I have this question which is definitely have been explained in other threads within other topics, but I need to have a clear explanation of it.

** What is the different between The Old Testament and The New Testament ?

** Which is called the Bible ? or Is it compound of both ?

old testament = before jesus came. from genesis to the book of zachariah.

new testament = from the story of john the baptist till after the death of jesus. (acts of the apostles, letters of paul, revelations etc)

bible = old testament + new testament.

new testament = from the story of john the baptist till after the death of jesus. (acts of the apostles, letters of paul, revelations etc)



I understood this part, cause it kinda makes logic to me

So, it is all Jesus words ?




old testament = before jesus came. from genesis to the book of zachariah.


How can a part of the bible be written before Jesus ? Who’s word is it ?

I understood this part, cause it kinda makes logic to me

So, it is all Jesus words ?





How can a part of the bible be written before Jesus ? Who’s word is it ?
because the old testament was all a passage and prophecy leading to the arrival of Jesus.

Storm, the Bible is the the collection of books from the time of Moses until few years after the death of Jesus.
It consists of the Old Testament: From the Books of Moses (The Torah) until the book of prophet Zakariya, The father of John the baptist (known as Yahiya in Islam). It is not Jesus' words.
The New Testament on the other hand consists of the Gospels (Known as the Injeel in Islam) which contain the words of Jesus, it is generally about the story of Jesus and the events before his death, some books mention stories of his birth and events happened with him at a young age.
Then come the letters, revelations, etc. They are not the words of Jesus. They are the words of his disciples (al Hawariyoon in Islam) and some them if not all are inspired by The Holy Spirit, since its long time ago after Jesus's Death.
That sums it all if I'm not mistaken!

Storm, the Bible is the the collection of books from the time of Moses until few years after the death of Jesus.
It consists of the Old Testament: From the Books of Moses (The Torah) until the book of prophet Zakariya, The father of John the baptist (known as Yahiya in Islam). It is not Jesus' words.
The New Testament on the other hand consists of the Gospels (Known as the Injeel in Islam) which contain the words of Jesus, it is generally about the story of Jesus and the events before his death, some books mention stories of his birth and events happened with him at a young age.
Then come the letters, revelations, etc. They are not the words of Jesus. They are the words of his disciples (al Hawariyoon in Islam) and some them if not all are inspired by The Holy Spirit, since its long time ago after Jesus's Death.
That sums it all if I'm not mistaken!
bravu braiki!
all the books in the old testament lead up to the arrival of Jesus, then the gospels describe his life and teachings, and from the acts of the apostles onwards, is how the disciples followed the word of Jesus to go and teach everybody. more or less, that's how it is. you explained it much better though.

bravu braiki!
all the books in the old testament lead up to the arrival of Jesus, then the gospels describe his life and teachings, and from the acts of the apostles onwards, is how the disciples followed the word of Jesus to go and teach everybody. more or less, that's how it is. you explained it much better though.

it is exactly what you said, I just used islamic names :p

I would say that Braiki did it virtually perfectly! I am always so impressed with him. When I know Islam as well as he knows Christianity, I'll give myself a prize! :)

I would only have three additional footnotes.

1. All Scripture is inspired by God. That means that the whole Bible is inspired by God.

2. I think when Storm says, "Who's word is it?" she is thinking like a Muslim, which is fine, but different.

Storm, I think you are looking for the Bible to be the words of a prophet, or God's words through a prophet.

And we have Prophetic Books in the Bible that sound something like the Quran, where a prophet is being given God's words and told to report them.

But the Bible has histories and songs to God and stories letters that have human authors as well.

But we believe that God inspired the human authors to write what He wanted them to write, even when they wrote histories or letters, etc. So they are God's word but the word of a human author, also.

3. Another useful way to look at the Old and New Testaments is this. The Old Testament is the Jewish Bible. The New Testament is what Christianity added.

Sometimes I think it would be a great thing for the people here who are interested in comparative religion to take a piece of the Quran and read it together slowly, looking at the words and trying to get all the juice out of them. Maybe one of the shorter suras, or something.

And then a portion of one of the Gospels or an Epistle of St. Paul or a Psalm or something and do the same.

Not in the spirit of argument, but in the spirit of reading the book the way Muslims do or the way Christians do and seeing how they experience it.

Sometimes when there is a discussion and somebody cites one ayat, I go and look to see what comes before and after. And it makes a big difference to read a whole passage continuously and try to see what it might mean all together instead of just one verse at a time. It seems to me to help so much in comprehension.

And there would be the chance to point out what we find particularly beautiful, or what we read somewhere about a certain passage or how something has connected with our lives.

I don't know if it's possible to do on Sabla, but I think a joint Muslim/Christian Quran/Bible reading group would be a lot of fun.

I have one straight-forward question, a Yes and No actually, but feel free to answer as you wish:

What do the Christians follow and consider holy? The new testament or the old testament? Or do they follow both, meaning the Bible?

We believe that the Old Testament was a partial revelation and that the New Testament fulfills it. The short answer is that the New Testament frees us from all the ritual and social laws of the Old. But we must still follow the moral law, which is the same in both testaments. That wasn't a "regulation", but a principle of nature, even of God's nature.

So: the day of the Law of Moses--all the regulations--is finished. But we follow the eternal Moral Law, and even make it tougher: "Be ye perfect."

So, for example, we believe that Old Testament Laws such as ritual laws for sacrificing animals in the Temple or specific laws for the Jews about punishing crimes or laws about what you can and cannot eat were primarily meant to prepare the way for the perfect revelation in Christ.

Let me give you an example.

In the Old Testament, God permits Moses to allow divorce under some circumstances. Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount says that any man who divorces his wife causes her to become an adulteress.

The apostles say, "Why did God allow the certificate of divorce?"

Jesus says, "Because of your hardness of heart. But it wasn't that way in the beginning."

Jesus' attitude toward stoning adulteresses might seem easier not tougher. But it really makes things much TOUGHER for those affected by adultery...we have to love, forgive, and stay married! :p

There's plenty more to say, but if I write more, I'm afraid it will be too long! :p

Is the Bible the true word of God?

Another direct Q.

I believed Jeff answered this throughly...why keep beating a dead horse?

Is the Bible the true word of God?

Another direct Q.

Is this enough answer Ice Tea ?




3. Another useful way to look at the Old and New Testaments is this. The Old Testament is the Jewish Bible. The New Testament is what Christianity added.




bible = old testament + new testament.

Storm, that doesn't answer the question.

Posts that are not related to the topic have been / will be deleted :bored:

Storm, so now we can't comment on the posts?

^^^ Sure you can Icy, within the thread topic :) You are more than welcome.

Is the Bible the true word of God?

Another direct Q.

Which part?

Which part?


What do you mean by which partof Bible is the ture word of God ?

Could it be The Old Testament as I understood !

Which part is not the true word of God?

Which part is not the true word of God?

God is the primary author of the Bible. That's why we call the Bible "the word of God".

What was set down there was set down under his inspiration and the human authors wrote in cooperation with Him and only what He wished them to write.

I'm not sure if this answers your question. Perhaps a simpler answer would be:

"There is no part which is not the true word of God."

or maybe

"The Bible as a whole is the word of God."

In the ultimate and fundamental sense, though, the Word of God, refers to the Second Person of the Holy Trinity.

But if we want this to be an arguing thread, maybe we should start another one! Stormy seems to want to stick to the topic as an informational one, and its her thread...

All these bible discussions which Jeff and others have discussed in the bzillion threads seem fruitless...going in circles. Ice Tea why don't you contact a priest or head to Rome and see what those people have to say. Obviously what the members here are telling you seem to go one ear out the other. Best wishes on your journey. :)

What do you mean by which partof Bible is the ture word of God ?

Could it be The Old Testament as I understood !

I'm going to throw a spanner is the works now. Sorry guys..

What people call the Old Testament, is also referred to as the Tanakh, which is an acronym of Torah, Nevi'im and Ketuvim. I don't think Christians break up it up this way.

The Torah, or teachings was revealed to Moses and the people of Israel by God at Mt Sinai.

Nevi'im, or prophets are recordings of Gods words through various Prophets. They also contain history which are relevant to the prophecies.

Ketuvim, or writings some done by prophets, some of it by kings, but aren't considered the word of God.

the Bible is the the collection of books from the time of Moses until few years after the death of Jesus.
It consists of the Old Testament: From the Books of Moses (The Torah) until the book of prophet Zakariya, The father of John the baptist (known as Yahiya in Islam). It is not Jesus' words.


Very correct. Thank you.