Mother Teresa’s followers in dark over Alphonsa sainthood (http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/uncategorized/mother-teresas-followers-in-dark-over-alphonsa-sainthood_10023485.html)

No doubt that late Mother Teresa's followers are eagerly awaiting her sainthood

As per the Vatican, a second miracle is required, though the first miracle itself had many doubts over it

I found an interesting entry on the following link:
"India has no reason to be grateful to Mother Teresa" (http://www.mukto-mona.com/Articles/mother_teresa/sanal_ed.htm)

The patients are treated with good words and insufficient (sometimes outdated) medicines, applied with old needles, washed in lukewarm water. One can hear the screams of people having maggots tweezered from their open wounds without pain relief. On principle, strong painkillers are even in hard cases not given. According to Mother Teresa's bizarre philosophy, it is "the most beautiful gift for a person that he can participate in the sufferings of Christ". Once she tried to comfort a screaming sufferer: "You are suffering, that means Jesus is kissing you!" The man got furious and screamed back: "Then tell your Jesus to stop kissing."

Mother Teresa did not serve the poor in Calcutta, she served the rich in the West. She helped them to overcome their bad conscience by taking billions of Dollars from them. Some of her donors were dictators and criminals, who tried to white wash their dirty vests.

Maybe such painful stories are the barriers towards her sainthood

from the people who i met personally and who worked with her, i heard a different story. she used to pick dying people from the street.
i'm sure she won't be declared a saint if such calls are claimed to be true. during the process of sainthood and canonisation there is someone called 'the Devil's Advocate' whose duty is solely to dig any dirt on the person proposed for sainthood. with a personality such as mother teresa, who served in modern times, with lots of media footage and articles written about her, with people who have met her still alive..... it won't be too hard.

I don't know why, but to mw it's like she never existed:os

well it's understandable, because she was a catholic nun.

she used to pick dying people from the street

Osama bin Laden financially helped many in Afghanistan & Sudan

Is he eligible for sainthood?

Wow I never knew that about Mother Teresa, as in that other view...
That kind of changes things for me.

Osama bin Laden financially helped many in Afghanistan & Sudan

Is he eligible for sainthood?
i try to discuss maturely and i didn't defend mother teresa. i just said the experience of the people who went to india and done work with her.
if what you said comes out in the canonisation process, she wont' be declared saint don't worry hitman.

WHY is she even being discussed? Is this another ploy to attack Christianity? I DOUBT it was for meer curiosity regarding this woman.

WHY is she even being discussed? Is this another ploy to attack Christianity? I DOUBT it was for meer curiosity regarding this woman.
Stop doubting. You can be sure of it. :)

Don't waste your precious time on this frivolity... but really, one has to admire how atheist propoganda websites are used to smear christianity.. the same atheists destined for the wrath of Allah and damnation in hell. :hyper:

WHY is she even being discussed?

Let's see why:

Mother Teresa’s “hospitals” for the indigent in India and elsewhere turned out to be hardly more than human warehouses in which seriously ill persons lay on mats, sometimes fifty to sixty in a room without benefit of adequate medical attention. Their ailments usually went undiagnosed. The food was nutritionally lacking and sanitary conditions were deplorable. There were few medical personnel on the premises, mostly untrained nuns and brothers.

When tending to her own ailments, however, Teresa checked into some of the costliest hospitals and recovery care units in the world for state-of-the-art treatment.

But she herself lived lavishly well, enjoying luxurious accommodations in her travels abroad

Source (http://www.worldproutassembly.org/archives/2007/10/mother_teresa_j.html)

Marianna, do you think such a person deserves sainthood? If those claims are true

Let's see why:







Source (http://www.worldproutassembly.org/archives/2007/10/mother_teresa_j.html)

Marianna, do you think such a person deserves sainthood? If those claims are true
hitman do you know what sainthood is?

You know hitman.. you're right. She should have gotten herself out of the slums into a nice cosy convent instead. What an idiot! I'm sure the mosques of India would have taken care of all them poor and sick instead. :hmm:



EVEN if the claims are real.. they got better than they were getting before. They got shelter, food, care and most of all, they got compassion.

It seems, hitman, like you would prefer that these people were left to die in the streets like roadkill.

What is Sainthood?
everybody who enters heaven is a Saint.
it could be your grandmother, your friend, anybody who's passed over to live eternally in the grace of God.

now the church does not 'make' saints. it declares them only.
a person's 'cause' for sainthood (ex after someone dies, i can propose them for their sainthood to be declared) gets started by a group of people, with someone heading the group, called a postulant.
the postulant provides information regarding the person's life.
during the process, a counter commitee (the 'devil's advocate') raises objections. they are bound by the Vatican to do so.
if the person's good is proven enough for sainthood to be declared, then after lengthy processes, they get declared saints.

saints are important in our religion because through their example we get closer to God. we believe they are close to him in heaven and ask them to deliver our prayers to him. (ok a barrage of comments might ensue after this comment...but never mind)

Osama bin Laden financially helped many in Afghanistan & Sudan

Is he eligible for sainthood?Millions of muslims have declared him as Amo said her included ... "saviour". So i guess yes put him on your list of islamic saints.

