instead of complaining just avoid the booze and PAR-TAY (halal style)
xD

But, what's wrong with going to a place, full of women with music? You don't have to smoke and drink.. No one is putting a gun to your head..


I truly believe that that 'rule', or whatever, is referring to condoning even though you don't drink. Thinking it should be fine. Not simply being in the same room as someone who is drinking!



this is not a thread in religion sabla and I really dont want to get into religious discussions, but as a rule in Islam .. a muslim cant be around alcohol .. whether he is to drink it, serve it to others (this is why working in a bar is haram) or even sit around people who drink.
Like I said, I have no problem in girls getting togther in a ballroom, dancing and mingling all they want .. as long as alcohol is not present, its not haram. Whether I would do it or not, is another story.

I agree with AP, places of doubts should be avoided.

Go out and have fun as long as you don't do anything wrong...whats so hard about that? Plus, it's women only right?
Instead of complaining just avoid the booze and PAR-TAY (halal style)
xD
its all men, but there r servalience camera's for sure, u dont know who's watching on the other side, n who might c if its recorded, some men r just sick, n for those who r covered, they cnt dance with the vial on! its so much fun without it..
plus like mentioed:
I agree with AP, places of doubts should be avoided.
be safe then sorry!

i know its fun n all.. but there r limits to fun! i know a bunch of gals who always go to bars but never drink, they just go for the fun, but chek their reputation, ZERO though they didnt drink or smoke,not even danced! them being there did the whole job

aaah society -___-
xD

Hmm, I'm not with or against it, I don't look at it from an islamic point of view but I do think there's a good reason why it's not really 'respectable' to go to such places as it might lead to other things and change a person's attitude even if it was a ladies night only.

You got yourself experience and at least someday, when you tell your kids not to go to a nightclub and look for lesbians, you'd know what you're talking about :D

i guess if a woman goes on one such night once in a blue moon, cos she's 'not allowed' normally, she's bound to over do it.
she wants to try everything and anything. if she's smoking, she's gonna smoke a whole packet, if someone offers her a drink, she downs one after another. if she's dancing, she's shakira lol.
over here we do ladies nights often. it's just an excuse to go out and laugh non stop and relax. don't have to get hammered or act like you've never been out.

What got me really excited to go is because my friend mentioned that she saw lesbians make out the previous Wednesday and I wanted to see



Yeah that can be fun to watch sometimes, I am not surprised at your excitement

Better luck next time

mmm interesting!!

I recall Radisonsass used to have the same organized yearly but no AL Kohol served, i attended one and it was so much fun blending and meeting new ppl but such stuff don't last long here... not too many crowd.

Ladies night, men's night or animal's night is all wrong in the first place. Entering a night club is placed in the same place of "la3n - curse" Allah has given to anyone who drinks, serves drinks, sit with drinkers.

There could be other ways women can enjoy thier time .. and do what they want without drinking (smoking is another issue since its not in the same level of drinking). a hall could be rented and the girls can enter and vent out any steam .. the moment alcohol enters the pic ,,its complete wrong and haram.

You said it all Arby. People can control themselves. I know too many muslims here in the UK who go to clubs n dance and drink .. but at my time at the UK so far I have never set foot in a club and never will intend to no matter what, cuz not even my friends can influence me to do it.

this is not a thread in religion sabla and I really dont want to get into religious discussions, but as a rule in Islam .. a muslim cant be around alcohol .. whether he is to drink it, serve it to others (this is why working in a bar is haram) or even sit around people who drink.
Like I said, I have no problem in girls getting togther in a ballroom, dancing and mingling all they want .. as long as alcohol is not present, its not haram. Whether I would do it or not, is another story.

Ya, let me get this 7adeeth which sums up what you said in this paragraph:

لعن الله شاربها و بائعها و جالسها

God curses who drinks it, sells it and sits around people who do drink it.

Women only is boring

Women only is boring

Well, what's the use for making a Womens night only? MEN go for the Women ....

and Booze.

A night club dedicated to women only?! Wow I'm So0o gonna check it out this wed :P

I used to go for the ambiance....i.e. listen to the music and watch people dance. As a non-smoker I found the smoke annoying but I could always leave when it got to be too much.

Bet you are against the fact that you can't be let in.. :hyper:

I hate the fact that you know me too well :hyper:

Well yeah, unlike most members here I enjoy visiting the clubs every now & then. The 1st time I heard about this ladies night thing, I totally went bonkers!!! I find it unfair & discriminating, it's hard enough to find single ladies in the clubs; imagine how it feels knowing that the club is filled with single ladies & I cannot get in!!!

Going to those places are totally normal & I think that people should just loosen up.

It's funny how innocent our society is or they pretend to be anyways.

LOL @ the suggestions of renting a hall & just dance to mostly khaliji songs xD that's a typical thing!! Where is the fun if there won't be flirting & lusting? (unless they're gay or bisexual of course)

Anyways, I am TOTALLY against it!! :p They either go or don't go........:hyper:

OR at least make me an exception & let me in :color:

E.W. you find 2 women making out hot?! :dev:

I am against this!!!! Will post my thoughts later on when am done with work

I hate the fact that you know me too well :hyper:

Well yeah, unlike most members here I enjoy visiting the clubs every now & then. The 1st time I heard about this ladies night thing, I totally went bonkers!!! I find it unfair & discriminating, it's hard enough to find single ladies in the clubs; imagine how it feels knowing that the club is filled with single ladies & I cannot get in!!!

Going to those places are totally normal & I think that people should just loosen up.

It's funny how innocent our society is or they pretend to be anyways.

LOL @ the suggestions of renting a hall & just dance to mostly khaliji songs xD that's a typical thing!! Where is the fun if there won't be flirting & lusting? (unless they're gay or bisexual of course)

Anyways, I am TOTALLY against it!! :p They either go or don't go........:hyper:

OR at least make me an exception & let me in :color:

E.W. you find 2 women making out hot?! :dev:

Two very contradicting posts! Are you with it or against it?

And in regards to your question: I don't find lesbians hot, but I'd like to SEE them make out.. just wondering :p



Well yeah, unlike most members here I enjoy visiting the clubs every now & then. The 1st time I heard about this ladies night thing, I totally went bonkers!!! I find it unfair & discriminating, it's hard enough to find single ladies in the clubs; imagine how it feels knowing that the club is filled with single ladies & I cannot get in!!!

Not necessarily single ladies only ;) There are married women who go ;)

I heard about this, but I was told drinks weren't served so I was okay with the idea even though I wouldn't go. Since drinks are being served then it's a bad idea. I don't think it's a respectable place to be in or to be seen in and I know my parents won't allow me to go there. I guess it's better than girls going to mixed night clubs but at the end of the day these places are filled with "free" girls as you mentioned there were lesbians making out lol.

So girls go in with their Abayas then take them off? Like in weddings? That's hilarious.

Two very contradicting posts! Are you with it or against it?

And in regards to your question: I don't find lesbians hot, but I'd like to SEE them make out.. just wondering :p



Not necessarily single ladies only ;) There are married women who go ;)

I am against the ladies ONLY nights

It's normal, 2 people making out. What's so special about it?

Well, getting laid with a single lady is damn ******* good; but getting laid with a married woman is a ++ :hyper:

So girls go in with their Abayas then take them off? Like in weddings? That's hilarious.

Yeah LOL..

But I remained with my abaya since I was only there for the experience :D

Some women were dancing with their scarfs on though..

It's normal, 2 people making out. What's so special about it?


It's normal for you. With me, I don't know since I haven't experienced it or seen it LIVE :p

^hahahahaha seriously dancing with their scarfs on with a place filled with alcohol. Now that's hypocrisy.

Why would it be hypocrisy? I know ladies like that, they wear scarves n shit & are religious; but they like to enjoy their nightlife so they'd go to night clubs or restaurants/pubs (eg left bank)

I never had interest in nightclubs. I wouldn't go there only because Islam doesn't allow it but because I don't find the idea of night clubs appealing.

OMG lockem all up in the same cell ... and watch the fun begin! :p

I volunteer my services to act as bouncer ... if they get to rawdy! :hyper:

Endure Whis* will you let you daughter go in? i am wondering real what tempted you to go after the fact that your friend gave you the hint of lesbian making it in there? Are you still want to go and witness what it is all about? God bless the west, East is burning too.

Why would it be hypocrisy? I know ladies like that, they wear scarves n shit & are religious; but they like to enjoy their nightlife so they'd go to night clubs or restaurants/pubs (eg left bank)

Leftbank is a restaurant/bar. So people could go and eat there.

Endure is talking about a club, where people drink and dance, don't you find it weird that a muthajba girl is dancing in between them? I'm not saying they should stay at home and read Quran all night long. They could enjoy their nightlife but not necessarily in a nightclub! Also, I'm talking about the girls in their Hijabs. It's different if a girl is not wearing a hijab and goes to nightclubs because at least she is not giving the impression that she is a conservative woman then goes to a very nonconservative place lol.

