Are you ready to sacrifice illegaly to save someone you love?

For example:

- Steal to help your sick mother/father...etc.
- Get raped to save your child/husband .. etc.
- Kill to save another one you love from death.


P.S: There are no other options with you but those illegal ones. Do you call such things a sacrifice? Are you with or against it ? Why ? What do you think of people who do it ?

yes it's a sacrifice, and yes i'd do it if it can save my beloved :love:

Love is endless sacrifice in my dictionary, so yes I will :love:

without question.

i remember getting into a few discussions over what the queen in the movie '300' has done in order to save her husband, which was sleeping with another man..almost every single guy said he'd rather die than be saved by his wife sleeping with another man.

i personally would do it in a heart beat if it was to save my loved ones, but apparently some loved ones wouldn't appreciate it. :os

i remember getting into a few discussions over what the queen in the movie '300' has done in order to save her husband, which was sleeping with another man..almost every single guy said he'd rather die than be saved by his wife sleeping with another man.

i personally would do it in a heart beat if it was to save my loved ones, but apparently some loved ones wouldn't appreciate it. :os

I fully agree with you as I did in that discussion ;). The men said that the Queen was a $lut for sleeping with the man who promised to save her husband. All men said that he would have rather be killed than see his wife sleep with another man. That logic does not sit well with me if I'm going to be a widow with God knows how many children to raise and support alone. If I can help keeping him alive, I would!

It's a sacrifice, isn't it?

I'm in!

I don't believe that everyone posted here is with it. When you steal something then you're a theif. When you kill someone then you are a murderer. And when you have sex with some behinde your husband's back this is cheating. And don't you also think this is selfish? You want to keep your love by denying others their love? Think about the person you kill ( for example ) and the ones who love him/her and vice versa. I don't think love should give us justifications to do illegal things and I don't think it goes in the sacrifice category.

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So your telling me if you HAD to steal to help someone you love you will say no and let them die?
You won't even WANT to help the people you love?
You will let them die?

I will do whatever it takes no matter how much it will haunt me for them!
But of course, since I am TOO nice and TOO kind then I will let them know... maybe...

I don't believe that everyone posted here is with it. When you steal something then you're a theif. When you kill someone then you are a murderer. And when you have sex with some behinde your husband's back this is cheating. And don't you also think this is selfish? You want to keep your love by denying others their love? Think about the person you kill ( for example ) and the ones who love him/her and vice versa. I don't think love should give us justifications to do illegal things and I don't think it goes in the sacrifice category.
if someone touches my kids yes i'll become a murderer. dont' care.

i remember getting into a few discussions over what the queen in the movie '300' has done in order to save her husband, which was sleeping with another man..almost every single guy said he'd rather die than be saved by his wife sleeping with another man.

i personally would do it in a heart beat if it was to save my loved ones, but apparently some loved ones wouldn't appreciate it. :os

As a Man, I rather get my heart pulled and killed in worse ways than finding my sister/wife/child/mother/....etc got raped or so.

You are wrong if you think you are doing a nobel thing by doing that,you letting your loved one die is better doing that and letting him die every moment in his life by remambering that.

For me,I would never think to kill,not even an animal but touching my family in any bad way is some thing I cant bare to live with and by defult killing becomes legal to me.

I would do anything to save my beloved :)
I do NOT expect my beloved to feel the same :)

Yes i will sacrifice my life for the one i love:)

See El Rey no one takes it as something wrong because the people you love can NOT be exchanged with anyone!
So if you do the WORST things in the world with a PURE intention like helping out or protecting someone then that is okay!

I don't think I will do these things ! I know it might sound weird, but I will try my best to help them without doing these mistakes.

And if there is NO other ways, then I will let those who I love that I did whatever I could to help them and have reach to a point that will make them lose their honor if I need to help them which I can't do !

I am sure that they will accept it, and NO man on earth with the meaning of NO MAN will accept me doing this for him to save him, and let him live without honor ( refering to the 300 case, and on general bases )

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So your telling me if you HAD to steal to help someone you love you will say no and let them die?
You won't even WANT to help the people you love?
You will let them die?

I will do whatever it takes no matter how much it will haunt me for them!
But of course, since I am TOO nice and TOO kind then I will let them know... maybe...

Don't let your emotions hurt other people squinty. You mean you are willing to make others sad to please yourself ? It's just selfish. Personally speaking, I won't hurt anyone else to save my love. I believe that sacrifice is just hurting yourself to save your love not others. For example: Your love did something wrong, she will be jailed or killed for that. You say that it's you who did it not her which means you take the punishment for something she did not you. This is sacrifice but it hurts no other people.

if someone touches my kids yes i'll become a murderer. dont' care.

I didn't mean to hurt the people who want to hurt you. What I meant is this example: Y wants Z dead. He kidnapped X. X is K's love. Y calls K and tells him that if he wants his girl ( X) alive then go and kills Z. To save X K should do something wrong. This is what i meant by illegal sacrifice.



As a Man, I rather get my heart pulled and killed in worse ways than finding my sister/wife/child/mother/....etc got raped or so.

