Question raised to my mind.

What would be the answer?

Equal when it comes to what? I think G-d discriminated against men, because he only gave women the awesome power to make babies.

Equal when it comes to what? I think G-d discriminated against men, because he only gave women the awesome power to make babies.

Thank you.
Surly it is a point.

Anything more?

Where are the pundits?
Do you know your scripture?

Am not sure whether the real motivation behind this sort of threads, is the pursuit of knowledge about other religions or just a cynical form of revenge
Thing is that in the end we are just losers
There is so much we are missing about our own religion and is clear by what we post here, that I dnt see why we must waste time by trying to prove that other believes are not valid
If we truely had faith in God and in His message, if our true aim is living our life for Him, then we dnt need to prove it in this way
We have many challenges in front of us, as Muslims, specially in this time
Why not saving our efforts to accomplish them ?
Prophet Muhammad :PBUH: never used this method
Furthermore, at least the choice of topics to argue about, should be planned carefully
Why should we care about equality between men and women in the Bible ?
Those who practice a religion following the teachings of that Book, do not practice discrimination against women on a daily basis justifying themselves with their belief, same as we do, so raising such a question is rather futile
The non Muslims have full rights to wonder about this problem in Islam, because they have evidences that something's not working in our realities
And is our duty to provide them with solid answers cause we are not afraid since we know that Islam came to make us all equal in front of God, without differentiating between genders or tribes
But if we keep on this track, we prove our weakness in front of them and in front of God

Got to spread it amo.

Am not sure whether the real motivation behind this sort of threads, is the pursuit of knowledge about other religions or just a cynical form of revenge

No No Senorita,
What revenge, Why revenge?

Our friends are well educated with Qur’an verse and Islam.
We are learning from them.
This is good.
I appreciate.

But most of us don’t know about Torah and Bible.
Surly there is something good.
So let them come up with their scripture.
Is my aspiration too much?

This is one way to answer, since it gets to the fundamental attitude:

26 For through faith you are all children of God in Christ Jesus.
27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free person, there is not male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendant, heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 3: 26-29.

3: 16 To the woman he said: "I will intensify the pangs of your childbearing; in pain shall you bring forth children. Yet your urge shall be for your husband, and he shall be your master."

3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. KJV 1611


3:16. And he said to the woman,” I willb increase your trouble in pregnancy and your pain in giving birth. In spite of this, you will still have desire for your husband ,yet you will be subject to him.” Good News Bible , Hard Copy.


Here is from Qur'an,
If the learned Moderators feel irrelevant, may kindly delete.

Qur’an

4:1. O mankind, fear your Lord, who created you from one soul and created from it its mate and dispersed from both of them many men and women. And fear Allāh, through whom you ask one another, and the wombs. Indeed Allāh is ever, over you, an Observer.

46:15. And We have enjoined upon man, to his parents, good treatment. His mother carried him with hardship and gave birth to him with hardship, and his gestation and weaning [period] is thirty months. [He grows] until, when he reaches maturity and reaches [the age of] forty years, he says, "My Lord, enable me to be grateful for Your favor which You have bestowed upon me and upon my parents and to work righteousness of which You will approve and make righteous for me my offspring. Indeed, I have repented to You, and indeed, I am of the Muslims."

49: 13. O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allāh is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allāh is Knowing and Acquainted.

Male and female is equal in the eye of Allah(swt).
Look to the verse and get in to it.

3: 195. And their Lord responded to them, "Never will I allow to be lost the work of [any] worker among you, whether male or female; you are of one another. So those who emigrated or were evicted from their homes or were harmed in My cause or fought or were killed – I will surely remove from them their misdeeds, and I will surely admit them to gardens beneath which rivers flow as reward from Allāh, and Allāh has with Him the best reward."

The Holy qur’an goes on,

33: 35. Indeed, the Muslim men and Muslim women, the believing men and believing women, the obedient men and obedient women, the truthful men and truthful women, the patient men and patient women, the humble men and humble women, the charitable men and charitable women, the fasting men and fasting women, the men who guard their private parts and the women who do so, and the men who remember Allāh often and the women who do so – for them Allāh has prepared forgiveness and a great reward.

What statement one will prefer?

Actually I prefer these hadith, all from Bukhari, which as you well know is 100% accurate :

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 124:
Narrated Usama:

The Prophet said, "I stood at the gate of Paradise and saw that the majority of the people who entered it were the poor, while the wealthy were stopped at the gate (for the accounts). But the companions of the Fire were ordered to be taken to the Fire. Then I stood at the gate of the Fire and saw that the majority of those who entered it were women."

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 121:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "If a man Invites his wife to sleep with him and she refuses to come to him, then the angels send their curses on her till morning."

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 137:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's Apostle about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection."

Actually I prefer these hadith, all from Bukhari, which as you well know is 100% accurate :


Nothing can over ride the Holy Qur’an.
If anything do so, throw it to the dust beans.

Thats a problem for the muslims to deal with - how to reconcile contradictory positions in the Quran and Hadith.

Clouds did say that Bukhari is 100% accurate.

So take your fight to him.

Thats a problem for the muslims to deal with - how to reconcile contradictory positions in the Quran and Hadith.

Clouds did say that Bukhari is 100% accurate.

So take your fight to him.


This is the problem with you.
Did Cloud claim Bukhari or any other books can override The Holy Qur’an?
Or is there any Muslim here , who can claim that?

Something is either 100% accurate or it isn't.

You can't be just a little bit pregnant.