Nah, it's their own lives

^Inzen I didn't say its not their own lives. I'm just saying its hypocritical. You don't have to agree :p

Endure Whis* will you let you daughter go in? i am wondering real what tempted you to go after the fact that your friend gave you the hint of lesbian making it in there? Are you still want to go and witness what it is all about? God bless the west, East is burning too.

I don't know but the way I think right now is that I would give them a chance to experiment and see things for the sake of knowing what this or that feels/looks like.

So whats so exciting about it?! :rolleyes:

I wouldn't want to go to such a place..if i want to have fun..i will host a party.. either at my place or i'd reserve a room somewhere.. OR...i'd only go to a party (respectable and decent party) if it was at someone's house (someone i know and i know who will be there)
i wouldn't want to go to a club..even if i wont drink or smoke..i dont want to go near a place like that:os or mix in such an environment with such people.

I'd be careful where i go and who i mix with. It reflects on me later. I will preserve my image if i have to:D

I don't like smoking in-doors.
Thats why they should ban smoking inside copacabana, then i would discuss this issue. Otherwise, its bad enough.

I wouldn't want to go to such a place..if i want to have fun..i will host a party.. either at my place or i'd reserve a room somewhere.. OR...i'd only go to a party (respectable and decent party) if it was at someone's house (someone i know and i know who will be there)
i wouldn't want to go to a club..even if i wont drink or smoke..i dont want to go near a place like that:os or mix in such an environment with such people.

I'd be careful where i go and who i mix with. It reflects on me later. I will preserve my image if i have to:DMe too. I walked into a bar in houston once and it was all men dancing ... got outa of there friggin in a flash!

Why of course ... 'equality'.

God have mercy on us.

Men or women, these places are ...

^hahahahaha seriously dancing with their scarfs on with a place filled with alcohol. Now that's hypocrisy.

Well that's because they are good women, they were careful not to let their hair show because maybe there's a camera!

I think it's a good idea - people in the Gulf who summer in Europe go to clubs, pubs and restaurants oozing with booze all the time, and those are mixed ones. In theory however, it probably won't last. People here are much much more carefree when they're out of their own country for some reason. I've seen a lot of very very strange behavior from people, and then they go back to Oman and become model citizens again.

Phone camera >> Girl night clubing >> bluetoos *egyption* >> SCANDAL


Just becareful of that regardless how your intentions for being there are!!

Well that's because they are good women, they were careful not to let their hair show because maybe there's a camera!

so why go there in the first place? There's alcohol and smoking why would good women go there and dance?

toomuchat - that's a really good point :os
but those kind of scandals happen from weddings and even parties that girls have at home. in that case the thing to do would be to ban cameras, not clubs :p

I was making fun, Dam3eti :p

toomuchat - that's a really good point :os
but those kind of scandals happen from weddings and even parties that girls have at home. in that case the thing to do would be to ban cameras, not clubs :p


Being in a wedding is different from being in a night club with smoking and drinking!!

If I was a woman and been video-ed in a wedding and somehow my family saw the video-ing at least I can argue about it and defend myself!! But I'm in a night club with all the stupid environment then I guess I asked for it!!

Why would you be asking for it if it was a ladies night and you weren't smoking OR drinking? I don't think it's fair that your goodness is judged by your proximity to tobacco and alcohol - where's the fairness in that?

^There is no fairness.
Society is not supposed to be fair.
Simply judgmental.

if in weddings gals with cams snap n post i duno where.. wont drrunk n dancing gals in a club be more attractive to shoot!

I wonder what kind of children will be raised by mothers who would spend their nights dancing in discos.

Another advantage of such places is that dumb girls can be very easily taken advantage of once they are drunk

They won't even remember who & how many did what to her that night

Women only is boring

I totally agree.

Is Thursday good for you? :hyper:

Dancing in a 'disco' (that word cracks me up :p), or dancing in a wedding, or dancing in a friend's house at a party - it is what it is what it is.
I think the real issue is people don't want to succumb to too much frivolity, "If she were a respectable woman, she would be giving birth right now and working on her thesis. She has no business having so much fun!"
Drinking bad, yes, but if this silly little society stopped looking at each other so much and looked after themselves a bit more - oh jeez, just lighten up!!!

Why would you be asking for it if it was a ladies night and you weren't smoking OR drinking? I don't think it's fair that your goodness is judged by your proximity to tobacco and alcohol - where's the fairness in that?


And why does a person want to go through such mis/judgment or being un/fair with when s/he can be in the safe side.? Why would a person be in such places where there is the risk of getting his/er life screwed by some silly act of some stupid carelss people!!

See how the un-natural things make life so difficult!! It's not the society, it's the naivety of some individuals!!

if they paid me 1 million i wouldnt go to such a place

Lool, really?! yer kiddding?! Ok if it was only for ladies, might as well not sell alcohol?! Duuuh..

I doubt I'd ever go there. Just the thought of it doesn't seem respectable to me at all.
I don't even know what's so good about it. It's bound to be full of people, noisy, stuffy and full of drunk people/smokers all around you. Not my idea of a good night.

Sorry toomuchat - I'm not trying to say I'm the rebel who's gonna change a whole society's way of thinking or anything. I love everything about Oman, good and bad. But I don't think I could handle always trying to 'be safe' and make sure I stay nice and quiet so that I don't upset everyone. It's like walking on eggshells.
My mom wouldn't approve of me going and she's the only person whose opinion matters to me enough to influence my actions, but no one else really. Personally, I don't really have a problem with it, though.

ok so if there was no alcohol and smoking in the place, and they served milkshakes and smoothies but played r&b music for the ladies to shake their booties to, would that still be sinful?

im totally against it


even being a guy, i wont go to a place like that...

how about when talking about women...

^ Exactly.
I can't really imagine my spouse going to such places to 'Party'.
I find it a lame excuse to get laid and do something which is totally out of our tradition's league.

To be honest, I'd even look at women who go to such places with a very disrespectful look. :)

It's shameful.

Geez, who said all that will happen ?! Are you telling me Endure whisper and her friends lost their names? Don't think soo..

You never know, maybe some girls who kind of know them saw them there and would say anything . you know how girls get .. and you never know who reads Sabla behind the scenes..Endure dragged another two respected names in Sabla into this lol .. which was a really bad move to be honest, even though she didn't mean it in that way but some others who just read and might not be members just get a bad impression..

Sorry, Rosso, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on somethin! If people 'saw them there' and decided to talk about them, they would also be talking about themselves for being there too.

Come on people! I mean I totally get why you guys wouldn't want to go to a place like that - but are you really going to 'look down on someone' and 'lose respect' for them and all this crazy talk for something that does not involve anyone else in the least? Some women sit at home all day like good little daughters and wives, but all they do is hatch schemes to ruin other people's lives and ***** behind their backs. But I'm sure they're more deserving of respect since they're not doing something depraved like dancing. Don't be so quick with the judgment is all I'm saying.

there's nothing wrong with women dancing at a wedding, in an enclosed space, away from men's eyes, so what's wrong if they decide to go clubbing in the same manner? are men that insecure?

Sorry, Rosso, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on somethin! If people 'saw them there' and decided to talk about them, they would also be talking about themselves for being there too.

Come on people! I mean I totally get why you guys wouldn't want to go to a place like that - but are you really going to 'look down on someone' and 'lose respect' for them and all this crazy talk for something that does not involve anyone else in the least? Some women sit at home all day like good little daughters and wives, but all they do is hatch schemes to ruin other people's lives and ***** behind their backs. But I'm sure they're more deserving of respect since they're not doing something depraved like dancing. Don't be so quick with the judgment is all I'm saying.

honey we are not talking about women talking behind their backs

lets keep that behind, you see it ok as a muslim to go to a club??
do you think its right to go to such a place where there is people who go there just to smoke,drink,dance or to see lesbians dates :os

i dont think so! am with ross you dont know awful talk can be, and do u think a girl will say i was there and i saw that girl! no she wont who likes to talk sh*t about people usually LIES and add some spices .. anyway we are talking about the clubs fact! which is wrong in our RELIGION AND CULTURE either u like it or not :)

there's nothing wrong with women dancing at a wedding, in an enclosed space, away from men's eyes, so what's wrong if they decide to go clubbing in the same manner? are men that insecure?

ya minerva nothing is wrong with dancing in weddings or girls party
we are saying from our point of view that its wrong because its not allowed in our religion and culture to be in such a place thats all , because usually there are lot of people you can not trust there *take pix or do bad stuff* and its a place which is full of alcohol and its not allowed in our religion :) thats all

Ya, let me get this 7adeeth which sums up what you said in this paragraph:

لعن الله شاربها و بائعها و جالسها

God curses who drinks it, sells it and sits around people who do drink it.

Sorry, Rosso, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on somethin! If people 'saw them there' and decided to talk about them, they would also be talking about themselves for being there too.

Come on people! I mean I totally get why you guys wouldn't want to go to a place like that - but are you really going to 'look down on someone' and 'lose respect' for them and all this crazy talk for something that does not involve anyone else in the least? Some women sit at home all day like good little daughters and wives, but all they do is hatch schemes to ruin other people's lives and ***** behind their backs. But I'm sure they're more deserving of respect since they're not doing something depraved like dancing. Don't be so quick with the judgment is all I'm saying.

