Islam says :

-Girls need to cover their hair + body
Girls nowdays taking hair out and wearing jean or tight cloth all around.

-No for drinking
We have many bars and people drinking.

-Respect parents and value them
children keep shouting / ignoring/disrespecting

-no for sexual contacts before marrige
couples doing that under the name of "relationship

-We should pray
Many people dont even notice the mosque.


We all know that if you are doing things against a certian religion then you are not a part of it.There is nothing called half half Muslim or a Good /Bad one.

If you dont practice a religion then you are not a-part of it.Its exactly the same as if you dont believe in any religion.

and whats more scary is that ""Muslims"" show off when they do there things
like its something good to brag about =/

^ That will happen in every religion though, some people won't follow the teachings word by word it seems like they are lost or they simply don't believe in it, others are somewhere in between who are trying their best and you'll also find others who are following it and sticking and applying it to their lives.

I can uderstand what you are trying to say that many people are drifting away from Islam's teachings and that is getting normal nowadays because we have freedom to a certain level and I don't mean that the freedom we got is bad if anything it shows you what people are like.

Unless they said: We are not Muslims, then we cannot say they aren't.

It is clear to us all that if we commit a sin then we will be punished. If we still hang on to them we're just harming ourselves, if we leave them we're doing good for ourselves. It's up to us to choose between this life or the next.

comitting a sin doesnt make u a non-muslim


but somehow, some "so called" muslims, dont follow 1 certain thing in Islam, they dont practice anything in Islam, and they diobay all the rules...

in this case, i doubt if they r considered muslims, but still, im not the 1 to judge...

I think as long as the pillars of Islam are done and practiced well, you're good of a muslim! So, how about we start with that and then concentrate on the other..

Something about this thread is so charming and nice! :)

I think something like this is one I would choose to show to Westerners who don't know Muslims personally...it represents you guys so well at your most relaxed best!

I think as long as the pillars of Islam are done and practiced well, you're good of a muslim! So, how about we start with that and then concentrate on the other..
a very wise thing.. the 5 pillers define a muslim accpt for the last ( Haj) if a person is unable to go to ..then its dropped becouse you cant make some1 do something he cant do ( eg: no money )
for the other things mentioned up, drinking n sex r from the majer sin in islam ( elkabaaer ) that these should not be done ...

I remember a story of the man who always drank, even after the verse forbidding that was sent down.

Everytime he drank, they hit him as the 'hadd' for drinking was not fixed. After they finish with the 'hadd', he would RUN to the Prophet :PBUH: and sit next to him. One of them said what meant: How dare you sit next to him after you commited such a sin! T

The Prophet :PBUH: replied: Leave him! For he loves God and His Prophet.

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Just shows how Love of God, which is in the heart, can be a strong reason for your sins to be erased and for you to go to Heaven. It also shows that we can't judge anyone by their sins even if they were from the 'Kabaa'er'.

I totally agree with umkhalid.
I dont think any one is qualified to judge and say whether this guy or girl is a muslim or not, no matter what the guy/girl did.

Man, it's been months since I last heard one of those generalisations all over the place. 'Girls these days' and 'couples' and 'many people' and of course 'we all know'...

To put forward that kind of statement you have to:
Meet all the 'girls' these days.
Meet all the couples.
And meet everybody to assume they are 'many' who don't go to the mosque.

Samples of the population won't work here. It's religion after all.
But, to put this neat and nice, the task I outlined above is clearly impossible. My two cents are: sit back, set yourself a good role model, try to become a role model, advise when your advice is most needed and try to live your life with God's grace all over you all the time. Leave the guidance to Him.

I think if we follow what allah and prophet said we will never commit any sins
and if we also think about the consequences we wont dare to do anything bad or forbidding .

Muslims nowadays are appearing to becoming more and more secular. It's already happened to Jews and Christians, so its bound to happen to Muslims. Sad but true.

But I guess thats how life goes. In the future, religious people might become just minorities. Believe me I know what secular is and I witness it here everyday abroad.

The church and state is already separated in western countries. Arab countries appear to be following the same path slowly(Not all Arab states FULLY follow Shariah).

Its quite easy for us to look at others actions and start criticizing them. The best way to go about it is start with ourselves, what can I do to improve myself? To make myself close to God, am I really doing that? What is missing?

I remember a story of the man who always drank, even after the verse forbidding that was sent down.

Everytime he drank, they hit him as the 'hadd' for drinking was not fixed. After they finish with the 'hadd', he would RUN to the Prophet :PBUH: and sit next to him. One of them said what meant: How dare you sit next to him after you commited such a sin! T

The Prophet :PBUH: replied: Leave him! For he loves God and His Prophet.

--

Just shows how Love of God, which is in the heart, can be a strong reason for your sins to be erased and for you to go to Heaven. It also shows that we can't judge anyone by their sins even if they were from the 'Kabaa'er'.


This is what always amazed me.
I don't get why the people who do the biggest sins KNOW they are doing wrong yet they keep on doing it but they are forgiven.
While if we do small things we feel really... bad?
And keep on praying and asking for forgiveness day and night.

While both of us will go to Heaven because we both believe in God, the Prophet :PBUH: and all their teachings.

I still don't get how can some "so-called" Muslims do all the big sins but become forgiven while we sometimes feel not forgiven (i know i shouldn't say this..) even if we did something small?

islam also sed that we cant take drugs and alcohol.....nowdays many ppl do!!

islam also sed "songs" and anythin that rocks the body is forbidden.
but does anyone follow the rule?
tlkin bout myself i dont, but i know that im doing and trying my best, prayin and doing all other stuff which god ordered us to do :)

nowdays everything that was from the BIG SINS which prophet sed would happen when "the last day" {yom il 8yama} will be soon....n it all is happnin....GOD knows!!
muslims should be under control they r givin bad views to others!

muslims should be under control they r givin bad views to others.

rite:)

Squinty, when you ask for forgivness, you have to BELIEVE that God will forgive you. When you think 'Oh, I might not be forgiven', then that's because of Waswasa. Of COURSE you'll be forgiven, God said He forgives all sins.

^That's the good news.
The bad news is that it seems that a huge number of people won't forgive sins.
For more info and evidence:
http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53862

That thread is about somerthing else. It's the personal forgiveness not God's. When I say I can't forgive a girl who commited adultery and have her as a wife, it's up to me. This thread is saying that God's forgiveness is not decided by us humans so we can't judge anyone's faith.

^Fair enough.
It's up to you.
That doesn't necessarily make it a perfect nor right decision on your part...Given the fact that that girl has repented and possibly forgiven by God Himself.

As you said, that's a topic for another thread and I have said my share in the thread with the link up there already. I was simply illustrating a point I thought quite valid to this thread to UmK.

I think it's a dangerous road to start judging other people, and especially to even hint that someone is "not Muslim" because you don't agree with his behaviour.

There is ONE thing that makes someone Muslim: It is that he or she says "There is no god but Allah, and Mohammed is the Messenger of Allah". If someone maintains that simple statement to be their belief, then even if you think they are the biggest sinner in the world, you cannot say they are not Muslim.

Of course it's a nice thing to give someone good advice on living their life in a good way, and respecting themselves and their religion. But only if it's done with good intention as an act of friendship. I don't think it's our responsibility to declare anyone else to be good or bad, let alone to say someone else is apostate just because we think their behaviour is wrong: Whoever says the shihada cannot be called "not a Muslim". Only Allah knows their hearts, and only Allah can know who is better or worse. Wa Allahu a3lam...