What mental pictures Christians have in mind?

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Hope you understand the concept of Trinity.
Yes , we don't agree but it is their conviction.

I'm asking about specific image for each person, I think Christian have an image for each person in mind.

How come no Christian member able to answer or wait for Jeff as usual.

I'm asking about specific image for each person, I think Christian have an image for each person in mind.

How come no Christian member able to answer or wait for Jeff as usual.

Meanwhile you look how Bhai and let Jeff will narrate Christian view.
Though it will be recapitulation.
Anyway look Bahai view on Trinity.



THE TRINITY

What is the meaning of the Trinity, of the Three Persons in One?

The Divine Reality, which is purified and sanctified from the understanding of human beings and which can never be imagined by the people of wisdom and of intelligence, is exempt from all conception. That Lordly Reality admits of no division; for division and multiplicity are properties of creatures which are contingent existences, and not accidents which happen to the self-existent.
The Divine Reality is sanctified from singleness, then how much more from plurality. The descent of that Lordly Reality into conditions and degrees would be equivalent to imperfection and contrary to perfection, and is, therefore, absolutely impossible. It perpetually has been, and is, in the exaltation of holiness and sanctity. All that is mentioned of the Manifestations and Dawning-places of God signifies the divine reflection, and not a descent into the conditions of existence.

God is pure perfection, and creatures are but imperfections. For God to descend into the conditions of existence would be the greatest of imperfections; on the contrary, His manifestation, His appearance, His rising are like the reflection of the sun in a clear, pure, polished mirror. All the creatures are evident signs of God, like the earthly beings upon all of which the rays of the sun shine. But upon the plains, the mountains, the trees and fruits, only a portion 114 of the light shines, through which they become visible, and are reared, and attain to the object of their existence, while the Perfect Man 2 is in the condition of a clear mirror in which the Sun of Reality becomes visible and manifest with all its qualities and perfections. So the Reality of Christ was a clear and polished mirror of the greatest purity and fineness. The Sun of Reality, the Essence of Divinity, reflected itself in this mirror and manifested its light and heat in it; but from the exaltation of its holiness, and the heaven of its sanctity, the Sun did not descend to dwell and abide in the mirror. No, it continues to subsist in its exaltation and sublimity, while appearing and becoming manifest in the mirror in beauty and perfection.
Now if we say that we have seen the Sun in two mirrors—one the Christ and one the Holy Spirit—that is to say, that we have seen three Suns, one in heaven and the two others on the earth, we speak truly. And if we say that there is one Sun, and it is pure singleness, and has no partner and equal, we again speak truly.

The epitome of the discourse is that the Reality of Christ was a clear mirror, and the Sun of Reality—that is to say, the Essence of Oneness, with its infinite perfections and attributes—became visible in the mirror. The meaning is not that the Sun, which is the Essence of the Divinity, became divided and multiplied—for the Sun is one—but it appeared in the mirror. This is why Christ said, “The Father is in the Son,” meaning that the Sun is visible and manifest in this mirror.

The Holy Spirit is the Bounty of God which becomes visible and evident in the Reality of Christ. The Sonship station is the heart of Christ, and the Holy Spirit is the station of the spirit of Christ. Hence it has become certain and proved that the Essence of Divinity is absolutely unique and has no equal, no likeness, no equivalent.

This is the signification of the Three Persons of the Trinity. If it were otherwise, the foundations of the Religion of God would rest upon an illogical proposition which the mind could never conceive, and how can the mind be forced to believe a thing which it cannot conceive? A thing cannot be grasped by the intelligence except when it is clothed in an intelligible form; otherwise, it is but an effort of the imagination.

It has now become clear, from this explanation, what is the meaning of the Three Persons of the Trinity. The Oneness of God is also proved.

I don't have a mental picture. In The Catholic church the holy spirit is sometimes depicted as a dove. The reason Christians are not posting on this is due to the fact that they get attacked every time regarding their belief systems here.

Don't you have a mental picture to represent the Trinity?
No. I don't. Not in the sense you are looking for it.

I see a sunset and I see God. I see the moon, and I see God. I see a new born baby and I see God. Is God a sunset? A moon? A baby? No.
And the trinity is God.


