In the Stories of the Prophets by Ibn Katheer, is reported that scholars disagree on the nature of paradise in which he and Hawwa were when they sinned .
Many say is Jannatul Mawa but others argue that since Iblees was expelled from it when he refused to bow to Adam, he had to do his evil whispers in another place, probably another paradise created for them .
They further disagree on the location : it might be within the paradise itself or created on earth .
Any idea about it ?
I think to be understood it requires the exact knowledge of Arabic for the Quranic verses and the hadeeth , in particular when He says "Get out from here despised and expelled"
''Get down from here, it is not for you to be arrogant in it"
"Get out from it as you are rejected one"

Interesting concept. I know I should believe in the story of Adam and Eve but I don't. But I liked reading what you have here.

Amo if scholars differed on that issue who are we to have a saying on that?

what I believe is paradise was created since Adam and Eve were in it and it is the same paradise which is existing now and the same paradise where we hope and wish to end up in.

Amo…
Many of the verses talking about the description of the paradise and how things were, are not conclusively explained by the Quranic interpreter. The nature of the theme of debate is usually inessential to one’s faith and decision over the religion…people are debating on how big the paradise is? How big Balqees’s throne which is descried as “great” in the Quran? What was the tree Adam and Hawa ate from, was it apple? Who was Maryam’s sister…was it Elissabat “Elizabith”.
Many interpreters seek assistance from the biblical sources to these debates, they call these refrences “Al-Issraeliat” or the Israelites. They do that based on a hadith by the prophet that he wouldn’t deny anything from the bible as ling as it doesn’t conflict with an Islamic belief.
Some people try to search beyond the verse to theorize things…like there were people living before Adam and since the corrupted and shed blood, Allah exterminated them.

They base their argument on the verse:

وَإِذْ قَالَ رَبُّكَ لِلْمَلاَئِكَةِ إِنِّي جَاعِلٌ فِي الأَرْضِ خَلِيفَةً قَالُواْ أَتَجْعَلُ فِيهَا مَن يُفْسِدُ فِيهَا وَيَسْفِكُ الدِّمَاء وَنَحْنُ نُسَبِّحُ بِحَمْدِكَ وَنُقَدِّسُ لَكَ قَالَ إِنِّي أَعْلَمُ مَا لاَ تَعْلَمُونَ (

2:30 AND LO! [21] Thy Sustainer said unto the angels: "Behold, I am about to establish upon earth one who shall inherit it." [22] They said: "Wilt Thou place on it such as will spread corruption thereon and shed blood -whereas it is we who extol Thy limitless glory, and praise Thee, and hallow Thy name?" [God] answered: "Verily, I know that which you do not know."

How would angles know something called “corruption” and blood shedding before sin was first committed? Corruption and bloodshed should have been unbeknownst to the angles, who were sinless and being with God, if they never witnessed such sins.
This makes sense to me!

The same thing brings about the debate of the concept of “Earth”… so there was Earth….for who? What was on it?

I think these debates are endless…

I think if it is not very essential then I should not inspect for an exact answer and whatever theory we have, I would just take it as a possibility being it biblical or an extrapolation of a Muslim scholar.


P.S. The man on your avatar is a paragon of idiocy….:)!

How would angles know something called “corruption” and blood shedding before sin was first committed?
According to Qatada the angels knew it would happen, based on the actions of the jinns who existed before Adam : they used to shed blood 2000 years before but then Allah sent them away, on some distant island [by by Abdullah ibn Umar]
Another interesting thing am finding in this book is the different versions of a same hadith : for example when Adam knew Dawood, he asked for him 40 more years of life, so God cut these years from his own life
When the angel of death approached him, he was surprised that his time had come cause he had forgotten his committment toward Dawood and he denied him
In one version , death just takes him, in another God grants him more years
In both cases anyway prophet Muhammad :PBUH: commented "he was the first to deny"

Amo if scholars differed on that issue who are we to have a saying on that?

Lot of scholars is not reliable.
Lot of the scholars were paid by sultan, king , monarch to interpret verse in the name of tafsir that suit there purpose.
These scholars has a great contribution to divide /split ummah.
Better , apply your instinct , knowledge and conscious.
I personally refute many scholars opinion.
Rather I think , they were the paid agent of those rulers.
I am sorry if my comment hart anybody.
Ask yourself and you are the best judge.

Adam in Islam (Adam)

The Qur'an tells the story of Adam and Eve mainly in 2:30-39, 7:11-25, 15:26-44, 17:61-65, 20:115-124, 38:71-85. Eve is not mentioned by name in the Qur'an, but referred to as Adam's spouse; however, her name is given in Islamic tradition as Hawa, as in Hebrew.