I think it's only fair, Hitman, to mention that the kind of sources you quote on these issues are those of radical Hindu Fundamentalists, the same ones who destroyed the ancient Babri Muslim mosque in India, led pogroms against Muslims and condemn both Islam and Christianity as anti-Indian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babri_Mosque

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B03EEDD1031F932A35750C0A9649C8B 63
("Hindu Rioters Kill 60 Muslims in India")

Here, in contrast, is the response of an Indian Muslims site:

In India, Mother Teresa, a great social worker is given a high place of respect. She will be remembered as a person who gave shelter to those who had no shelter. But at the same time, there is a group that views her every step as a political step. As she gave support to the unsheltered and encouraged the discarded people to live a respectful life, extremists blamed that whatever Mother Teresa did for the welfare, her main objective was to attract the people towards Christianity. But the persons, who accused her, couldn't tell if any of their organization had started this type of nationwide programme to help the ignored, poor, diseased and discarded persons of every cast and community? The organizations that spend millions of rupees to spread hatred and communalism, have no nationwide constructive work to give shelter to the poor, ignored and discarded.

http://www.indianmuslims.info/news/2008/feb/22/come_save_country_communal_claws.html

Mother Teresa helped the sick and dying without any regard for their religion and without any religious test. And she famously said:

"There is only one God and He is God to all; therefore it is important that everyone is seen as equal before God. I’ve always said we should help a Hindu become a better Hindu, a Muslim become a better Muslim, a Catholic become a better Catholic. We believe our work should be our example to people. We have among us 475 souls - 30 families are Catholics and the rest are all Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs—all different religions. But they all come to our prayers."

http://www.ewtn.com/motherteresa/words.htm

thanks jeff. i think this quote


it is important that everyone is seen as equal before God. I’ve always said we should help a Hindu become a better Hindu, a Muslim become a better Muslim, a Catholic become a better Catholic.


sums up Mother Teresa's mission. She never sought to convert people, or chose who to help....love thy neighbour as thy self. her neighbours were the sick and the dying, of whatever faith.

I don't think Mother Teresa even would have refused to accept someone who wished to become a Christian. But that was not her mission.

Her belief was that she was there to serve all those who were in need and had been abandoned by others. When she was a teaching nun in the Sisters of Loreto long before she started the Missionaries of Charity, she was once faced with a situation in which a Hindu mob was rioting and her young girls' school was barracaded behind locked gates and a high wall for safety.

Two Muslims being attacked by the mob were banging on the gate and pleading for help. She gave orders to open the gate and allow them in, despite the danger to her own girls from the mob.

Afterwards, her own superior criticized her for endangering the school and the Christian community in Calcutta. "It's a fight between Muslims and Hindus; it's not our concern," the superior said.

"They were in need. How could I have refused to help them? I would do the same thing again," said Mother Teresa.

Wonder what the response will be on this....again, I still feel this thread was started to mock a certain Christian figure and not to learn..why else would such hateful things be said? Mother Theresa dared where others would never tread....

i think for one article posted by hitman there will be an army to people who owe their good health and care to mother teresa.

I thought to be eligible for sainthood they needed to perform miracles and to be able to answer prayers after they are dead.

Jeff, share with us where the late Mother Teresa used to get her medical treatment from?

Marianna, no need to get all emotional in here

i found this interesting article
Click: Mother Teresa (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Mother_Teresa)

:)

Jeff, share with us where the late Mother Teresa used to get her medical treatment from?

Marianna, no need to get all emotional in here


How can a person not get emotional? I mean there is thread after thread in here mocking Christian figures, even the bible and how we believe in God...yes God FORBID if someone questions YOUR religion.

Why she is called "Mother"?

Mother Teresa does not need our opinions, she is in God's hands now and He is the one who will decide if she is a Saint or Not. And whatever good she has done, God shall never deny it.

When I read of Mother Teresa, I remember this story:

"While a man was walking he felt thirsty and went down a well and drank water from it. On coming out of it, he saw a dog panting and eating mud because of excessive thirst. The man said, 'This (dog) is suffering from the same problem as that of mine. So he (went down the well), filled his shoe with water, caught hold of it with his teeth and climbed up and watered the dog. God thanked him for his (good) deed and forgave him."

It doesn't say in the hadeeth that the man was even a believer, if it did it would have been mentioned. It shows that when someone does a good deed, God never denies that, He is Just. And that man entered Heaven for being good to an animal, so I imagine the reward of someone being good to human beings.

i found this interesting article
Click: Mother Teresa (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Mother_Teresa)

:)
that's an uncyclopaedia link. there are lots of articles there. we'll not get down to that level won't we now? ;)


to ice tea, the head of an order, a convent, a group of nuns is always called mother.

to ice tea, the head of an order, a convent, a group of nuns is always called mother.


Ok.

Then also in the Bible Jesus says My Father, so that doesn't make him son of God. Agree?

Ok.

Then also in the Bible Jesus says My Father, so that doesn't make him son of God. Agree?
that's another topic not about mother teresa. wait until jeff comes in next sunday.

It is the same argument, what is the difference?

It is the same argument, what is the difference?
off topic. :) can't be arsed really. all i wanted to do is to counteract claims on mother teresa.
i think if you consult the uncyclopaedia link you can learn a lot. i'm reading about islam on there right now.

Why she is called "Mother"?

Its a hierarchical title.

I think mother Theresa was a great woman. No matter what amount of good deeds people do, there are always others who wait for the slightest mistakes to discredit those good people, just like those Indian websites.
However, it is widely known that mother Theresa was one of the greatest people during her life time!

Yes, she lived a life that def. was not easy and she helped those people deemed unworthy or "worthless."

I think she was a wonderful human being for all the good she has done.

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But when it comes to declaring a person as a saint...doesn't it basically mean every christian is a saint?

It doesn't say in the hadeeth that the man was even a believer, if it did it would have been mentioned. It shows that when someone does a good deed, God never denies that, He is Just. And that man entered Heaven for being good to an animal, so I imagine the reward of someone being good to human beings.

I liked they way you put things there. I totally agree with you, god would never deny the good deed of people, even non-believers. And god only can judge people's deeds and intentions. We can't distribute "sanithood" or make random assumptions about it.