You are wrong if you think you are doing a nobel thing by doing that,you letting your loved one die is better doing that and letting him die every moment in his life by remambering that.

For me,I would never think to kill,not even an animal but touching my family in any bad way is some thing I cant bare to live with and by defult killing becomes legal to me.

Very true, I believe every man prefers to die with dignity than live with shame as storm stated. So girls when you accept this, don't ever think that you're doing something noble. It's something shameful instead.

Yes i will sacrifice my life for the one i love:)

I meant to sacrifice others' life not yours.

Don't let your emotions hurt other people squinty. You mean you are willing to make others sad to please yourself ? It's just selfish. Personally speaking, I won't hurt anyone else to save my love. I believe that sacrifice is just hurting yourself to save your love not others. For example: Your love did something wrong, she will be jailed or killed for that. You say that it's you who did it not her which means you take the punishment for something she did not you. This is sacrifice but it hurts no other people.


You never said that the person we LOVE did the wrong thing...:mmhmm:
If they did something wrong I will try my best to protect them and why would they do something is bad that will lead them to jail anyway?

Your thread shows what we WILL do if someone we love was in a bad position...
like if someone wanted to rape them, they would die if i didn't steal the medicine or kill someone for their protection..

Don't change the topic and say what if THEY did something...:mmhmm:

aaaaaaaaargh *pulling my head's hair*

Read the thread again squinty, you missed the point :hmm:

Tough call...I really don't know if I'd have the courage to do that at all or I'd chicken out.

It all depends on how I'd react to the situation, it ain't always as simple as 'steal some cash to help cure my mother', I think situations are usually a lot more complex. But well, I was raised on one concept: Haram money is Haram money. And the end never justifies the means. Same goes for killing...Although if it was self-defense against someone I love, I guess I would react differently.

so basically you are asking 'are you willing to bend your religious beliefs to save somebody?'

Tough call...I really don't know if I'd have the courage to do that at all or I'd chicken out.

It all depends on how I'd react to the situation, it ain't always as simple as 'steal some cash to help cure my mother', I think situations are usually a lot more complex. But well, I was raised on one concept: Haram money is Haram money. And the end never justifies the means. Same goes for killing...Although if it was self-defense against someone I love, I guess I would react differently.

Exactly, this is what i think of it too. And minerva it's not about religious beliefs. It's bout are you willing to hurt innocent others to save your love? I see it selfish coz in this case you are making others feel sad just to please yourself.

minerva: Me? I'm just saying it will all depend on the situation itself...It's never very movie-like...

Exactly, this is what i think of it too. And minerva it's not about religious beliefs. It's bout are you willing to hurt innocent others to save your love? I see it selfish coz in this case you are making others feel sad just to please yourself.
you wait until you have your first son or daughter.
you'd do anything for them.

Am sure it's a difficult situation and very complex but is't a good excuse to do something wrong ?

Am sure it's a difficult situation and very complex but is't a good excuse to do something wrong ?
no it's not good. it's all wrong. a wrong does not right another wrong.
but....
when you love your children, you'd do all the wrongs in the world to help them when in need and save them if necessary.

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That is true...
The problem is people always THINK they are right but never been through the situation that is why they can't see what they are really saying or doing..

How could a girl trust someone who would threaten her to kill her child/husband if she does not accept to sleep with him? Him saying this just shows that he isn't trustworthy. That he could kill her child right after he's finished with her.

I don't think it's wrong to get raped.

I don't think it's wrong to defend your kid against someone who is attacking them.

Stealing? I'd be tempted to.

But I shouldn't...

I'm always afraid that if you do evil that good may come of it, in the end a worse evil will come of it.

I dont think I'd steal or "get raped" for my family. But I would kill - without a doubt. No hesitation

Are you ready to sacrifice illegaly to save someone you love?

For example:

- Kill to save another one you love from death.


A true life recent story:

Md. Boy, 12, Kills Man Attacking Mother
Officials Undecided On Filing Charges

By Avis Thomas-Lester and Hamil R. Harris
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, April 2, 2008; A01

The 12-year-old boy had finished his homework and was playing a video game when he heard his mother cry out. Rushing to her aid, he found her on the kitchen floor, straddled by a fellow resident of their Prince George's County boarding house, the man's hands wrapped tightly around her neck, the boy said yesterday.

"I kept saying, 'Stop! Stop! Stop!' " the boy said, describing the events of Monday night. "But he just ignored me. He didn't stop. He just kept hurting her."

The boy said he grabbed a knife and swung, slashing 64-year-old Salomon Noubissie across the neck and opening an artery. Noubissie was fatally wounded.

The mother, Cheryl Stamp, said she did not immediately understand what had happened. "What did you do?" she said she asked her son.

"He didn't say anything," she said. "But I knew when I looked in his eyes. I said, 'Oh, Lord.' "

Law enforcement officials were reviewing evidence yesterday and had not decided whether to file charges. Their preliminary account of the incident broadly matches that of the boy and his mother.

The case presents exceedingly unusual circumstances: Rarely is a 12-year-old implicated in a homicide, and even less often does a child that age take a life to protect his mother.

