I've been brought up and raised as an Ibadhi but I don't quite follow every rule. I follow different rules from different sectors; as long as they are Islamic sectors :rolleyes:.. Examples:

1) If you miss fasting x number of days in Ramadhan, you have to refast x number of days consecutively. I don't follow that.

2) You're not allowed to pluck your eyebrows and it's considered a la3na (curse) if you do. I pluck my eye brows.

These are 2 examples that have different judgements by different sectors.

Do you follow your sector seriously? Or do you combine what you like from different sectors? Give examples..

I'm a sunni and honestly speaking, I'm not that religious. I don't care much about sectors and what not. I don't follow my sector seriously nor do I combine what I like from different sectors. I'm more of... hmm... a person that goes by the book?! lol:p I don't really go into details. Like the fasting thing, as long my days have been fasted, that's good enough for me.

Your first example is true about the Ibadhi sector and i do refast all my days consecutively

Since im also Ibadhi i follow all the rules and i find them okay ...it dosnt really matter to me i mean were all muslim at the end and if i couldn’t follow a certain rule i may consider asking the shaikh about it even if it means i should follow this specific rule of another sector in islam :)

I mostly combine since my dad is sunni and my mom is abadhi.
If the rule is not convincing enough to me then I don’t follow it, like plucking eyebrows, I don’t see how it can affect me or anyone else in a negative way.

I'm originally Ibadhi, :think: But I don't follow the regulations and all that, instead I follow my instincts and what I believe is right.

If you miss fasting x number of days in Ramadhan, you have to refast x number of days consecutively. I don't follow that.

It's not just that.. You should also fast them before Ramadhan comes again! As in you have a year to pay your days.

^yeah I follow that coz my mum makes me. I'm Ibadhi but I don't necessarily follow each rule. In which sector is it okay to pluck your eyebrows?

^^ The Shi3i sector

I don't have a certain sector ..
My parents and all family are Abadhi though ..
It's really weird to be in a house where you are the only one that's not full Abadhi :p

I pray like shi3a .. >> 3 times a day .. without the turba (sand) though
I shave like how Sunna say its okay to shave the beard ..
I respect Abadhi's because they try to follow our Prophet as much as possible ..

I can't say I am Abadhi .. because I break their rules .. so it won't really make me a good Abadhi .. I try my best to be good at everything .. so breaking a rule won't make me a good person .. I'd rather not follow any sector .. :os

What i really don't get .. is when Abahdi's (my family for extent) think that they are the best sector .. while they are rarely found in the world and the majority of Muslims are Sunna! :os .. and the Saudi's which are closer to Mecca (Allah's house) are Sunna! What makes them being the best sector ?!!! :os .. I wonder !

My dad is Ibadhi, and my mum is Sunni.. I don't really belong to one particular sect. I pick and mix whatever I find convenient or convincing.

For example, I pray the Sunni way, with my arms in front, not at my side.

With regards to fasting, I refast my days before the next Ramadhan, but I won't necessarily fast consecutive days.

Although apparently you can shorten your prayers and pray "safar" if you're 12km from your home, I don't do that. I only pray "safar" after I've left the city I live in.

Oh, and I definitely thread and maintain my eyebrows.

Also, I don't follow the ruling where a woman shouldn't expose the area from her belly button to her knees to other women. I wear normal swim suits and short shorts.

But everyone seems to be plucking their eyebrows nowadays whether shi3i or sunni..I dunno why make a big fuss about it. It's just getting rid of excess unwanted hairs.

I'm shi3i and I obviously pray the shi3i way but I guess that's about it? Can't think of anything else

1) If you miss fasting x number of days in Ramadhan, you have to refast x number of days consecutively. I don't follow that.

2) You're not allowed to pluck your eyebrows and it's considered a la3na (curse) if you do. I pluck my eye brows.

These are 2 examples that have different judgements by different sectors.

Do you follow your sector seriously? Or do you combine what you like from different sectors? Give examples..

actually, regarding the first point. I heared from a reliable Ibadhi source that its ok to break the days however its best to fast them togther. Because of my pregnancy, I did it this year.

Regarding number 2, both Ibadhi and sunni sects agree on that.

I generally follow the ibadhi sect esp. on 3ibadat (prayers and so). However, if I beleive something the Ibadhi sect doesnt sound correct, I search around and check the reasoning behind it. I try not take the easy way out but to reason what rule I take.

Minerva, I dont pluck my eyebrows and I really happy gratefulI dont need to go through the tension of needing to take it out :) .. I admit I dont have very bushy eyebrows though so maybe its easier to accept them.

lucky you if you don't have bushy ones. mine aren't bushy cos i'm fair by nature..but i still like a good arch to my eyebrows. it's like an instant facelift.

I generally follow the ibadhi sect esp. on 3ibadat (prayers and so). However, if I beleive something the Ibadhi sect doesnt sound correct, I search around and check the reasoning behind it. I try not take the easy way out but to reason what rule I take.
.

I do exactly the same :)

And hey girls plucking your eyebrows doesn't make you pretty :rolleyes:. I believe natural eyes with natural eyebrows are much pretty.

I'm an Ibathi, i mostly follow the Ibadhi sect, but not always

- i dont wear short dishdashas

- i dont have a long beard

what about 'natural legs' and 'natural armpits'?

^ You're allowed to remove hair from those areas.

^ You're allowed to remove hair from those areas.
what if a girl has a 'moustache'? is she allowed to remove it?

Yes she is. She can remove all body hair except for the eye brows.

how about u girls start "hair removal" thread :)

how about u girls start "hair removal" thread :)
good idea. i'll be the devil's advocate for eyebrow waxing.

Yeah, minerva please do. I don't want this thread to take a different direction although all the questions you asked was about: "Is it allowed in Islam to... ?" :)

I am Abadhi. I pray like one, I fast like one when I have to repay my days, I don't thread my eyebrows. However sometimes Abadhi rules don't make sense to me and I tend to agree more with the Sunnis. So for the most, I follow my sect but for some minor issues, I might disagree and opt for another reasoning from another sect because it makes complete sense to me!

Is it allowed to wax the ears hair? If not, then I follow Sufism :| -

Well, I really don't know what I follow.

+Salam

The reason of choosing which sect you follow should be after studing all the sects or study only your sect or at least know what your sects says.
Instead people (many) follow what suits them,not what Allah would wants us to do.. same as following religions, Thats clear from some answers in this thread.

examples:

2) You're not allowed to pluck your eyebrows and it's considered a la3na (curse) if you do. I pluck my eye brows.
i dont wear short dishdashas


* The problem here is, All sects of Islam forbid plucking eyebrows due to thuboot a hadeeth , accepted by all. Not only Ibadhism...

* Short dishdasha (& trousers) are a must for all muslims because Isbaal (covering your maleoli) is forbiden according to hadeeth which is accepted by all.Look at the teachings not what people do. cos everybody gets mixed up I guess, thats why we belive that aljahr Bi-alma3siya is wrong, as everyone think that wrong thing are correct just because they are done??????

so do you really think you are following islam or what you feel comfortable with?

Read why things are forbiden. you all have the correct choice to take(if you are interested to follow Allah's Orders Not what you feel comfortable with!!

^ Shias don't forbid eye brow plucking.

im suni n i dont follows any particular sector, i go with what's in the quran n in the hadeeth, n sometimes if i see that some issues has different opinons from different shaikhs, then id search n see what i feel best, i mean what i think is comfurtible for me

eg: i dont plug my eyebrows coz its stated ( la3n) curse.. or else i would have done it a long time ago.. i dont feel that being pretty here in earth if worth it when you gaining no mercy from your creater ( Allah ) , but some said bleaching n cutting is okay, so i use to do that, now i only cut them n many criticize me, but as long as i feel good about myself i dont care what others think.

I agree with um albanin, A muslim should seek the ruling which has strong evidences not just because I'm looking for a way out of something so I keep switching between this sect and that sect, that is wrong. Someone might say some of Ibadhi rulings are tough but that is because Ibadhi scholars always try to be on the safe side if the situation is not black and white.

^I agree with the first part of your post. But if the Ibahdi sect ever has a weak evidence of something, and the Sunni sect has a strong evidence of the same thing, you would obviously follow the Sunni opinion on it, right?

Personally, I think most of the scholars (from all different sects, that's the word by the way. Sect is not short for 'sector') are doing a great job trying to explain and interpret the verses of the Qura'n and the sayings and actions of the prophet PBUH accurately and most of the Sunni fatwas I read are more than satisfactory and always seem to be just as mild for my own lifestyle.

Thread, so far I haven't seen any weak evidence from Ibadhi teachings, what makes Ibadhi evidences strong espacially when it comes to the hadeeth is having their own book of hadeeth (Musnad Al-Imam Al-Rabee3) which have strong narrations.

I never said they did or any sect did anyhow...But you notice I used the hypothetical 'If'...So I was just wondering really that IF (and as you say the situation is highly unlikely) the Ibadhi scholars happen to have a ruling that seems to lack evidence and the Sunni scholars on the same matter have a ruling that seems to have more evidence. Which one would you follow?

I will follow the one with strong evidence and which doesn't contradict with the holy Quran. Maybe it will help if you can give an example.

How about you?

IceTea, that's the whole point, I had no familiar examples at hand, it was just a hypothetical question really :p
But I'd do the same...

about the long dishdasha thing

it was forbidden because in the past, people with long dishdashas were the people who have money and like to brag about it (al ba6r)...

nowadays, anyone can make a long dishdasha, it's even the other way around, poor people make long dishdashas so that they last longer than short dishdashas...

im not bragging about mmy money when i wear a long dishdasha (it's not even long, but it covers the "jwza")

this is an example of a situation where i didnt follow my sect, after asking about it and had my time of thinking...

i dont just follow whatever i like, there are many things in other sects that would make my life easier, but i believe in the reasons that forbidden them in my sect :)

Probably a Muʿtazilah. Love the way they think. :D

In truth, I follow the principle of takhayur. :cute:

^ Shias don't forbid eye brow plucking.

Shiia do not forbid because they give a different translation of the *AlNamissa* which we disagree with them .+ they dont accept ahaadeeth from the two shaikhs.

But Let us see to what they say regarding this issue:

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته

هل يجوز للنساء و الرجال حفّ الحواجب ؟



جواب مكتب المرجع الخامنئي – دام ظله-

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

باسمه تعالى

العمل المذكور في نفسه جائز، نعم إن عد زينة للمرأة فيجب عليها ستره عن الأجنبي .

والله العالم

**************************************

جواب المرجع اللنكراني – دام ظله-

بسم اللَّه الرحمن الرحيم

و عليكم السلام و رحمة اللَّه و بركاته

لا إشكال فيه، و لكن يجب على النساء التستر حينئذ، لأنّه يعدّ من الزينة.

والسلام

جواب مكتب المرجع الشاهرودي – دام ظله -

بسمه تعالى

نعم يجوز ذلك لكن المرأة الشابة الجميلة لا بد أن تستر وجهها من الأجنبي على الأحوط الوجوبي و إذا عد حف الحواجب زينته فيجب ستر وجهها .

قسم الاستفتاء في مكتب آية الله العظمى السيد محمد الحسيني الشاهرودي.

رقم الاستفتاء 342/1

So are you wearing Niqaab or ghashwa when you go out or when non-mahram men see you? Full acceptance is required not half -half?

about the long dishdasha thing

it was forbidden because in the past, people with long dishdashas were the people who have money and like to brag about it (al ba6r)...

nowadays, anyone can make a long dishdasha, it's even the other way around, poor people make long dishdashas so that they last longer than short dishdashas...
im not bragging about mmy money when i wear a long dishdasha (it's not even long, but it covers the "jwza")

this is an example of a situation where i didnt follow my sect, after asking about it and had my time of thinking...

i dont just follow whatever i like, there are many things in other sects that would make my life easier, but i believe in the reasons that forbidden them in my sect :)


Thats not the only reason for forbidding it!! cleanliness is another & superior to that, the women is exception cos usually they pray in their homes with cleaner wearings unlike men who pray in masjids.

Plus it is not only in the past. If something was halal in the past its still halal now, & if its haram in the past, Guess what? its still haram now.Imagine that we follow your way, in couple of years Adultry will be halal since one of the reasons of it being forbidden is to purify families from mixed-up nasl (offsprings) , we want to know who is the child of who..so if we have DNA matching...than adultry is OK?

We are praying 5 times a day, we dont know why? may be back then, people didnt have internet, dvds,& play stations,we go to long hours work, now we are busy, can we make it 3times ? no ? why , because we dont know why it was made 5 times, but we do because its the rule

..After all,I beleive that sunna,shiia & Ibadhi scholars are against isbaal. From where did you get that its halal?

I am Abadhi. I pray like one, I fast like one when I have to repay my days, I don't thread my eyebrows. However sometimes Abadhi rules don't make sense to me and I tend to agree more with the Sunnis. So for the most, I follow my sect but for some minor issues, I might disagree and opt for another reasoning from another sect because it makes complete sense to me!

Very logic and rational.

I barely care about the difference between my sect and other sects; I just follow what's convenient and logic.

It's not "sector" it's "sect". *yawn*


N.B. for previous similar posts, check every thread on this subject for the last six years

^loooooooooooooool mimosa has been trying to correct that in sabla for many years :D

I was wondering about the title, too. :p

I am not religious but I usually follow the Ibadhi sect in the practical issues (3ibadat) just like AP. I do sometimes wipe on my feet with my socks on when I use the airplane laboratory, it is so inconvenient to get to wash my feet and so unrealistic not to delay the prayer for 10 hours because I cannot wash my feet.

But also because I am Ibadhi, I always combine the prayers except when I go to my hometown which is less than 20 days a year.
My Wahabi friend started doing the same, why 5 a day we are all Muslims and he was always criticized for that.

Okay, the corrections are done :p. Thanks Mimo for that.

^loooooooooooooool mimosa has been trying to correct that in sabla for many years :D

It's funny how people get words like that mixed up!

The Ethiopians here often work as baby sitters.

But when you ask them what they do, they say, "I'm baby sister."

Um Albanin, i asked a "shafe3i" scholar, he told me what i posted...

Um Albania,... :hyper:
where is Abu Montenegro?

cute mistake!

Um Albanin, i asked a "shafe3i" scholar, he told me what i posted...


Thanks Amarant & dont worry about the name!:angel:, But again I like that people should go in details to check what are they suppose to do. I Know shaf3i people do not do isbaal, so I think you should be careful of whom you are asking. check the evidances not just follow. It seems all the hadeeth regarding what you claim is weak (Dha3eef)...according to sunnis even, not just Ibadhies.
This is the answer of sunni people as a reply to what have you said:


http://www.alquma.net/vb/showthread.php?t=239126

So

Its Haram but some scholars hates to condemend other scholars cos they dont want to make Furqa...they called it Ijtihaad rather then (without evidance). Look at this wesite below.


فهذا مجمل الجواب على ما أوردته في سؤالك ، والذي ينبغي للمسلم أن يجتهد في الوصول إلى الصواب في مسائل الخلاف بالبحث والنظر إن كان أهلاً ، وإن لم يكن أهلاً لهذا فليقلِّد من يثق في دينه وعلمه ، وليدع عنه الإنكار والنقاش والجدال ، ونسأل الله تعالى أن يعلِّمَنا ما جهلنا ، وأن ينفعنا بما علَّمَنا .
والله أعلم

Its not acceptible to pray behind Imam who is Musbil , Imagine if the line containes people who are musbileen??? Imagine that you can pray behind Fajir & fasiq but not behind Musbil..does it make any diffenece to you?I do beleive that your intensions are good though.

^ Thank you so much for the effective info you provided us, um albanin.

Regardless that Isbaal is religiously forbidden, personally speaking, I dislike wearing long dishdasha because it somewhat looks gay and inappropriate.

I'm Abathi but:
~ I don't fold my arms on my chest when I pray.
~ I don't overpraise Hassan and Hussain more than our Prophet PBUH.
~ I don't believe if someone will be in hell will be moved to heavens.
~ I don't believe in 'Al-Mahdi'.
~ I don't believe we'll see Allah in the Judgement Day or in Heavens.

I am a muslim, I don't care about sects to be honest, and I just follow what makes the most sense to me and what feels morally right, with the guidance of Quran and Sunna.

ah i'm so sick of the same old sect talk -_-

I'm Abathi but:
~ I don't fold my arms on my chest when I pray.
~ I don't overpraise Hassan and Hussain more than our Prophet PBUH.
~ I don't believe if someone will be in hell will be moved to heavens.
~ I don't believe in 'Al-Mahdi'.
~ I don't believe we'll see Allah in the Judgement Day or in Heavens.

Abathis don't pray with their arms on their chests..those are Sunnis..:rolleyes:
Over praising Hassan and Hussain is what Shi3as do

I think you misused "but" in ur post :p

not covering the "jawza" is musbil ??

not covering the "jawza" is musbil ??

In an intercalatory sense, depending on the parabolic indicator.

Don't know what I mean? Don't worry!

I didn't know what you meant either! :p