Comprende?

I read each and every post and I didn't think this thread would get to its third page already!! Wow..

First of all, I don't think it's shameful because we're not addicted or clubbing people.. Going there once in a blue moon for a change is okay with me. And with the drinking part, how many times do we go to restaurants that ALSO serve alcohol?! MANY! There are so many restaurants in Oman that serve alcohol and yet we go there and have our meals with our family.. people grow up!

I personally think it's a good idea to try everything, well almost everything lol! That's how you learn and that's how you KNOW what's really going on.. My husband didn't want me to go back not because of the idea of people drinking and smoking, but because of the cameras that might be installed.. for safety and security issues. That's allllllllll it is!

After going there last Wednesday and seeing what I saw, and experiencing something new to me, if I was really bored on one of the coming Wednesdays, going to Copacabana would be the last thing I do. Note, I didn't say I won't go again, but I am saying I would try to do something else but if there's nothing to do or no one available to hang out with, I'd go.

I think people misjudge people who want to have fun. And people have different definitions of fun.. I don't think it's a disgrace that I went there. Atleast I didn't stay home, called my friend and started talking about people :D

I don't know but the way I think right now is that I would give them a chance to experiment and see things for the sake of knowing what this or that feels/looks like.

And if they get lost or get hooked to the idea, who will you blame? You have some sort of strange feeling or you just want to get the thread going but i do respect that.

^ RefinerZ:

If I raise them right, they will turn out to be like me.. I think parents can always tell and predict what kind of kids they have.

I read each and every post and I didn't think this thread would get to its third page already!! Wow..

First of all, I don't think it's shameful because we're not addicted or clubbing people.. Going there once in a blue moon for a change is okay with me. And with the drinking part, how many times do we go to restaurants that ALSO serve alcohol?! MANY! There are so many restaurants in Oman that serve alcohol and yet we go there and have our meals with our family.. people grow up!

I personally think it's a good idea to try everything, well almost everything lol! That's how you learn and that's how you KNOW what's really going on.. My husband didn't want me to go back not because of the idea of people drinking and smoking, but because of the cameras that might be installed.. for safety and security issues. That's allllllllll it is!

After going there last Wednesday and seeing what I saw, and experiencing something new to me, if I was really bored on one of the coming Wednesdays, going to Copacabana would be the last thing I do. Note, I didn't say I won't go again, but I am saying I would try to do something else but if there's nothing to do or no one available to hang out with, I'd go.

I think people misjudge people who want to have fun. And people have different definitions of fun.. I don't think it's a disgrace that I went there. Atleast I didn't stay home, called my friend and started talking about people :D

That's one fair post.
I liked it.

^ Thank you!

how many times do we go to restaurants that ALSO serve alcohol?! MANY! There are so many restaurants in Oman that serve alcohol and yet we go there and have our meals with our family.. people grow up!


You cant compare a resturant that serves Alcohol and a night club, the enviroment is totally different.

Forget about socity judgment and all that, you should do what feels right and be away from what feels wrong.
Personally, I dont see it from a society point of view only. To me, the religious constrain is far more important that that. Like I said in my previous posts, if a bunch of girls rented a ballroom .. decided to make a party and sell tickets .. I wont look at it the same way I look at cobacabana.

^ RefinerZ:

If I raise them right, they will turn out to be like me.. I think parents can always tell and predict what kind of kids they have.

All z best, hope and wish it all endZ positively.

Copacabana is a night club at the Grand Hyatt Muscat Hotel. Copacabana dedicates a ladies night for women who wish to party privately without the presence of men.

Ladies night is on Wednesday between 8 PM and 11 PM.

I am not into parties and dancing but I wanted to see what a night club is all about since I've never been to one. So I joined a friend, Her XLNC and Libellula last Wednesday. I only stayed there for 15 minutes because I had other commitments..

Anyway.. it was random, the girls danced, smoked, drank.. What got me really excited to go is because my friend mentioned that she saw lesbians make out the previous Wednesday and I wanted to see :hyper: Unfortunately, I didn't see any :os and my husband wouldn't allow me to go again :(

Talking about this with a friend, she said that this is a bad idea because it encourages and supports women to sin and do it all.

I look at it from a different angle. I see it as a way for women to have fun and party and dance at ease. If a women decides to smoke, she would do it anyway. I don't think Copacabana is the only place women could smoke behind their family's back.

What do you think?

And do you support the idea?

Dear Endure Whisper,

When I was younger & wild.. I used to go clubbing every weekend. I don’t drink nor Smoke and I’m not a fan of dancing. I used to go there with my non-Muslim friends " My friend + his sis in law + brother + girl friends" .For me it was a time that I gather with my friends and enjoy the Music because the club had one of the best DJ's in the region.

This is what we guys simply do , they go to a cheaper pub and have drinks which they call it " warm up's " .... then we check a lower popularity with crap crowed which is "Copa" at hayyat.. then we go to "Oasis" which was the only night club.

It was very shocking to see all these Omani girls (mainly Swahili) with short or mini dresses dancing all over & drunk... some times you see they just bump into you and hug you or talk to you and think you are some one they know. The toilet was another world ,,, girls and guys go and get some drugs and get high or you see couples going for a quick shag some times.

The most shocking thing I saw there was a woman with "Abaya" and her two daughters (probably) and two men whom really didn’t look like related to her.
The lady sat there and started having some drinks then jumped to the dance floor ... her daughters were giggling and covering her hair back when it was dropping while she was dancing. It was appearing that she was probably “pimping” the two girls or she was offering her self.

After some times Moroccan girls invaded the area, they mainly were prostitutes. That was the time where Omani guys started turning to "Pimps"..
Then this weird thing appeared which girls from Sur/Sohar/Saham (mainly) started running from their homes and starting competing the Moroccan girls. They were mainly located in "Copa" Hayyat.You see an Omani guy entering the club and 3 girls behind him then they spread out and try to find a customer.

That was when I really got disgusted and realised the mistake I was doing toward myself and the conflict I was in. My religion & believes were against Drinking & smoking & prostitutes...I was going mainly because that was the time I used to gather with my group "friends".. I stopped going clubbing and after two weeks they closed "Oasis Club"...


Endure Whisper,
We all wish to have fun and get entertained, but do you being in a "bar" and a dance floor and a place where ****s & drug addicts hung-out is a good place to have fun ? Do you think that "Music" is a valid excuse to convince that this is right? The security + people whom serving at the bar are mainly males ... they are not considered as a part of the club!



I could easily agree on it and say "These are fun killers" but sadly I will be just a lie and will be fooling myself and you.

I saw the comment up there regarding the Club and comparing it to a restaurant which offers alcohol!! Why you go to a restaurant which serves alcohol! You should be avoiding it… I’m sure we got enough restaurant which offers no-alcohol.

I don’t think I wish to let my kids to experience such a place where Drugs/Drinks/smoking/prostitution offered. I’m sure that there are many "Fun" activities you can do which really doesn’t conflict with your religion and the culture you living at. This is what I learned and I wish that you realise it before going deep into it. If you were really into “Ladies Night Party” then you can simply do a house party and have a female DJ. .guess the girl can shake their butts as much they want then, without male presence or cameras.

You cant compare a resturant that serves Alcohol and a night club, the enviroment is totally different.

Forget about socity judgment and all that, you should do what feels right and be away from what feels wrong.
Personally, I dont see it from a society point of view only. To me, the religious constrain is far more important that that. Like I said in my previous posts, if a bunch of girls rented a ballroom .. decided to make a party and sell tickets .. I wont look at it the same way I look at cobacabana.

How are the two environments different?

Ballroom: girls only, music, dancing, smoking (some might).
Night club: girls only, music, dancing, smoking, drinking.

The only addition there is the drinking part which is available in other restaurants as well. If we decide to cut off all kinds of "sitting around people who drink" then we should SELECT the restaurants we go to but we don't.

If I focus on the religious point of view then I wouldn't have a party to begin with. Girls wear short dresses (which is forbidden considering it 3awra - above the knee) and music is also haraam..

And society wise, I believe in what I do.. I know it's not what I should be doing, and I should avoid such places, but it doesn't mean if I did I am a bad person or don't have a good reputation..

^ ok forget the club part....(i agree with you)
would you still go to a party?:think:
i read your thread on the mixed wedding party thing...that is acceptable ? why is that? wouldn't there be music there too? and if it's a wedding party, i'm sure some women will wear revealing stuff. what about it being mixed??:think:

lol no i am not attacking..i'm just asking.:p

^ I said "IF I focused on the religious point of view..." but I am not focusing too well because I am not very religious. I admit.

I go to mixed WEDDING parties because I either go with my brothers or husband and besides, my brother's wedding was a mixed wedding. But I don't go to random mixed parties. There might not be any difference but atleast at weddings; I am accompanied by men that I know and will be there with me.

Also, in our kind of mixed weddings, alcohol is not served and smoking is not allowed.

^oh okay..:shy:

lol sorry i was just confused.

How are the two environments different?

Ballroom: girls only, music, dancing, smoking (some might).
Night club: girls only, music, dancing, smoking, drinking.
Like I said, for the partying part, the only thing I am apposing is the drinking ..


The only addition there is the drinking part which is available in other restaurants as well. If we decide to cut off all kinds of "sitting around people who drink" then we should SELECT the restaurants we go to but we don't.

I never been to a night club, so I cant confirm anything. From what I see in movies (arabic and western) the environment is totally different. you might disagree, but I base my decisions whether to go to a place or not on how comfortable I am to go there. Example, I have never been to pavo real because according to people who went, the environment is not comfortable for people who don’t like to go to alcohol restaurant. I went to Tuscany for my anniversary, and I didn’t feel the environment is what the hadeeth is talking about.
In general, I try to avoid restaurants that serves Alcohol, but I do go. Anyway, this thread is not about if we go or not .. its about what do you think and I gave my point from a religious point of view.

If I focus on the religious point of view then I wouldn't have a party to begin with. Girls wear short dresses (which is forbidden considering it 3awra - above the knee) and music is also haraam..


In terms of dressing, the sin lies on the person doing it. I wouldn’t wear a mini skirt if I was in a party. Regarding music, there are lots of arguments regarding it .. this is why I didn’t want to enter in it. I just focused on Alcohol because it is the thing I am 100% sure is Haram.


I am not trying to judge or point fingers towards anyone. At the end, everyone does what they believes in. I pointed out the alcohol part because its the major concern I have with nightclubs.

Awesome and quite insightful thread. :)
All the controversy... gotta love it.

I sure as hell wouldn't like the idea of my wife going to such places. Don't wash whites with colors. :)


لعن الله شاربها و بائعها و جالسها

God curses who drinks it, sells it and sits around people who do drink it.
Probably the most relevant reference to bring up in such thread.

But I remained with my abaya since I was only there for the experience

Some women were dancing with their scarfs on though..
So you were willing to sacrifice tarnishing your reputation (probably among other things) for the sake of "the experience"? Or are you still intentionally ignorant about this whole idea that going to such places is perfectly fine in our society?

If I was a woman and been video-ed in a wedding and somehow my family saw the video-ing at least I can argue about it and defend myself!! But I'm in a night club with all the stupid environment then I guess I asked for it!!
To those of you that are paranoid and really think the biggest issue about being in such places is being caught on camera, this sums it up.

^There is no fairness.
Society is not supposed to be fair.
Simply judgmental.
Couldn't agree more. Sad but true.

ok so if there was no alcohol and smoking in the place, and they served milkshakes and smoothies but played r&b music for the ladies to shake their booties to, would that still be sinful?
I think a little common sense would tell you that "r&b music" and "shaking their booties" is sort of besides the point here.
there's nothing wrong with women dancing at a wedding, in an enclosed space, away from men's eyes, so what's wrong if they decide to go clubbing in the same manner? are men that insecure?
Oh now I get it, so you intentionally choose to ignore what everyone's been saying in this thread for the past 70 or so posts and then choose to ask about stuff that is besides the point. :mmhmm:

you never know who reads Sabla behind the scenes..Endure dragged another two respected names in Sabla into this lol .. which was a really bad move to be honest, even though she didn't mean it in that way but some others who just read and might not be members just get a bad impression..
:yes:

Sorry, Rosso, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on somethin! If people 'saw them there' and decided to talk about them, they would also be talking about themselves for being there too.
The people doing all the talking are most probably much less concerned about being spotted there obviously. It's the ones that are being talked about that have their reputations at stake, assuming they give a shit less about it of course.

Note, I didn't say I won't go again, but I am saying I would try to do something else but if there's nothing to do or no one available to hang out with, I'd go.
Even if it was against your husband's will? :rolleyes:

I think people misjudge people who want to have fun. And people have different definitions of fun.. I don't think it's a disgrace that I went there.
So many things in life come at a price and are usually followed by consequences. What differs from one person to another is not the definition of fun in this case, it's how much they're willing to risk and how they're willing to cope with the consequences. :)
(I admit. This only stands given that the individual is aware of what is at stake in the first place.)

You cant compare a resturant that serves Alcohol and a night club, the enviroment is totally different.
I agree, the environments are totally different, and probably even incomparable. But you either live by this or live by the Hadith by the Prophet :PBUH:. We're not allowed to customize our religion to suit our needs. :)
You can't first state it's all wrong, then make an exception with restaurants that serve alcohol, despite your intentions of being there, because if intentions was the case then no one had the right to say a thing in this thread against what Endure Whisper (and many other ladies) have done since their intention was clear. :)

So you were willing to sacrifice tarnishing your reputation (probably among other things) for the sake of "the experience"? Or are you still intentionally ignorant about this whole idea that going to such places is perfectly fine in our society?


I am not saying it's perfectly fine and I did mention that I am supposed to avoid it! I agree that it's not the best thing to do on a Wednesday night (or any other night) and that many other "fun" activities can be done instead.. But, I don't think that would ruin my reputation especially with the fact that I don't drink or smoke. I mean, some of my friends in college wouldn't dine out with anyone but their families because they think that's going to ruin their reputation.. I don't think dining out would ruin my reputation. You think that going to such places would ruin my reputation, I don't think it will.. especially with an open minded family who, when I mentioned it to them, told me I shouldn't but didn't make a big deal out of it! Some of them thought it was thoughtful from "Copacabana" to dedicate a night for women because that will encourage girls to stop going to mixed parties (mixed hours of clubbing) and attend girls parties only :p


Even if it was against your husband's will? :rolleyes:


Thank God I have an open minded husband who doesn't stop me from doing what I want to do. He tells me what he thinks and leaves it up to me.. That's why in most cases I do respect what he tells me to do! That's why I mentioned it would be the last thing I do; meaning when I am dead dead deaaaaaaad bored I would! And anyway, when I went there last Wednesday he didn't even know; I told him when I came back home! I am not the kind of girl who tells her husband every single detail or takes permission from him.. I inform him and that should be enough! So there's nothing I am doing behind his back :cool:


So many things in life come at a price and are usually followed by consequences. What differs from one person to another is not the definition of fun in this case, it's how much they're willing to risk and how they're willing to cope with the consequences. :)
(I admit. This only stands given that the individual is aware of what is at stake in the first place.)


Well, I do know that some people might talk and say things but do I have a face that looks like it cares? :dev: Absolutely not! :hyper:

Thanks for your notes, appreciated!

Now that I know the exclusive day for ladies

I'll go & wait outside the club with my car's trunk open, I think 2 average sized drunk ladies would make it, pity I drive a sedan

I agree, the environments are totally different, and probably even incomparable. But you either live by this or live by the Hadith by the Prophet :PBUH:. We're not allowed to customize our religion to suit our needs. :)
You can't first state it's all wrong, then make an exception with restaurants that serve alcohol, despite your intentions of being there, because if intentions was the case then no one had the right to say a thing in this thread against what Endure Whisper (and many other ladies) have done since their intention was clear. :)

I never judged the intention of those girls (astaghfur allah) ..I never mentioned intention at all, I spoke aginst nightclubs because I beleive it is exactly how the hadith describe it..

Long time ago, there was a disucssion in sabla about alcohol in resturants. I remmber a member mentioning that they asked a shiekh about this issue .. his views was that in a nightclub, the major service is alcohol. In a resturant, the major service is food but alcohol is served. Unfourtountly, I cant remmber the thread or when was it exactly (lets blame it on pregnancy :p ) but even if I didnt read a ruling on it .. I think when you have a rule you are allowed to detrmine when its relavant and when its not. I am not picking and choosing, I am using my judgement to determine if it fits and not. I hope I am not sinning by doing that!

is going to a concert ok? are there men and women sections or men only are allowed to go to pop concerts?

^ There are men and women section in concerts.
There was a thread about concerts a couple of months back, and most members said it was ok.

I've never been to one.. but I've seen some photos for when one of the singers came to Oman and people were split; a side for women and a side for men.. (I think it was the one on the beach; not sure though.. someone can confirm)..

^ There are men and women section in concerts.
There was a thread about concerts a couple of months back, and most members said it was ok.
and dj'd music in nightclubs is not. ok.
don't wanna say anything else that's 'beside the point' ;)

Minerva,
If you ask me, both are not places I would go to. But, thats me.

Minerva,
If you ask me, both are not places I would go to. But, thats me.
there are people who would go there because they love music. i love going to jazz clubs and listen to music played live, i love seeing live opera, live ballet, live classical concerts, live rock concerts, and i've been to many.
i've never ended up doing 'something shameful' at any of the concerts/events/clubs i've been to, but that's just me :)

Exactly, everyone does what suits them.

minerva: the topic is talking about clubbing from an Omani and Islamic point of view.. thats why it is wrong.
But if we were to talk about it from "you people" view, then ya its fine; although smoking is being banned in most clubs in the western countries.

smoking is banned from all clubs over here, unless there's an open air smoking area.
lots of muslim men i know smoke more than other western men that i know, but they pray five times a day and want their women to cover up head to toe and hide in their rooms if they have men come into the house.
drink? you drink if you want to,.
if you are spending a night dancing, it's better to stick to water. i don't know why you have to go 'Islamically everything' God knows that who wants to sin, does not have to go to a club to sin, they can sin in their own houses, in their cars, on the beach and at work. easy as pie.

To those of you that are paranoid and really think the biggest issue about being in such places is being caught on camera, this sums it up.


Prince.. these days people does not like to be convienced from an islamic or common sense point of views. So, the best way to bring them to reality to give them what really happens in reality!!

It's not the biggest issue but it's the more closer to the reality!! If I tell a girl/guy do not go to such places because it's haram and Allah's curse will be on him/er... S/he will not see what this curse is all about .. in another world s/he is not seeing it in reality!!


Did you watch that Omani old guy white bearded dancing in a club or whatever that was, in Thailand? if you did not go to youtube.

The wife of that guy went to Sh. Ahmed when her kids told her about the video of their father. She is insisting on getting divorced from him. He showed no respect for his family.... keeping aside respecting his religion or the name of his country.


See that's the reality or why I wanted to get in this case from that door.

And personally, when I see the word Oman/Omani is mentioned in disgrace by some naive people my blood gets boiled, regardless who is that person is!! Yes we are not perfect but when it comes from the educated people or older people then that means there is sum-sing-wung!!

smoking is banned from all clubs over here, unless there's an open air smoking area.
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smoking isn't banned in clubs in Oman. So for me, for this or for anyother reason, its already bad enough to dis-allow any female members in my fmaily to go to such places.


why you have to go 'Islamically everything'

Well, that's what "most" of the girls choose to do.

And I don't think anyone here is trying to stop EW or any female clubber from going to such places. She asked for our opinion, and everyone gave his own opinion. Now, what you are doin' is just trying to make people "change" their mind, and start allowing their relatives to go to such places, based on this sentence:
God knows that who wants to sin, does not have to go to a club to sin, they can sin in their own houses, in their cars, on the beach and at work. easy as pie.
well, it doesn't work like that with most of us... I believe :cool:
Its like me telling you; well, if your daughter wants to be a prostitute; let her do it.. because its not considered "bad" thing by many people I know!!

being a prostitute means going with men for money, having sex, fornicating with them, giving them sexual favours for money.
if someone likes music and wants to appreciate it being played live, in my opinion they should be allowed.
if there's a problem, it's the family's not the girl's, and it's up to them to provide her a chaperone/bodyguard.

being a prostitute means going with men for money, having sex, fornicating with them, giving them sexual favours for money.
.

And now, how is that supposed to be wrong thing??

Oh ya I know why?
Because you believe that it is wrong; that's why:)
While a girl who is prostitute her self will talk to you, and will say that its not wrong at all; because she doesn't believe that it is worng.

exact thing here: you, as a clubber and coming from a society where clubbing is alright and even "cool" thing.. 4 sure you would say: hey Omani girls; you must go clubbing. Just throw your islamic and traditional values on the f**king wall, and go wild girls.

You are an examply of inconsiderate looking at any topic.

no, i think you are inconsiderate because girls are denied to go dance to amr diab's music while you can, (unless they are the girls in his music videos ;) )

if you read my posts before, i asked if it was a bad thing to go dancing and listening to music if there was no smoking and no alcohol involved, just like they do at a wedding and nobody answered. for me the whole concept of girls getting together and dancing is not the alcohol and smoking, but to enjoy music. if a girl goes to a wedding does that mean she 'went wild?'.
i think your'e getting mad at me because i'm an 'outsider' and you might think i have no right to comment. other girls have commented in the same lines as myself and you didn't use the word 'f'ing and inconsiderate' at them.
oh well. whatever suits you best.

if they paid me 1 million i wouldnt go to such a place

How about 2 million?

Drinking is bad. Smoking is bad. Music (to some people) is bad.Men are bad. Apparently being close to either one is bad, too.

Scenario 1: I go to ladie's night and don't smoke or drink. So there's no alcohol, smoking, or men. Just music and women.

Scenario 2: I go to a wedding of a MUSLIM person. It's a mixed wedding. There's men, alcohol, cigars and everyone dancing.

Scenario 2 actually happened to me. One of my cousins tried to drag me out onto the dance floor but I decided to call it a night. Now I'm a *****, right?

This is what we call a grey area.

i don't know why you have to go 'Islamically everything' God knows that who wants to sin, does not have to go to a club to sin, they can sin in their own houses, in their cars, on the beach and at work. easy as pie.

Because Islam is a way of life, it is not just a name, it is a practical religion which means a muslim before doing any act should check if what is he/she doing is against the Islamic teachings or not. Every act is recorded by the two angels and everyone shall get his book on the final day to read.

True if the person wants to sin he can do it anywhere and Allah knows everything, but the prophet taught us that the halal is clear and the haram is clear and there are things in between which also should be avoided to be in the safe side.

Coincidentally, it's one of those magical moments when IceTea and I agree (on that particular last post) :hyper:

i know islam is a way of life, but i also believe if a girl finds a place where she can meet other girls, and not be hassled by men, to enjoy music in a safe alcohol and smoke free environment, she should. because there is no intention of sin and there is no opportunity to sin, as men are out of the picture.
if alcohol is consumed by a muslim, then it's haram.
btw...are aerobics class haram as well? or is it when a lady dresses up to the nines not for her husband but for herself that it poses a problem?

no, i think you are inconsiderate because girls are denied to go dance to amr diab's music while you can, (unless they are the girls in his music videos ;) )

if you read my posts before, i asked if it was a bad thing to go dancing and listening to music if there was no smoking and no alcohol involved, just like they do at a wedding and nobody answered. for me the whole concept of girls getting together and dancing is not the alcohol and smoking, but to enjoy music. if a girl goes to a wedding does that mean she 'went wild?'.
i think your'e getting mad at me because i'm an 'outsider' and you might think i have no right to comment. other girls have commented in the same lines as myself and you didn't use the word 'f'ing and inconsiderate' at them.
oh well. whatever suits you best.

The thing: you are forgetting that EW is an Omani girl, and the friends she went with were Omani girls.. and the club was full of Omanies.
And believe me, parents have good reasons not to allow their girls go there. My main reason would be : smoking.

And duh, girls can go to musical concerts here including Amr Diab's.. i remember his concert in 2003.. the majority of the fans were females!! duh:duh:

^ But it was segregated xD

oh so they can. thanks.
because you were saying a lot of things and maybe you ~(duh) forgot to read my previous post where i asked if it was ok just as long as it was about the music.
hope nobody smokes at diab's concerts. and i guess the ladies in miniskirts dancing in his music video are probably western girls. duh.

Copacabana is a night club at the Grand Hyatt Muscat Hotel. Copacabana dedicates a ladies night for women who wish to party privately without the presence of men.

Ladies night is on Wednesday between 8 PM and 11 PM.

I am not into parties and dancing but I wanted to see what a night club is all about since I've never been to one. So I joined a friend, Her XLNC and Libellula last Wednesday. I only stayed there for 15 minutes because I had other committments..

Anyway.. it was random, the girls danced, smoked, drank.. What got me really excited to go is because my friend mentioned that she saw lesbians make out the previous Wednesday and I wanted to see :hyper: Unfortunately, I didn't see any :os and my husband wouldn't allow me to go again :(

Talking about this with a friend, she said that this is a bad idea because it encourages and supports women to sin and do it all.

I look at it from a different angle. I see it as a way for women to have fun and party and dance at ease. If a women decides to smoke, she would do it anyway. I don't think Copacabana is the only place women could smoke behind their family's back.

What do you think?

And do you support the idea? lol Grand Hyatt should pay you for advertising...i wouldnt know such things exist ...

and why on earth would u wanna watch lesbian... :yuk: what if one of lesbian approached you??? :hyper:

I am not a party girl so i dont think i am gonna enjoy being around, actually the smoke and alcohol smell will just put me off..

no i dont consider girls who party indecents :bored:

Do i support the idea? mmmh not with it or against everyone is free to do what they enjoy doing...

oh so they can. thanks.
because you were saying a lot of things and maybe you ~(duh) forgot to read my previous post where i asked if it was ok just as long as it was about the music.
hope nobody smokes at diab's concerts. and i guess the ladies in miniskirts dancing in his music video are probably western girls. duh.

Yeah the concert was smoking free :angel:
I remember an egyptian guy started smoking, and one of the security guards asked him to put it off.. he didn't ..so he was thrown out :cool:

Te2der tetkalem - muscat 2003

And well... the music videos by Amr Diab..

