View Full Version : The Family Bed in Islam


IceTea
03-04-08, 12:11 PM
The family bed is an aspect of traditional family life, which has largely become a thing of the past. Even Muslims have adopted the unnatural Western cultural practices of confining the baby to a separate room away from its parents and replacing breast-feeding with bottle-feeding.

"Modern" parents try to put the baby to sleep in a crib away from human touch. The parents will then spend countless nights awake, coaxing their baby to sleep, only to have him wake up as soon as he is put down in the crib. In order that the baby will stop disturbing the parents' sleep, it is considered necessary for children to develop "independence" at an early age. That is why doctors in the West push parents to teach the baby to sleep through the night alone, which can only be done by teaching the baby that no one is available. The standard American baby handbook, What to Expect the First Year (Eisenberg) advises:

"If you can tolerate an hour or more of vigorous crying and screaming, don't go to the baby, soothe him, feed him, or talk to him when he wakes up in the middle of the night. Just let him cry until he's exhausted himself-and the possibility, in his mind, that he's going to get anywhere, or anyone, by crying-and has fallen back to sleep. The next night do the same; the crying will almost certainly last a shorter time…You may find that earplugs, the whir of the fan, or the hum of voices or music on the radio or TV can take the edge off the crying without blocking it out entirely. If you have an intercom from the baby's room, the magnified crying may be particularly grating. You can reduce that problem by turning it off when the crying starts. If baby is truly hysterical, you may hear him anyway. If you can't hear him at all, set a minute timer for twenty minutes. When the buzzer rings, turn the intercom back on to see if he's still at it. Repeat this every twenty minutes until the crying stops."

Is it any wonder that American youth feel alienated and depressed? Today's young people are characterized by a lack of connection with the home and family and a deep insecurity about whether they are loved. This feeling of distance from others is most likely something which started at infancy. If we gave our child the message since he was a baby that we are only available if and when it is convenient to us, who can blame them when they have problems later on in his life. If feels afraid and alone, it will not occur to him to ask his parents for advice, but he will instead turn to love substitutes and develop bad habits. Could you respect someone who sat by and knew you were crying and didn't try to help you solve the problem?

As Muslims, we want to create a strong emotional bond with our children that will last into our old age, when we will become dependent upon our children to take care of us, as Islam demands. We definitely do not want to give our children the message that we were not available when they needed us.

Some parental advocates are starting to wake up to the dangers of isolating a baby in this way. According to SIDS researcher James J. McKenna,

"Nighttime parent-infant co-sleeping during at least the first year of life is the universal, species-wide normative context for infant sleep, to which both parents and infants are biologically and psychosocially adapted…Solitary infant sleep is an exceedingly recent, novel, and alien experience for the human infant - a sensory - deprived microenvironment for which not all infants are equally prepared biologically."

Research reveals lower Sudden Infant Death (SID) rates in cultures where mothers sleep in close proximity to or in contact with their infants during the first year of life (Mothering, No. 62, Winter 92). Babies are less likely to mysteriously stop breathing when they are in close contact with another human being, especially the mother. This disproves the idea that the danger of rolling on top of one's baby and smothering them justifies depriving the child of your warmth. This tragedy occurs very rarely, and usually it involves parental use of drugs or alcohol putting the parent into a deep sleep. Under healthy circumstances, a mother is highly tuned into her baby even in sleep. She would be no more likely to roll over on top of her baby and not notice them struggling to squirm free than she would be likely to roll over and fall off the bed. Most infant smothering happens when a baby is laying face down in a thick quilt.

Statistically, a baby is actually more likely to die when left alone in their crib where no one notices them. In the entire kingdom of nature, no mother sleeps away from her infant, leaving it defenseless against predators. All mammal babies sleep curled up next to their mothers, suckling sweetly. If a baby cries in the night, it is because they want their mama! Who can blame them? Close physical contact is also essential to the swift recovery of a premature infant. It is recommended for weak and small babies to be held skin to skin with a parent for several hours a day. This is called the "kangaroo hold" and can be done by keeping him in a sling under your shirt or jacket (leaving ample breathing room) during the day.

A Muslim mother is available to her child. A Muslim father is available to his child. We know that with parent-child attachment comes the emotional security that is necessary for developing a healthy inner self-confidence. The message we want to get across to our child is, "If you have a problem, come to me. If you are afraid, tell me about it. If you are lonely, I am here." We are not interested in cultivating independence before the child is ready for it.