While Adam is regarded as the first human in Islam, he is also seen as a prophet, in the sense that he was one of the people to whom God spoke. In the Qur'an, Allah (God) creates Adam of clay, and then told him "Be!" and he was. When God had announced his intention of creating Adam, the angels expressed dismay, asking why he would create a being that would do evil. But when He "taught Adam the names," they saw that he knew more than they, and learned from Adam.

When God orders the angels to bow to Adam, the jinn Iblis (approximately equivalent to Satan) refuses due to his pride and is summarily banished from the heavens. However, he promises God that he will lead as many humans astray as he can, to which God replies that those who will it will follow Satan, while those who will it will follow God.

Adam and Eve were sent to live in the Garden of Eden. They were allowed to live as they pleased there, but not to taste the fruit from a certain tree. However, they both eventually succumbed to the temptation of Satan, who promised them immortality if they ate from it, and ate; they then saw their nakedness and covered themselves with leaves. God punished them by sending them out into the earth amid mutual enmity, but then took mercy upon them; warning them not to follow Satan, he promised them that all would be well for those who followed God's guidance, while those who rejected it would suffer hellfire.

The Qur'an also describes the two sons of Adam (named Qabil and Habil in Islamic tradition, but not mentioned by name in the Qur'an) that correspond to Cain and Abel.

The First Woman According to Bible.



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In Genesis 3:20 we read, “And Adam called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.” In other words, all people other than Adam are descendants of Eve—she was the first woman.

Eve was made from Adam’s side (Genesis 2:21–24)—this was a unique event. In the New Testament, Jesus (Matthew 19:4-6) and Paul (Ephesians 5:31) use this historical and onetime event as the foundation for the marriage of one man and one woman.

Also, in Genesis 2:20, we are told that when Adam looked at the animals, he couldn’t find a mate—there was no one of his kind.

All this makes it obvious that there was only one woman, Adam’s wife, from the beginning. There could not have been a “race” of women.

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All came are the same origin.

According to Qatada the angels knew it would happen, based on the actions of the jinns who existed before Adam : they used to shed blood 2000 years before but then Allah sent them away, on some distant island [by by Abdullah ibn Umar]
Another interesting thing am finding in this book is the different versions of a same hadith : for example when Adam knew Dawood, he asked for him 40 more years of life, so God cut these years from his own life
When the angel of death approached him, he was surprised that his time had come cause he had forgotten his committment toward Dawood and he denied him
In one version , death just takes him, in another God grants him more years
In both cases anyway prophet Muhammad :PBUH: commented "he was the first to deny"

Thanks amo for clarifying! Intersting.

According to Qatada the angels knew it would happen, based on the actions of the jinns who existed before Adam : they used to shed blood 2000 years before but then Allah sent them away, on some distant island [by by Abdullah ibn Umar]
Another interesting thing am finding in this book is the different versions of a same hadith : for example when Adam knew Dawood, he asked for him 40 more years of life, so God cut these years from his own life
When the angel of death approached him, he was surprised that his time had come cause he had forgotten his committment toward Dawood and he denied him
In one version , death just takes him, in another God grants him more years
In both cases anyway prophet Muhammad :PBUH: commented "he was the first to deny"

so does that mean that there were a day of judgment before but just for jinns ? and Iblis (devil) was taken from earth to upper sky cause he was the chosen one at that time with pray and faith to god.

Does anyone here literally believe that the human race is descended from one man and woman? Meaning their children had to inbreed? And dinosaurs didn't exist? Lets have a show of hands, who believes.

thank you shai....

To be honest I don't. I believe in God having a hand in evolution but the creation of man and woman, culture, society, laws, mores, everything remotely related to human civilization and to the evolution of species is far too complicated to have begun from one man and one woman. If you look at the timeline of human beings and what it took to bring the numbers about to the time of Noah there would have to be allot of fornication going on with family members and we all know that incest brings out malformities in many different ways i.e. physical and mental. No, I think God had a hand in the begininng but He let nature takes it natural course and the fossil records prove this to me and to many other people.

Does anyone here literally believe that the human race is descended from one man and woman? Meaning their children had to inbreed?

You have no choice.

Idealism advocates religion.
So believer in religion believe God created every things.
Antithesis,
Materialism and further development , Dialectical Materialism.
They do not believe in existence of God.
Beside that you will get atheist.
So for the believer , Adam and Eve …………..