Ana Leek : Cuban-American actress and Model ( Natalie Martinez).
We-malo : French model.
Laily Nahary: American model ( Lindsay Frimodt).
Ana Ayesh: British model.
Wala Ala Balo: British models.
Al alem allah: Model from Czech.
Tamally Maa'k : model from Czech.
Amarain: french model.
Awedooni: Egyptians and sudanise :):):)
Nour al-ein: Egyptians and lebanese:):):)

it's ok to look at them wiggling their butts in miniskirts if they are non-muslim girls then. that's not haram. but if a girl goes into a safe area, where there are no men, to dance with other girls and does not smoke and drink....arghhhhhh GOD forbid!!!! hell fire and brimstone!

it's ok to look at them wiggling their butts in miniskirts if they are non-muslim girls then. that's not haram. but if a girl goes into a safe area, where there are no men, to dance with other girls and does not smoke and drink....arghhhhhh GOD forbid!!!! hell fire and brimstone!

Well.. in a way... looking at strenge girls dancing is haram :D
But on the other hand.. if it was alright for arab girls to shake it and dance as its ok FOR "YOU PEOPLE" no one will ever look at yo'all :p

Who cares, just go out and have a good time! Your in a girls only environment, and your not drinking, so whats the harm in that?

^ Very modern I must say.. Thanks!

minerva: the topic is talking about clubbing from an Omani and Islamic point of view.. thats why it is wrong.
But if we were to talk about it from "you people" view, then ya its fine; although smoking is being banned in most clubs in the western countries.

Diabian, please don't try to change the direction of the thread I opened. This thread wasn't opened to discuss what Islam says about this because we definately know the answer. Smoking, drinking, and music are all forbidden in Islam!

I opened it in the social problems sabla because this has everything to do with society and the way we think. Clearly, some thought it's okay and others did not think it's okay..

Let's keep it "society-wise" discussion please.. :)

Thanks !

Well.. in a way... looking at strenge girls dancing is haram :D
But on the other hand.. if it was alright for arab girls to shake it and dance as its ok FOR "YOU PEOPLE" no one will ever look at yo'all :p
why are you going 'you bibul' at me all the time am i missing something in here?
lemme make a few funny faces to make it sound less agressive. :angel:;):os:dev::cool::hyper::yes::no::yell::love ::hmm:

if you read my posts before, i asked if it was a bad thing to go dancing and listening to music if there was no smoking and no alcohol involved, just like they do at a wedding and nobody answered. for me the whole concept of girls getting together and dancing is not the alcohol and smoking, but to enjoy music. if a girl goes to a wedding does that mean she 'went wild?'.
i think your'e getting mad at me because i'm an 'outsider' and you might think i have no right to comment. other girls have commented in the same lines as myself and you didn't use the word 'f'ing and inconsiderate' at them.
oh well. whatever suits you best.

Minerva, If you checked my posts earlier .. I said if everything remained the same ..Alcohol was out of the pic, I wouldnt think of the idea as bad as I thought of it to me.

To me, the main reason I am aginst nightclubs is the presence of Alcohol, because without it, it will not be a nightclub (in the defention known today).

I am the one who introduced the Islamic point of view, and like to clear out something. When I think about an issue, the first thought comes to my mind is: Is it Islamicly acceptable? if yes, then I will head to: Is it socially acceptable? If no, then I will choose not to do it, but I understand that some people choose not to abide by society rules .. and its up to them. I will not strongly oppose of it if it was Islamicly acceptable.

Diabian, please don't try to change the direction of the thread I opened. This thread wasn't opened to discuss what Islam says about this because we definately know the answer. Smoking, drinking, and music are all forbidden in Islam!

I opened it in the social problems sabla because this has everything to do with society and the way we think. Clearly, some thought it's okay and others did not think it's okay..

Let's keep it "society-wise" discussion please.. :)

Thanks !

Actually, when I said an "Omani-islamic" point of view.. I meant "society-wise"; as our society is an "Omani-islamic" society.. which ofcourse says: 3aib ( shame ) or Haram (sin).. or both Together ( 3aib and haram).
;) Unless you come from a "different" society :zzz::dev::zzz:
Where I see you rushing into a place just to catch a couple of lesbians making out :hyper: ( I like :mushroom: )

While, my self, I saw it from a third angle; not a religious .. not a social.. but: Health wise... I think until smoking is not banned in there; i wouldn't even think of approving it for neither boys nor girls.:)

there are people who would go there because they love music. i love going to jazz clubs and listen to music played live, i love seeing live opera, live ballet, live classical concerts, live rock concerts, and i've been to many.
i've never ended up doing 'something shameful' at any of the concerts/events/clubs i've been to, but that's just me :)

and you go there to clubs coz its ok with ur culture and its ok for you to drink so its waaaay to different

in concerts there are men and women sections and NO DRINKS
i have been there to one and no one was dancing and in my section and beacse it was "mohammed abdo"

Scenario 2: I go to a wedding of a MUSLIM person. It's a mixed wedding. There's men, alcohol, cigars and everyone dancing.


who go weddings to drinks is not a Muslim dear :)

not everyone who has Muslim in his passport is a Muslim

Wow. That was kind of harsh... TH I love you and all but you need to slow down with the judgment a bit. It really isn't all black and white.

i have been there to one and no one was dancing and in my section and beacse it was "mohammed abdo"

Good that the audiance didn't fall asleep :p

^^^ fatamooo honey its not harsh its the sad truth ... they call it in Islam from al kabaier

not everyone who calls him self is a Muslim just beacuse he thinks so for its in his/her passport , i read once there is 50 things if any muslim did one of them you can not call him a Muslim u can call it a hypocrite *monafeq*


when you want to do anything , dont just think about the social life! and what people will say and that stupid stuff think about what your god will think about it


would u rather be dying going to a club or in your house?
..........................................


diabian no who went there loved him :) he has a high class lyrics ..good to hear

i don't know if you are aware, but smoking in clubs is not allowed, and the only drink you are allowed to take to a rock concert is water. you get searched, your bags and all.
maybe you have impressions of things you've never been to before, i don't blame you.
as you can see, in the same post i mentioned other things one can attend to appreciate music.
in clubs people drink but dont' get drunk (unless it's someone who never touched a drink and takes a whisky for the first time and falls on the floor...but that's another story) because it's too expensive to get drunk from a club and club owners will throw a drunk out before he could say 'hic'.

Well.. in a way... looking at strenge girls dancing is haram :D
But on the other hand.. if it was alright for arab girls to shake it and dance as its ok FOR "YOU PEOPLE" no one will ever look at yo'all :p

and that, my dear, would be a blessing.

^^ well u know more about clubs than I do

the only thing am sure about thats its forbidden in my religion,culture and society :)
anyway I respect your religion and I respect what your society accepts..

but what i dont respect is the people who are from my country and my religion who deny the fact of what they are doing is wrong.. thats all

can you tell me what's wrong if women gather together away from men, cigarettes and alcohol to dance?

i don't know if you are aware, but smoking in clubs is not allowed, and the only drink you are allowed to take to a rock concert is water. you get searched, your bags and all.
maybe you have impressions of things you've never been to before, i don't blame you.
as you can see, in the same post i mentioned other things one can attend to appreciate music.
in clubs people drink but dont' get drunk (unless it's someone who never touched a drink and takes a whisky for the first time and falls on the floor...but that's another story) because it's too expensive to get drunk from a club and club owners will throw a drunk out before he could say 'hic'.

You don't get us.. do you?
I am telling you: smoking in night clubs in OMAN is not banned.
Thank you..

can you tell me what's wrong if women gather together away from men, cigarettes and alcohol to dance?

This is totally fine with me.. and with most of the people; i think :)

You don't get us.. do you?
I am telling you: smoking in night clubs in OMAN is not banned.
Thank you..



This is totally fine with me.. and with most of the people; i think :)
so smoking is the problem not dressing up and dancing then?

thanks.

one thing i'd like to add : nobody should be in an enclosed space where there is smoking. apart from your health disadvantages, your hair and clothes will stink, and your eyes will water.
whatever sex, culture or religion you are.

so smoking is the problem not dressing up and dancing then?

thanks.

With me: as far as away from smoking and men>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Duh :duh:
Thats what I have been saying for ever!! :duh:

one thing i'd like to add : nobody should be in an enclosed space where there is smoking. apart from your health disadvantages, your hair and clothes will stink, and your eyes will water.
whatever sex, culture or religion you are.

BLESS YOU !!

Heres my take on this issue..

I wouldnt go to such places because that whole scene is not my thing, I've never been clubbing before and I don't really care for it. Especially if it's just for All Gurls.. If thats the case than i'd rather juss get my friends together and do something.. If we were feeling in the mood to pary than we'd throw down a partyy.. But I'd rather skip out on going somewhere thats filled with gurls I dont even know, doing god knows what..
That and the fact that I don't really find lesbians to be all that fascinating, to go out of my way to see em .. LOL

I don't think concerts can be compared to a Club.. Yeah theres music in both, and yeah theres ppl that attend both but the atmosphere tends to be different. The mentality of ppl is different as well. When ur going to a concert ur most likely going for the artist, the music, Ur not really there for the ppl.. Which is what clubs are mostly there for. If u wanted to hear music so badly, than why not stay at ur own house? Unless the artist is performing live at a club than I don't see how it's the same thing.