The Holy Prophet prescribed separating the children in their beds by the age of ten:

"Order your children to observe Salat when they reach the age of seven and spank them for not observing it when they reach the age of ten, and arrange their beds (for sleeping) separately." (Abu Dawud)

This hadith implies that before the age of moral reason, small children are not required to sleep alone. Islam has no prohibitions against parents sleeping in the same bed with a small child. In practice, a Muslim baby should sleep with its parents, especially while they are still breastfeeding. Since the father is usually only home at night, being near the baby during sleep is beneficial to the bonding process. Sleeping with their mother also gives the baby the opportunity to nurse on demand, which is important for Muslim mothers wishing to complete the full term as prescribed by Allah.

"… His mother bears him in weakness upon weakness, and his weaning takes two years - Be grateful to Me and to your parents." (Quran 31:14)

Compare the two situations: A child cries in the night. The mother pulls them to her breast, with both drifting back to sleep next to each other. And, a child cries in the night. Mother or father gets out of bed, warms a bottle, and brings it to the child. Parents take turns rocking the baby back to sleep, slowly put him down, and tiptoe away from the crib. Which couple got the most sleep? Experienced mothers know that an infant will sleep soundly through the night as long as they can smell their mother nearby and feel her warmth, and if they awaken hungry in the night, they will only cry for a second until the child finds the breast and nurses back to sleep. There is no stress on the mother, disturbing of the overworked father, getting up out of bed, or tears in the night. Sleeping with a small child gives them the security that you are there. As far as the baby is concerned, they are completely happy.

As a baby grows into a child, their need to be near others while they are sleeping does not go away. Those children who have been trained to sleep in their own beds will still find countless ways to disrupt their parents' sleep, requesting glasses of water, trips to the washroom, somebody to close the closet door, check under the bed for monsters, etc. I recall many nights in my own childhood lying awake in bed, obsessing and panicking about the concept of death and other heavy issues, but knowing I was not to disturb my parents. Patrick C. Friman, a clinical psychologist and director of clinical services for a boy's counseling center explains, "It's not pathological, it's not a disease, and it's common in industrialized cultures," where children usually sleep apart from parents (NJ Star-Ledger).

Children come up with these ploys because they are frightened of how it feels to be alone, drifting into unconsciousness. Instead of engaging in power struggles with small children over intimate issues, parents can opt to allow the child back into their bed even if he/she has their own bed as long as they are under the age of reason. This differs according to each child. The hadith mentioned above points to 7 - 10 as a maximum age, although another hadith from Abu Dawud describes the age of reason as the time when a child can distinguish his right hand from his left.

Newlyweds, when planning your marital bedroom furniture, consider buying a king-sized futon to lie on the floor. That will serve you for years to come as a child-safe family bed, where the father will have room to snuggle with mother and baby rather than being banished to the couch, as often happens when new parents discover that the baby doesn't want to sleep in their crib and takes over the honeymoon bed. Even if you don't plan to have children immediately, a large bed is still a very comfortable sleeping option and it will save you time and effort in the future.

source (http://http://www.themodernreligion.com/family/bed.html).

IceTea
03-04-08, 12:37 PM
Would you keep your baby in a separate room?

Thalia
03-04-08, 12:45 PM
Both my kids slept in my bed for the first 3 months. After that, their cots were touching my bed, with the side gate between us, down until they could get up and climb out of it... and climb into my bed again..

Your article says 'muslim this' and 'muslim that' and oh the poor American youth... really icetea, it's farcical to think that only muslims keep their infants in their beds/bedrooms. :rolleyes:

Ask any breast feeding mother what is the easiest option at night if not to simply reach over without getting out of bed and letting the little one latch on. It has nothing to do with being there or not for your child. But if you wanna delve into the subject of leaving babies and toddlers with strangers otherwise known as nannies, you're welcome. :) I'm sure we can get into that whole islamic concept of being there for your child when he needs you.

Endure Whisper
03-04-08, 01:46 PM
Would you keep your baby in a separate room?

Yes I will.. I haven't experienced it yet but my sister in law is doing just fine having the baby in the room next door..

If I couldn't and need them by my side, I will but maybe for the first few months (upto 4 months) and then they should have their own bedroom. I don't want them getting used to sleeping with their parents as they grow.

IceTea
03-04-08, 02:38 PM
and oh the poor American youth...


Didn't you read what the standard American baby handbook says, What to Expect the First Year (Eisenberg) advises:


"If you can tolerate an hour or more of vigorous crying and screaming, don't go to the baby, soothe him, feed him, or talk to him when he wakes up in the middle of the night. Just let him cry until he's exhausted himself-and the possibility, in his mind, that he's going to get anywhere, or anyone, by crying-and has fallen back to sleep. The next night do the same; the crying will almost certainly last a shorter time…You may find that earplugs, the whir of the fan, or the hum of voices or music on the radio or TV can take the edge off the crying without blocking it out entirely. If you have an intercom from the baby's room, the magnified crying may be particularly grating. You can reduce that problem by turning it off when the crying starts. If baby is truly hysterical, you may hear him anyway. If you can't hear him at all, set a minute timer for twenty minutes. When the buzzer rings, turn the intercom back on to see if he's still at it. Repeat this every twenty minutes until the crying stops."

