My family were having a discussion about ablution (washing before prayers) and what kind of acts makes you repeat it; for example: if you sleep after you've abluted, you must ablute again.

One of us mentioned that you are not allowed to be naked after ablution in front of your husband or wife. For example, let's say you've just taken a shower, then abluted, then came out of the bathroom wanting to dress up and your husband/wife sees you naked (intentionally or unintentionally), you must ablute again.

So we started having a deep discussion about this and some of us agreed to it and others didn't. What do you know about it and is it true that you must ablute again if your husband/wife sees you naked?

Not even a kiss nullifies ablution or breaks the fast, according to a reliable hadith
So I think the situation you described follows a similar reasoning

thats a good question! waiting for the answers!

Good and logical reasoning amo, I admire your simplicity :yes:

My mum once told me that you can't even ablute if you're naked! Even if no one sees you, it's just wrong :os

^ LoL I remember our teacher used to say the same thing.
It's being too much, and causing too much complications isn't a good thing ;)

My mum once told me that you can't even ablute if you're naked! Even if no one sees you, it's just wrong :os
You can check on Sayyid Sabiq book, you did a thread with it I remember

I admire your simplicity

Wait for next Ramadan and then you see how many threads with this sort of questions :D
Maybe Ibadhis have different views on this and similar issues, I don't know

You can check on Sayyid Sabiq book, you did a thread with it I remember

I've scanned through it, but it is mostly about prayers.. It doesn't mention anything about ablution.

i hear about this naked thing for the 1st time...

i have some questions in mind as well...

- is ablution done differently in defferent sects??
(i heard that some sects dont wash thier ears? or necks??)

- a sunni guy once told me that if u spent several hours moving after ur ablution, u need to do it again before u pray?? even if u didnt sleep/go to the toilet or did the other stuff...


i hope im not going off-topic but i just wanna make sure if what i heard is right...

^ I don't mind your questions in my thread as long as my question is also cleared :)

Let's hope we get a solid answer in regards to this.

Living with people of both sectors, Ibadhies and Sunnis perform ablution in the same exact way, Shiites do it differently but I don't know what is the difference.

If you do the ablution and then stay for a long time and didn't do anything that breaks it, then it is still on and you don't have to do it again. It's as simple as that. Some scholars recommend on doing it before every prayer whether you broke the ablution or not. But it is not a must. Thats how I read it in books!

I've scanned through it, but it is mostly about prayers.. It doesn't mention anything about ablution.
It depends on which edition you have and if you got the whole series

I think the confusion on the issue presented by EW in the initial post, starts because of the different ruling on the touching of the private parts Shafi say it nullifies ablution, Hanafi disagree based on an hadeeth where the Prophet said that sexual organs are just a part of our body
So one who follows the first, has the perception that private parts are dirty
And when you start ablution or in the time between ablution and prayer, you start to fear that everything can nullify it
For example I remember a woman asking to Sheikh Salah on huda channel, whether answering to a phone call before starting prayer, would nullify her ablution or not
He smiled and said that as long as she had not committed sin with tongue while speaking, that was ok and no need to perform wudu again

This is amazing.. I was about to open a thread about it to ask...

What exactly are the things that "nullify" ablution.

And doesn't it strain things between a married couple when they have to keep getting washed each time they pray? ie. it would be easier to just not kiss, not hug, not nothing .. from prayer 1 to prayer 5.. you know.. to save time. :rolleyes:

i'd do it on purpose.. (spoil his ablution ) just for fun. keep him in the shower all day.

Wait, I heard if you go take a shower and have the intention to Ablute, you don't have to because the shower will be enough, isn't that true? So how come you're not allowed to ablute while you're naked?

Amarant, I guess shiites touch the water once and then continue their abultion without putting their hands on the water again. My friend once told me his aunt was so pissed at him when he Abulted in our "sunni/abadhi" way instead of "shiite" way..

i'd do it on purpose.. (spoil his ablution ) just for fun. keep him in the shower all day.

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yes you can do it at the sink..

but you know.. it's a bother and all that. Easier to just stay away from your husband/wife all day.

yes you can do it at the sink..

but you know.. it's a bother and all that. Easier to just stay away from your husband/wife all day.

Why is it a bother? You just take a few mins to clean yourself and that's it.

I don't think a kiss or a hug nullifies ablution. I doubt it. So you don't have to stay away from your spouse all day..

Why is it a bother? You just take a few mins to clean yourself and that's it.
5 times a day.

Btw, I agree with you.. I'm just asking if this is a real problem or not. If it happens.

I don't think a kiss or a hug nullifies ablution. I doubt it. So you don't have to stay away from your spouse all day..
ok.. but the man can argue that if he kissed you he'd get a hard on etc etc .. and it's najis ... etc etc

I think ejaculation is the only thing that nullifies ablution. I don't think if his big boy gets erect, he needs to ablute again. Then again, why would anyone ask for a kiss or try to get sexy when they've just abluted? Pray then do whatever you want to do! lol!

Why would they kiss if he's on his way to pray?

I think ejaculation is the only thing that nullifies ablution. I don't think if his big boy gets erect, he needs to ablute again. Then again, why would anyone ask for a kiss or try to get sexy when they've just abluted? Pray then do whatever you want to do! lol!
uhh.. ok I'll spell it word for word.

He gets an erection, you know.. when the blood rushes in, throb throb throb.. and then little drops of pre-cum ooze out slowly..


I've probably ruined someone's ablution now. :hyper:

Why would they kiss if he's on his way to pray?
between prayers.. not as he's standing at the edge of his sallaya

I don't see the needs for 'jokes' in this thread :).

Rossonero, no shia do touch the water more than once, but there are some other differences like not washing the neck or ears, and wiping the feet instead of washing them.

^ That's fine. He'll just ablue again.. I mean you can't stay with the same ablution all day. People fart, pee, shit.. these all need re-ablution!

Why would they kiss if he's on his way to pray?is'nt customary to give you wife a kiss, hug or pat on the toosh when leaving the house.

uhh.. ok I'll spell it word for word.

He gets an erection, you know.. when the blood rushes in, throb throb throb.. and then little drops of pre-cum ooze out slowly..


I've probably ruined someone's ablution now. :hyper:

I thought you guys were just talking about a simple kiss; not the naughty type lol! Again, do the naughty type when he's not abluted.

is'nt customary to give you wife a kiss, hug or pat on the toosh when leaving the house.

Those kind of simple fast kisses, hugs are fine.

Sh. Ahmed reply *sorry in arabic*

Naked while ablution (http://www.ibadhiyah.net/fatawa/showthread.php?postid=11474&highlight=%C7%E1%E6%D6%E6%C1#post11474)

Sheikh Ahmed Al Khalili made it clear there & it makes all the sense. I think whoever is ready for prayers shouldn't distract himself with anything else.

^ To translate ToomuchaT's link:

It's okay to ablute naked and it's okay if your husband/wife sees you naked after ablution. But it is preferred that stay away from it.

Thanks for this, I always knew it was ok to oblute naked, but wasnt sure about the spouse thing.

did you know! eating camels meat nullifies ablution.

about kissing here is a hadith:

'Aishah related that the Messenger of Allah, :PBUH: , kissed her while he was fasting and said, "Kissing does not nullify the ablution, nor does it break the fast." (Related by Ishaq ibn Rahawaih and al-Bazzar with a good chain.)

Touching the sexual organ without any barrier between the hand and the organ nullifies ablution here is the hadith :

Abu Hurairah reported the Prophet :PBUH: as saying, "Whoever touches his sexual organ without any covering (between them) must perform ablution." (Related by Ahmad, Ibn Hibban and al-Hakim, who classified it as sahih, as did Ibn 'Abdul-Barr.)

The Hanifiyyah are of the opinion, based on the following hadith, that touching the sexual organ does not nullify the ablution: "A man asked the Prophet:PBUH: if a man who touches his penis has to perform ablution. Said the Prophet,:PBUH:, "No, it is just a part of you." (Related by "the five." Ibn Hibban classified it as sahih, and Ibn al-Madini said, "It is better than the hadith of Busrah.')

so i guess it depends on the situation.


Bleeding from an unusual place

This involves bleeding due to a wound, cupping or a nosebleed, and regardless of whether the amount of blood is small or large. Said al-Hassan, "The Muslims still prayed even while wounded." (Related by al-Bukhari.) He also reported, "Ibn 'Umar squeezed a pimple until it bled, but he did not renew his ablution. Ibn Abi 'Uqiyy spat blood and continued his prayer. 'Umar ibn al-Khattab prayed while blood was flowing from him. 'Ibbad ibn Bishr was hit with an arrow while praying, but continued his prayers." (Related by Abu Dawud, Ibn Khuzaimah, and al-Bukhari in mu'allaq form.)

Vomit

Regardless of whether the amount of vomit was great or small, there is no sound hadeeth that it nullifies ablution.

Of doubts whether or not one has released gas

This is the case where the person cannot quite recall if he is in a state of purity or not. Such a state of mind does not nullify ablution, regardless of whether the person is in prayer or not, until he is certain that he has nullified his ablution. 'Abbad ibn Tameem related that his uncle queried the Prophet about a person who feels something in his abdomen while praying. Said the Prophet, "He should not leave (the prayer) until he hears it or smells it." (Related by Muslim, Abu Dawud and at-Tirmidhi).

^ why is that?

i don't see why can't your spouse kiss you after ablution, it's perfectly fine. he can kiss you when he's fasting even. you can hug, make out (people usually avoid that, for obvious reasons lol.), whatever. only ejaculation breaks fasting/ablution, or so i've heard.
and i don't see why would someone starting kissing before praying anyway, you're supposed to be spiritually ready for prayer. no distractions.


it's also preferable that you ablute before each prayer. it doesn't take much time. a couple of minutes? and you feel clean and fresh. i personally like abluting before each prayer.

^ why is that?

i don't see why can't your spouse kiss you after ablution, it's perfectly fine. he can kiss you when he's fasting even. you can hug, make out (people usually avoid that, for obvious reasons lol.), whatever. only ejaculation breaks fasting/ablution, or so i've heard.
and i don't see why would someone starting kissing before praying anyway, you're supposed to be spiritually ready for prayer. no distractions.


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well i did mention its ok to kiss your wife and it won't nullifies the ablution

here it is again, the hadith :

'Aishah related that the Messenger of Allah, , kissed her while he was fasting and said, "Kissing does not nullify the ablution, nor does it break the fast." (Related by Ishaq ibn Rahawaih and al-Bazzar with a good chain.)


ofcourse when some one make wudu2 he won't go looking for his wife to kiss, but i think its good to know about this so a person who kissed his wife between prayers doesn't have to make wudu2 again.

Interesting, I always thought the camel meat issue was perfectly based on the situation when the hadith was said.
The prophet and some of his companions were having camel meat.
A man happened to release gas.
In order to not embarrass the man, the prophet PBUH ordered everybody to perform ablution.

I have never and do not eat camel meat but is there any solid ground that it totally nullifies ablution?

Damage Inc.: i'm sorry, i asked that before you edited. i was asking about the Camel meat.

i agree with what you said, thanks for providing the hadeeths. :)

oh ok, my bad.

well am not sure of the reason but most scolars agree that camel meat mullifies ablution because of the hadeeth of Jaabir ibn Samurah, who said that a man asked the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), “Should we do wudoo’ after eating camel meat?” He said, “Yes.” (Narrated by Muslim, al-Hayd, 539).

i will look for the reason and i will post it here inshallah .

Endure whisper a very good thread you have here!

I have learned alot ! never knew eating camels meat nullifies ablution!
or decent kiss wouldnt harm it!

but in either way it doesnt matter lol coz am not married nor a meat eater lol

but its nice to know such information ...

that would be great Damage Inc., thank you.

Damage, thank you! New information for me about the camel meat, hope you find the reason behind it!

The camel meat is a strange one...and new to me too! (Btw Thready, it's not bad, but I recommend long slow cooking...I've cooked it occasionally....what about camel milk? That's fantastic :D)

Anyway..sorry..this isn't the Recipes Sabla. I've heard from I think Sunni sources that it is not permissable to make wudu naked (of course you are naked if you make ghasl). But I don't quite know the reason? Maybe just because it's not necessary?!

well about the camel meat; the only reason i found that it nullifies ablution is because it is said in the hadith.

i asked my saudi friends who come from bedouin areas about it, they told me that the meat is very fatty and the fat is very hard to remove from your hands so thats why we have to make wudu after eating the meat.

i have read that camels milk doesn't nullifies ablution. but if you drink milk for the first time you would have to make wudu if you like it or not, because you going to spend the whole day at the restroom :). so my advice if you ever want to drink camels milk make sure there is a restroom close by.

wa allahu a3lam ( and Allah is thee all knowing).

i don't think i'll ever eat Camel meat, or drink it's milk anyway. but thank you for the Info. :)