"In Maryland, there can be a legitimate defense of third parties in the event of a violent attack," State's Attorney Glenn F. Ivey said. "That is a possibility in this case."

Yesterday, Stamp and her son were secluded in the boarding house on Roosevelt Avenue in the Landover area, curtains closed and doors locked against reporters and neighbors.

Like other neighbors, Turan Queen said she stood by the child. "His reaction was to help his mother," she said. "This was a 12-year-old defending his mother."

Stamp and her son agreed to be interviewed by Washington Post reporters, in part to explain the boy's actions. The Post is not naming the boy because he is a minor.

Efforts to contact Noubissie's family were unsuccessful.

Stamp said she and Noubissie, a Cameroonian immigrant, moved into the boarding house within days of each other about three months ago. They became fast friends, she said.

Stamp said that she is unemployed and that Noubissie had told her he was studying to be a psychiatrist. She said the boarding house is owned by Noubissie's nephew, a Massachusetts resident.

On Monday night, she said, Noubissie was not himself. He started to yell at her and grab her hair, she said. He was speaking in his native French, as he often did, but this time in "a devilish voice," she said. "He was talking crazy," Stamp said.

She said she tried to use "reverse psychology," ordering him to leave the kitchen and go to his room to calm down. His response was violent, she said.

"He threw me into the door so hard it hit my back, and it made my chest start hurting," she said. "Then he threw me to the floor. He threw me down and started choking me. I think that's when my son came in. . . . He protected me."

The boy, who is 5 feet 6 inches tall and weighs 175 pounds, said he acted because he thought he had no choice. "He was hitting her with the broom; then he was choking her," the boy said. "I told him to stop."

He grabbed a knife that he said his family had last used to cut turkey at Thanksgiving dinner.

"I knew I had to kill him so he would stop hurting my mother," he said.

Once she was freed, Stamp said she yelled upstairs for someone to call police. She said her son took her by the arm and led her into their bedroom.

Nearby, Noubissie was flailing and yelling, Stamp and her son said. As the door closed, she noticed the blood coming from his neck. "I didn't know where all that blood was coming from," she said. "He was talking in that language -- loud."

Stamp said she did not realize for several moments that her son, and not she, had been responsible for inflicting the injury that caused Noubissie to release her.

In the bedroom, as they waited for police, the boy did not speak, Stamp said. She sat on a couch, looked down and saw the bloody knife, she said.

Noubissie was alive when police arrived, Stamp said. He was combative with the officers, she said, even as he bled heavily. He died at a hospital. Police sources confirmed her account.

Stamp, who has two adult children and a 17-year-old daughter who lives with the girl's father, said the tragedy was the second to befall her family. She supports herself and her son from "widow's benefits" she has received since her husband fatally shot himself more than 20 years ago. Her eldest son, 27, witnessed the suicide, she said. "I've had enough drama in my life," she said.

The 12-year-old boy said yesterday that he was not happy about what he had done but that he knew that it was the right thing.

"I just asked God again to protect me and my mother," he said. "I told God that I had stabbed him because he was killing my mother. I know he understands, and I think he will keep us safe now."

After the stabbing Monday night, after police had left and neighbors returned to their homes, the two sat and held each other. There was no sleep that night for either.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/01/AR2008040101090_pf.html

Now I will always help the people I love! :D

Very interesting story Jeff, but that was a defensive killing which I believe everyone should do to protect his mother. But I meant to kill people who have nothing to do with your case. They just became involved coz someone threatened to kill the one you love if you didn't kill them. Which makes them innocent.

Are you ready to sacrifice illegaly to save someone you love?

For example:

- Steal to help your sick mother/father...etc.
- Get raped to save your child/husband .. etc.
- Kill to save another one you love from death.


P.S: There are no other options with you but those illegal ones. Do you call such things a sacrifice? Are you with or against it ? Why ? What do you think of people who do it ?

Very interesting story Jeff, but that was a defensive killing which I believe everyone should do to protect his mother. But I meant to kill people who have nothing to do with your case. They just became involved coz someone threatened to kill the one you love if you didn't kill them. Which makes them innocent.
Tell me EXACTLY where is that written from the 1st post, please? :rolleyes:

You just mentioned if we will do something for our loved ones WITHOUT complicating things...

I also said:

Don't let your emotions hurt other people squinty. You mean you are willing to make others sad to please yourself ? It's just selfish. Personally speaking, I won't hurt anyone else to save my love. I believe that sacrifice is just hurting yourself to save your love not others. For example: Your love did something wrong, she will be jailed or killed for that. You say that it's you who did it not her which means you take the punishment for something she did not you. This is sacrifice but it hurts no other people.



I didn't mean to hurt the people who want to hurt you. What I meant is this example: Y wants Z dead. He kidnapped X. X is K's love. Y calls K and tells him that if he wants his girl ( X) alive then go and kills Z. To save X K should do something wrong. This is what i meant by illegal sacrifice.
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:rolleyes:

Then PLEASE put it in the 1st post to not let any more confusions please! :XD: