When they are arbitrarily/routinely ignored and not inforced

Rule#6: Disturbing members: If after consultation, the administration and the majority of moderators strongly agree that a member has joined the English Sabla with the only intention to annoy the other members, or to continually disturb the spirit of threads, then the Sabla Team has all the right to issue him/her a warning via pm.

If after 3 warnings that member's behavior has not changed, he or she will be banned with immediate effect. If a contact e-mail is available, the Administration will inform that member about the ban.


Rule#12:Unsuitable Image or Text: Unethical posts or images, nudity or semi-nudity are not allowed no matter their sources. If a member posts any text or image, which are judged unacceptable, the Administration and moderators have the right to remove them immediately. On the first attempt such member will be notified, but if he/she does it again, a warning will be issued. If persistent, such member will get a ban.

Rule#16: Religion: The Sabla will not tolerate any disrespect towards Islam and any other religions, nor will it allow any insult towards God or his prophets. The Administration and the moderators have the right to edit or remove any disrespectful post. On the first attempt, a member will get a warning, but if persistent, he or she will get a ban.

i think nudity/semi nudity needs to be defined.
what's semi nudity over here might not be the same elsewhere.

i think nudity/semi nudity needs to be defined.
what's semi nudity over here might not be the same elsewhere.Yes that's a tuff one. I do know the difference when I see it :hyper:

Yes that's a tuff one. I do know the difference when I see it :hyper:
ok so did i break the rules by posting wonder woman for you in your 6000 posts thread?

What is most noticable lately is that a very small handful of members, which I can count on half my right hand, continue to post in threads merely to personally attack a member or members, often with posts that have nothing to do with the topic or subject.

It is blatantly obvious, childish and it ruins the spirit and discussion of a thread. Instead of creating a hot discussion - it kills it .. because it's often a lame remark.

What is most noticable lately is that a very small handful of members, which I can count on half my right hand, continue to post in threads merely to personally attack a member or members, often with posts that have nothing to do with the topic or subject.

It is blatantly obvious, childish and it ruins the spirit and discussion of a thread. Instead of creating a hot discussion - it kills it .. because it's often a lame remark.
or passing comments about other people in 'congratulatory' threads :)

Jack, those rules are enforced, don't worry, report them

We have a number of members with the main aim of ridiculing Islam & Arabs, one of them was even banned but rejoined with a different nick, we left it because we also give second chances

I agree that some do the same with members of the different faith, but they think that it is just a retaliation, though I know it's not right

Otherwise, members like MoonShine (Giggles, Monty et al are banned on the spot)

So.. how many times does one have to report a member for repeatedly personally attacking a member before some action is taken?


At least it would be nice to see members actually taking part in the discussion while they are at it. :)

I think religion section and all topics leading to religious debates should be banned.
Its an international forum.. and I don't think people come here to learn about other religions.. they are here to have fun!
people wanting to know about a religion>> am sure will find better places on the net for they're looking for.

I think religion section and all topics leading to religious debates should be banned.
Its an international forum.. and I don't think people come here to learn about other religions.. they are here to have fun!
people wanting to know about a religion>> am sure will find better places on the net for they're looking for.
it happens even in 'trivia' threads. :hmm:

Jack, those rules are enforced, don't worry, report them

We have a number of members with the main aim of ridiculing Islam & Arabs, one of them was even banned but rejoined with a different nick, we left it because we also give second chances

I agree that some do the same with members of the different faith, but they think that it is just a retaliation, though I know it's not right

Otherwise, members like MoonShine (Giggles, Monty et al are banned on the spot)

Should also apply to ridiculing Christianty...afterall quite a few Christians come to this forum to learn and when we read stuff that mocks our faiths trust me...pisses us off and for others they will have these notions that a bunch of bigots run this place and it shouldn't be this way.

Should also apply to ridiculing Christianty...afterall quite a few Christians come to this forum to learn and when we read stuff that mocks our faiths trust me...pisses us off and for others they will have these notions that a bunch of bigots run this place and it shouldn't be this way.

Rule 16 does apply to Christainity.

Rule#16: Religion: The Sabla will not tolerate any disrespect towards Islam and any other religions, nor will it allow any insult towards God or his prophets. The Administration and the moderators have the right to edit or remove any disrespectful post. On the first attempt, a member will get a warning, but if persistent, he or she will get a ban.

ok so did i break the rules by posting wonder woman for you in your 6000 posts thread?And don't be posting any naked ankles ... :hyper:

it happens even in 'trivia' threads. :hmm:

i don't know what you are talking about!!
But here should come the role of moderators.. thats what they are here for, i think!

Ok guys, enjoy discussing

Thug4Life shall take care of the issue as he is the most senior active member of the team

Its not just about wudjab, is it?!
I think its preposterous to allow people make fun of atleast any of the Abrahamic religions!

And guys.. please avoid mixing between religion and politics!!

No, I think its preposterous to allow making fun of ANY religion.

Stop acting Ghandi :)

Stop acting Ghandi :)
But he's right, no?

There should be no distinction. Respect all religions, or respect none.

There is ALOT of disrespect that goes on in the "other religions sabla" .. to a level that I could not even imagine the tables being turned. And the irony is it is usually the same handful of people who demand threads criticising Islam to be locked.

It's extra work for the mods and many times results in a thread opened by a non-muslim to become hijacked and shut down.

It's true that sometimes we can all get carried away in the heat of an argument, but some threads are simply there to ridicule, or personally insult a or a few members.

And those who should be preventing this from happening should be the first who refrain from doing it. :hmm:

But he's right, no?

There should be no distinction. Respect all religions, or respect none.

There is ALOT of disrespect that goes on in the "other religions sabla" .. to a level that I could not even imagine the tables being turned. And the irony is it is usually the same handful of people who demand threads criticising Islam to be locked.

It's extra work for the mods and many times results in a thread opened by a non-muslim to become hijacked and shut down.

It's true that sometimes we can all get carried away in the heat of an argument, but some threads are simply there to ridicule, or personally insult a or a few members.

And those who should be preventing this from happening should be the first who refrain from doing it. :hmm:

I agree with you..
Abrahamic religions; include all the Islam, Christianity and Judism!
And thats the minimal to ask for; respecting these main religions, at least!!

I think its preposterous to allow people make fun of atleast any of the Abrahamic religions!

But you wudjab :) He wanted to act like he cares about that :)

I agree with you..
Abrahamic religions; include all the Islam, Christianity and Judism!
And thats the minimal to ask for; respecting these main religions, at least!!



But you wudjab :) He wanted to act like he cares about that :)
He does. I know he does. What he doesn't care for are double standards. What he doesn't care for is the way how for some members, Islam must be respected at all costs but other-religion bashing is ok.

One can criticise with tact. "Was Jesus a drunk" is not criticism or a thread asking for knowledge. "Jesus was black" is highly racist as a thread and offensive considering that to a christian, you are talking about God here.

And the list goes on and on and on.

I don't bother as much as I used to anymore with the religion and politics sabla. It's becomes one huge stupid bickering fight. It gets tiring and it gets repetitive.
bleh.

Ditto on everything Thalia just said. Sometimes I HAVE to say something but has gotten to the point where there is def. Christian bashing going on. I always try my best to remain objective and not get into the middle but when I see my faith being mocked I have to step in and overall I like this forum, why I stay but like Thalia I am beginning to disregard the religion thread and starting to on the politics. Just too ugly and one-sided.

Then I still think getting religious debates banned is the solution.
Because for example, when you say Jesus is God, and i know its your belief.. non-christians might argue it.. taking it to a different path.. and then come those who want to make fun.. then others will come to fight back...etc.

So Ban !!
thats it.

I see both muslims and non muslims breaking the rules, so if we decided to 'forgive' a Muslim member for an minor break in rules, then we do the exact same thing for a non Muslim member when he/she does something similar.

What the members view as a 'break in a specific' rule, the team might not see it the same way, there are levels, if it's severe then yes a warning is issued on the spot, if not then the team discuss it and decide whether a warning or notice is necessary, that doesn't mean that all members of the team think that it's not notice/warning worthy, but the decision is based on what the 'majority' of the team think.

I personally despise any hate towards any religion, people should keep that to themselves instead of displaying it everywhere and parading all over the place just to show that he/she has something against a specific culture or religion. Heck some members even display it in their avatars and signatures (whether it's direct or non direct) and I personally find that attitude completely childish and immature.

Discuss with maturity, stop being overly sensitive towards 'opinions' and just have fun being here, this is a discussion board, not a war zone.

Have you considered having a non-muslim mod in the religion sabla, particularily in the "other religions" section?

I'm not offering. I'm just wondering and making a suggestion.

I have thought about it alot, and I believe I even made suggestions but as I said, it's a team decision and I am just one person.

Then I still think getting religious debates banned is the solution.
Because for example, when you say Jesus is God, and i know its your belief.. non-christians might argue it.. taking it to a different path.. and then come those who want to make fun.. then others will come to fight back...etc.

So Ban !!
thats it.

so we ban all religion related discussions because a few members are being immature? :hmm:

Originally Posted by marianna
Ditto on everything Thalia just said. Sometimes I HAVE to say something but has gotten to the point where there is def. Christian bashing going on. I always try my best to remain objective and not get into the middle but when I see my faith being mocked I have to step in and overall I like this forum, why I stay but like Thalia I am beginning to disregard the religion thread and starting to on the politics. Just too ugly and one-sided.

unfortunately the mockery of religions that get reported are often from both sides..and honestly, what would you do when you get a report from a member complaining about someone mocking Christianity and right under it there is a report of someone mocking Islam?

as nabs said, if we forgive a Muslim for a minor break in rules then we do the same with non Muslims, otherwise notices and warnings are given.
and yes, all decisions are based on what the majority of the team thinks.

I don't like mocking of any religion just to make it clear but as a Christian I have to reply back when someone is jeering my belief system. How can I just sit back and not??? So the best solution at least for me is to refrain from reading some of the misguided and sometimes brutally ignorant postings regarding my faith.

The only catch to what was said above is that Most of the Mods are Muslims BUT we do have at times and even now Non muslim member!?>?
The descions made most of the times based on (TEAM) verdict not a single member one........hence....Non muslims do contribute even by minority to the voice...
same time THEY do help us in to view and understand what we cant understand or see or feel from the hidden facts when it comes to other cultures/religion/group point of view 0r sensitive matters>...

telling A and B groups that they are BAD might NOT be perceived by them the same way.....to A its a minor word.....to B its a Big word! and HERE Sensitivity and being sometimes a KID makes the issue even MORE complex!

we try to be open minded and Try our best to put our selves in the shoes of both groups and it isnt an easy task believe me!

The other thing is towards the members...
When they complain THey think that its just 1 complain or 2...
BUT the issue is not that simple.......we do consider the accumilative complains in hand that group A and group B issued against each others......
so Past events might at times play a role in the final verdict...

Another factor....what I usually Masked Victimized members!!!
those are tough ones........
they insult...they swear in a hidden way...or tigger indirectly an insult....then they play innocent...THEY know how to play with the rules!! (the devils I must say!! :D:D).....unfourtionatly many are dragged to their pit hole!!! and they reply by insult/swear...openly......hence BINGO!!A Mistake is Never corrected By a Mistake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if we do try and read other members inner feelings and motives....believe me MANY here would get banned very fast....

many other points...that I might bring up at time...
BUT for NOW

remember This:
SABLA is NOT a COUNTRY....
I might not be around much nowdays............might not attend your complains and requests as how I used to in the past....BUT i do trust that my team are doing their best NOT to be biased...and to (play) according to the rules!

Thanks for taking the time to address this. Means allot. I hope people can try to remain open minded and tactful. I always find I wish to learn new things from a variety of formats, real life or through the 'net. It helps to broaden our perspectives as to how others live.

marianna u r Lucky that am Now married LOL

P.S: Nicobambi is not a muslim.

Nico is neither muslim not christian or jew. Although he is unbiased, and fair, something I am sure of.. what the religion sablas need are people who actively take part and understand the sensitivities of all sides, or their side at least.. It will be a mixture of people, ideally, a muslim, a christian and a jew, because after all it IS a section about RELIGION!

I can't imagine how difficult it is for the current mods to sift through all those posts, often written in jeer or anger and have to decide which to remove and which to leave. You'll never have a situation that makes everyone happy. But at least you'll have a situation that is better balanced.

I'm sure there will be a hell of a lot more reports against the non-muslims for a few reasons being that we deal with things differently, we shrug and let things slip more often preferring to ignore or answer on thread than report, plus.. the non-muslims are smaller in number and of an older age-group than the average muslim sabla member and that's why the reaction is often different.

For example, I was just asked when MY God was born. Why? Is someone in here oblivious to Christmas day? Or was El Ray just taking the piss.. out of God?

It isn't exactly rocket science, is it?

^ But was El Rey's question offensive? He was asking when was Jesus born

^ But was El Rey's question offensive? He was asking when was Jesus born
No he was not.

He was asking when my God was born. :)

He was mocking my faith and trying to get me to say that God has a birth.. as in God was not around before time. Come on PIB..I like you and I'm not trying to insult your intelligence here.. don't insult mine.

If he really didn't know when Christmas day was, he needs to make a new friend.

www.google.com

Am not trying to insult anyone believe me.

I just didn't find the question being said in a mocking way because it's something I would ask as well. However, it may be sensitive to you, as it is being asked about your relegion, just like something that you would see as not mocking may be precieved so with muslims. Both sides I suppose need to word questions carefully in order to show no hostility, but yeah there are some members out there with genuine hostility.

Personally, am not very proud of the what has been happening over the past few weeks in Sabla, it's even kinda putting me off this place. Tired of all the negativity.

Am not trying to insult anyone believe me.

I just didn't find the question being said in a mocking way because it's something I would ask as well. However, it may be sensitive to you, as it is being asked about your relegion, just like something that you would see as not mocking may be precieved so with muslims. Both sides I suppose need to word questions carefully in order to show no hostility, but yeah there are some members out there with genuine hostility.

Personally, am not very proud of the what has been happening over the past few weeks in Sabla, it's even kinda putting me off this place. Tired of all the negativity.
Ditto. That is why there is a need for a balanced mod-ship in those fora.

so we ban all religion related discussions because a few members are being immature? :hmm:



.

Basically : Ya..
Don't mind celebrations.. within-religion discussions ( e.g. muslims discussing what they do in Eid.. Christians talking about easter..etc)
but I don't think Religious debates should be allowed here.
And to be honest, most of the people writting in religious threads desplay immaturity.

the fact is any one here is qualified to Talk about religion in a profasional way???????

professional way?


And what about members who go out of their way to kill the spirit of a thread and personally insult other members while they're at it?


Here is one off the top off my head right now...
http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1049801#post1049801

professional way?


And what about members who go out of their way to kill the spirit of a thread and personally insult other members while they're at it?


Here is one off the top off my head right now...
http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1049801#post1049801
was reading that.

Why is my name on this thread ?!

Why is my name on this thread ?!
Because you're a celebrity :D

Either that or cos you're the only non-muslim mod. I think. :p

Why is my name on this thread ?!
cos you are not a muslim.

lostra thalia qisna ftehmna (wow looks like we had agreed before)
yeah nico balances out the mod team, he's french and not muslim.

My view: a Pop/priest/Sheikh is better off debating religious topics than any of us..

Nicolas: u r our fry :D

debating is one thing. being nasty, in every single thread, no matter what the nature of the thread is (humour, congratulatory, or discussion) towards a certain group of people shows personal shallowness. one might not agree with others on some issues, but they don't have to show the lowest of traits in other 'normal' threads.

and here comes the rules....U report...we discuss....we decide :D
(do U like passion fruit Minerva?) ;)

and here comes the rules....U report...we discuss....we decide :D
(do U like passion fruit Minerva?) ;)
i'll have to consult my bible and tell you if i like passion fruit or not. hold on.... :hyper:

Agreed with Minerva two postings up, two things I am always told to never talk about at work or when initially meeting someone is politics or religion. People have strong views on both (even if some think they do not). The main issue is having respect when discussing a religious topic. I would think some will take offense when asked the date God was born when it is taken into the whole context of Christianity being mocked by certain individuals. For some who don't participate in such drival they may see this as an innocent question because they are not part of the collective group who posts threads questioning the authenticity of the bible or of the Chrisitan faith.

However, when certain members put Christianity under a microscope and are not objective about their questions it creates hostility, hurt, or other negative feelings.

I have been exposed to Islam and Christianity on personal levels in my own life. I go by my own experiences and from what I read. I try not to offend and maybe I come off that way to some but honestly I always try to look at the bigger picture. However, my personal feelings will at times get mingled with the religious or political rhetoric when certain members group Christians or Westerners as being completely barbaric when I know we are not.

All in all I would say English Sabla has many good points. It is a great forum to meet interesting people from around the globe, view different viewpoints and of course we all are never going to be on the same page on the wide variety of topics discussed here. I would hope though...that people realize before they write what exactly it is they are saying, why they are saying it and what is their ulterior motive for doing so.

Just my two cents.

Mariana U as well need some passion fruit juice :) Thanks for the comment
Minerva.....Awaiting :D

Don't know what passion fruit is. Thinking it might be this one red fruit called the Pomagrante (spelling) with lots of seeds inside.

Mariana U as well need some passion fruit juice :) Thanks for the comment
Minerva.....Awaiting :D
i like passion fruit. no it's not pomengranate marianna.

http://www.google.com.mt/search?hl=mt&q=passion+fruit&meta=

you gonna offer some fuggy?

i like passion fruit. no it's not pomengranate marianna.

http://www.google.com.mt/search?hl=mt&q=passion+fruit&meta=

you gonna offer some fuggy?
(your link gives the maltese version of google :hyper: )

(I am also lodging a formal complaint for not also being offered some passion. fruit.)

and here comes the rules....U report...we discuss....we decide :D
(do U like passion fruit Minerva?) ;)

Oh, does that really do anything ?

I have lost count of the reports I have made with no feedback or action.

Maybe having your brother as a mod helps cover your *****.

For example, I was just asked when MY God was born. Why? Is someone in here oblivious to Christmas day? Or was El Ray just taking the piss.. out of God?

It isn't exactly rocket science, is it?

Please don't just narrate one side story. Here what happened.

So why do you celebrate his birthday?

We don't celebrate any prophet's birthday. We celebrate Jesus's because we believe he is the Lord. The highest. Not a mere man.

You are celebrating the birthday of a mere man.


simply because he's special for us muslims :) .



When was your God born ?

You said that he's not a mere man. He's the Lord ( God ). So I've just asked a question to know when your Lord ( God ) was born.Why do you consider it as mockery ?

Anyway, I don't understand why are most of muslim questions taken as a mockery. I believe we have ' Other religions sabla' to discuss and ask questions about other religions like christianisty and judasim. And I've said before that if you don't like our questions and consider them offensive and insulting then please write a petition for the mods and assistants and administrators of the sabla to close the ' other religions sabla' and you won't find any inquiry from us anymore. We have Islamic sabla and we answer all of your question about Islam and ( though we knew some of the questions were just asked to mock ) we never complained. On the other hand we tried to answer all of your questions and took them so seriously.

Thanks PIB for clarification. Some members tend to see the story from one angel :)

Maybe having your brother as a mod helps cover your *****.

I think I already made it clear that ONE mod can do nothing when it comes to decisions that are decided by the majority of the team. So there's really no need to keep saying that.

I have issued nezitic an official notice for the attack he made in that thread that fengy posted, so you see, reporting makes a difference but to complain about an action never made without even reporting is just ironic.

And reporting should be for things that actually deserve to be reported and not just anything that a member is sensitive about.

Sometimes it just feels that reporting is for nothing. That's all nabs. I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes.. and I have to admit, sometimes it gets disheartening to have to keep reporting the same people over and over and over again and seeing their same behaviour go on and on from one thread to another. I don't have a chip on my shoulder over anyone and don't want it to seem that way. It's not the person that gets on my nerves. It's their actions.

I'm not here to draw blood. But the moment Sabla starts sounding like a skipping record, I'll just post less and less and less and I know others will too. And that's the great shame about it all. What drew me to sabla were the older members and what they had to say, how the place was always racing along with threads and ideas.. the thing is, when it starts getting personal everywhere you look, it starts getting shallow.

I think I already made it clear that ONE mod can do nothing when it comes to decisions that are decided by the majority of the team. So there's really no need to keep saying that.

I have issued nezitic an official notice for the attack he made in that thread that fengy posted, so you see, reporting makes a difference but to complain about an action never made without even reporting is just ironic.

And reporting should be for things that actually deserve to be reported and not just anything that a member is sensitive about.


Nabs,

You can check with Nico, as he specifically told me he had received my complaints and would get back to me.

That was probably 2 weeks ago.

And considering I received a warning for 'provoking' members, I would like to see that applied uniformly because there are a couple of members who enter every thread I open, contribute nothing and just post provocative posts.

I 'll be back to you when the team will take a decision, as i told you :)

well we do everything we can to be as fair as possible. I don't know most members on any level other than what they say on sabla because i chose to distance myself from them in order to make a better judgment when the time comes to issue them a warning or notice without letting personal feelings get in the way. I know that everyone here chats with everyone else and become 'friends' which sort of ruins the whole spirit of discussions because they end up being biased towards their friends, so I don't know how it works for everyone and on what basis do they choose to support each other and it's just boring in all honesty to see the same members supporting and encouraging the same members and the same members being against the same members even if they actually might agree with them but refuse to admit to it. I personally don't really care about any religion or any specific member (yes I am a Muslim but that's between me and god, I don't care to parade all over the place and put people down for their own beliefs, also I judge members based on what they post and not based on how well i know them) so it's just easy for me to detect what sounds right and what sounds wrong.

One more thing you need to understand that posting articles about Muslims which relate to CURRENT EVENTS (cartoons, films, etc) is not disrespect. Posting topics with the intent of disrespect (Jesus a drunkard, drug addict) is most certainly disrespect.

And considering I received a warning for 'provoking' members, I would like to see that applied uniformly because there are a couple of members who enter every thread I open, contribute nothing and just post provocative posts.

I understand, but you would have had a better case if you didn't do the same thing by posting in various threads (like one of the miracles of quran threads) and just displayed some sort of provocative commentary on how ridiculous u find the thread (or more specifically the miracle) to be.

As u've seen i issued nezitic a notice for his comment in your thread because he was wrong, but u'll help yourself more by not doing the same thing because the team will remember that , oh wudjab also does this and that so why should we care about what they do to him?

we can all benefit more if people displayed a little more understanding and compassion towards other people's beliefs. why is everyone so fixated on his/her opinion? I'll never understand that.

One more thing you need to understand that posting articles about Muslims which relate to CURRENT EVENTS (cartoons, films, etc) is not disrespect. Posting topics with the intent of disrespect (Jesus a drunkard, drug addict) is most certainly disrespect.


See that's where you usually go wrong because in all honesty both of them can be disrespectful based on the intention of the thread starter. If a Muslim started a thread on the cartoons then it will obviously not seem as disrespectful as lets say a non Muslim trying to pin point everything negative he finds about Islam. Same goes to Muslims starting threads related to Christianity or other religions.

I think it's quite easy to distinguish between a good or bad intention.

Sometimes it's good to know that people don't accept others to do to them what they have been mainly doing to others since their registration

Maybe this will stop both sides, good start

Sometimes it's good to know that people don't accept others to do to them what they have been mainly doing to others since their registration

Maybe this will stop both sides, good startWell said. I accept your apology and hope we all do better in the future.

But i have serious doubts that will happen.

And this is why i asked why even have these rules?

So what about your own comment in this thread, jack:
And don't be posting any naked ankles ... :hyper:?

So what about your own comment in this thread, jack:
?Find the post that mini and i were reffering too ... and you "might" find the sarcasm in the "naked ankles" comment.

But actually we do have members that would find "naked ankles" or any other parts of a womans body showing to be offensive.

Should ALL of us have to respect their sensibilities?

The gap of what offends one member to what does not is ...................................wide.

I've seen the post, and it's this sarcasm that can be offending, but then again, isn't that what some call indrect insults ;)?

lol, no worries Jack, even if some find naked ankles offensive, we're allowing it. the attachment of the Muslim bond girl you provided was showing more than and ankle, and it's still there isn't? ;)

It's his way to "it's weird" :cute:

lol, no worries Jack, even if some find naked ankles offensive, we're allowing it. the attachment of the Muslim bond girl you provided was showing more than and ankle, and it's still there isn't? ;)I'm glad that no one yet finds "the attachment" offensive and has complained. :D

haha, hopefully no one will. :D

My view: a Pop/priest/Sheikh is better off debating religious topics than any of us..

Nicolas: u r our fry :D

thnx :yes::yes::yes:

Did you guys notice that whatever you are saying about the Muslims, the Muslims are saying about you? :rolleyes: It means this problem is happening to everyone. Now I think the solution is that people should stop assuming that when someone asks a question about their religion it is motivated by mockery. Just try to explain it and don't think that just because this certain person initiated the question, it means he is mocking us. No, answer it as you know. Perhaps other people will benefit from your answers. Now when someone asks "when was your God born?", answer it, instead of saying it is not rocket science. And Insh Allah, we shall do the same when you ask a question about Islam, even though it might seem like a silly question and the answer is commonsensical to us (Muslims).

On thread, I answered it. And that is what I usually do. God knows how many times I've done just that.

Did you find it reported? no. Because first of all, it adds work for you and I think it is a trivial thing. It's not like I can't stand to look at someone take the piss. I'm well used to that and I can deal with it like an adult.
Secondly, I would expect the member himself to NOT do that, rather than be nannied by mods.

Maybe you don't think that the question was offensive. ok. So what happens when I post something and someone else finds it offensive, but I don't?

Also.. what's your take on the Jesus was drunk, Moses was a drug addict .. threads?

The thing is this: It's hard to be fair, I understand. It's impossible to please everyone. I know that. The moment one of us crosses the line on a muslim issue, we are jumped upon on thread - reported etc... Fair enough. Now, who is really paying attention to the non-muslim sensitivities when provocative threads are opened by a mod himself? Do we have to do the same back?

Do I really have to report every single post I think should have been written differently or not written at all? Cause that seems childish to me. More than sit here and complain to you, I'd rather raise some awareness that some things they post are in REALLY bad taste. If they want to do that, then they shouldn't complain when it's done to them.

While I'm at shooting the behaviour of some people in here down, I'd like to add how the mods of that sabla, Sophis and Threadlike, Um khalid (those come to mind) have always been extremly polite and have always added something worth reading to the threads, even on issues they disagreed with.

From the title, I would reckon that those thread are disrespectful notwithstanding the substance of it because we believe Moses and Jesus are prophets and no Muslim can disrespect them! I didn't take a look at those threads because of the never-ending dramas there :os

Perhaps you don't report it, but there are many other members who report every single thing and it's not worth it. That's why some don't hear a response. Sometimes we all agree "there is nothing wrong with what is being said", but the member is still very offended. It does not matter if they're very offended if we all agree that what was said is fine. We can't cater to all as you said.

But the bottom line is try to answer it. If you're tired and already answered it so many times, then ignore. If it is offensive and only offensive, then report it.

"Hello? Mr Pot?"

"Yes?"

"Hi, I just saw Mr Kettle and his friends light a fiery cross in your front yard..."

"Hello? Mr Pot?"

"Yes?"

"Hi, I just saw Mr Kettle and his friends light a fiery cross in your front yard..."Please inform them that there is an ongoing burn ban in place ... due to drought.

Nevermind ... :rolleyes:

I think all these opinions and counter opinions is what makes sabla interesting. Otherwise if we all agreed with each other it will be the most boring place on earth.

I support the removal of Nico.

I think all these opinions and counter opinions is what makes sabla interesting. Otherwise if we all agreed with each other it will be the most boring place on earth.

I support the removal of Nico.
woooooooooooooot?

removal of who?

that's a joke right?

I, A.Braiki the second (:p), am doing the best I can to be unbiased when it comes to other religions.
now, Once upon a time, a muslim member was issued a warning just because he questioned trinity in a thread that's discussing things that - according to Christianity - are true. I was called biased for that but I think I was fair and that all what matters.
Now if someone who's a follower of a known faith that believes ants are their gods, reports that someone is insulting his belief, directly or indirectly, after discussing with the team, an action will be taken. If he doesn't report and one of the religion mods spots it, then the mockery will be deleted. If he doesn't report and none of the religion mods spots it but another mod spots and reports it, an action will be taken too. If nobody reports it and none of the mods spots it, then it will stay as it is.

Usually though, when a post mocking religion (or breaking rules) is spotted by mods without being reported, it gets deleted without issuing anything!
I think the current system is fair don't you guys think so?

I don't know. I found your post a bit spotty.

:D

The way I look at it, this is an Omani Muslim forum which allows non-Omanis and non-Muslims to participate.

If we were NOT allowed to participate, then the Muslims would just say what they think about our religions, complimentary or not.

So, I think their sensibilities are paramount.

I understand why Christians or Jews get ticked off by certain kinds of religious posts. But I just figure that this is an opportunity to let Muslims get to know who we really are religiously, to answer their questions and let them into our minds or hearts.

All the questions are answerable and anyone who wants to understand how we think or why we believe what we believe can have a chance to discover it. And sometimes that chance can come through being attacked or disrespected.

Besides, one man's disrespect is another man's confident truth. If a Muslim thinks Christianity is ridiculous or ugly, by all means, let him tell me so and why he thinks so. And I have the chance to show the way I see it.

I think it would be a great loss if those who are hostile or think Christianity is dangerous had to watch themselves like hawks and not say what they think.

And another thing for us non-Muslims to remember. Many of us really wish that they would be less defensive when people have uncomplimentary or angry or insulting things to say about their religion on the world stage.

But how can we ask them to do that if we won't do the same right here when it's our religions that are in question?

So as far as I'm concerned, as long as there is a point behind what they are saying, let them speak their minds. It's good for all involved.

I, A.Braiki the second (:p), am doing the best I can to be unbiased when it comes to other religions.
now, Once upon a time, a muslim member was issued a warning just because he questioned trinity in a thread that's discussing things that - according to Christianity - are true. I was called biased for that but I think I was fair and that all what matters.
Now if someone who's a follower of a known faith that believes ants are their gods, reports that someone is insulting his belief, directly or indirectly, after discussing with the team, an action will be taken. If he doesn't report and one of the religion mods spots it, then the mockery will be deleted. If he doesn't report and none of the religion mods spots it but another mod spots and reports it, an action will be taken too. If nobody reports it and none of the mods spots it, then it will stay as it is.

Usually though, when a post mocking religion (or breaking rules) is spotted by mods without being reported, it gets deleted without issuing anything!
I think the current system is fair don't you guys think so?


Yes, I think it's quite fair; more than fair! :)

And I think you, Braiki, are a shining example of brotherly interest in other religions and of fairness and integrity in dealing with them.

Like I said, the angry insulting etc etc doesn't phase me. I know what's in my heart and that's the only thing that matters to me. What gets me are the double standards these same people have.

"Don't insult my prophet, but yours was drunk" kinda thing.

Again, another issue of the red line position.

Now I think the solution is that people should stop assuming that when someone asks a question about their religion it is motivated by mockery. Just try to explain it and don't think that just because this certain person initiated the question, it means he is mocking us. No, answer it as you know. Perhaps other people will benefit from your answers.

EXCELLENT!

You know, I'd go further and say: it doesn't really matter that much if someone is motivated by mockery.

Just use it as an opportunity.

Maybe someone will be impressed and interested and find respect at the end of the road!

I don't understand why we should be so defensive about our religions. If I believe in my religion, I should have CONFIDENCE in it. If I get upset every time someone asks a difficult question in a disrespectful way, I would feel that that would show people that, deep inside, I have doubts about it myself.

I'm supposed to love my family because it's MY family. And maybe there are bad things that could be said about it, so I'm vulnerable.

But I'm supposed to believe in my religion because I am convinced that it's TRUE. If it's TRUE, then that's going to have a lot of power, no matter what people say on a forum.

I think though when certain members have a history of hard lining Christianity and their postings DO show sarcasm it is hard to believe at times their motives are honest.