UmKhalid
03-04-08, 03:23 PM
Doesn't the hadeeth about separating their rooms talk about siblings? That at ten, boys and girls are to sleep in separate rooms?

Anyway, I'm against the idea of babies sleeping in a separate room. Maybe as Fengy would do, I'd put the baby in a crib by the bed. I wouldn't want to roll over it in my sleep!

nezitiC
03-04-08, 03:25 PM
"When I have kids in the future, I will keep them in the backyard, not just to learn how to be independent but also wild"

+Salam

Thalia
03-04-08, 03:44 PM
Didn't you read what the standard American baby handbook says, What to Expect the First Year (Eisenberg) advises:
icetea, the book is probably advising on how to get a baby to quieten down at night.

If you run to your child everytime he opens his mouth he will use his mouth to get what he wants everytime.

Sometimes you have to let a baby scream. Oh my god how heartless. :rolleyes:
It's called tough love. You need to do it to establish a routine in the early months, and this is beneficial for all the family because a tired mother cannot cope with the rest of her family and children during the day unless she gets enough rest.

Let me ask you something.. how many nights have YOU spent awake with your babies and then gone to work the next morning?

Letting a baby cry when there is the need to, is not neglect. It is an intelligent adult not giving in to the only 'arm twisting' tool a little baby has. If you run to their cot everytime they go 'ah', they will soon be using that 'ah' to get what they want. And sometimes, a parent can't spend all night playing and singing nursery rhymes to their infant. Especially when they have a long day ahead of them tomorrow.

Also, I think the part you quote (which you have no source for) talks about how to cope with a baby that is crying for nothing.

I'd like to see how you'd deal with a 2 year old who is kicking and screaming and rolling on the floor of a supermarket because he wanted 2 chocolates, not one.

IceTea
03-04-08, 03:49 PM
Thalia, babies don't cry for nothing, normally for 3 reasons:

1. hungry.
2. needs his thing to be changed.
3. sick or stomach upset due to build up of gases.

In all cases you need to attend the baby, otherwise he will keep crying.

Thalia
03-04-08, 04:08 PM
Thalia, babies don't cry for nothing, normally for 3 reasons:

1. hungry.
2. needs his thing to be changed.
3. sick or stomach upset due to build up of gases.

In all cases you need to attend the baby, otherwise he will keep crying.
Are you giving ME parenting lessons?

Sometimes babies cry simply for attention, to play. Or because they can't sleep and don't want to be left alone.


They also cry because they can't get their way every single time.

I believe the book is about the first YEAR. Not the first WEEK. Or MONTH.

UmKhalid
03-04-08, 04:12 PM
I watch Super Nanny. Children are so manipulative it makes you shiver.

Thalia
03-04-08, 04:19 PM
I watch Super Nanny. Children are so manipulative it makes you shiver.
There you go. A good mum in the making. :D

squinty
03-04-08, 04:21 PM
Thalia, babies don't cry for nothing, normally for 3 reasons:

1. hungry.
2. needs his thing to be changed.
3. sick or stomach upset due to build up of gases.

In all cases you need to attend the baby, otherwise he will keep crying.

If I heard something correctly (from my mom once...)
Mothers KNOW when their babies are hungry!

IceTea
03-04-08, 04:25 PM
Yes, the nature of the cry is different I guess.

Thalia, you are right they also cry because they don't want to be left alone, so keeping them in a separate room is not going to work.

marianna
03-04-08, 04:35 PM
My daughter slept with me until she was almost five but mine was due to living with my parents until we were able to move out on our own. Even small children can be manipulative with their cries. You just have to distinguish what they want. As long as you know they are safe, not sick, and if small has no dirty diaper and you have had quality time with them I don't see any reason to let them have a good cry once in a while....giving in 200% of the time to their attention will only make these kids think they can have anything they want want 24/7.

Now that my daughter is going to be 20 and is a lady I feel I did an excellent job in raising her and being a mother.

Jeff
03-04-08, 05:24 PM
Ice Tea is right that there IS a movement among "child care professionals" to encourage mothers to put their babies in separate rooms to cry and leave them there.

But this is a modern psychological thing, not some kind of American tradition. Plenty of mothers keep the baby in bed with them or in a crib in the same room. Others keep the baby in its own room, but go and get the baby if it cries.

Every baby is different. Many babies like to spend a little time by themselves, playing with toys and looking at their environment and practicing using their hands and feet and moving their heads, etc.

SOME babies tend to be clingy and want to take ALL the mother's time. That can make it very difficult for mothers who have to do other things, even simple things for the baby. Every time you put the baby down for a minute, the baby cries.

So for these babies, you can TRY letting the baby get used to being on its own, maybe taking naps alone. The baby is likely to cry when you do this.

But it's like everything else in child rearing. Each child is different. For one child, what's needed is extra sweetness and cuddling. For another child, that may be the wrong thing. They may need to come to understand that being alone for a little while is not threatening.

But the basic rule is: Love and comfort. It's only if that seems to be causing unique problems with YOUR child that you could consider something else.

This is the American way too.

Many American Indian tribes had a "toughening regime" for their babies. They used to do what some Middle Easterners did and "swaddle" their babies...wrap them up tightly in a sort of cocoon of cloth so that the couldn't move their arms and legs and can. They put the baby/ swaddling bundle on a board with a shade and this was called a "papoose".

Everybody including mothers had THINGS TO DO. So babies needed to be carried everywhere, but they needed to be protected from danger and kept from interfering.

What if the baby cried? Well, babies crying can be dangerous if your enemies are near. So what do you do? Teach the baby not to cry very early. When the baby cries, you cover its mouth and pinch its nose closed so it can't breathe.

Then you release it. The baby cries again! You cover its mouth...hold..release...
After some days or weeks, the baby learns not to cry.

Doesn't sound very nice! :( But you can understand why they did it.

http://www.old-picture.com/indians/pictures/Papoose.jpg
Apache papoose

minerva
03-04-08, 06:08 PM
are you stupid or what?
my brother is having his first baby next month and the midwife already told them that it's beneficial to have the baby in the middle. for breastfeeding etc.
breastfeeding his hugely advocated over here and in other european countries.

don't know where you get the images in your head from.

do you have to have a hadeeth/sura/ whatever it's called to tell you your baby needs 'kangaroo' care? well over here, in the wild unruly west, it's normal.

a nursery is necessary because during the day, if the baby needs quiet time sleeping, the mother can put the baby in the cot and there won't be any risk of the baby rolling out or suffocating.

i had both my kids sleeping next to me, beds next to each other. and breastfed both of them.

Lym
03-04-08, 06:28 PM
Definitely in a separate room when they reach 3 months or so - or when I start working again. I don't want them to get used to sleeping with us and always have us around. I will only be exhausting myself more if I teach them to rely on me for everything they need (whether it's something serious or not). Yes, I want them to be independent since they're young but I will also teach them that I am around when they seriously need me.

And yes, I plan to breastfeed my kids for as long as I can (up to two years) and if I can't do it naturally, then I will try to pump breast milk because I think it is the best kind for my child.

marianna
03-04-08, 07:47 PM
I never breast fed. Was in the army and back then I never heard of the pumps. Mine was weaned at a year. I did the sippy cup and when I saw her using it I would clap my hands and say: "Oh what a big girl you are!" and she would smile. She cried for her bottle I would say for an hour or so but after that fine.

Arabian Princess
03-04-08, 08:18 PM
When my mom was pregnant with me, she was in UK .. and this research started then. She was told that its better to keep the baby in a sepatate room. She followed thier advice and the room she had was a room she would be scared to be in alone loool .. I told her no wounder I am emotionaly deprived :p
I dont think it affected me though.

I wouldnt do it, I want my baby very close to me .. I think its very important to creat a bond between the parents and the kid.

Jeff
03-04-08, 08:19 PM
Some crazy people take the placenta home and eat it now! Yuck!

marianna
03-04-08, 08:22 PM
That is totally gross I have seen what the placenta looks like...kind of like liver. UGH

minerva
03-04-08, 08:22 PM
Some crazy people take the placenta home and eat it now! Yuck!
tastes like liver.

hijabi
03-04-08, 09:42 PM
My babies slept in my bed since the day they were born. I think its unnatural to make them sleep alone. For centuries women have always kept their babies near them it was only in the late 1940;s( I think will have to check) that the idea came up that children should be seen and not heard and that is when mothers were first told to put their children in rooms all alone to cry it out. Its also around this time that Cot Death (SIDS) came into being where babies under 18months die in their sleep - alone in their cots. No child who sleeps in a parents bed has ever died of cot death.

How cruel! Babies are not meant to be independant - theyre babies theyre meant to be wholly dependant on us and we want to shove em off to the nxt room?

marianna
03-04-08, 09:47 PM
I know there are women who keep the crib in the same room as them for about three months and then after that to the nursery.

Shai
03-04-08, 10:02 PM
I never thought about this... I think I was left on my own...