I received this email today, about the latest miracle of the glorious Quran, it's in Arabic but I will try to translate it to English:

the title: THE MOSQUITO AND ABOVE IT

Allah swt said in the Quran:

البقرة (آية:26): ان الله لا يستحيي ان يضرب مثلا ما بعوضه فما فوقها فاما الذين امنوا فيعلمون انه الحق من ربهم واما الذين كفروا فيقولون ماذا اراد الله بهذا مثلا يضل به كثيرا ويهدي به كثيرا وما يضل به الا الفاسقين

[:226] Verily, Allâh is not ashamed to set forth a parable even of a mosquito or above it when it is bigger (or less when it is smaller) than it. And as for those who believe, they know that it is the Truth from their Lord, but as for those who disbelieve, they say: "What did Allâh intend by this parable?" By it He misleads many, and many He guides thereby. And He misleads thereby only those who are Al-Fâsiqûn (the rebellious, disobedient to Allâh).

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/8535/miracle1pi0.png (http://imageshack.us)


http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/9283/miracle2qt2.png (http://imageshack.us)

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/273/miracle3la8.png (http://imageshack.us)

the above two pictures talk about what scientist discovered lately about mosquitoes :
- they have a hundred eyes in their head
-they have 48 teeth in their mouth
-they have three hearts in their chest
-they have six knives in their trunk
-they have three wings on each side
-they have an infra red sensor built in to see human flesh far away
-they have blood analysis system as they don't like to suck all bloods
-they have blood liquifier system built in so the blood will flow smoothly in their tiny trunk
-they have a highly sensitive smell system they can smell human's sweat 60 kilometers away!!!
-they have a local anesthesia when biting that's why human don't feel their bites

subhanallah, glory be to Allah swt

but the REAL MIRACLE which is mentioned clearly in the Quran is what each mosquito is carrying above it, have a look at this picture:

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/8052/miracle4ly5.png (http://imageshack.us)

modern science prove that there is a very small insect living above or on top of each mosquito which can't be seen by naked eye but under the microscope.

and that's what this verse really means:

{إِنَّ اللَّهَ لاَ يَسْتَحْيِي أَن يَضْرِبَ مَثَلاً مَّا بَعُوضَةً فَمَا فَوْقَهَا}؛

[Verily, Allâh is not ashamed to set forth a parable even of a mosquito or above it]

and we still hearing the voices of some atheists and non muslims saying that the Quran is man made!!!

p.s. the last picture suppose to be a slide show which shows clearly the small insect, sorry I can't paste it in here.

There are about 3,500 species of mosquito. Some like from the genus Toxorhynchites don't suck blood. Can we get specifics, say the Genus?

Not all would have developed a symbiotic relationship with an external microscopic organism e.g. not all Mosquitos are vectors for Malaria.

Thanks a lot brother cloud. The miracle of The Holy Qur'an, the last book sent down by the Creator of all, is that as time passes, new miracles are found and some verses are better understood.

I never knew about this miracle before. Thanks a lot for sharing.

If this does not make the unbelievers believes, only God knows what will. May Allah show us the right path and open are hearts to the truth.

Ameen :)

Subhan Allah "Golry be to Allah"!
This is not the only case where the modern science has revealed miracles of Quran! And The Holy Quran gives the evidence to the existence to God through these miracles.

Thanks for sharing, clouds :).

have any of you read kara's post?

There are about 3,500 species of mosquito. Some like from the genus Toxorhynchites don't suck blood. Can we get specifics, say the Genus?

Not all would have developed a symbiotic relationship with an external microscopic organism e.g. not all Mosquitos are vectors for Malaria.

Thanks for sharing the information dear. Not all species of mosquitoes have the characteristics our Creator used as an example to compare in the verse above, but many do. And for a believer, even one species of a mosquito would be enough :)

have any of you read kara's post?

Yes. Have you tried reading cloud's post with an open mind and heart?

Yes. Have you tried reading cloud's post with an open mind and heart?
yes i have but i didnt' find the parable in his post, just a mention.

and those things discovered 'recently' were already taught in classes some twenty years ago.. (the anasthetic, the compound eyes, symbiotic relationships etc)

Quran is a miracle, those who understand Arabic know how complex & unique it is, I've been speaking Arabic since childhood & I still can't produce anything close to it, it was a challenge to the Arabs of back then & it is an open challenge till date to all mankind

However, it is not a book of science or biology

I've read about this particular discovery many years ago in one of the forward e-mails

It doesn't really matter what species are we talking about as long as certain mosquitoes do have the so called insect on their tops

and those things discovered 'recently' were already taught in classes some twenty years ago.. (the anasthetic, the compound eyes, symbiotic relationships etc)

Nothing changes dear even if it was being taught in classes some 200 years ago. The Holy Qur'an was sent down around 1,500 years ago. How would you explain mentioning of this scientific fact so long back?

Besides dear, this is not the first time, there are so many similar miracles in the Qur'an. So many verses that people couldn't truly and deeply understand, but only understood as Science progressed :)

Nothing changes dear even if it was being taught in classes some 200 years ago. The Holy Qur'an was sent down around 1,500 years ago. How would you explain mentioning of this scientific fact so long back?

Besides dear, this is not the first time, there are so many similar miracles in the Qur'an. So many verses that people couldn't truly and deeply understand, but only understood as Science progressed :)
i wasn't putting the koran in doubt and i am sure that divine revelation is there to be believed in total faith without any hesitation or doubt.

:rolleyes:

i was only playing down the big 'awe'. since not 'all' mosquitoes have a symbiotic thingy on their heads and not all of them suck blood, as stated in the first post. dear. :)

i was only playing down the big 'awe'. since not 'all' mosquitoes have a symbiotic thingy on their heads and not all of them suck blood, as stated in the first post. dear. :)

Alright, and I never assumed you thought otherwise :)

Anyhow, don't concentrate on the first post, concentrate of the holy verse in that post. The post neither mentions that ALL mosquitoes have that one their top nor talks about all of them sucking blood.

Whats is mentioned is clear and is yes another miracle of Holy Qur'an. If you understand that, nothing else matters!

AWE ( big one ) Sub7an Allaah . I've read about this miracle before and it's really interesting. Very detalied description 1.500 years ago which's just been discovered. And there are so many other miracles in the holy Quran make us believe in it and its creator more and more.Thanks for shariing clouds :)

Thanks for sharing the information dear. Not all species of mosquitoes have the characteristics our Creator used as an example to compare in the verse above, but many do. And for a believer, even one species of a mosquito would be enough :)

The problem is that the person who wrote this is claiming science, but they are not very scientific about it. I'm not disputing the Quran, I am disputing the "science" of the writer.

If its one species of Mosquito what is the scientific name?
If indeed it is a tiny insect (which is isn't - see below) what is its scientific name?

Also after a painstaking search I found this slide show. I don't know what it is the scanning electron microscope focuses in on but it isn't a tiny insect.
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h113/Mogget77/Snapshot2008-03-0209-12-47.jpg

Could be a speck of dust. Scanning electron microscopes can focus down to the cellular level, actually almost to an atomic level. IMO this is a load of crap.

Wow !

This is amazing./

Well you can discuss the scientific claims made by the writer for as long as you want, but thats not the thread about. But as I said earlier, since you all agree that this is in fact a miracle, thats good news al hamdulilah :)

As for those who insist to stick to their sick and blocked minds and hearts, Allah has described them in the same verse above:

"but as for those who disbelieve, they say: "What did Allâh intend by this parable?" By it He misleads many, and many He guides thereby. And He misleads thereby only those who are Al-Fâsiqûn (the rebellious, disobedient to Allâh)."

What is the miracle exactly?

Look the person who wrote this is clutching at straws. As far as I can tell that rectangular thing in the eye of the Mosquito doesn't even look organic, let alone an insect. And looking at the rest of the pictures in this slide show the eye is littered with microscopic crud.

Whilst looking up on this I read better arguments for a miracle in this verse because the word mosquito is in the feminine apparently.

and those things discovered 'recently' were already taught in classes some twenty years ago.. (the anasthetic, the compound eyes, symbiotic relationships etc)

What you wish to mean by recently.

Is that 20 years only.

If it is 500 years before, dose not make any difference.

It is a S-I-N-G.

Do you refute the sign?

i wasn't putting the koran in doubt and i am sure that divine revelation is there to be believed in total faith without any hesitation or doubt.

You are partially correct.
But the Holy Qur'an throw challege to find out a single mistake.
In God's word there can't be any mistake.

If God make mistake, at least to me, that is not Allah(swt) or GOD.

What is the miracle exactly?

Look the person who wrote this is clutching at straws. As far as I can tell that rectangular thing in the eye of the Mosquito doesn't even look organic, let alone an insect. And looking at the rest of the pictures in this slide show the eye is littered with microscopic crud.

Whilst looking up on this I read better arguments for a miracle in this verse because the word mosquito is in the feminine apparently.

You are so funny girl. Here take this:

In the Quran, 1500 years ago. It's said that this mosquito has another tiny mosquito on her back. No one noticed this till recently the science proved it right. .
Now you go and argue with the scientists who proved this right.