In the end im in no position to make judgment about anyone. I just know for myself that I always do whats right for me, & for my family.. And I'm not all that concerned about what others are doing because to each his own. ;p

who go weddings to drinks is not a Muslim dear :)

not everyone who has Muslim in his passport is a Muslim

I know you mean well, but I don't think any of us are in the position to call some one who says he's muslim otherwise. Even though he/she sins.

^ I agree with you on that, because it's not our judgement to make
Just do whats right for you and let others do whats right for them..
They'll be judged later on but it wont be by you ;p

Waiting to read XLNC's input in this

^LOL!!!!

Actually all what I see from ppl who are against it is BLA BLA BLA!!! you guys really talk too much for nothing, I mean if what you keep on saying is not allowed, than why the hell do you girls go to weddings in hotels where alcohol is served....you might as well just stay home, and as E.W said, plenty of restaurents serve it, and you guys still go there....


No one has to drink, smoke, make out to have fun and be 'cool'...as long as you're with the right crowd, than i see no problem init, and YES I DONT MIND MY DAUGHTER GOING as long as i know she has been raised the right way and knows her right from wrong...

Tell me, are there ANY other entertainments in Oman other than movies, coffee shops, shopping malls that a girl can actually do around here....so going to a nightclub which is 'only' for ladies does no harm @ all....so plz do not dare going around judging ppl for doing so....its silly and you know that....Guys can go camping and do all sort of stuff that no all girls do, coz when it comes the entertainment part, IT IS LIMITED!!!

Last, but not least, I do not regret of going there, I enjoyed my time with my cousins...and if we were extreamly bored again and had 'nothing' else to do, than yes I will go there again.FULL STOP!

*CLAPS* That's exy for yeh ;)

But next time, we go together. Kapish? :cool:

Kapish! ;)

I personally think it's a good idea to try everything, well almost everything lol! That's how you learn and that's how you KNOW what's really going on.. My husband didn't want me to go back not because of the idea of people drinking and smoking, but because of the cameras that might be installed.. for safety and security issues. That's allllllllll it is!
A :D

Mmmmmm Try everything once?

I like it.

^^she said 'almost' everything ;)

^LOL!!!!

Actually all what I see from ppl who are against it is BLA BLA BLA!!! you guys really talk too much for nothing, I mean if what you keep on saying is not allowed, than why the hell do you girls go to weddings in hotels where alcohol is served....you might as well just stay home, and as E.W said, plenty of restaurents serve it, and you guys still go there....


No one has to drink, smoke, make out to have fun and be 'cool'...as long as you're with the right crowd, than i see no problem init, and YES I DONT MIND MY DAUGHTER GOING as long as i know she has been raised the right way and knows her right from wrong...

Tell me, are there ANY other entertainments in Oman other than movies, coffee shops, shopping malls that a girl can actually do around here....so going to a nightclub which is 'only' for ladies does no harm @ all....so plz do not dare going around judging ppl for doing so....its silly and you know that....Guys can go camping and do all sort of stuff that no all girls do, coz when it comes the entertainment part, IT IS LIMITED!!!

Last, but not least, I do not regret of going there, I enjoyed my time with my cousins...and if we were extreamly bored again and had 'nothing' else to do, than yes I will go there again.FULL STOP!

If its silly, then I guess why did the topic was put into discussion on in the first place?

You think its fine, then fine .. others dont .. accept that there are others with a different point of view. You are also judging people with a post like this.

Any way, I think the thread is streching so much with not much added. There are three point of views basicly:
- People who think its ok
- People who think its not ok because of the presence of alcohol
- people who think its not ok for social reasons.

Maybe a poll would be useful here .. so at least we know what the majority thinks.

is alcohol served on airlines? (not to go out of topic but if it is, is it 'haram' to fly with an airline that serves alcohol or sells it duty free?)

^^Yeah, *CLAP**CLAP**CLAP*

^^^You ppl might as well not travel,,,lol...

AP, what Im trying to say is that you guys say its not right, reputation bla bla bla but we have given you very good examples, places where alchohol is still served, but ppl still go for thier pleasure....I say as long as you dont do something wrong such as drinking/smoking whatso ever, than having a little bit of fun wont hurt anyone....right??

is alcohol served on airlines? (not to go out of topic but if it is, is it 'haram' to fly with an airline that serves alcohol or sells it duty free?)

I've replied endure on that point .. to me the enviroment makes all the difference .. is the enviroment of a resturant or an airplane simmiler to a nightclub? I personally dont beleive so ..

Her XLNC, I guess that answers your question too .. fun is not haram at all .. but there are certain boundries that everyone has .. if to you, the boundries doesnt include nightclubs .. its up to you .. to me, I consider it haram.

to me the enviroment makes all the difference

That's a logical point

Because they serve alcohol in some churches too, but definitely we can't compare a holy place like a church to a nightclub

ok so if there was no alcohol and smoking in the place, and they served milkshakes and smoothies but played r&b music for the ladies to shake their booties to, would that still be sinful?
yeah this will be okay!

of course the enviroment of the plane is different from that of a club.
i'd rather see someone drunk in a club, because they get kicked out.
on a plane you'd have to wait and suffer the drunkard's rants and behaviour until the plane lands.

yeah this will be okay!
thank you nosa for your honest reply. i was a bit suspicious of the 'anti' posts. is it anti because of the alcohol and smoke, or because girls get dressed up and have fun on their own? i don't think anybody who's strong in their Muslim faith will ever touch alcohol or smoke, because there's something inside them that stops them from doing so, wherever they are.
at my local supermarket there are three aisles of alcohol. you name it, it's there, you pick a bottle and take it home, as long as you are over 18.
i see a lot of muslims shopping and they don't get tempted. they still shop at the place, but they don't even walk down the alcohol aisle, because it's not for them. and i admire such stances.

thats the stupidest thing I ever heard in Oman.. Welldone!! hahaha

I will be waiting with my friends outside the club on wednesday night and any girl leaves will try to number her! we got the right to I guess :p she's coming out of a night club isn't she!? lool

thats the stupidest thing I ever heard in Oman.. Welldone!! hahaha

I will be waiting with my friends outside the club on wednesday night and any girl leaves will try to number her! we got the right to I guess :p she's coming out of a night club isn't she!? lool
you can't cos your location states you are in australia :hyper:

I know you mean well, but I don't think any of us are in the position to call some one who says he's muslim otherwise. Even though he/she sins.

I know what you mean
what am talking about is true when i said not muslim i didnt say kafer

for me a muslims WHO tries to say from big sins and try to respect his religion anyway impossible, who drinks have sex ,steal and those kinda things i dont think i can call him a good muslim, s/he just carry that tittle nothing more

^LOL!!!!

Actually all what I see from ppl who are against it is BLA BLA BLA!!! you guys really talk too much for nothing, I mean if what you keep on saying is not allowed, than why the hell do you girls go to weddings in hotels where alcohol is served....you might as well just stay home, and as E.W said, plenty of restaurents serve it, and you guys still go there....



honey the bla bla is to your self

you have to accpet that others have other opinions ,not like yours! and what you did is not right anyway :)

and oh ya , just to let you know you can have fun in lot of places other than a CLUB!

can you tell me what's wrong if women gather together away from men, cigarettes and alcohol to dance?

minerva i dont know why you try to take this subject to another dicrection

who said partying with girls and no alchocol and cigarettes is wrong? we didnt

aagain and again and again we are talking about CLUBS!

and btw they dont serve alcohol mainly in the airplanes and WE have to use it to travel we dont go to airplanes to have fun .. but i dont think Clubs is a must to have fun right ;)

^sorry i really didn't want to deviate the topic, i was only questioning the objections to 'clubs'. i really really think it's a great idea to have places where women can go out together, in a safe environment, all female, where they don't get hassled by men. i don't see the bad side of it, i see the nicer side where a woman can enjoy her friends and her family knows that she's in an enviroment where she won't get bothered.
some said that clubs are bad because of smoking, so i asked if they were ok if there was a no smoking rule.
some said that clubs were bad because of drinking, so i asked if clubs would be ok if there was a no alcohol policy (here we do have such clubs for under 18's where strictly no alcohol is served, they have various things kids can enjoy)
now you are saying that 'clubs' themselves are bad. is it the dancing? is it going out without a male chaperone?
i used to love going to a club where they specialised in latin music. it was mostly frequented by girls. we used to dance for a couple of hours, then we used to go in the garden, some ten girls, all around the table and have a few laughs.
once we got hassled by a couple of guys and they got thrown out. :D
i respect your opinion saying that clubs are bad and that you don't like them, but i would like to know the reason behind this, since i think there are many women who go to girly outings to dance and enjoy themselves without any ulterior motive.

^^^ because when you talk about a club what do u think first?

serving alcohol as a main thing.
and it has a bad repetition in our culture anyway

its nice to have a place for girls ya i know but if they were a respectful place this would be great!

like here we have private women spa's! which is a great place to have fun and to relax in the same time! ;)

is alcohol served on airlines? (not to go out of topic but if it is, is it 'haram' to fly with an airline that serves alcohol or sells it duty free?)

Hahahahahahahahahaha... OMG speak of being smart :hyper:
people who travel on airlines which serve alcohol do travel on it because they HAVE to, they NEED to... but no one HAS or NEED to go to a nightclub you cute little smart thing :XD:

Okay so as AP mention we have three kinds of people:
- People who think its ok
- People who think its not ok because of the presence of alcohol
- people who think its not ok for social reasons.

And I would like to add Diabian's point:
- People who think its not okay for health reasons.

Each one of us has a strong reason behind what they support and we just have to respect it.. but most people who don't think it is okay, look at people who think it is okay downwards.. That's so sad! Although it hasn't been clearly said but from certain members it has been felt.. no hard feelings :p it's your opinion anyway ;)

Okay so as AP mention we have three kinds of people:
- People who think its ok
- People who think its not ok because of the presence of alcohol
- people who think its not ok for social reasons.

And I would like to add Diabian's point:
- People who think its not okay for health reasons.

Each one of us has a strong reason behind what they support and we just have to respect it.. but most people who don't think it is okay, look at people who think it is okay downwards.. That's so sad! Although it hasn't been clearly said but from certain members it has been felt.. no hard feelings :p it's your opinion anyway ;)


Actually, the other way around is the right way to put this matter: some people who do think that clubbing in Oman is OK look at the other party downwards.
You can see them not respecting our religious, traditional, social and health values. We never made you feel that you MUST NOT go.. but look at some of the other party: they are clearly trying to convince us to go because they think if we travel on alcohol serving airlines, or go to alcohol serving resturants, or go to weddings held in alcohol serving hotels.. then they think that we SHOULD go to clubs as well.
Just superficial .. superficial..

^ The ones who think its okay are simply listing examples of where alcohol is also served and yet people still go.. (the airline example was stupid; I agree).. but restaurant, you can always avoid.

But those who don't accept it, make the others feel as if they're not upto standard and say things that imply no good.. I don't want to go back and create a comparison.. lol .. but anyway, as I said, it's your personal opinion.. freedom of speech la :p

freedom of speech la :D

minerva,

**We are Muslims and our religion states that alcohol is a sin, serving it/drinking it/being a place where they serv it is a sin.

**Our Culture and country rules are based on our religion so basically we live on it. You are from a different culture and different religion and you will probably will never get it.

**No one is against females having fun, but as I cleared for you that CHOSING to be in a Bar/Nightclub which serve’s Alcohol and occupy lesbians/pimps/prostitutes is not a fun place. If Fun and having a dedicated girls time then they can easily have a gathering at friends house which will have no Spy camera/no Alcohol/no men and they can even get a Female D.J .... A girl going to a night-club considered as a ****ty kind,, weather she was going inside with hijab or not. This is our culture so again you will never get it.

**About being on air-plane where they serv alcohol.... Do we have a choice? Don’t think so..

We can chose to avoid a restaurant that servs alcohol or to party in a place that serves alcohol, but we can’t find an air-line that doesn’t allow it.

**Wearing hijab and being in an a place where alcohol being served or abaya wont change the fact that you are in a pace where it’s served.

Her XLNC

The Wedding's which held in hotels are done in wedding halls which doesn’t contain a Bar and they don’t serve alcohol. You can book such places and go and shake your b.u.t.t with your cozing and have a female D.J & no alcohol and no spy cameras.

If you are going there because you don’t know what else you can do then try this :

Sailing/Fishing/Camping/cinema/sports/travelling/Gym/Bowling/house party...etc

**Our Culture and country rules are based on our religion ....


but still...we have bars and nightclubs at every corner :bored:

but still...we have bars and nightclubs at every corner :bored:

Indeed, but we can easily avoid them... generally when you challenge the government about having them in our country.. They state that they are made for non-Muslims.

But again you can see how hypocrite and non logical they are.. They close them in Ramadan and re-open them! ... So what! Non-Muslims doesn’t believe in Ramadan.. Well that is another hopeless case.

Its a Choice really,, if you believe in Islam as a religion which means you practice it and don’t go against it and you value your culture and your reputation then you wont attend such places. If you don’t care then you just chose every thing against it.

LOL @ evilfire & elvenblade............who don't know you guys would think ya'll are saints :hyper:

LOL @ evilfire & elvenblade............who don't know you guys would think ya'll are saints :hyper:

I'm not ? :angel:

but still...we have bars and nightclubs at every corner :bored:
yes its difficult to control people, if they were not allowed to have those bars and night clubs they would have found other subtitutes which is even worse....what i have noticed from these thread ppl tend to be too judgemental which is simply stupid:bored: no body is perfect muslim we all do sins in one way or another but no one has right to judge except GOD.

i am not going to concerts no do i go to night clubs but I dont care if others go let them have fun....

yes its difficult to control people, if they were not allowed to have those bars and night clubs they would have found other subtitutes which is even worse....what i have noticed from these thread ppl tend to be too judgemental which is simply stupid:bored: no body is perfect muslim we all do sins in one way or another but no one has right to judge except GOD.

i am not going to concerts no do i go to night clubs but I dont care if others go let them have fun....

The best post so far. :yes:

Who gives us the right to judge others and label them as sinners, disrespectful, shameful and all that just cause they went to a night club!???

The best post so far. :yes:

Who gives us the right to judge others and label them as sinners, disrespectful, shameful and all that just cause they went to a night club!???

Try to read my posts , mybe you find an answer how-ever ,, because am a kind person I will explain for you again in a very simple way.

Drinking/being with some one drinking/serving alcohol make you a sinner because its clearly started in Islam.

You can chose to be G.A.Y or S.L.U.T ...etc its your full right but that is the label you will get PLUS the change of respect/level in our culture, wither you like it or not.

Try to read my posts , mybe you find an answer how-ever ,, because am a kind person I will explain for you again in a very simple way.

Drinking/being with some one drinking/serving alcohol make you a sinner because its clearly started in Islam.

You can chose to be G.A.Y or S.L.U.T ...etc its your full right but that is the label you will get PLUS the change of respect/level in our culture, wither you like it or not.
u see this is how you guys make everything complicated...what if ur own dad drinks? its haram also to be with some1 who drinks ..how about those wives whos husbands drinks? do they sin too? dont tell me they should get a divorce cos if children are involved then divorce can leads the kids to drinks also as they wont have proper family

so u r comparing the person who went to ladies night to a **** /GAY? dont u think u have Exaggerate a bit?

what am saying the sociaty should learn to relax and not being too judgemental cos simply they have no rights to do so...

u see this is how you guys make everything complicated...what if ur own dad drinks? its haram also to be with some1 who drinks ..how about those wives whos husbands drinks? do they sin too? dont tell me they should get a divorce cos if children are involved then divorce can leads the kids to drinks also as they wont have proper family

so u r comparing the person who went to ladies night to a **** /GAY? dont u think u have Exaggerate a bit?

what am saying the sociaty should learn to relax and not being too judgemental cos simply they have no rights to do so...

**The Person whom drinks is a sinner, doesn’t matter if he was my own father or any one else... I think it’s really clear. I cant judge how others should act but for me if my father start drinking then I will sit with him and talk with him and try to convince him to change , that will be my duty as a son.

**That was just a clear "example" about labeling others .. it wasnt a direct link to people whom go to "Night-Clubs".The point was that if you do an act against your religion then you are a sinner and if you do some thing goes against your culture then you are titled accordingly goes with a certian culture.... Being a Gay in some cultures is some thing normal and they got rights .. being GAY in our culture is some thing disgusting.. that will remaine the same how ever you explain it.

**I dont think am being judgemental .. i'm just being realistic and stating the facts.Tell me some thing ... why you girls dont have a house party or book a place like "wedding halls" and have a party with a D.J and a clean place which doesnt serv alcohol?

Isnt better than being in a place dedicated to Alcohol and prostitution business and people whom using drugs ? isnt really better having your own party every "blue-moon" as you stated and be with a group that you know?!

Heres my take on this issue..

I wouldnt go to such places because that whole scene is not my thing, I've never been clubbing before and I don't really care for it. Especially if it's just for All Gurls.. If thats the case than i'd rather juss get my friends together and do something.. If we were feeling in the mood to pary than we'd throw down a partyy.. But I'd rather skip out on going somewhere thats filled with gurls I dont even know, doing god knows what..
That and the fact that I don't really find lesbians to be all that fascinating, to go out of my way to see em .. LOL

I don't think concerts can be compared to a Club.. Yeah theres music in both, and yeah theres ppl that attend both but the atmosphere tends to be different. The mentality of ppl is different as well. When ur going to a concert ur most likely going for the artist, the music, Ur not really there for the ppl.. Which is what clubs are mostly there for. If u wanted to hear music so badly, than why not stay at ur own house? Unless the artist is performing live at a club than I don't see how it's the same thing.

In the end im in no position to make judgment about anyone. I just know for myself that I always do whats right for m