Do you have a mental picture that represents love? If it's a beating heart or something, it shows how detached from reality you are. But if you saw a beating heart and it reminded you of 'love' .. then I understand.

The thread is about the mental picture christians have of the trinity. I answered you.

Your next question is if the trinity is mentioned in the bible. You keep asking questions people have already answered you for in many other threads. What is it? Do you really have nothing better to do with your time than ask the same questions over and over and over again?

Use the search feature and find the old threads that have addressed your quesiton already.

Thanks.

IceTea my dear friend...
Are you opening this thread to discuss:
1) Mental pictures of Father Son and Holy Spirit or
2) The extent of Truth in the Trinity?

Because most, if not all, your threads always head in the direction of no.2.

Things are related.

But you can answer 1) if you wish.

^They are related. It's why you can open seperate threads.

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Any further off topics will be deleted, and will result in locking the thread

Have a good discussion :bored:

IceTea, some imagine God to look something like the following, how unfortunate:

http://www.art-prints-on-demand.com/kunst/fra_bartolommeo/god_appearing_mary_magdalen_c_hi.jpg

OMG this is outrageous :os

OMG this is outrageous :os
what's outrageous?

Depicting prophets is outrageous, how about God ? These drawings give God human features which is so wrong.

Depicting prophets is outrageous, how about God ? These drawings give God human features which is so wrong.
wrong for you, beautiful for me.
in our religion, art is used as a medium to convey feelings and get people to reflect more on the lesson the painting wants to teach.
let me shock you a bit more.

the Creation of Adam by Michelangelo, in the Sistine Chapel of the Vatican itself.
Admired throughout the whole world by people of all faiths.

*sacred art deemed offensive, removed by myself (minerva)*
all those genuinely interested, can google Adam sistine chapel.

Thats a true masterpiece.

Minerva, who's that ugly white bearded man with a lady's dress? I can see he's desperate to hold the naked man with the tiny d!ck

Getting frisky are we?
now you are being rude lol.
it's god giving life to Adam, as depicted by Michelangelo.
lady's dress? (won't answer that)
the ladies are seraphim angels
the small angels are cherubims.
adam's got a tiny todger cos in art, as anybody might know, male frontal nudity, in those days was considered vulgar, unlike female frontal nudity.
adam is naked because he has just got created.
anyway, it's art....some people don't appreciate it, i understand.

Hahaha and they call it a masterpiece
i can understand that you might not have an art background....you are mocking something that has a seven hour queue by people of all faiths to be watched. it's ok. i know your agenda. i take comfort that not all people from your culture are like you.

you are mocking something that has a seven hour queue by people of all faiths to be watched

I reckon most are homosexuals like the men in the painting

The old man seems to be a paedophile as well

I reckon most are homosexuals like the men in the painting

The old man seems to be a paedophile as well
got any proof on that ;) ?

Omg..I dont think you can post something like that picture..scary!..it's a fal7a( i dont want to traslate) :p sorry but its funny ..

i can understand that you might not have an art background....you are mocking something that has a seven hour queue by people of all faiths to be watched. it's ok. i know your agenda. i take comfort that not all people from your culture are like you.

I don't care how long sick people queued to watch this scandalous drawing. God is so Divine to be depicted in a such drawing and in a women dress ? Duh and you call it art. i think some people call pornography an art too. And this is such a genre of it.

Omg..I dont think you can post something like that picture..scary!..it's a fal7a( i dont want to traslate) :p sorry but its funny ..
ok i'll delete the pic just in case some of you get offended. but anyway...google sacred art if you are interested, as i assumed the thread starter was, or was it baiting.....*sighs*

I don't care how long sick people queued to watch this scandalous drawing. God is so Divine to be depicted in a such drawing and in a women dress ? Duh and you call it art. i think some people call pornography an art too. And this is such a genre of it.
dont' look at it if you think art cannot express the divine.

ok i'll delete the pic just in case some of you get offended. but anyway...google sacred art if you are interested, as i assumed the thread starter was, or was it baiting.....*sighs*

The thing is im not use to seeing naked pictures like that..it's not my fault im innocent and like to prevent looking at these stuff
i think you should delete it as your not only offending us but also the prophet by showing him in such a way

The thing is im not use to seeing naked pictures like that..it's not my fault im innocent and like to prevent looking at these stuff
i think you should delete it as your not only offending us but also the prophet by showing him in such a way
see, in art, the nude is not an offensive image. likewise in sacred art. i think someone else posted a picture of God, but he was ok cos he was clothed, albeit not in trousers and tie.
call it a culture clash. i wont' even bother to elaborate, sorry for offending you. i honestly didn't mean to.