I just received this e-mail (Sorry its in arabic) and it fits this thread:


ثقافة تمرير رسائل البريد الإلكتروني

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته أخوتي في الله

كثيراً ما يصل إلى بريدك الإلكتروني رسائل دينية جميلة ، بعضها يحتوى على أذكار وأحاديث ، وبعضها يحتوى على معجزات علمية ، وبعضها يروّج لمواقع معينة ! . ورغبةً فى الثواب - ولأن الدال على الخير كفاعله - يقوم المسلم بحسن نية فور تسلمه لهذه الرسائل بتمريرها/أو عمل Transfer / Forward لها لكل من يعرفه . والمشكلة ليست فى تمرير الرسالة ، فنحن نحث كل من تصل له معلومة أو خاطرة أو موعظة جميلة أن يرسلها
ليتعظ بها غيره.
ولكن المشكلة في أن محتوى الرسالة أحياناً يكون غير صحيح ، ويحتوى على أخبار كاذبة أو على الأقل غير دقيقة ، وللأسف نقوم بحسن نية بتمرير الرسالة. وسأضرب لكم بعض الأمثلة لبعض الرسائل التي انتشرت حديثا :
- الكلام عن معجزة علمية هزت العلماء بأمريكا ، وقياس ذبذبات تصدر عن نباتات ونتج عنها لفظ الجلالة مرسوماً على شاشة الجهاز ، وهو خبر قام بعض الملحدين (عرب للأسف) بتأليفه فقط للسخرية من (المتاسلمين) على حد وصفهم ، وقاموا بوضع الخبر على أحد المنتديات الإسلامية وهم على ثقة من أن المسلمين سيقومون بنشرها بأنفسهم خلال كل المنتديات وعبر الإيميل ، وقد صدق ظنهم للأسف.
- الكلام عن أن فلاناً حلم بالرسول (صلى الله عليه و سلم) أو السيدة زينب أو ... أو..... ، وقيل له أن يقوم بعمل كذا وكذا ونشر كذا وكذا ، وأن من أرسل الرسالة رزقه الله وتزوج ، وأن من لم يرسلها افتقر و****************رت رجله .. الخ ، وهى قصة قديمة سمعناها منذ كنا أطفالاً ، وكل فترة نجد من يقوم بنشر هذا الحلم بين الناس طمعاً فى الرزق المذكور أو خوفاً من اللعنة ، و ما كان رسول الله (صلى الله عليه و سلم) ليؤذى أحدا ، والأمر كله لله ، والله هو الذي قال لنا في كتابه ((اليوم أتممت لكم دينكم )) ، فمن كتابه وسنة نبيه صلى الله عليه وسلم نستقى ديننا، لا من البدع والأوهام والخرافات.
- صورة غريبة لفتاة قيل أنها مُسخت ، ثم تبين أن الموضوع عبارة عن صور قامت فنانة بصنعها بالكمبيوتر . صورة قيل أنها بالقمر الصناعي لمكة والمدينة ويظهر بها الحرمان منيران في ظلام الليل ، وتبين عدم دقة الخبر.
هذه مجرد أمثلة ، وكلها يقوم المسلمون للأسف بتداولها بينهم وتسرى سريان النار فى الهشيم ، فمن المسئول عن نشرها غير من يريد كيداً للإسلام ؟؟؟
من يريد نشر المعلومات الخاطئة والبدع والخرافات بيننا؟
إنهم أعداؤنا ونحن نساعدهم بحسن نية للأسف .
فهم الرابحون سواء اكتشف المسلمون الخديعة أم لا ، إن لم يكتشفوها فقد أضيفت لهم بدعة في الدين ، وإن اكتشفوها فربما أدى تكرار خيبة الأمل التي تتبع الفرحة بالخبر المكذوب إلى شك المسلم في دينه والعياذ بالله.. في حين أن ديننا العظيم كامل بما فيه ولا يحتاج إلى هذه القصص الوهمية لنتثبت من أنه الحق من الله
وحتى لا نقع في هذا المحظور نرجو الآتي :
ألا يقوم المسلم بنقل أي خبر بدون وعي إلا بعد التثبت والتأكد منه ، ويمكن ذلك عن طريق مراجعة المواقع الإسلامية المحترمة مثل طريق الإسلام مثلاً
http://www.islamway.com
وكذلك اسلام أون لاين
www.islamonline.net
وبالنسبة للأحاديث ، يمكن مراجعتها من الموسوعة الحديثة بموقع الدرر السنية
http://www.dorar.net
وبالنسبة للمواضيع المتعلقة بالإعجاز العلمي ، يمكن مراجعة موقع دكتور زغلول النجار
http://www.elnaggarzr.com/Test_fre/index.asp
وكذلك موقع موسوعة الإعجاز العلمي
http://www.55a.net/firas/arabic/index.php
وعموماً هذه الصفحة تحوى العديد من المواقع الإسلامية العربية في شتى المجالات
http://www.sultan.org/a /
http://www.dorar. net/
و حذارِ يا أخوتي من الرسائل التي تصلكم وبها تحذير من مواقع معادية للإسلام وتدعوكم بنشر الإيميل لتحذير الغير منها!!! لأن ما يحدث عند إرسالك لها هو الع****************، ترويج لها وليس تحذير منها
برجاء قراءة المقال الآتي :
http://www.islamway .com/?iw_ s=Artic.. .w&article_id =82

كيف تعرف الحديث الصحيح من الحديث الضعيف وغيره

لنفترض أن شخصا أرسل لك هذا الحديث ، ولم يذكر في رسالته هل هو صحيح أم ضعيف ..
الحديث هو ( قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم : من لزم الإستغفار ج! عل الله له من كل هم فرجا ومن كل ضيق مخرجا ورزقه من حيث لا يحتسب )....!!

قبل أن تقوم بإعادة إرسال الرسالة بواسطة " Forward " إلى أصدقائك أحببت أن تعرف مدى صحة هذا الحديث من عدمه ........ فماذا تفعل :


أتبع الخطوات اللآتية :

أولا : قم بالدخول على الموقع التالي :

www.dorar.net

بعدها إضغط على : الموسوعة الحديثة

ستظهر لك صفحة الموسوعة الحديثة

قم بتعبئة الخانات كما هو موضح في الأسفل .... لا حظ أنه يمكنك أختيار المحدث أو الكتاب الذي تريد البحث فيه

والآن لاحظ درجة وصحة الحديث ....!!!

هذه أسهل طريقه لمعرفة الأحاديث الصحيحة من غيرها عن طريق الانترنت ..
وبعد هذا فإنه لا يُعذر أحد بإرسال أي حديث قبل التأكد من صحته . لأن هذا كلام رسو ل الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ..

إذا كنا نحن "ومن نحن" لا نرضى بأن يُنقل عنا الكذب..... فكيف نرضى به على
نبينا صلى الله عليه وأله وسلم ...


ولا تنسون أخيكم الفقير من دعوة بظهر الغيب وكذلك إخوانكم القائمين على موقع الدرر السنية على هذا الجهد الجبار. .

ومن أراد التوسع في تخريج الأحاديث فعليه بزيارة موقع أهل الحديث والذي يضم كوكبة من طلبة علم الحديث


والله الموفق.


اللهم ردنا لدينك ردا جميلا


We need to be careful before spreading any information especially if we relate it to the Quran. Quran is a miracle by itself, we dont need science discoveries to beleive so .. so why do we keep on relating it to science?

AWE ( big one ) Sub7an Allaah . I've read about this miracle before and it's really interesting. Very detalied description 1.500 years ago which's just been discovered. And there are so many other miracles in the holy Quran make us believe in it and its creator more and more.Thanks for shariing clouds :)


Yes, its another fantastic miracle indeed. I think El Ray hits the nail on the head with the 'very detailed description'. Is a SING indeed. ;)

I would propose a more reasonable explaination. The reference is to cover all the bases, and just explains that the application of the Quraanic parables is to all things, be they bigger than a mosquito, or even smaller than a mosquito.

It has got nothing at all to do with the science of mosquito parasites. Were I a believer, I'd think you were actually belittling the Quraan with 'faint praise'...

Yes it's detailed description. The Quran descriped it only in two words: فما فوقها
( and the one above it ). Before science says this in details, we didn't know what was the exact meaning of فما فوقها but now we know. And if you read the whole verse you can see the metaphor of it which is God knows everything no matter how tiny it's.

Yes it's detailed description. The Quran descriped it only in two words: فما فوقها
( and the one above it ). Before science says this in details, we didn't know what was the exact meaning of فما فوقها but now we know. And if you read the whole verse you can see the metaphor of it which is God knows everything no matter how tiny it's.

I dont know the interpretation of this verse, but I doubt it really meant this scientific evidence. The problem when we link science with Quran is that we create a space of doubt. Quran can be doubted (from a beleiver point of view) but Science can. Discoveries happen every day and sometimes it invalidates the previous discovries. let us not put Quran in that position esp. that Allah nor the Prophet :PBUH: did not.

I just received this e-mail (Sorry its in arabic) and it fits this thread:



We need to be careful before spreading any information especially if we relate it to the Quran. Quran is a miracle by itself, we dont need science discoveries to beleive so .. so why do we keep on relating it to science?
i am of the same opinion.
people who keep trying to 'prove' their beliefs are of low faith.
faith is believing in God without the need for proof or scientific formula.

You are so funny girl. Here take this:

In the Quran, 1500 years ago. It's said that this mosquito has another tiny mosquito on her back. No one noticed this till recently the science proved it right. .
Now you go and argue with the scientists who proved this right.

I can't even call this junk science. It isn't science. BTW the speck is on the eye.

The thing about science if a new species is found it is reported and published, sometimes it makes the news. I can't find anything from reputable sites.

The worlds smallest, known to science, insect is the fairy fly. It is 0.2mm long. It is still to big to fit on the eye of a mosquito (like the slide show claims).

I can't even call this junk science. It isn't science. BTW the speck is on the eye.

The thing about science if a new species is found it is reported and published, sometimes it makes the news. I can't find anything from reputable sites.

The worlds smallest, known to science, insect is the fairy fly. It is 0.2mm long. It is still to big to fit on the eye of a mosquito (like the slide show claims).

There are more.
The Qur’an is the miracles of miracle.

Please read the verses on Bee, Spider and Ants.
You will get answer.
Are you not the best judge to judge yourself?

Actually if you read the Tasfir on this verse it is talking about something completely different - ie, that God can use the smallest thing to make a parable.

But then, if you clutching at straws you'll take anything as a miracle.

God is not ashamed to strike, to make, a similitude (mathal: is the first direct object; mā either represents an indefinite noun described by what comes after it and constitutes a second direct object, meaning ‘whatever that similitude may be’; or it [the mā] is extra to emphasise the vileness [involved], so that what follows constitutes the second direct object); even of a gnat, (ba‘ūda is the singular of ba‘ūd), that is, small flies; or anything above it, that is, larger than it, so that this explanation is not affected [by the size of the creature] with regard to the judgement [God is making]; as for the believers, they know it, the similitude, is the truth, established and given in this instance, from their Lord; but as for disbelievers, they say, ‘What did God desire by this for a similitude?’ (mathalan is a specification, meaning, ‘by this similitude’; mā is an interrogative of rejection and is the subject; dhā means alladhī, whose relative clause contains its predicate, in other words, ‘what use is there in it?’). God then responds to them saying: Thereby, that is, by this similitude, He leads many astray, from the truth on account of their disbelieving in it, and thereby He guides many, believers on account of their belief in it; and thereby He leads none astray except the wicked, those that reject obedience to Him.

http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=74&tSoraNo=2&tAyahNo=26&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0

In addition, all the tranlations of this verse refer to something completely different.

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YUSUFALI: Allah disdains not to use the similitude of things, lowest as well as highest. Those who believe know that it is truth from their Lord; but those who reject Faith say: "What means Allah by this similitude?" By it He causes many to stray, and many He leads into the right path; but He causes not to stray, except those who forsake (the path),-
PICKTHAL: Lo! Allah disdaineth not to coin the similitude even of a gnat. Those who believe know that it is the truth from their Lord; but those who disbelieve say: What doth Allah wish (to teach) by such a similitude? He misleadeth many thereby, and He guideth many thereby; and He misleadeth thereby only miscreants;
SHAKIR: Surely Allah is not ashamed to set forth any parable-- (that of) a gnat or any thing above that; then as for those who believe, they know that it is the truth from their Lord, and as for those who disbelieve, they say: What is it that Allah means by this parable: He causes many to err by it and many He leads aright by it! but He does not cause to err by it (any) except the transgressors,

Yes Clouds, please continue to entertain us with some more miracles.

^I was about to say that.
Why is the very very very deep meaning of the verse ignored and we're searching for the probable, possible, arrangment of words that could lead to a desired meaning?

by wudjab
Yes Clouds, please continue to entertain us with some more miracles.

I will keep you updated with the latest miracles of the glorious Quran, may be eventually somehow somewhat somewhere you will find out that Islam is the ONLY RIGHT religion.

no life with despair
and no despair with life

by wudjab


I will keep you updated with the latest miracles of the glorious Quran, may be eventually somehow somewhat somewhere you will find out that Islam is the ONLY RIGHT religion.

no life with despair
and no despair with lifeGood because so far it's ...

mosquito =1 ... miracles =0

^I was about to say that.
Why is the very very very deep meaning of the verse ignored and we're searching for the probable, possible, arrangment of words that could lead to a desired meaning?

i agree..but if there was an insect on top of each mosquito and the 'above it' was referring to it, wouldn't it be interesting?

Originally Posted by Arabian Princess
We need to be careful before spreading any information especially if we relate it to the Quran. Quran is a miracle by itself, we dont need science discoveries to beleive so .. so why do we keep on relating it to science?

well said.
what makes you sure this was scientifically proven? ever thought this might be just another forward? :think:

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the microscopic picture is.. scary. *shivers*

Good because so far it's ...

mosquito =1 ... miracles =0

mosquito=1

above it=1

miracles=1


glory be to Allah swt

The miracle is that the translations can't even agree on the insect in question : some referring to the 'smallest thing', some to a 'gnat' , none to the mosquito.

But you are welcome to your miracles Clouds.

The miracle is that the translations can't even agree on the insect in question : some referring to the 'smallest thing', some to a 'gnat' , none to the mosquito.

But you are welcome to your miracles Clouds.

wudjab, that's why the Quran by it self is a miracle, there are scientific miracles between it's lines in every chapter, at that time translators could not figure out what is the actual meaning of "above it" so they tried their best to give their own explanation which is of course valid, but when scientist actually discovered that there is a microscopic insect living above the mosquito, thus the words in the verse "above it" become crystal clear with no shred of doubt.

it's the same of the other miracle of the ant crushing by Prophet Sulaiman, the word "crush" not "smash" as you would expect is used precisely by Allah swt in the Quran:

[27:18] Till, when they came to the valley of the ants, one of the ants said: "O ants! Enter your dwellings, lest Sulaimân (Solomon) and his hosts crush you, while they perceive not."

scientist recently discovered that there are GLASS particles in the body structure of the ant!!!

and when you step on the glass you crush it not smash it!!!!

translators of the Quran in the old days did not know that scientific fact so they gave their own translation to the best they can

Glory be to Allah swt...

glass? you mean chitin?

Talk about reading between the lines..

This is more like digging between the lines...

glass? you mean chitin?

minerva, what is chitin?

is it English or Maltese? *smile*

minerva, what is chitin?

is it English or Maltese? *smile*
sorry, it's an english word for the protein that covers the ant's body....hence making it rigid. ants, like other insects, have no bones but an exoskeleton, which protects the body. it's hardish and hence the 'crush' when an ant gets squashed.

Talk about reading between the lines..

This is more like digging between the lines...

this is the miracle of the Quran, Allah swt intended to embed different miracles between it's lines, so the challenge of it's authenticity and miracles will remain generation after generation till the end of time.

sorry, it's an english word for the protein that covers the ant's body....hence making it rigid. ants, like other insects, have no bones but an exoskeleton, which protects the body. it's hardish and hence the 'crush' when an ant gets squashed.

I am not an expert on ants body structure, but if you like to call it chitin not glass it's fine, but the fact remains that it has crushing properties which Allah swt described precisely in the Quran.

I am not an expert on ants body structure, but if you like to call it chitin not glass it's fine, but the fact remains that it has crushing properties which Allah swt described precisely in the Quran.
but honestly, does it take a revelation to notice that ants crush? any kid who's crushed an ant will realise that it's different from crushing something that's soft.

but honestly, does it take a revelation to notice that ants crush? any kid who's crushed an ant will realise that it's different from crushing something that's soft.

minerva, crush in Arabic means "hattam" and we arabs never use this term unless on something fragile, but who would think that ants have glass like material on their body, that's why the word "hattam" ie crush when used on ants become a miracle that Allah swt 1500 years ago told us in the Quran that ants body are fragile and the most appropriate word to use is "hattam" not squash, smash etc.

The problem with your miracles Clouds is that in order to make them a miracle we need to do the following :

Stand on your head.
Close one eye an squint thru the other
Hold your breath and begin an ancient vedic chant.

Then anything looks miraculous.

Anything that requires such physical and mental gymnastics to detect is not a miracle.

but when scientist actually discovered that there is a microscopic insect living above the mosquito,

But there isn't. Have you got me on ignore that you can't read my posts?

But there isn't. Have you got me on ignore that you can't read my posts?


can somebody help me to get the slide show in my last picture in my first post working to prove to miss Kara that there is actually a tiny insect living ABOVE the mosquito?

The problem with your miracles Clouds is that in order to make them a miracle we need to do the following :

Stand on your head.
Close one eye an squint thru the other
Hold your breath and begin an ancient vedic chant.

Then anything looks miraculous.

Anything that requires such physical and mental gymnastics to detect is not a miracle.

wudjab you are either blind you can't read my posts or you have deficiency in understanding or you are actually mentally retarded!!!

I suggest to go to your nearest physician to have an IQ test, and it will be great if you do ct scan or MRI on your brain to find out what is the problem.
plse keep us updated on those tests.

and I advice you to eat lots of peanuts this might improve your intelligence a bit.

regards.

Actually my brain is in fine working order, used to considering all pieces of evidence and then arriving at the logical conclusion.

But, if you consider that a sign of mental deficiency, you're welcome.

It's better to have independent thinking rather than be a brainwashed automaton who is gullible enough to believe every forwarded email miracle you receive.

Actually my brain is in fine working order, used to considering all pieces of evidence and then arriving at the logical conclusion.

But, if you consider that a sign of mental deficiency, you're welcome.

It's better to have independent thinking rather than be a brainwashed automaton who is gullible enough to believe every forwarded email miracle you receive.

so what do you say about those countless miracles from the glorious Quran, they are not from e-mails but real solid facts and mircacles:

http://www.elnaggarzr.com/en/index.php

First of all..

Apart from the pictures in your slide show, there is no scientific evidence that a insect lives on the head of a mosquito.

Real solid facts need real solid evidence.

And..

from the link above is another 'miracle'

"It is He Who sends down water (rain) from the sky,”

Do you mean that until the Quran said so, people didn't know that it rained ?

^^wudjab who send the rain down from the sky?

Allah swt in the end of surrah Luqman has challenged humanity till the end of time about those five miracles:

1-Allah swt has the knowledge of the hour ie. the time of the end of the world.

2-Allah swt send down the rain

3-Allah swt knows what inside the wombs (the fate of human beings)

4-no human soul knows what would happen tomorrow.

5-no human soul knows in which land it will die.

Where's the miracle ?

^^wudjab who send the rain down from the sky?

Allah swt in the end of surrah Luqman has challenged humanity till the end of time about those five miracles:

1-Allah swt has the knowledge of the hour ie. the time of the end of the world.

2-Allah swt send down the rain

3-Allah swt knows what inside the wombs (the fate of human beings)

4-no human soul knows what would happen tomorrow.

5-no human soul knows in which land it will die.If i can answer 4 out of 5 of these ... would i be a semi-god ... :rolleyes:

We studied about exoskeletons in school.
Nothing about glass-like properties...Which is kinda weird since we studied quite a lot about it.
Ah well, I guess I'll need to read further or something...

Clouds,

If my toaster made a piece of toast with an image on it that looked like the Prophet :PBUH: would that be another miracle, or a blaphemous toaster?

can somebody help me to get the slide show in my last picture in my first post working to prove to miss Kara that there is actually a tiny insect living ABOVE the mosquito?

I found the slide show. Look at my post #14. Is that not the last slide?

Below is the worlds KNOWN smallest insect, Dicopomorpha echmepterygis. Doesn't live on a mosquito. Its 139um in size.

That thing in the eye, (see post #14) given that the average facet diameter for a mosquito is 20um, would be about 2-5um.

http://www.cals.ncsu.edu/course/ent425/text01/smallest.html

Where's the miracle ?


the miracle is the CHALLANGE that Allah swt stated in these five things that no humans or jinnis could ever predict ie could you :

1-tell when is the end of the world?
2-send rain down?
3-tell the fate of people?
4-tell what would a soul gains tomorrow?
5-tell which land a soul will die in?

If i can answer 4 out of 5 of these ... would i be a semi-god ... :rolleyes:

are you challenging the almighty Allah swt?

I think this verse perfectly applies on you:

الانعام (آية:125): فمن يرد الله ان يهديه يشرح صدره للاسلام ومن يرد ان يضله يجعل صدره ضيقا حرجا كانما يصعد في السماء كذلك يجعل الله الرجس على الذين لا يؤمنون

[6:125] And whomsoever Allâh wills to guide, He opens his breast to Islâm; and whomsoever He wills to send astray, He makes his breast closed and constricted, as if he is climbing up to the sky. Thus Allâh puts the wrath on those who believe not.

by the way Jack and wudjab there is another miracle in this verse could you spot it? (I will give you a candy if you did)*smile*

I found the slide show. Look at my post #14. Is that not the last slide?

Below is the worlds KNOWN smallest insect, Dicopomorpha echmepterygis. Doesn't live on a mosquito. Its 139um in size.

That thing in the eye, (see post #14) given that the average facet diameter for a mosquito is 20um, would be about 2-5um.

http://www.cals.ncsu.edu/course/ent425/text01/smallest.html


the verse I quoted didn't say anything about the smallest insect in the world!!!

it merely stated that there is SOMETHING ABOVE the mosquito, what it is? how big it is? is it a living thing or not? this will be left to scientist to prove.

in your post#14 it shows clearly that there is an insect like species actually living ABOVE the mosquito, I doubt a lot it's a spec of dust as you said!!!

the verse I quoted didn't say anything about the smallest insect in the world!!!

it merely stated that there is SOMETHING ABOVE the mosquito, what it is? how big it is? is it a living thing or not? this will be left to scientist to prove.

in your post#14 it shows clearly that there is an insect like species actually living ABOVE the mosquito, I doubt a lot it's a spec of dust as you said!!!

The reason I mentioned the smallest insect in the world is to disprove that this thing sitting between the facets of a mosquito eye can't be an insect that is known to science.

According to the person who wrote this its already scientifically proven.

modern science prove that there is a very small insect living above or on top of each mosquito which can't be seen by naked eye but under the microscope.

And now I'm disproving.

Its not an insect. At best its a single celled organism e.g. bacteria (typical range of 1um to 5um) except they live in colonies, its too small to be a paramecium species and to large to be a virus.

Its a shame that the SEM doesn't magnify more, like I said these things can magnify down to almost an atomic level, it would probably make identification easier.

Conclusion is, science doesn't contradicts with the Quran.

the miracle is the CHALLANGE that Allah swt stated in these five things that no humans or jinnis could ever predict ie could you :

1-tell when is the end of the world?
2-send rain down?
3-tell the fate of people?
4-tell what would a soul gains tomorrow?
5-tell which land a soul will die in?



are you challenging the almighty Allah swt?

I think this verse perfectly applies on you:

الانعام (آية:125): فمن يرد الله ان يهديه يشرح صدره للاسلام ومن يرد ان يضله يجعل صدره ضيقا حرجا كانما يصعد في السماء كذلك يجعل الله الرجس على الذين لا يؤمنون

[6:125] And whomsoever Allâh wills to guide, He opens his breast to Islâm; and whomsoever He wills to send astray, He makes his breast closed and constricted, as if he is climbing up to the sky. Thus Allâh puts the wrath on those who believe not.

by the way Jack and wudjab there is another miracle in this verse could you spot it? (I will give you a candy if you did)*smile*

Lets try again.

What is the miracle in the verse referring to rain ?

Did people in ancient times not know that rain fell from the sky, thereby irrigating their crops ?

Or was it discovered for the first time when the Quranic verse was revealed ?

The verse means that Allah who send rains down, in other words no drop of rain will fell from the sky without Allah (swt) permission.

I hope it's clear now wudjab.

Where's the miracle ?

Call it a fact.

We are making progress.


At least you are no longer claiming that rain falling from the sky is a fact not previously know and that the Quran was the first to reveal this fact.

The Quran explains the water cycle in great detail.

Not really.

But it that rocks your boat, your welcome to it.

again asking wudjab and Jack where is the miracle in this verse?:

[6:125] And whomsoever Allâh wills to guide, He opens his breast to Islâm; and whomsoever He wills to send astray, He makes his breast closed and constricted, as if he is climbing up to the sky. Thus Allâh puts the wrath on those who believe not.

again asking wudjab and Jack where is the miracle in this verse?:

[6:125] And whomsoever Allâh wills to guide, He opens his breast to Islâm; and whomsoever He wills to send astray, He makes his breast closed and constricted, as if he is climbing up to the sky. Thus Allâh puts the wrath on those who believe not.

hmmm ... Allah decides who he will guide and who he will not.

Then puts the wrath of Allah on the ones HE decided not to guide?

Now that does not seem to be fair?

He makes all the decision and then condemns some of his decisions.

If he was perfect he would not make decisions that he would have the need to condemn later ... like the trinity ... eh cloudy !

hmmm ... Allah decides who he will guide and who he will not.

Then puts the wrath of Allah on the ones HE decided not to guide?

Now that does not seem to be fair?

He makes all the decision and then condemns some of his decisions.

If he was perfect he would not make decisions that he would have the need to condemn later ... like the trinity ... eh cloudy !


Allah swt is PERFECT whether you like it or not.

and I will not waste my time prooving this for you....

but why you escape answering the main question where is the miracle in that verse?

There is none.

Unless you are trying to tell us that no man ever climbed a mountain before and found the air became thinner and hence it was more difficult to breathe the higher you got.

It's a Miracle

^^wudjab, really you are very clever or very dumb the verse says clearly "as if he is climbing up the SKY" note the word SKY not mountain.

How our Prophet(peace be upon him) knew that fact if you travel up in the sky the oxygen becomes less and air pressure is reduced and breathing becomes hard?
unless it's a revelation from the almighty Allah swt who knows everything in this universe.

and that is another miracle of the glorious Quran.

ps. your youtube video is bad taste.

^^wudjab, really you are very clever or very dumb the verse says clearly "as if he is climbing up the SKY" note the word SKY not mountain.

How our Prophet(peace be upon him) knew that fact if you travel up in the sky the oxygen becomes less and air pressure is reduced and breathing becomes hard?
unless it's a revelation from the almighty Allah swt who knows everything in this universe.

and that is another miracle of the glorious Quran.

ps. your youtube video is bad taste.ewwww ewww eww ...

I know this one ...

He discovered this when riding that flying horse!

Clouds,

For every puzzle there is :

an obvious answer
a mysterious answer.

It seems you prefer the magical one.

PS : in the old days, when people climed a mountain they imagined they would reach the sky.

PPS : The video is not in bad taste. As a matter of fact, it's what I have in my car's cd player at present.

ewwww ewww eww ...

I know this one ...

He discovered this when riding that flying horse!

that verse was revealed to him BEFORE his miracle journey from mekah to Jerusalem "al Isra'a and Me'araj"

so you failed again Jack better luck next time.

and I will not waste my time prooving this for you...
It won't be wastage at all...I for one would be glad to hear the explanation from you! Your views interest me...
ewwww ewww eww ...
No comment.
Actually, one comment...Ever watched I Now Pronounce You Chuck And Larry?

LOL @ this forward

personally i think it's scandalous somebody looking for proof in a book that leads your faith. these so called miracles.
the book is a lifestyle handbook. tells you how to live to reach heaven. you believe in it either with the so called miracles or without them. you don't need searching for scientific phenomena in it.

^Very logical.
We believe in that whole-heartedly.
However, the Qura'n, to US is a miracle in itself. Prophet Mohammed's greatest miracle.

^Very logical.
We believe in that whole-heartedly.
However, the Qura'n, to US is a miracle in itself. Prophet Mohammed's greatest miracle.
exactly, and it should be taken as such. a miracle revealed to Mohammed by God himself, the book that will give you eternal life if followed with love. Anything else is superfluous, and it reduces the Holy book to a horoscope style book.