The Bible teaches that God told Adam and Eve not to eat from one particular tree and if they did they will die, Satan came to them and told them if you eat from that tree you will live. When thy ate from the tree they didn't die, does this mean God told Adam and Eve a lie?

Also the blame was put on Eve for eating from the tree, so the Bible teaches that due to this all women will suffer the delivery pain.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

And share your comments.

The Bible teaches that God told Adam and Eve not to eat from one particular tree and if they did si they will die, Satan came to them and told them if you eat from that tree you will live. When thy ate from the tree they didn't die, does this mean God told Adam and Eve a lie?

Also the blame was put on Eve for eating from the tree, so the Bible teaches that due to this all women will suffer the delivery pain.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

And share your comments.

Absolutely correct .

It is a good point where you can go for comparative study, Dear Sir Ice Tea.

The Bible teaches that God told Adam and Eve not to eat from one particular tree and if they did they will die, Satan came to them and told them if you eat from that tree you will live. When thy ate from the tree they didn't die, does this mean God told Adam and Eve a lie?



They became mortal or perhaps aware of their mortality. God didn't lie, the cunning animal who told Eve she wouldn't die lied.

I think a direct translation goes along the lines of "in dying you will die".

There were two trees. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was barred from them, but the tree of life was only barred and guarded by angels after they had eaten the forbidden fruit.

The second part about painful birth is correct.

What did God told Adam and Eve exactly, and provide the reference from the Bible?

What is painful birth to do with the whole issue?

Don't you think the Bible is degrading women by placing all the blame on Eve?

"Eat from that tree and you (all humanity) will die" means you will contract the death of sin, which will condemn you to mortality and also to the final death of Hell.

But the Bible doesn't just blame Eve. It is Adam who accepted the suggestion, the fault lies with him as well. And it is Adam's sin in actually breaking God's command rather than rejecting Eve's advice that creates original sin.

That's why the Bible says, "As in Adam all died, so in Christ shall all be made alive." 1 Corinthians 16: 22.

Nice to see you again, Ice Tea! :) I missed reading your challenging and interesting threads...

Don't you think the Bible is degrading women by placing all the blame on Eve?

Adam is cursed as well.. women get painful childbirth men get:

Genesis 3
17 And unto Adam He said: 'Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying: Thou shalt not eat of it; cursed is the ground for thy sake; in toil shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life.
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field.
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken; for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.'

So if Eve didn't convince Adam to eat from the tree, women will not have any pain at childbirth? doesn't make sense to me, what does science say about the cause of the pain? How about if the lady given a pain killer, that means she is not punished, right?

Can you explain to me what men get, didn't understand the quotes?

So if Eve didn't convince Adam to eat from the tree, women will not have any pain at childbirth? doesn't make sense to me, what does science say about the cause of the pain? How about if the lady given a pain killer, that means she is not punished, right?

Can you explain to me what men get, didn't understand the quotes?

No, it was because Eve also ate from the tree.

I'm not going to bother with the science of human childbirth, but I am going to assume that prior to eating the fruit human childbirth would have been more like animal birth. Animals generally don't suffer extreme pain except if there are complications.

And about the pain killers, thats for the scholars to figure out.

Men have to work for their food instead of getting it handed to them on a platter.

Yes she ate from the tree then what, if she didn't ate then you think women will not have pain at childbirth?

How do you know animals don't feel pain, you have to be an animal to figure that out first, right?

What is scholars to do with pain killer, you should say for doctors to figure out if it's ok for a woman to take pain killers or not at such time?

Why you think that is a punishment for men, they need to work in order to survive, common sense, beside that what if a woman is also working, now it means she is punished twice!

Yes she ate from the tree then what, if she didn't ate then you think women will not have pain at childbirth?

We would still be living in Eden as well.

How do you know animals don't feel pain, you have to be an animal to figure that out first, right?

Its general knowledge. Have you seen animals give birth? I suggest you watch a cat give birth one day, sometimes they purr.

What is scholars to do with pain killer, you should say for doctors to figure out if it's ok for a woman to take pain killers or not at such time?

You should re-read your 1st question. It's a theological question don't you think?

Check this out:

When Dr. James Simpson began to use anesthesia in child-birth in 1846, a religious furor arose against its use. For many people, including many physicians, Genesis chapter 3, verse 16, implied that childbirth had to be a painful process. In 1849, the editors of one of Canada's medical journals asked Abraham De Sola, Canada's first rabbi, to give his interpretation of Genesis 3:16 for the benefit of their readers, which he did in a three-part article. Using Hebrew biblical scholars as his source, he wrote that the correct interpretation of this passage was that with toil or labor shall women bring forth children, rather than with pain. Therefore, by using anesthesia in childbirth, physicians were not going against the scriptures or the word of God.

http://www.greenjournal.org/cgi/content/abstract/88/5/895?ck=nck

Why you think that is a punishment for men, they need to work in order to survive, common sense, beside that what if a woman is also working, now it means she is punished twice!

This was the consequence of being thrown out of the Garden of Eden where every thing was provided without having to work for it. Its common now, but for someone like Adam it would have been a bit of a culture shock.

There are the quotes (as posted by Mr shamsrey in another thread) of punishment for women, and this is because Eve ate from the tree:


3: 16 To the woman he said: "I will intensify the pangs of your childbearing; in pain shall you bring forth children. Yet your urge shall be for your husband, and he shall be your master."

3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. KJV 1611

3:16. And he said to the woman,” I willb increase your trouble in pregnancy and your pain in giving birth. In spite of this, you will still have desire for your husband ,yet you will be subject to him.” Good News Bible , Hard Copy.

Its general knowledge. Have you seen animals give birth? I suggest you watch a cat give birth one day, sometimes they purr.

Watching is different from feeling pain, beside you are comparing human beings with animals which is not a valid comparison.


Let us assume that you put your finger in the fire, you will feel pain, why?

Will you say because it is punishment from God?

Watching is different from feeling pain, beside you are comparing human beings with animals which is not a valid comparison.


I am a biological scientist, we are all animals.

I'll reply to the other stuff later, I'm short on time.

Just make sure there is a copy right

& FYI we are all animals :D