^ Its all good now :)

IceTea, some imagine God to look something like the following, how unfortunate:

http://www.art-prints-on-demand.com/kunst/fra_bartolommeo/god_appearing_mary_magdalen_c_hi.jpg

This is really sad, where is the respect to God, poor Christians they think God looks like human beings, thus they are placing limitations over God. There is nothing like God, if you imagine God is like a human being then he is not God. Simple as that.

now you are being rude lol.
it's god giving life to Adam, as depicted by Michelangelo.
lady's dress? (won't answer that)
the ladies are seraphim angels
the small angels are cherubims.
adam's got a tiny todger cos in art, as anybody might know, male frontal nudity, in those days was considered vulgar, unlike female frontal nudity.
adam is naked because he has just got created.
anyway, it's art....some people don't appreciate it, i understand.


Are you there when Adam was created?
Have you seen angels before?

You are just assuming things based on zero knowledge.

Or this is some type of freedom of speech and thoughts?

Honestly, I was a bit suprised when I realized that paintings that are depections of prophets and even God exist. It was hard getting my head around that and I kinda felt a bit bad looking at such paintings even if it was of a different faith and are artistic masterpieces.

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Do you think the proposition is correct?
You are here to bring the derailed post in order as guardian (Moderator)
How do you think locking a thread is the solution of problem?
For one or two other should not suffer, am I wrong?
We expect vigilance and patience.
Regards,

This is really sad, where is the respect to God, poor Christians they think God looks like human beings, thus they are placing limitations over God. There is nothing like God, if you imagine God is like a human being then he is not God. Simple as that.

This is unusual.
I would not be surprise to see Jesus image as God.
Because , they believe God incarnated as Jesus.

IceTea, some imagine God to look something like the following, how unfortunate:
Yes it is shocking and unfortunate.
Not for the image , for stupidity.
Who draw the picture, which group of Christian do believe in such immage?
Have you any idea?

wrong for you, beautiful for me.


I agree with you.
This is key word for peaceful co existence.
We should not criticize which you think beautiful and you should not advocate or provoke that wrong for others , goes against conviction, emotion and core believe.

At least Islam teaches that philosophy.

funny how most of you are mocking their beliefs, but when someone says anything that sounds rude about Islam or the way we view the prophets and Allah, you get offended.
you should respect others in order to be respected as well.

you might find the paintings outrageous, i felt weird looking at them myself..but it's not a reason for you to mock others beliefs.

you all should know better as Muslims.

you all should know better as Muslims.

I cannot remember the verse exactly and have no time to search.

I remember , Allah (swt) has clearly forbidden in The Holy Qur'an to mock with other scripture , or abuse other God or Gods. If due to provocation , in return they abuse , insult Allah(swt) , you will be responsible for their deeds , you will bear responsibility.

Discussion in modest way and mocking is not same.

funny how most of you are mocking their beliefs, but when someone says anything that sounds rude about Islam or the way we view the prophets and Allah, you get offended.
you should respect others in order to be respected as well.

you might find the paintings outrageous, i felt weird looking at them myself..but it's not a reason for you to mock others beliefs.

you all should know better as Muslims.

Don't forget that they believe in the same God we believe in ( not jesus ). Jesus and Adam BPUT are our prophets too. When they do something mockery all they get is mockery. I myself feel offended by these stupid depictions and am a muslim because we feel outraged to see any prophet depicted how about God. I believe all prophets should be respected and not to be painted in such scandalous positions and half naked. This is really out of the limit.

Locked because the most don't have the ability to discuss in a mature way:bored: